[00:11] <LinoSP> I have a Toshiba Satellite 1555CDS and a DWL-G650+ wifi (which is a pita) I cannot install any lubuntu version newer than 10.04 because of cmov boot fail and DWL-G650+ doesn't work with 10.04 any ideas?
[00:12] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry LinoSP I don't know anything about what your asking
[00:17] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: His processor was one that was taken out of the kernel
[00:23] <Unit193> "For very old hardware (10-15 years): As support for i586 chipsets (these include VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode) has been dropped from the kernel and GCC by ubuntu from the 10.10 series onwards, you will need to use the 10.04 release."
[00:28] <holstein> 10.04 is supported as long as 11.10 is :)
[00:28] <Unit193> Well..... In terms of Ubuntu kernel and security, sure
[00:32] <iceroot> holstein: lubuntu does not have lts, so the lxde-packages are not LTS (and imo on 10.04 lubuntu was not an official derivat)
[00:33] <holstein> sure... so maybe ubuntu 10.04 with LXDE?
[00:33] <iceroot> so lubuntu 10.04 is no longer supported and EOL (lxde packages)
[00:33] <holstein> that'll get kernel updates, and security updates
[00:33] <iceroot> sure
[00:34] <iceroot> but not the lxde-packages
[00:34] <holstein> i mean, other that suggesting another distro, or putting an older kernel in one of the newer versions
[00:34] <holstein> im just saying, not being able to install 11.10 is not the end of the world
[00:34] <iceroot> correct
[00:42] <Myrtti> this is the time when I always think that recommending Debian is in order
[00:43] <Unit193> That's an idea as long as he can install it, maybe #! would support it?
[00:43] <Myrtti> come April, that's what I'll install on my Viglen MPC-L which has i586
[00:43] <Myrtti> Debian that is
[00:45] <Unit193> Myrtti: Testing?
[00:45] <Myrtti> Unit193: naturally
[00:45] <Myrtti> :-P
[00:45] <Unit193> Nice
[00:45] <iceroot> hö? i586 no longer supported? just i686?
[00:46] <iceroot> or what is the main-topic?
[00:46] <Unit193> iceroot: Yeah, not in Ubuntu
[00:47] <iceroot> but the same debian-kernel-versions still support i586?
[00:49] <iceroot> or just because debian is not so fast with newer versions of a software so its still running on the stable-releases?
[01:04] <Myrtti> debian supports everything from toasters to supercomputers
[01:04] <MrChrisDruif> Just like Linux right?
[01:21] <iceroot> Myrtti: so just ubuntu is building the 32bit kernel on i686 cpus and enabled the optimizing for i686?
[01:21] <Unit193> Ubuntu is also going to remove the non-pae kernel
[01:22] <iceroot> thats bad
[01:22] <iceroot> because vbox is not using pae by default because vt-x is disabled, so you cant run ubuntu on vbox by default
[01:23] <Unit193> Quite a lot of old ones support it, check it yourself with   grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
[01:23] <Unit193> It's a simple check box in VBox
[01:23] <iceroot> Unit193: the cpus are not the problem but vbox
[01:23] <iceroot> Unit193: and not the default, which is important
[01:23] <Unit193> Not really, simple fix. But anyway....
[01:24] <iceroot> so by default ubuntu will not run on vbox
[01:24] <iceroot> its like "ubuntu will by default not run on pcs" only changing a simple option in the bios make ubuntu run on pcs
[01:25] <iceroot> i dont see one reason why we should support pae but ok, that is not my buisness
[01:25] <Unit193> No. This also isn't the place to complain abou it
[01:57] <doritoDan_> Can somebody help me?
[01:57] <doritoDan_> I downloaded an Ubuntu app and I can't seem to run the installer in lubuntu. :/
[01:57] <MrChrisDruif> doritoDan_; Long time no see
[01:57] <doritoDan_> Hi.
[01:58] <doritoDan_> Sorry, I don't remember talking to you. :X
[01:58] <MrChrisDruif> Did you download the right "version" ? Same architecture and release?
[01:58] <MrChrisDruif> It's been a long time I said ❡⢁)
[01:58] <doritoDan_> Hehe.
