[00:00] <Psi-Jack> And, we're live again.
[00:00] <Psi-Jack> Finally, sheash. ;)
[00:01] <ikonia> I half want it to break again so we can work it through
[00:01] <Psi-Jack> Swap was 100% ejected by that whole thing.
[00:01] <Psi-Jack> It might, I hope not, but it might still.
[00:01] <ikonia> I don't actually want it to break really, just nice to do something interesting for a change
[00:02] <Psi-Jack> I did the updates today at 3am, so it took around 13-14 hours to get that way.
[00:02] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: porting the shite to psql will probably be better
[00:02] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: Yeah. Good luck convincing R&D that/. ;)
[00:02] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: not my job, just saying it ...
[00:02] <Psi-Jack> Oh, i know.
[00:02] <Psi-Jack> And there's tools to do it. :)
[00:03] <ikonia> RoyK: easy on the language please,
[00:03] <Psi-Jack> I'm hoping it was just a mysql bug that was fixed by that update.
[00:03] <RoyK> yeah, and memory tuning psql is such a stroll in the park
[00:03] <Psi-Jack> Memory at the moment is maintaining solid right now.
[00:03] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: Indeed. :)
[00:03] <RoyK> ikonia: what?
[00:03] <ikonia> RoyK: no need for the swearing, please try not to
[00:03] <eagles0513875> gd luck Psi-Jack :D
[00:03] <RoyK> ikonia: what?
[00:04] <Psi-Jack> heh
[00:04] <ikonia> RoyK: "shite"
[00:04] <ikonia> please don't use it
[00:04] <ikonia> Psi-Jack: throws my broken index theory out of the window too
[00:04] <eagles0513875> O_o
[00:04] <RoyK> ikonia: what?
[00:05] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[00:05] <ikonia> RoyK: please don't be silly, I've asked you clearly to respect the rules of the channels in the ubuntu name space
[00:05] <Psi-Jack> About to put up a screenshot of the memory utilization chart since the update till just now.
[00:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[00:05] <Psi-Jack> What's a good simple photobucket?
[00:06] <RoyK> ikonia: I know there are certain rules written by a set of homegrown religious fundamentalists, rules that belong in various churches and so on, but not, I repeat NOT, on IRC or in the real world elsewhere
[00:06] <ikonia> RoyK: the rules of the ubuntu channel is no swearing, I've made a polite request 3 times for you to follow those rules
[00:06] <ikonia> !guidelines > RoyK
[00:07] <ikonia> RoyK: please check the url ubottu has sent you
[00:07] <RoyK> ikonia: shut up, please
[00:07] <ikonia> RoyK: sorry, that's not going to cut it, if you can't be polite to people and follow the no swearing rules, that in unacceptable
[00:08] <RoyK> ikonia: can you please stop the offtopic talk in here? we're trying to talk about things on topic, stuff like ubuntu server. this isn't a language channel, you know
[00:09] <Psi-Jack> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2dotv6&s=5
[00:09] <Psi-Jack> There's the Zabbix monitor for memory utilization.
[00:09] <ikonia> RoyK: if you want to behave like this just because I asked you to not swear - that is your issues and I'll deal with it
[00:09] <RoyK> or did someone promote you to be a anti-swearing-guardian to help salvage the world from evil people like me?
[00:09] <RoyK> we have bots for that sort of jobs, you know
[00:09] <ikonia> if you can't follow a simple request to not swear in the channel or be polite to people you will not be welcome in the channel until you can do so
[00:09] <ikonia> !language | RoyK
[00:10] <ikonia> RoyK: there the bot has told you not to swear rather then me, so if you could please comply not that would be great
[00:10] <RoyK> ikonia: please stay on topic. computer professionals are known throughout the world to use their language like anyone else
[00:10] <ikonia> RoyK: I'll explain one more time
[00:11] <RoyK> no need to
[00:11] <ikonia> RoyK: the ubuntu channels has no swearing policy - if you can't follow that, you are not welcome
[00:11] <ikonia> if you can, that is great.
[00:11] <RoyK> I haven't uttered a single bad word after the initial word for which you started flaming me
[00:12] <ikonia> RoyK: totally, but when I asked you to stop you tried 3 smart answers, and continue to suggest you will continue to swear, I've simpley asked you not to
[00:12] <ikonia> simple request, please don't swear, simple response "sure, no problem"
[00:12] <RoyK> ikonia: I have not sworn after you told me, not asked me, not to
[00:12] <ikonia> RoyK: correct, but you kept aruging it as you have been doing suggesting it was acceptable
[00:13] <ikonia> rather than "sure no problem"
[00:13] <ikonia> if you are happy to not swear, then fantastic, thank you
[00:13] <RoyK> so unless the rules are changed and also includes suggesting the rules are stupid, then I guess I yet haven't broken more of them
[00:13] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. ;)
[00:13] <Psi-Jack> ikonia: Did you see that chart?
