| iceroot | hm, 12.04 is breaking very bad the last 2 days | 00:00 |
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| nhaines | Works for me! Except for synergyc. | 00:00 |
| iceroot | kernel-panics because of io.c errors, latest update wont install 3.2.0-8 correctly | 00:00 |
| nhaines | What's been causing problems on your machine? | 00:00 |
| nhaines | That's pretty bad! | 00:01 |
| iceroot | i thought proposed is some place to test installations first, how can an installation of a package break in the main-repos | 00:01 |
| iceroot | or does 12.04 not use proposed but uses main directly for new builds? | 00:01 |
| iceroot | ah, my fault. using it in a chroot without /proc/ | 00:02 |
| iceroot | so of course the kernel-installation will break | 00:02 |
| nhaines | I dno't think 12.04 uses proposed. Sometimes packages break because all dependencies are not fulfilled or built at the same time. | 00:06 |
| iceroot | great, system with broken io.c back again :) | 00:08 |
| iceroot | FYI: i someone is facing this (dist-upgrade 2 days before) http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/IMG_20120106_092740.jpg chroot the system with a live-disc and run dist-upgrade or remove the *.dpkg-new files for upstart | 00:12 |
| iceroot | and i need to clean my screen... | 00:12 |
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| alex_mayorga | iceroot: yt? | 04:02 |
| iceroot | alex_mayorga: ? | 07:57 |
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| chmac | _jason: :-) | 13:36 |
| chmac | _jason: I figured because it's an LTS, the focus might be on stability from now on, but maybe I want to check the release schedule | 13:36 |
| chmac | Ok, so feature / user interface freezes are in late Feb... | 13:37 |
| chmac | Debian import freeze in 5 days, whatever that means. | 13:37 |
| _jason | chmac: why do you want to use precise? | 13:37 |
| chmac | _jason: No pressing reason, I'm just lazy about updating, and so updating to oeneric in the middle of the cycle seems a bit like a waste of effort. | 13:38 |
| _jason | chmac: what version are you on now? | 13:38 |
| chmac | _jason: I could hold off for the final release of precise, it's not so far away, but I've been saying that since oeneric came out! | 13:39 |
| chmac | 11.04 | 13:39 |
| _jason | chmac: to get to 12.04 you need to upgrade to 11.10 anyway (or do a fresh install) | 13:39 |
| chmac | I wouldn't upgrade to a normal release this early in the cycle, but I was thinking, with it being an LTS, maybe it'd be stable enough. | 13:39 |
| chmac | _jason: I could probably re-install, I usually do, have /home on a separate partition. | 13:39 |
| chmac | and I have a list of installed packages which I maintain pretty carefully, makes a big difference. :-) | 13:40 |
| _jason | chmac: why don't you just keep the 11.04 install as a backup and install 12.04 to a new partition then | 13:40 |
| chmac | _jason: Are you using precise? | 13:40 |
| _jason | chmac: nope | 13:40 |
| chmac | _jason: I use an encrypted lvm, and I'm on a 128gb ssd, so disk space is at a premium. | 13:40 |
| chmac | I already have a full backup of home on a separate /backup partition. | 13:40 |
| chmac | From Mark's blog "I upgraded my primary laptop to Precise yesterday. Very smoooooth!" | 13:41 |
| chmac | Got me thinking... :-) | 13:41 |
| _jason | chmac: I wouldn't recommend precise on a system that you plan to do actual work on unless you're prepared with backups and a backup system you can use if somethings stops working. Of course, if you do want to use precise and report bugs, etc. that's great too | 13:41 |
| chmac | I do have pretty good backups, I've had to test them in the past when the alternate installer destroyed my encrypted disk without warning! | 13:42 |
| chmac | I suppose I could take a full copy of /boot and / to an external hd (ext4) and then restore if things go really awry | 13:42 |
| chmac | But downgrading /home could be problematic I suppose... | 13:43 |
| jtaylor | make an lvm snapshot of the old one | 13:43 |
| chmac | jtaylor: Can I push the lvm snapshot to an external device? | 13:44 |
| chmac | jtaylor: I'm not really familiar with lvm, I don't do much with it | 13:44 |
| chmac | ~1 hour to download precise, so I have a bit of time to decide... :-) | 13:45 |
| jtaylor | you can also just tar it and backup that | 13:45 |
| chmac | jtaylor: Yeah, that's what I was thinking | 13:45 |
| chmac | Not 100% sure how I'd get a working tar without the system running, but I'm sure the recovery mode could do that. | 13:46 |
| chmac | Rhythmbox is the default audio player in precise, I think that's swung it, I've resisted banshee for the longest time! | 13:46 |
| jtaylor | why would you need a non-running system? | 13:46 |