[01:58] <doritoDan_> Same architecture as what?
[01:58] <MrChrisDruif> 32 or 64 bit
[01:59] <Unit193> It's HIGHLY recommended to use the repo
[01:59] <MrChrisDruif> That too
[01:59] <MrChrisDruif> But still, it's awkward that it doesn't run
[02:02] <doritoDan_> Yeah it's the right architecture, MrChrisDruif .
[02:02] <doritoDan_> It's VMware Tools.
[02:03]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't have experience with that
[02:03]  * MrChrisDruif is also off to bed
[02:03] <doritoDan_> My virtualization software has copied the Ubuntu 64-bit version of VMware Tools onto my Lubuntu installation
[02:03] <doritoDan_> but nothing happens when i try to run the installer
[02:03] <doritoDan_> I just get a weird message
[02:04] <doritoDan_> Oh, nevermind.
[02:04] <doritoDan_> I was looking at the wrong error message.
[02:05] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe
[02:08] <Unit193> avelldiroll: Got a quick sec?
[02:09] <doritoDan_> Ah, got it running. Cool.
[02:38] <doritoDan_> Ugh, couldn't get VMware Tools to install properly. After a reboot the settings were gone again.
[02:38] <doritoDan_> And sound wasn't working either.
[02:39] <doritoDan_> Screw this. ._.
[03:07] <Unit193> Well, there's a funky looking person...
[05:33] <wxl> preferred vpn solution for lubuntu?
[05:33] <wxl> network-manager-openvpn?
[05:33] <wxl> and then just use nm-applet?
[08:47] <avelldiroll> Unit193: ?
[09:15] <smile> hi :)
[09:16] <smile> kvarley: hi :)
[09:24] <kvarley> smile: Hi
[09:25] <smile> kvarley: Lubuntu running fine? :)
[09:33] <kvarley> smile: Everything except a few minor glitches
[09:33] <kvarley> smile: But yeah, I can't complain
[09:33] <kvarley> smile: For yourself?
[09:35] <smile> kvarley: wine appears in my menu (while uninstalled) and sometimes the shutdown button disappears :p (but in LXDM i can shutdown my pc)
[09:35] <smile> so no big problems :)
[09:36] <kvarley> smile: There may be a stray package which is keeping wine in the menu. If you can't find it, use LXMenuEditor to hide it =] http://lxmed.sourceforge.net/
[09:36] <smile> kvarley: LXMed isn't working here. :(
[09:37] <kvarley> smile: Hhmmm
[09:37] <smile> And I did install openJDK :p
[09:37] <kvarley> smile: Not sure then
[09:37] <kvarley> Searched in synaptic in installed packages for wine ?
[09:37] <smile> kvarley: no synaptic here :D
[09:37] <smile> lxterminal :)
[09:38] <smile> finally. Firefox 9.0 in Ubuntu software sources :)
[09:39] <smile> brb :)
[09:40] <smile> back :)
[09:40] <smile> upgraded Firefox to version 9
[09:41] <smile> shutdown button is back :)
[10:07] <Gege71> hello
[11:46] <smile> bindi: hi! :)
[13:23] <nullaresnata> Good day all.
[13:24] <nullaresnata> situation: vertical lxpanel  problem: when placed on the left, there's an offset of 50pixels to the right of the panel where the menus appear.
[13:25] <nullaresnata> Any ideas on how to correct this?
[13:25] <nullaresnata> I'm on lubuntu oneiric
[13:28] <smile> nullaresnata: you did install software recently?
[13:29] <nullaresnata> Yes.
[13:29] <smile> nullaresnata: try logging off and logging in
[13:29] <nullaresnata> But I noticed this on tha fresh install.
[13:29] <smile> that may help
[13:29] <smile> nullaresnata: really? :|
[13:29] <nullaresnata> I have logged in and out lots of time.
[13:29] <smile> nullaresnata: than i don't know how to fix it.
[13:29] <nullaresnata> I'm trying all kinds of configurations.
[13:29] <smile> nullaresnata: good luck.
[13:30] <nullaresnata> The only way to make it look nice is to place it on the right, where doesn't occur any offset.
[13:30] <nullaresnata> But I want it on the left.