[00:14] <ikonia> RoyK: saying "what" every time I asked you to not swear is not anything but provocotive
[00:14] <RoyK> ikonia: what?
[00:14] <ikonia> well done, enough now
[00:14] <ikonia> Psi-Jack: I didn't
[00:14] <AlanBell> ok, lets call this argument to a close now
[00:15] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that's why I'm trying to distract them back into the subject. ;)
[00:15] <AlanBell> I am sure RoyK will be a model citizen from now on, lets talk about servers
[00:15] <Psi-Jack> ikonia: Notice right at the maintenance window, the free memory jump up and go WAY back down the moment mysql started?
[00:16] <ikonia> Psi-Jack: just finding the url for the image, one moment
[00:16] <Psi-Jack> And again, around 3:45, which was after doing some tuning.
[00:16] <Psi-Jack> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2dotv6&s=5
[00:16] <Psi-Jack> I think it was mysql somehow.
[00:16] <Psi-Jack> Cause it just ATE the memory for lunch every time for no reason.
[00:17] <ikonia> because it's not going beyond the bounds it must be something non-static as an issue and internal to mysql though
[00:18] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: late lunch
[00:18] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. There's a kernel update as well, but I'm not rebooting this server right now. :)
[00:18] <Psi-Jack> I was pushing it by pushing out an update that I should've done this morning, but oh well.
[00:18] <ikonia> it's go to be something it's doing at a regular time that's causing it rather than a bug of something just going out of control/leaking
[00:18] <yakster> hello all….
[00:19] <ikonia> it stays within the memory boundary, so it's not a "bug" in that respect
[00:19] <ikonia> it just seems to struggle to do $X Task
[00:19] <Psi-Jack> ikonia: Even now, the free memory itself is steadilly dropping.
[00:19] <yakster> was wondering if anyone can successfully mount a Airport-Ectreme USB drive, if so what is the FSTAB line for it
[00:19] <ikonia> but it never oversteps that it's doing
[00:19] <Psi-Jack> But it's not at the bottom 200MB.
[00:19] <ikonia> I can only think of that index example
[00:20] <Psi-Jack> Right now, it's peeked down to around 600MB free, and is maintaining it there with a very VERY slow pace there of continuing to get lower.
[00:21] <Psi-Jack> I'm betting that's just it filling all it's caches, like query cache, innodb buffer pool, etc.
[00:21] <yakster> having issues getting an airport extreme USB disk to mount in… perhaps someone can help?
[00:21] <Psi-Jack> I know this DB isn't TOTALLY optimal, but we have this running just fine on other servers.
[00:21] <yakster> in smbclient i can see it as a share
[00:22] <ikonia> Psi-Jack: are they configured in a similar scale setup ?
[00:22] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[00:23] <Psi-Jack> This one DB is scaled in a 2-pair cluster, Master and Slave.
[00:23] <Psi-Jack> We have others of similar setup for R&D, QC, Staging, and specialized ones for Sales Demos and Partner's Sandbox.
[00:24] <Psi-Jack> Along with that, another production pair, each of those are running under a Xen server with Rackspace Cloud servers, that pair has 16GB each for it's Master and Slave.
[00:24] <Psi-Jack> That one's over allocated by about 5% more total memory than it's got to allocate for, and it still hasn't even swapped yet.
[00:25] <Psi-Jack> So, where the Rackspace MySQL pair has 16GB RAM each, they're maximum memory allocation is around 16.5GB.
[00:25] <mansion> Does anybody happen to know about hard drive caddies in relation to hard drive speed?
[00:26] <ikonia> mansion: try ##hardware
[00:26] <mansion> Say, the caddy says 15k on it; would i be able to put a 10k drive into it and have it work?
[00:26] <ikonia> Psi-Jack: interesting,
[00:26] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. That's my thought too.
[00:27] <Psi-Jack> But THIS one server, which hasn't been updated in months, had some updates to kernel and mysqld, and before that, everytime mysqld starts up, it eats ALL free memory, and then swap gradually starts to decline.
[00:27] <Psi-Jack> Until it's almost out.
[00:27] <Psi-Jack> So, I think we have a memory leak. ;)
[00:27] <ikonia> Psi-Jack: I'd agree with that if it was going beyond it's allowed memory
[00:27] <ikonia> (or agree easier)
[00:27] <Psi-Jack> The slave server was freshly rebuilt not but a few weeks ago, just before Christmas, and it's not had that issue.
[00:28] <ikonia> is it at the same patch level (before you updated the master today)
[00:28] <Psi-Jack> The slave?
[00:28] <Psi-Jack> No, it was ahead. ;)
[00:29] <ikonia> are they are the same level now
[00:29] <ikonia> (assuming a reboot)
[00:30] <Psi-Jack> ikonia: Yes, mysqld is exactly the same patchlevel version as it's slave now.
