| len | Not sure who wold know... I have a question about cdrdao, gcdmaster and ardour. | 17:42 |
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| len | I have been reading about bug #791467 | 17:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 791467 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu Oneiric) "gcdmaster not built on Oneiric: breaks ubuntustudio installation with additional software" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791467 | 17:43 |
| len | and there seems to be some indication that perhaps ardour produces a TOC file. Then gcdmaster is used to take that toc file and data and burn it to disk. | 17:44 |
| len | Is this correct? I had thought that I needed gcdmaster to build the toc file too. | 17:45 |
| len | I am pretty sure I could develop a script that would take a toc and burn things. | 17:45 |
| len | In fact I could probably do something that would do almost everything gcdmaster does minus the nice waveform display. | 17:46 |
| len | I was thinking to use tcl/tk as something that will work with the same scripts from version to version. | 17:47 |
| len | Most libraries like gnome, qt, gtk or whatever, need to have code changes for every new version they come out with. That was why I thought script. | 17:52 |
| len | Easier to maintain. | 17:52 |
| holstein | we need gcdmaster! | 18:15 |
| holstein | or something like it... | 18:15 |
| len | Ok, Whats easier? fixing gcdmaster, or something new? | 18:21 |
| len | Fixing gcdmaster means migrating to a new set of libs, I would think. | 18:22 |
| len | It could be built static, but what happens when the libs we use static no longer work with the libs they depend on. | 18:23 |
| len | The problem with migrating, for me, is that I would have to learn both the old and the new. | 19:45 |
| len | Makes me feel old. I have found three GUIs with script input, QT, TK, and GTK. tcl/tk is installed by default, but I don't know how well it takes theme input. | 19:48 |
| len | There is a qtcl (qt tooltik for tcl) but it is not in any of the repos. | 19:49 |
| len | But there is at least a qt for perl and python... though they do not seem to come with Studio... I could be wrong I'm using Xubuntu right now. | 19:51 |
| len | gtk also has scripting in perl and python. Only the perl version is included though. | 19:53 |
| holstein | len: sorry i was busy | 20:12 |
| holstein | i foget what the deal breaker was with GCDmaster | 20:12 |
| holstein | forget* | 20:12 |
| holstein | there was a point of discussion as to what GCD provides that K3B doesnt | 20:13 |
| holstein | and i did not easily find the way to do what needed to be done in K3B | 20:13 |
| holstein | but, i didnt spend much time on it | 20:13 |
| holstein | len: if you can catch me idle on here, id live to get to the bottom of it | 20:14 |
| holstein | we need a tool like that | 20:14 |
| len | GCDmaster uses a lib that is no longer included in the ubuntu repos. | 20:20 |
| holstein | len: thats what it was | 20:21 |
| holstein | len: is it for the GUI? | 20:21 |
| holstein | unfortunately, getting tools added is a drag | 20:21 |
| holstein | added into the repositories | 20:21 |
| len | GCDMaster edits disk at once toc to use with cdrdao. I think the lib was the gnome 2 one\ | 20:21 |
| holstein | its easier to add it in debian | 20:21 |
| len | How long will it be there? | 20:22 |
| holstein | len: dont let anyone lie to you... its been broken for a long time | 20:22 |
| len | The last gcdmaster update was when 2007? | 20:22 |
| holstein | len: yup... anyways... if you want to test something let me know | 20:22 |
| holstein | i cant code, but i'll load up whatever in whatever, and make time for it | 20:23 |
| holstein | a fresh 12.04 installl or whatever | 20:23 |
| len | I'm looking at the docs for gtk for perl ... it is already part of xubuntu and hopefully Studio. I know a bit of perl though no gtk. | 20:24 |
| len | But so far the gtk way of doing things looks close to tk from tcl/tk | 20:24 |
| len | I figure if I use perl it may be easier for someone else to take the script and drop it to c than if I use tcl/tk | 20:26 |
| len | I've done about as much damage to doing docs as I can for now anyway... Though if someone has some text they want added, I would be willing to do styling. | 20:27 |
| holstein | len: hehe.. you're doing great! | 20:29 |
