[00:00] <iceroot> hm, 12.04 is breaking very bad the last 2 days
[00:00] <nhaines> Works for me!  Except for synergyc.
[00:00] <iceroot> kernel-panics because of io.c errors, latest update wont install 3.2.0-8 correctly
[00:00] <nhaines> What's been causing problems on your machine?
[00:01] <nhaines> That's pretty bad!
[00:01] <iceroot> i thought proposed is some place to test installations first, how can an installation of a package break in the main-repos
[00:01] <iceroot> or does 12.04 not use proposed but uses main directly for new builds?
[00:02] <iceroot> ah, my fault. using it in a chroot without /proc/
[00:02] <iceroot> so of course the kernel-installation will break
[00:06] <nhaines> I dno't think 12.04 uses proposed.  Sometimes packages break because all dependencies are not fulfilled or built at the same time.
[00:08] <iceroot> great, system with broken io.c back again :)
[00:12] <iceroot> FYI: i someone is facing this (dist-upgrade 2 days before) http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/IMG_20120106_092740.jpg  chroot the system with a live-disc and run dist-upgrade or remove the *.dpkg-new files for upstart
[00:12] <iceroot> and i need to clean my screen...
[04:02] <alex_mayorga> iceroot: yt?
[07:57] <iceroot> alex_mayorga: ?
[13:36] <chmac> _jason: :-)
[13:36] <chmac> _jason: I figured because it's an LTS, the focus might be  on stability from now on, but maybe I want to check the release schedule
[13:37] <chmac> Ok, so feature / user interface freezes are in late Feb...
[13:37] <chmac> Debian import freeze in 5 days, whatever that means.
[13:37] <_jason> chmac: why do you want to use precise?
[13:38] <chmac> _jason: No pressing reason, I'm just lazy about updating, and so updating to oeneric in the middle of the cycle seems a bit like a waste of effort.
[13:38] <_jason> chmac: what version are you on now?
[13:39] <chmac> _jason: I could hold off for the final release of precise, it's not so far away, but I've been saying that since oeneric came out!
[13:39] <chmac> 11.04
[13:39] <_jason> chmac: to get to 12.04 you need to upgrade to 11.10 anyway (or do a fresh install)
[13:39] <chmac> I wouldn't upgrade to a normal release this early in the cycle, but I was thinking, with it being an LTS, maybe it'd be stable enough.
[13:39] <chmac> _jason: I could probably re-install, I usually do, have /home on a separate partition.
[13:40] <chmac> and I have a list of installed packages which I maintain pretty carefully, makes a big difference. :-)
[13:40] <_jason> chmac: why don't you just keep the 11.04 install as a backup and install 12.04 to a new partition then
[13:40] <chmac> _jason: Are you using precise?
[13:40] <_jason> chmac: nope
[13:40] <chmac> _jason: I use an encrypted lvm, and I'm on a 128gb ssd, so disk space is at a premium.
[13:40] <chmac> I already have a full backup of home on a separate /backup partition.
[13:41] <chmac> From Mark's blog "I upgraded my primary laptop to Precise yesterday. Very smoooooth!"
[13:41] <chmac> Got me thinking... :-)
[13:41] <_jason> chmac: I wouldn't recommend precise on a system that you plan to do actual work on unless you're prepared with backups and a backup system you can use if somethings stops working.  Of course, if you do want to use precise and report bugs, etc. that's great too
[13:42] <chmac> I do have pretty good backups, I've had to test them in the past when the alternate installer destroyed my encrypted disk without warning!
[13:42] <chmac> I suppose I could take a full copy of /boot and / to an external hd (ext4) and then restore if things go really awry
[13:43] <chmac> But downgrading /home could be problematic I suppose...
[13:43] <jtaylor> make an lvm snapshot of the old one
[13:44] <chmac> jtaylor: Can I push the lvm snapshot to an external device?
[13:44] <chmac> jtaylor: I'm not really familiar with lvm, I don't do much with it
[13:45] <chmac> ~1 hour to download precise, so I have a bit of time to decide... :-)
[13:45] <jtaylor> you can also just tar it and backup that
[13:45] <chmac> jtaylor: Yeah, that's what I was thinking
[13:46] <chmac> Not 100% sure how I'd get a working tar without the system running, but I'm sure the recovery mode could do that.
