[00:00] hm, 12.04 is breaking very bad the last 2 days [00:00] Works for me! Except for synergyc. [00:00] kernel-panics because of io.c errors, latest update wont install 3.2.0-8 correctly [00:00] What's been causing problems on your machine? [00:01] That's pretty bad! [00:01] i thought proposed is some place to test installations first, how can an installation of a package break in the main-repos [00:01] or does 12.04 not use proposed but uses main directly for new builds? [00:02] ah, my fault. using it in a chroot without /proc/ [00:02] so of course the kernel-installation will break [00:06] I dno't think 12.04 uses proposed. Sometimes packages break because all dependencies are not fulfilled or built at the same time. [00:08] great, system with broken io.c back again :) [00:12] FYI: i someone is facing this (dist-upgrade 2 days before) http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/IMG_20120106_092740.jpg chroot the system with a live-disc and run dist-upgrade or remove the *.dpkg-new files for upstart [00:12] and i need to clean my screen... === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [04:02] iceroot: yt? [07:57] alex_mayorga: ? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:36] _jason: :-) [13:36] _jason: I figured because it's an LTS, the focus might be on stability from now on, but maybe I want to check the release schedule [13:37] Ok, so feature / user interface freezes are in late Feb... [13:37] Debian import freeze in 5 days, whatever that means. [13:37] <_jason> chmac: why do you want to use precise? [13:38] _jason: No pressing reason, I'm just lazy about updating, and so updating to oeneric in the middle of the cycle seems a bit like a waste of effort. [13:38] <_jason> chmac: what version are you on now? [13:39] _jason: I could hold off for the final release of precise, it's not so far away, but I've been saying that since oeneric came out! [13:39] 11.04 [13:39] <_jason> chmac: to get to 12.04 you need to upgrade to 11.10 anyway (or do a fresh install) [13:39] I wouldn't upgrade to a normal release this early in the cycle, but I was thinking, with it being an LTS, maybe it'd be stable enough. [13:39] _jason: I could probably re-install, I usually do, have /home on a separate partition. [13:40] and I have a list of installed packages which I maintain pretty carefully, makes a big difference. :-) [13:40] <_jason> chmac: why don't you just keep the 11.04 install as a backup and install 12.04 to a new partition then [13:40] _jason: Are you using precise? [13:40] <_jason> chmac: nope [13:40] _jason: I use an encrypted lvm, and I'm on a 128gb ssd, so disk space is at a premium. [13:40] I already have a full backup of home on a separate /backup partition. [13:41] From Mark's blog "I upgraded my primary laptop to Precise yesterday. Very smoooooth!" [13:41] Got me thinking... :-) [13:41] <_jason> chmac: I wouldn't recommend precise on a system that you plan to do actual work on unless you're prepared with backups and a backup system you can use if somethings stops working. Of course, if you do want to use precise and report bugs, etc. that's great too [13:42] I do have pretty good backups, I've had to test them in the past when the alternate installer destroyed my encrypted disk without warning! [13:42] I suppose I could take a full copy of /boot and / to an external hd (ext4) and then restore if things go really awry [13:43] But downgrading /home could be problematic I suppose... [13:43] make an lvm snapshot of the old one [13:44] jtaylor: Can I push the lvm snapshot to an external device? [13:44] jtaylor: I'm not really familiar with lvm, I don't do much with it [13:45] ~1 hour to download precise, so I have a bit of time to decide... :-) [13:45] you can also just tar it and backup that [13:45] jtaylor: Yeah, that's what I was thinking [13:46] Not 100% sure how I'd get a working tar without the system running, but I'm sure the recovery mode could do that. [13:46] Rhythmbox is the default audio player in precise, I think that's swung it, I've resisted banshee for the longest time! [13:46] why would you need a non-running system? [13:47] with lvm snapshots you can freeze a state and backup that without any corruption by further use of the system [13:48] but a livecd would work too [13:48] jtaylor: Right, an lvm snapshot would have that advantage, whereas a tar would probably benefit from the system being off no? [13:49] None of the known bugs seem like they'd affect me (famous last words much!) [13:50] snapshots are there for live backups, you make a snapshot, tar the snapshot, backup the tar, disable the snapshot [13:50] jtaylor: Gotcha. I'll start reading up on that while precise downloads. :-) [13:50] leaving the snapshot on will cost you some performance (though its should be negiglble for desktop machines) [13:51] for proper fast incremental backups you need better filesystems like btrfs or zfs (see apt-clone) [13:53] jtaylor: I use rdiff-backup for /home, runs every hour from cron, and I push /home offsite every hour also. [13:53] http://xercestech.com/unbreakable-upgrades-zfs-and-apt-get.geek [13:55] jtaylor: Probably beyond my willingness to learn at the moment, but I'll have a look, thanks. [13:55] Any good resources on lvm snapshots? [13:56] if you already have rdiff backups leaning about lvm snapshots is probably overkill :) [14:00] jtaylor: Easiest option to backup / while the system is running though. === Stanley001 is now known as Stanley00 [14:36] jtaylor: Ok, so creating an lvm snapshot will give me a second version of /, which I can mount in a different place, then take a tar backup, them delete the snapshot, is that right? [14:36] yes [14:37] Gotcha, now I understand what a snapshot is, makes perfect sense, thanks. [15:09] How can I see the GRUB menu at startup? Is there some key I should hold? [15:10] left shift [15:12] Thanks, that worked. [15:19] I'm running precise in a Virtualbox vm. When I use linux-virtual kernel, CDs refuse to automatically mount (but I can mount them with 'mount'), but they mount correctly when I use linux-generic