| jtaylor | with lvm snapshots you can freeze a state and backup that without any corruption by further use of the system | 13:47 |
| jtaylor | but a livecd would work too | 13:48 |
| chmac | jtaylor: Right, an lvm snapshot would have that advantage, whereas a tar would probably benefit from the system being off no? | 13:48 |
| chmac | None of the known bugs seem like they'd affect me (famous last words much!) | 13:49 |
| jtaylor | snapshots are there for live backups, you make a snapshot, tar the snapshot, backup the tar, disable the snapshot | 13:50 |
| chmac | jtaylor: Gotcha. I'll start reading up on that while precise downloads. :-) | 13:50 |
| jtaylor | leaving the snapshot on will cost you some performance (though its should be negiglble for desktop machines) | 13:50 |
| jtaylor | for proper fast incremental backups you need better filesystems like btrfs or zfs (see apt-clone) | 13:51 |
| chmac | jtaylor: I use rdiff-backup for /home, runs every hour from cron, and I push /home offsite every hour also. | 13:53 |
| jtaylor | http://xercestech.com/unbreakable-upgrades-zfs-and-apt-get.geek | 13:53 |
| chmac | jtaylor: Probably beyond my willingness to learn at the moment, but I'll have a look, thanks. | 13:55 |
| chmac | Any good resources on lvm snapshots? | 13:55 |
| jtaylor | if you already have rdiff backups leaning about lvm snapshots is probably overkill :) | 13:56 |
| chmac | jtaylor: Easiest option to backup / while the system is running though. | 14:00 |
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| chmac | jtaylor: Ok, so creating an lvm snapshot will give me a second version of /, which I can mount in a different place, then take a tar backup, them delete the snapshot, is that right? | 14:36 |
| jtaylor | yes | 14:36 |
| chmac | Gotcha, now I understand what a snapshot is, makes perfect sense, thanks. | 14:37 |
| imgx64 | How can I see the GRUB menu at startup? Is there some key I should hold? | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | left shift | 15:10 |
| imgx64 | Thanks, that worked. | 15:12 |
| imgx64 | I'm running precise in a Virtualbox vm. When I use linux-virtual kernel, CDs refuse to automatically mount (but I can mount them with 'mount'), but they mount correctly when I use linux-generic kernel. What might be the problem? | 15:19 |
| imgx64 | The error is: Error mounting: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only | 15:20 |
| imgx64 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so | 15:20 |
| imgx64 | And there is nothing extra in dmesg | 15:21 |
| munzir | Hi, $ apt-cache show kdepim-groupware |grep kubuntu-desktop | 16:40 |
| munzir | Task: kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, kubuntu-mobile-desktop, kubuntu-mobile-full, edubuntu-desktop-kde | 16:40 |
| munzir | but kdepim-groupware is not installed by default, why? | 16:40 |
| penguin42 | you could try doing an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^ (or is the ^ at the other end?) to check that task is installed | 16:45 |
| munzir | penguin42: what does ^ mean? | 17:02 |
| munzir | penguin42: I tried to do apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop | 17:02 |
| penguin42 | munzir: I think there is a special syntax for 'tasks' - I don't know the details | 17:03 |
| munzir | penguin42: Umm! I now tried to install kdepim-groupware manually and I got a clear message of | 17:05 |
| munzir | kdepim-groupware : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.95-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 17:05 |
| munzir | so it's a bug or intermediary state | 17:05 |
| penguin42 | yeh sounds like a broken package | 17:06 |
| munzir | penguin42: and thanks for the ^ tip | 17:06 |
| munzir | penguin42: i couldn't find it in man apt-get so if you manage to find any doc or man for it, please refer me to it, it's new to me | 17:08 |
| munzir | also I tried to add a storage device to virt-manager and I got | 17:09 |
| munzir | Storage parameter error. 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'rfind' | 17:09 |
| penguin42 | file bugs for them | 17:10 |
| munzir | so I guess virt-manager is broken too | 17:10 |
| munzir | penguin42: I will but if someone can confirm it here, it would be better | 17:10 |
| penguin42 | hmm my machine with virt-manager on is doing an upgrade - and will be for a little while | 17:10 |
| munzir | apt-get update finish with this error: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out | 17:16 |
| munzir | Reading package lists... Done | 17:16 |
| munzir | W: GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192 | 17:16 |
| munzir | any idea so I can file a package of bugs together ;) | 17:17 |
| munzir | the strange thing is I get it in one machine but not the other | 17:17 |
| munzir | Umm! may be this is because packagekit is replaced by muon and I should actually remove packagekit altogether? | 17:20 |