[13:30] <nullaresnata> :/
[13:32] <smile> :(
[13:37] <nullaresnata> Thanks anyway.
[14:08] <nullaresnata> A screenshot of the problem: http://i.imgur.com/3Y3hc.png
[14:27] <phillw> nullaresnata: I think you have made the strip too narrow, I'm guessing it was expecting a minimum width that would allow the time to be shown all on one line?
[14:37] <Neosano> lol, it still shows 11.11 version on the site :D :D
[14:39] <Neosano> and just wondering.. if we're talking about some ubuntu support, why can't they make just a little button pointing to lubuntu site in alternative downloads?
[14:43] <Myrtti> like they do for kubuntu and xubuntu?
[14:48] <Neosano> do they?
[14:49] <phillw> Neosano: I can't find my password to edit it :(
[14:50] <Neosano> phillw, :\
[14:50] <phillw> I'll email mario, ask him to correct it & re-issue a password to me.
[14:55] <Neosano> oh
[14:55] <Neosano> found a link
[14:55] <Neosano> miles away
[14:56] <Neosano> ubuntu.com/project/about ubuntu/derivatives
[14:56] <Neosano> oh, that's not a link
[14:56] <Neosano> just a path for the buttons ;)
[15:04] <Myrtti> Neosano: it was a joke of sorts, sorry
[16:25] <czz> Hello.
[16:25] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha
[16:26] <czz> MrChrisDruif, You currently live in Hawaii?
[16:26] <MrChrisDruif> Nope, sure want to ^_^
[16:29] <MrChrisDruif> czz; got an issue? If not we could go "offtopic" in #lubuntu-offtopic
[16:29] <czz> When i need to charge my laptop i plug in the power cord and in the bottom right portion of the taskbar it expands for about 2 seconds then goes back to its original size. After plugging in the power cord and unplugging it, the size of the taskbar starts to take up a large portion of the right and spaces out the currently opened icons.
[16:30] <Neosano> well, it's a known bug :\
[16:30] <czz> Neosano, Excellent, I just wanted to make sure. :)
[16:31] <Neosano> czz, but you should give the information about plugging in a power cord
[16:31] <czz> A known bug surfacing from 11.10 or earlier?
[16:31] <Neosano> czz, wait a second..
[16:31] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, that's abug
[16:33] <Neosano> czz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/846878
[16:35] <Neosano> czz, you can disable the icon or use "lxpanelctl restart" in terminal ;)
[16:38] <czz> Neosano, Thanks. I went ahead and disabled the battery icon, hopefully that will fix the issue.
[17:22] <czz> Neosano, How do i get the icon to show again? :)
[17:24] <Neosano> czz, in terminal: xfce4-power-manager-settings
[17:24] <czz> Neosano, Thanks
[19:50] <AmberJ> Hello
[19:51] <AmberJ> I don't know what causes this but this is pretty frequent and frustating...
[19:51] <AmberJ> Right now, if I minimise all programs, I don't get to see lubuntu desktop
[19:51] <AmberJ> Instead it seems that lubuntu desktop sort of hanged...
[19:52] <AmberJ> And, in 'top' pcmanfm is using over 90% of my CPU...
[19:52] <AmberJ> Yes, I have pcmanfm open ...but I was not doing anything inside it. It was idle when this happened.
[19:55] <AmberJ> Due to pcmanfm using >90% CPU, my PC is terribly slow
[19:56] <AmberJ> Ok, I closed pcmanfm...but due to it being tied to lubuntu-desktop (pcmanfm shows desktop items?), I can still not see the desktop
[19:57] <AmberJ> I closed pcmanfm by right clicking on pcmanfm's entry on lubuntu's "Task bar" and it took few minutes for pcmanfm to close from my "task bar"...but
[19:58] <AmberJ> + 'top' still shows pcmanfm running and consuming >90% of my CPU
[19:58] <AmberJ> I'm on 11.10 and I faced this many times on 11.04 as well...
[19:59] <AmberJ> The best solution seems to be to reboot the system, but I didn't rebooted this time to see if developers want some logs from me about this problem...