| len | So I will try some stuff to make cdmaster. | 20:29 |
| len | I should put the docs somewhere more permanent than my server though. | 20:30 |
| holstein | len: just as long as you know how hard it would be to include it | 20:30 |
| holstein | it would need to be accepted into the repos | 20:30 |
| holstein | i mean, you can do a PPA, or whatever, and ill spread the word... | 20:30 |
| len | Or on the wiki. | 20:30 |
| len | In any case it will do no good unless there is a pointer to it somewhere... even in the stock bookmarks for the distro. | 20:31 |
| holstein | len: i think that can happen | 20:32 |
| holstein | you should ask ScottL though before you waste effort on it | 20:32 |
| holstein | though, i will use it :) | 20:32 |
| len | so far anyone with US has been positive, farther up less so. (see the mailing list) | 20:33 |
| len | I would like to add something about "pro" audio interfaces. I am not even sure what is out there besides the ice1712 based one and the hamerfall. I know there are some firewire ones too. Also something about using audiophile cards. | 20:36 |
| holstein | yup | 20:36 |
| holstein | the saphire focusrite's are a lot of bang for the buck | 20:36 |
| holstein | the new-ish acho audiofire stuff too, that im interested in | 20:37 |
| holstein | the RME gear is top notch and usually very well supported | 20:37 |
| len | How much can I say about it though? I don't know anything. The only one I can really talk about are the delta series as I have a d66. | 20:38 |
| holstein | well, we'll build a community of folks who can write first hand about what they have | 20:38 |
| holstein | or thats my vision | 20:38 |
| holstein | start gera stubs, and fill them in with "need a user to test" | 20:39 |
| holstein | or something.... | 20:39 |
| len | I'll post on the list asking... maybe both the devel list and I would guess there is a US list for users? | 20:39 |
| holstein | len: yeah... theres always another list ;) | 20:40 |
| holstein | and a wiki... dont forget the wikis! | 20:40 |
| len | I'd like to keep it to just a few... I only have so much time. | 20:41 |
| holstein | yeah... you are doing plenty | 20:41 |
| holstein | i was thinking kind of like that netbook database that was going on | 20:42 |
| len | I have a Yf who uses me to help edit her school essays and I need to help with kids too. | 20:42 |
| len | Havn't seen that | 20:42 |
| holstein | its complete from folks with the actual hardware | 20:43 |
| holstein | and they are wikis, so when a kernel breaks something, you just update it | 20:43 |
| holstein | well... it gets updated (or can be) | 20:43 |
| holstein | no you personally | 20:43 |
| holstein | not* | 20:43 |
| len | The US wiki is so out of date as to be almost useless. I don't want to see something like that. | 20:44 |
| holstein | yup | 20:45 |
| holstein | id like to nuke them all | 20:45 |
| holstein | start fresh | 20:45 |
| holstein | mis-information is worse in a lot of ways | 20:45 |
| len | How easy is it to do that? | 20:45 |
| holstein | len: ive been told, and read that it is everything from impossible to quite simple | 20:46 |
| holstein | but, they are all still there ;) | 20:46 |
| len | If it can be edited, how? And are edits just aditions or can thingsa be deleted | 20:46 |
| holstein | i get pro-active about things every now and then | 20:46 |
| holstein | and thats not been one of those things yet | 20:47 |
| len | Each person can only be stretched so far. | 20:48 |
| len | Another topic/question: Seeds vs metas. I am not sure why there needs to be both. I get the idea something added in the seed gets into the distro anyway. The meta allows putting US on top of another distro? | 20:51 |
| len | Or does the seed some how produce the meta? | 20:52 |
| holstein | len: not sure about that myself | 20:53 |
| holstein | from what i have seen in here, they are different for sure | 20:53 |
| * holstein gotta run... thanks for all your efforts len ... keep me posted on how i can help | 20:55 | |
| len | Has anyone looked at gcdmaster's code? It uses GTX quite a bit. It looks like to me the only thing the gnome libs is the top menu bar. I wish my c++ coding was a bit better as it may be worth just changing that part. | 22:40 |
| len | Oops Meant GTK not gtx. | 23:18 |
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