[00:30] <ikonia> ahh, but the kernel isn't
[00:31] <ikonia> that's the only thing thats different from what you're saying
[00:31] <Psi-Jack> Not presently no.
[00:31] <Psi-Jack> Kernel is different, at the moment.
[00:31] <ikonia> if this stops after a reboot, it would be good but annoying
[00:31] <Psi-Jack> Main thing that changed was mysql, I think even glibc maybe?
[00:32] <Psi-Jack> Nope. glibc is the same
[00:33] <Psi-Jack> apparmor, mysqld, and upstart, are the three things in effect now, that were updated, that's changed.
[00:34] <Psi-Jack> And I just ran my tuner-primer script on the DB, and free memory shot down some more. LOL
[00:34] <Psi-Jack> But, most of it's cache. :)
[00:34] <Psi-Jack>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[00:35] <Psi-Jack> Mem:       8196800    7990704     206096          0     111312    1215036
[00:35] <Psi-Jack> -/+ buffers/cache:    6664356    1532444
[00:35] <Psi-Jack> Swap:       905208       1696     903512
[00:38] <Psi-Jack> Heh wow.
[00:38] <ikonia> ok, I'm too curious now, I want you to reboot (I know you can't just do that) but I'm too curious
[00:39] <Psi-Jack> I just turned on the graphs for cache and buffers for that same time frame.
[00:39] <Psi-Jack> Buffers and cache free during that whole time, was as low as the total free memory.
[00:39] <Psi-Jack> Since the mysqld update, cache rose while free memory dropped, criss-crossing over each other as it should.
[00:40] <Psi-Jack> I'll screenshot that if you want to see. ;)
[00:40] <Psi-Jack> Shows quite a difference.
[00:41] <ikonia> please
[00:42] <Psi-Jack> http://oi39.tinypic.com/21j3rfa.jpg
[00:42] <Psi-Jack> Huge difference.
[00:43] <ikonia> I see
[00:43] <Psi-Jack> Before mysqld update, cache skyrockets, then gradually lowers until there's none left, while free memory's already gone.
[00:44] <Psi-Jack> After update, free memory skyrockets but gradually goes down while it's building up cache.
[00:44] <Psi-Jack> And now, the memory is maintaining itself at it's current level steady. ;)
[00:44] <ikonia> Hmmmmm
[00:46] <ikonia> need to feed now, it's late
[00:47] <Psi-Jack> hehe
[00:47] <Psi-Jack> Vampire, eh?
[01:43] <onekenthomas> 2233
[07:44] <Guest69559> modprobe won't load my module, I think it's a dependency thing. How do I update modprobe's list of kernel modules ?
[08:10] <Guest69559> I found it, depmod
[09:14] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:14] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:45] <Samic> can anyone one here check if my smtp server is secured enough?
[10:01]  * Samic wonders  if anyone is actually here!
[10:39] <koolhead17> Daviey: around?
[10:44] <Deathvalley122> does 11.10 have issues with its usb drivers cause its unable to read kvm now
[11:25] <Psi-Jack> ikonia: Interesting results. So far, 4 hours later, and the memory report on that MySQL server is /COMPLETELY/ different.
[11:26] <Psi-Jack> Free Memory is still >2 GB remaining, which is desired and expected, cache usage is now > 2 GB, which is better than it was before where it would go up or start extremely high and plumet within an hour..
[11:58] <eagles0513875> what is the default url for cobbler on 11.10
[13:02] <bastidrazor> a
[13:25] <pmatulis> b
[13:28] <RoyK> c
[13:29]  * patdk-lap steals def
[13:36] <cloudgeek> best network analyzer for network !!???
[13:37] <patdk-lap> !best
[13:43] <cloudgeek> no bestbot there !!
[18:34] <iToast> hey
[18:34] <iToast> Im thinking of using my ubuntu machine to kill my freenas box.
[18:34] <iToast> Whats more important, cpu or ram?
[18:35] <iToast> Its using a amth cpu at 1.5 ghz. with 1gb of ram.
[18:35] <iToast> I'm thinking of upping its ram to 2 / 4 gb :)
[19:24] <Onepamopa> guys, some help with IP alias ?
[19:24] <Onepamopa> auto eth0:0 iface eth0:0 inet static address <IP> netmask <mask>
[19:24] <Onepamopa> interface does not appear
[19:24] <Onepamopa> "cannot assign requested address"
[19:31] <Onepamopa> mask is 255.255.255.255
[20:04] <qman__> that's an invalid mask
[21:05] <wmp> hello, is possible to show what configure options is package compiling?
[23:34] <jasonmchristos> Anyone here able to help with libpam-rsa?
[23:34] <jasonmchristos> Installed it generated keys checked the config the lines to require rsa seem to be in place but my systems authentication looks unchanged.