| munzir | just if some one can tell me when I upgrade my system, how can I tell it to remove packages which are replaced by better programs like the case now in packagekit and muon | 17:24 |
| imgx64 | Every once in a while I get this error when doing 'apt-get update': W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://bh.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> | 17:35 |
| imgx64 | I can fix it with apt-get clean or (if that doesn't work): apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True -o Acquire::BrokenProxy=True | 17:35 |
| penguin42 | does that just mean that archive is a bit out of date? | 17:35 |
| imgx64 | But I wonder if I can prevent it from happening.. | 17:36 |
| alex_mayorga | does anyone have the bug on kernel failures without --no-log handy? | 18:26 |
| trism | alex_mayorga: http://pad.lv/912558 | 18:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 912558 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "log.c Assert failed - err=>number == EIO" [High,Confirmed] | 18:32 |
| imgx64 | Am I the only one getting these silly arrows in all menus: http://imagebin.org/192358 ? | 19:14 |
| * penguin42 hasn't seen those - but not updated for about a week - looks like it's trying to limit the height of the menu | 19:29 | |
| penguin42 | hmm, I wonder how I get konq to open pdf's in okular not rekonq | 20:03 |
| edgy | penguin42: I tried virt-manager in another machine and I am able to add storage so it's not a generic bug, I would appreciate any help or test so I can file a bug | 20:10 |
| penguin42 | edgy: Ah right, sorry I forgot about that - now remind me, it was when you added storage? What type of storage? | 20:11 |
| edgy | penguin42: I tried virtio, scis, ide, ... all gave same error | 20:11 |
| penguin42 | edgy: Ah OK, let me just understand - this is when you add a storage device to an existing VM? | 20:12 |
| edgy | penguin42: yes | 20:13 |
| penguin42 | ok, I can try it - I seem to remember there are some logs in /var/log/libvirt | 20:14 |
| penguin42 | edgy: Does the error happen when you add it or when you start the machine after adding it? | 20:14 |
| edgy | penguin42: when I add it | 20:14 |
| edgy | penguin42: http://static.inky.ws/image/1083/image.jpg | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | edgy: If you create a new VM does it do it, or is it all VMs? | 20:17 |
| edgy | penguin42: let me try ... | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | edgy: Also, check /var/log/libfvirt/libvirtd.log and /var/log/libvirt/qemu/whatever.log | 20:19 |
| edgy | penguin42: I just tried a new machine and it works properly. | 20:24 |
| edgy | penguin42: the log files contain no error when I try to add to an existing machine | 20:24 |
| penguin42 | edgy: OK, so it suggests there is something it doesn't like with the existing machine | 20:24 |
| edgy | penguin42: yes | 20:25 |
| edgy | penguin42: but how can i trace it | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | edgy: If you quit virt-manager, then you can run it from the command line in a terminal with virt-manager --no-fork --debug and it might give some info | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | edgy: If you report the bug, you could include the xml config file for that vm from /etc/libvirt/qemu | 20:27 |
| edgy | penguin42: http://pastebin.ca/2100855 | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | gah, update has broken Eclipse again | 20:39 |
| penguin42 | edgy: Then do you get any more output when you try to add the device again | 20:40 |
| edgy | penguin42: no, no more output when I see the error | 20:41 |
| penguin42 | edgy: Sorry, then I don't have any other ideas - best thing is to report it | 20:41 |
| edgy | penguin42: np, thanks for the help | 20:44 |
| penguin42 | edgy: You could see if you hit the same problem using virsh - then you might be able to tell if it's just the GUI or the stuff underneath | 20:46 |
| penguin42 | I don't know the magic to that | 20:47 |
| edgy | penguin42: I don't know how to add hardware via virsh but let me google that | 20:47 |
| penguin42 | google knows everything :-) | 20:47 |
| edgy | virsh -c qemu:///system | 20:54 |
| edgy | virsh # connect precise | 20:54 |
| edgy | error: Failed to connect to the hypervisor | 20:54 |
| edgy | error: no connection driver available for No connection for URI precise | 20:54 |
| penguin42 | restart libvirt ? | 20:57 |
| edgy | penguin42: yes I restarted and still same error | 21:00 |
| edgy | penguin42: I will try to trace this more tomorrow, thanks again for your hints | 21:08 |
| penguin42 | np | 21:08 |
| FernandoMiguel | evening | 22:12 |
| penguin42 | Hey FM | 23:23 |
| FernandoMiguel | hey penguin42 | 23:24 |
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