[20:04] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; ^
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> I'm sorry AmberJ , I don't remember who are the developers =(
[20:06] <AmberJ> Well, when I said "developers" it meant everyone (people like you as well) :)
[20:06] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, If you can tell me how to get some log files (that might be useful for devs) tell me. I can then probably mail it to devs (list?)
[20:07]  * MrChrisDruif isn't a developer ^_^
[20:07] <wxl> you cannot see the items on the desktop or the desktop is blank? can you see the panel? possible to get a screenshot?
[20:09] <AmberJ> just a min
[20:11] <AmberJ> wxl, I minimize all programs one by one....When I'm minimizing the "last open program" (and I expect to see my lubuntu desktop), I get this instead: http://i.imgur.com/pWJCl.png
[20:12] <AmberJ> That weird screenshot is shown until I maximise some program (on maximising any program, that program works just fine)
[20:13] <wxl> bizarre
[20:13] <wxl> just for grins try openbox --restart
[20:14] <AmberJ> 'openbox --restart' restarted openbox but pcmanfm still takes >90% of CPU (same problem...Lubuntu Desktop not showing)
[20:14] <AmberJ> Imho, this has todo with pcmanfm (rather than openbox/lxde)...
[20:15] <AmberJ> or maybe, pcmanfm+lubuntuDesktopIntegration combo
[20:16] <AmberJ> I don't know exactly how lubuntu/lxde shows Desktop icons...
[20:16] <czz> Amber Jain?
[20:16] <AmberJ> yes czz ...Why?
[20:17] <czz> 4chan will love this juicy information. :)
[20:18] <czz> I'm kidding...
[20:23] <wxl> sorry disappeared
[20:24] <wxl> what version of pcmanfm u have AmberJ ?
[20:24] <AmberJ> wxl, well, the one that came with lubuntu 11.10 (latest...did 'sudo apt-get upgrade' an hour ago)
[20:25] <AmberJ> I can't check because pcmanfm won't start right now...(because there's another pcmanfm eating my CPU in 'top')
[20:25] <wxl> try sudo apt-cache policy pcmanfm | grep -i installed
[20:25] <AmberJ> And, I'm not rebooting in case anyone wants some logs...
[20:25] <AmberJ> Installed: 0.9.9-0ubuntu1
[20:26] <wxl> you can also killall pcmanfm
[20:26] <wxl> that is the latest
[20:26] <wxl> weird
[20:27] <AmberJ> I'm not killing intentionally in case anyone wants "live" logs from problematic pcmanfm execution...
[20:27] <wxl> the logs will be there in any case
[20:28] <AmberJ> oh ok
[20:28] <AmberJ> 'sudo killall pcmanfm' failed to kill :D
[20:29] <AmberJ> Only 'sudo kill -9 PID' can kill it...
[20:29] <wxl> i didn't say sudo silly :D
[20:30] <AmberJ> Without sudo won't help as well...
[20:30] <AmberJ> still running :P
[20:31] <wxl> bizarre
[20:31] <wxl> even kill -9 no luck?
[20:31] <AmberJ> On a side note, what bad will 'sudo' do? Won't it work otherwise?
[20:31] <AmberJ> kill -9 did the trick. I just murdered 'pcmanfm' ;)
[20:32] <wxl> not usually
[20:32] <wxl> sometimes it will mess things up
[20:32] <wxl> but it's granting higher level access than is needed all the time
[20:32] <AmberJ> I don't do it with all apps :D
[20:32] <AmberJ> sudo firefox ;)
[20:32] <AmberJ> or, sudo pidgin :P
[20:38] <AmberJ> wxl, I just noticed this...After killing pcmanfm, I can minimize all programs to see my lubuntu desktop...
[20:38] <AmberJ> This was not same with 11.04. In 11.04, I had to reboot to bring my desktop back to normal
[20:45] <wxl> i think you should run ubuntu-bug pcmanfm
[21:22] <alkisg> Hi, will lubuntu 12.04 run in an old celeron @433, or it needs a more recent CPU with -pae enabled etc?
[21:22] <Unit193> That's being talked about, but 12.04 in some way should be able to run on computers without support for PAE
[21:23] <bioterror> try it out and tell us :-)
[21:23] <Unit193> 12.10 I don't think will
[21:23] <alkisg> Is the daily-live in a reasonable state, or should I download alpha-1 instead?
