[17:42] <len> Not sure who wold know... I have a question about cdrdao, gcdmaster and ardour.
[17:43] <len> I have been reading about bug #791467
[17:44] <len> and there seems to be some indication that perhaps ardour produces a TOC file. Then gcdmaster is used to take that toc file and data and burn it to disk.
[17:45] <len> Is this correct? I had thought that I needed gcdmaster to build the toc file too.
[17:45] <len> I am pretty sure I could develop a script that would take a toc and burn things.
[17:46] <len>  In fact I could probably do something that would do almost everything gcdmaster does minus the nice waveform display.
[17:47] <len> I was thinking to use tcl/tk as something that will work with the same scripts from version to version.
[17:52] <len> Most libraries like gnome, qt, gtk or whatever, need to have code changes for every new version they come out with. That was why I thought script. 
[17:52] <len> Easier to maintain.
[18:15] <holstein> we need gcdmaster!
[18:15] <holstein> or something like it...
[18:21] <len> Ok, Whats easier? fixing gcdmaster, or something new?
[18:22] <len> Fixing gcdmaster means migrating to a new set of libs, I would think.
[18:23] <len> It could be built static, but what happens when the libs we use static no longer work with the libs they depend on.
[19:45] <len> The problem with migrating, for me, is that I would have to learn both the old and the new.
[19:48] <len> Makes me feel old. I have found three GUIs with script input, QT, TK, and GTK. tcl/tk is installed by default, but I don't know how well it takes theme input.
[19:49] <len> There is a qtcl (qt tooltik for tcl) but it is not in any of the repos.
[19:51] <len> But there is at least a qt for perl  and python... though they do not seem to come with Studio... I could be wrong I'm using Xubuntu right now.
[19:53] <len> gtk also has scripting in perl and python. Only the perl version is included though.
[20:12] <holstein> len: sorry i was busy
[20:12] <holstein> i foget what the deal breaker was with GCDmaster
[20:12] <holstein> forget*
[20:13] <holstein> there was a point of discussion as to what GCD provides that K3B doesnt
[20:13] <holstein> and i did not easily find the way to do what needed to be done in K3B
[20:13] <holstein> but, i didnt spend much time on it
[20:14] <holstein> len: if you can catch me idle on here, id live to get to the bottom of it
[20:14] <holstein> we need a tool like that
[20:20] <len> GCDmaster uses a lib that is no longer included in the ubuntu repos.
[20:21] <holstein> len: thats what it was
[20:21] <holstein> len: is it for the GUI?
[20:21] <holstein> unfortunately, getting tools added is a drag
[20:21] <holstein> added into the repositories
[20:21] <len> GCDMaster  edits disk at once toc to use with cdrdao. I think the lib was the gnome 2 one\
[20:21] <holstein> its easier to add it in debian
[20:22] <len> How long will it be there?
[20:22] <holstein> len: dont let anyone lie to you... its been broken for a long time
[20:22] <len> The last gcdmaster update was when 2007?
[20:22] <holstein> len: yup... anyways... if you want to test something let me know
[20:23] <holstein> i cant code, but i'll load up whatever in whatever, and make time for it
[20:23] <holstein> a fresh 12.04 installl or whatever
[20:24] <len> I'm looking at the docs for gtk for perl ... it is already part of xubuntu and hopefully Studio. I know a bit of perl though no gtk.
[20:24] <len> But so far the gtk way of doing things looks close to tk from tcl/tk
[20:26] <len> I figure if I use perl it may be easier for someone else to take the script and drop it to c than if I use tcl/tk
[20:27] <len> I've done about as much damage to doing docs as I can for now anyway... Though if someone has some text they want added, I would be willing to do styling.
[20:29] <holstein> len: hehe.. you're doing great!
[20:29] <len> So I will try some stuff to make cdmaster.
[20:30] <len> I should put the docs somewhere more permanent than my server though.
[20:30] <holstein> len: just as long as you know how hard it would be to include it
[20:30] <holstein> it would need to be accepted into the repos
[20:30] <holstein> i mean, you can do a PPA, or whatever, and ill spread the word...
[20:30] <len> Or on the wiki.
[20:31] <len> In any case it will do no good unless there is a pointer to it somewhere... even in the stock bookmarks for the distro.
[20:32] <holstein> len: i think that can happen
[20:32] <holstein> you should ask ScottL though before you waste effort on it
[20:32] <holstein> though, i will use it :)
[20:33] <len> so far anyone with US has been positive, farther up less so. (see the mailing list)
[20:36] <len> I would like to add something about "pro" audio interfaces. I am not even sure what is out there besides the ice1712 based one and the hamerfall. I know there are some firewire ones too. Also something about using audiophile cards.
[20:36] <holstein> yup
[20:36] <holstein> the saphire focusrite's are a lot of bang for the buck
[20:37] <holstein> the new-ish acho audiofire stuff too, that im interested in
[20:37] <holstein> the RME gear is top notch and usually very well supported
[20:38] <len> How much can I say about it though? I don't know anything. The only one I can really talk about are the delta series as I have a d66.
[20:38] <holstein> well, we'll build a community of folks who can write first hand about what they have
[20:38] <holstein> or thats my vision
[20:39] <holstein> start gera stubs, and fill them in with "need a user to test"
[20:39] <holstein> or something....
[20:39] <len> I'll post on the list asking... maybe both the devel list and I would guess there is a US list for users?
[20:40] <holstein> len: yeah... theres always another list ;)
[20:40] <holstein> and a wiki... dont forget the wikis!
[20:41] <len> I'd like to keep it to just a few... I only have so much time.
[20:41] <holstein> yeah... you are doing plenty
[20:42] <holstein> i was thinking kind of like that netbook database that was going on
[20:42] <len> I have a Yf who uses me to help edit her school essays and I need to help with kids too.
[20:42] <len> Havn't seen that
[20:43] <holstein> its complete from folks with the actual hardware
[20:43] <holstein> and they are wikis, so when a kernel breaks something, you just update it
[20:43] <holstein> well... it gets updated (or can be)
[20:43] <holstein> no you personally
[20:43] <holstein> not*
[20:44] <len> The US wiki is so out of date as to be almost useless. I don't want to see something like that.
[20:45] <holstein> yup
[20:45] <holstein> id like to nuke them all
[20:45] <holstein> start fresh
[20:45] <holstein> mis-information is worse in a lot of ways
[20:45] <len> How easy is it to do that?
[20:46] <holstein> len: ive been told, and read that it is everything from impossible to quite simple
[20:46] <holstein> but, they are all still there ;)
[20:46] <len> If it can be edited, how? And are edits just aditions or can thingsa be deleted
[20:46] <holstein> i get pro-active about things every now and then
[20:47] <holstein> and thats not been one of those things yet
[20:48] <len> Each person can only be stretched so far.
[20:51] <len> Another topic/question: Seeds vs metas. I am not sure why there needs to be both. I get the idea something added in the seed gets into the distro anyway. The meta allows putting US on top of another distro?
[20:52] <len> Or does the seed some how produce the meta?
[20:53] <holstein> len: not sure about that myself
[20:53] <holstein> from what i have seen in here, they are different for sure
[20:55]  * holstein gotta run... thanks for all your efforts len ... keep me posted on how i can help
[22:40] <len> Has anyone looked at gcdmaster's code? It uses GTX quite a bit. It looks like to me the only thing the gnome libs is the top menu bar. I wish my c++ coding was a bit better as it may be worth just changing that part.
[23:18] <len> Oops Meant GTK not gtx.