[13:46] <chmac> Rhythmbox is the default audio player in precise, I think that's swung it, I've resisted banshee for the longest time!
[13:46] <jtaylor> why would you need a non-running system?
[13:47] <jtaylor> with lvm snapshots you can freeze a state and backup that without any corruption by further use of the system
[13:48] <jtaylor> but a livecd would work too
[13:48] <chmac> jtaylor: Right, an lvm snapshot would have that advantage, whereas a tar would probably benefit from the system being off no?
[13:49] <chmac> None of the known bugs seem like they'd affect me (famous last words much!)
[13:50] <jtaylor> snapshots are there for live backups, you make a snapshot, tar the snapshot, backup the tar, disable the snapshot
[13:50] <chmac> jtaylor: Gotcha. I'll start reading up on that while precise downloads. :-)
[13:50] <jtaylor> leaving the snapshot on will cost you some performance (though its should be negiglble for desktop machines)
[13:51] <jtaylor> for proper fast incremental backups you need better filesystems like btrfs or zfs (see apt-clone)
[13:53] <chmac> jtaylor: I use rdiff-backup for /home, runs every hour from cron, and I push /home offsite every hour also.
[13:53] <jtaylor> http://xercestech.com/unbreakable-upgrades-zfs-and-apt-get.geek
[13:55] <chmac> jtaylor: Probably beyond my willingness to learn at the moment, but I'll have a look, thanks.
[13:55] <chmac> Any good resources on lvm snapshots?
[13:56] <jtaylor> if you already have rdiff backups leaning about lvm snapshots is probably overkill :)
[14:00] <chmac> jtaylor: Easiest option to backup / while the system is running though.
[14:36] <chmac> jtaylor: Ok, so creating an lvm snapshot will give me a second version of /, which I can mount in a different place, then take a tar backup, them delete the snapshot, is that right?
[14:36] <jtaylor> yes
[14:37] <chmac> Gotcha, now I understand what a snapshot is, makes perfect sense, thanks.
[15:09] <imgx64> How can I see the GRUB menu at startup? Is there some key I should hold?
[15:10] <penguin42> left shift
[15:12] <imgx64> Thanks, that worked.
[15:19] <imgx64> I'm running precise in a Virtualbox vm. When I use linux-virtual kernel, CDs refuse to automatically mount (but I can mount them with 'mount'), but they mount correctly when I use linux-generic kernel. What might be the problem?
[15:20] <imgx64> The error is: Error mounting: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[15:20] <imgx64> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail  or so
[15:21] <imgx64> And there is nothing extra in dmesg
[16:40] <munzir> Hi, $ apt-cache show kdepim-groupware |grep kubuntu-desktop
[16:40] <munzir> Task: kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, kubuntu-mobile-desktop, kubuntu-mobile-full, edubuntu-desktop-kde
[16:40] <munzir> but kdepim-groupware is not installed by default, why?
[16:45] <penguin42> you could try doing an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^ (or is the ^ at the other end?) to check that task is installed
[17:02] <munzir> penguin42: what does ^ mean?
[17:02] <munzir> penguin42: I tried to do apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[17:03] <penguin42> munzir: I think there is a special syntax for 'tasks' - I don't know the details
[17:05] <munzir> penguin42: Umm! I now tried to install kdepim-groupware manually and I got a clear message of
[17:05] <munzir> kdepim-groupware : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.95-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[17:05] <munzir> so it's a bug or intermediary state
[17:06] <penguin42> yeh sounds like a broken package
[17:06] <munzir> penguin42: and thanks for the ^ tip
[17:08] <munzir> penguin42: i couldn't find it in man apt-get so if you manage to find any doc or man for it, please refer me to it, it's new to me
[17:09] <munzir> also I tried to add a storage device to virt-manager and I got
[17:09] <munzir> Storage parameter error. 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'rfind'
[17:10] <penguin42> file bugs for them
[17:10] <munzir> so I guess virt-manager is broken too
[17:10] <munzir> penguin42: I will but if someone can confirm it here, it would be better
[17:10] <penguin42> hmm my machine with virt-manager on is doing an upgrade - and will be for a little while
[17:16] <munzir> apt-get update finish with this error: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out
[17:16] <munzir> Reading package lists... Done
[17:16] <munzir> W: GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192
[17:17] <munzir> any idea so I can file a package of bugs together ;)
[17:17] <munzir> the strange thing is I get it in one machine but not the other
[17:20] <munzir> Umm! may be this is because packagekit is replaced by muon and I should actually remove packagekit altogether?