[21:25] <bioterror> last time I used 64bit daily live, I had this lightdm problem
[21:26] <alkisg> Hmmm thank you, I'll download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-i386.iso and try to work around any errors
[21:29] <alkisg> Btw for any people interested, I was able to boot lubuntu in recovery mode and startx afterwards, and that prevented most system services from running, resulting in about 50MB used memory with X and everything... very good for old computers with e.g. 128 MB RAM.
[21:32] <phillw> alkisg: you can see if you have pae support from terminal
[21:32] <phillw>  grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
[21:32] <phillw> it will return nothing if pae is not available.
[21:32] <alkisg> Thank you, let me boot that pc...
[21:42] <Neosano> alkisg, for me lubuntu is using less than 128 ram with normal booting :)
[21:43] <alkisg> Neosano: true, but I believe you don't have enough left to surf with
[21:44] <alkisg> While with more than 70MB free, one can also open a browser
[21:44] <Neosano> even if os used less than 0 mb memory it wont be possible to surf :(
[21:45] <alkisg> I've tested that configuration, I'm not talking theoretical
[21:45] <Neosano> but thanks for the trick ^^
[21:45] <alkisg> Of course I'm not talking about youtube either :)
[21:46] <Neosano> firefox is using 210 mb with 3 tabs opened
[21:46] <Neosano> one of them is youtube, yes
[21:46] <Neosano> but closing it wont help that much :\
[21:46] <alkisg> I was able to open 3 tabs with 128 RAM with no noticable problems
[22:07] <AmberJ> wxl, did 'ubuntu-bug pcmanfm'. Thanks.
[22:07] <AmberJ> wxl, Reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/913273
[22:24] <xsaidx> hello guys
[22:24] <xsaidx> anyone use git ?
[23:29] <durruti> hi, this is kind of a stupid question, but how do i change my background in lubuntu?
[23:31] <bioterror> durruti, like on mostly every os, you right click that desktop
[23:31] <durruti> yeah, i do and there's no option for it!
[23:34] <bioterror> durruti, really?
[23:34] <durruti> yes, im using lubuntu 11.10
[23:35] <eaburns> Hi
[23:35] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper
[23:35] <bioterror> durruti, ^^ that kind of problem?
[23:35] <durruti> yes bioterror, that kind
[23:35] <eaburns> Is there some way to configure lubuntu to run 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' upon login?
[23:36] <bioterror> eaburns, you can make xmodmap.desktop to your ~/.config/autostart/
[23:37] <eaburns> bioterror: is there some documentation for ~/.config/autostart or can I just dump shell scripts in there?
[23:37] <durruti> bioterror, i fixed it thanks
[23:39] <bioterror> eaburns, oh well, you can copy any file from /usr/share/applications/ to your ~/.config/autostart/ and edit it a little bit ;)
[23:40] <eaburns> bioterror: thanks
[23:40] <bioterror> and put correct exec=xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
[23:40] <bioterror> release your inner script kiddie ;)
[23:44] <eaburns> 'script kiddie'?
[23:45] <bioterror> yep, take something ready and modify it to suit your needs
[23:45] <eaburns> Anyway, it doesn't seem to work.
[23:46] <bioterror> check "Desktop Session Settings" from preferences that you have a tap there
[23:46] <eaburns> Well, I can get it to run other programs (for example 'xmessage HELLO' runs just fine)
[23:51] <bioterror> but do you need to specify that ~/.xmodmap for xmodmap?
[23:51] <bioterror> doesnt it read it by default?
[23:51] <eaburns> I use ~/.Xmodmap
[23:51] <eaburns> maybe I should make it lowercase
[23:52] <eaburns> There doesn't seem to be a standard name for it...
[23:52] <bioterror> .xmodmaprc
[23:52] <eaburns> Ideally it would find it by default
[23:52] <bioterror> that's said in manpages
[23:59] <eaburns> bioterror: well, it says a name *like* .xmodmaprc
[23:59] <eaburns> I have yet to use a distro that respects that name.  Ubuntu seems to detect .Xmodmap correctly