kernel. What might be the problem? [15:20] The error is: Error mounting: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only [15:20] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so [15:21] And there is nothing extra in dmesg [16:40] Hi, $ apt-cache show kdepim-groupware |grep kubuntu-desktop [16:40] Task: kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, kubuntu-mobile-desktop, kubuntu-mobile-full, edubuntu-desktop-kde [16:40] but kdepim-groupware is not installed by default, why? [16:45] you could try doing an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^ (or is the ^ at the other end?) to check that task is installed [17:02] penguin42: what does ^ mean? [17:02] penguin42: I tried to do apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop [17:03] munzir: I think there is a special syntax for 'tasks' - I don't know the details [17:05] penguin42: Umm! I now tried to install kdepim-groupware manually and I got a clear message of [17:05] kdepim-groupware : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.95-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [17:05] so it's a bug or intermediary state [17:06] yeh sounds like a broken package [17:06] penguin42: and thanks for the ^ tip [17:08] penguin42: i couldn't find it in man apt-get so if you manage to find any doc or man for it, please refer me to it, it's new to me [17:09] also I tried to add a storage device to virt-manager and I got [17:09] Storage parameter error. 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'rfind' [17:10] file bugs for them [17:10] so I guess virt-manager is broken too [17:10] penguin42: I will but if someone can confirm it here, it would be better [17:10] hmm my machine with virt-manager on is doing an upgrade - and will be for a little while [17:16] apt-get update finish with this error: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out [17:16] Reading package lists... Done [17:16] W: GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192 [17:17] any idea so I can file a package of bugs together ;) [17:17] the strange thing is I get it in one machine but not the other [17:20] Umm! may be this is because packagekit is replaced by muon and I should actually remove packagekit altogether? [17:24] just if some one can tell me when I upgrade my system, how can I tell it to remove packages which are replaced by better programs like the case now in packagekit and muon [17:35] Every once in a while I get this error when doing 'apt-get update': W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://bh.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [17:35] I can fix it with apt-get clean or (if that doesn't work): apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True -o Acquire::BrokenProxy=True [17:35] does that just mean that archive is a bit out of date? [17:36] But I wonder if I can prevent it from happening.. [18:26] does anyone have the bug on kernel failures without --no-log handy? [18:32] alex_mayorga: http://pad.lv/912558 [18:32] Launchpad bug 912558 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "log.c Assert failed - err=>number == EIO" [High,Confirmed] [19:14] Am I the only one getting these silly arrows in all menus: http://imagebin.org/192358 ? [19:29] * penguin42 hasn't seen those - but not updated for about a week - looks like it's trying to limit the height of the menu [20:03] hmm, I wonder how I get konq to open pdf's in okular not rekonq [20:10] penguin42: I tried virt-manager in another machine and I am able to add storage so it's not a generic bug, I would appreciate any help or test so I can file a bug [20:11] edgy: Ah right, sorry I forgot about that - now remind me, it was when you added storage? What type of storage? [20:11] penguin42: I tried virtio, scis, ide, ... all gave same error [20:12] edgy: Ah OK, let me just understand - this is when you add a storage device to an existing VM? [20:13] penguin42: yes [20:14] ok, I can try it - I seem to remember there are some logs in /var/log/libvirt [20:14] edgy: Does the error happen when you add it or when you start the machine after adding it? [20:14] penguin42: when I add it [20:16] penguin42: http://static.inky.ws/image/1083/image.jpg [20:17] edgy: If you create a new VM does it do it, or is it all VMs? [20:18] penguin42: let me try ... [20:19] edgy: Also, check /var/log/libfvirt/libvirtd.log and /var/log/libvirt/qemu/whatever.log [20:24] penguin42: I just tried a new machine and it works properly. [20:24] penguin42: the log files contain no error when I try to add to an existing machine [20:24] edgy: OK, so it suggests there is something it doesn't like with the existing machine [20:25] penguin42: yes [20:26] penguin42: but how can i trace it [20:26] edgy: If you quit virt-manager, then you can run it from the command line in a terminal with virt-manager --no-fork --debug and it might give some info [20:27] edgy: If you report the bug, you could include the xml config file for that vm from /etc/libvirt/qemu [20:38] penguin42: http://pastebin.ca/2100855 [20:39] gah, update has broken Eclipse again [20:40] edgy: Then do you get any more output when you try to add the device again [20:41] penguin42: no, no more output when I see the error [20:41] edgy: Sorry, then I don't have any other ideas - best thing is to report it [20:44] penguin42: np, thanks for the help [20:46] edgy: You could see if you hit the same problem using virsh - then you might be able to tell if it's just the GUI or the stuff underneath [20:47] I don't know the magic to that [20:47] penguin42: I don't know how to add hardware via virsh but let me google that [20:47] google knows everything :-) [20:54] virsh -c qemu:///system [20:54] virsh # connect precise [20:54] error: Failed to connect to the hypervisor [20:54] error: no connection driver available for No connection for URI precise [20:57] restart libvirt ? [21:00] penguin42: yes I restarted and still same error [21:08] penguin42: I will try to trace this more tomorrow, thanks again for your hints [21:08] np [22:12] evening [23:23] Hey FM [23:24] hey penguin42