[17:24] <munzir> just if some one can tell me when I upgrade my system, how can I tell it to remove packages which are replaced by better programs like the case now in packagekit and muon
[17:35] <imgx64> Every once in a while I get this error when doing 'apt-get update': W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://bh.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[17:35] <imgx64> I can fix it with apt-get clean or (if that doesn't work): apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True -o Acquire::BrokenProxy=True
[17:35] <penguin42> does that just mean that archive is a bit out of date?
[17:36] <imgx64> But I wonder if I can prevent it from happening..
[18:26] <alex_mayorga> does anyone have the bug on kernel failures without --no-log handy?
[18:32] <trism> alex_mayorga: http://pad.lv/912558
[19:14] <imgx64> Am I the only one getting these silly arrows in all menus: http://imagebin.org/192358 ?
[19:29]  * penguin42 hasn't seen those - but not updated for about a week - looks like it's trying to limit the height of the menu
[20:03] <penguin42> hmm, I wonder how I get konq to open pdf's in okular not rekonq
[20:10] <edgy> penguin42: I tried virt-manager in another machine and I am able to add storage so it's not a generic bug, I would appreciate any help or test so I can file a bug
[20:11] <penguin42> edgy: Ah right, sorry I forgot about that - now remind me, it was when you added storage? What type of storage?
[20:11] <edgy> penguin42: I tried virtio, scis, ide, ... all gave same error
[20:12] <penguin42> edgy: Ah OK, let me just understand - this is when you add a storage device to an existing VM?
[20:13] <edgy> penguin42: yes
[20:14] <penguin42> ok, I can try it - I seem to remember there are some logs in /var/log/libvirt
[20:14] <penguin42> edgy: Does the error happen when you add it or when you start the machine after adding it?
[20:14] <edgy> penguin42: when I add it
[20:16] <edgy> penguin42: http://static.inky.ws/image/1083/image.jpg
[20:17] <penguin42> edgy: If you create a new VM does it do it, or is it all VMs?
[20:18] <edgy> penguin42: let me try ...
[20:19] <penguin42> edgy: Also, check /var/log/libfvirt/libvirtd.log and /var/log/libvirt/qemu/whatever.log
[20:24] <edgy> penguin42: I just tried a new machine and it works properly.
[20:24] <edgy> penguin42: the log files contain no error when I try to add to an existing machine
[20:24] <penguin42> edgy: OK, so it suggests there is something it doesn't like with the existing machine
[20:25] <edgy> penguin42: yes
[20:26] <edgy> penguin42: but how can i trace it
[20:26] <penguin42> edgy: If you quit virt-manager, then you can run it from the command line in a terminal with virt-manager --no-fork --debug    and it might give some info
[20:27] <penguin42> edgy: If you report the bug, you could include the xml config file for that vm from /etc/libvirt/qemu
[20:38] <edgy> penguin42: http://pastebin.ca/2100855
[20:39] <penguin42> gah, update has broken Eclipse again
[20:40] <penguin42> edgy: Then do you get any more output when you try to add the device again
[20:41] <edgy> penguin42: no, no more output when I see the error
[20:41] <penguin42> edgy: Sorry, then I don't have any other ideas - best thing is to report it
[20:44] <edgy> penguin42: np, thanks for the help
[20:46] <penguin42> edgy: You could see if you hit the same problem using virsh - then you might be able to tell if it's just the GUI or the stuff underneath
[20:47] <penguin42> I don't know the magic to that
[20:47] <edgy> penguin42: I don't know how to add hardware via virsh but let me google that
[20:47] <penguin42> google knows everything :-)
[20:54] <edgy> virsh -c qemu:///system
[20:54] <edgy> virsh # connect precise
[20:54] <edgy> error: Failed to connect to the hypervisor
[20:54] <edgy> error: no connection driver available for No connection for URI precise
[20:57] <penguin42> restart libvirt ?
[21:00] <edgy> penguin42: yes I restarted and still same error
[21:08] <edgy> penguin42: I will try to trace this more tomorrow, thanks again for your hints
[21:08] <penguin42> np
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[23:23] <penguin42> Hey FM
[23:24] <FernandoMiguel> hey penguin42