[17:42] Not sure who wold know... I have a question about cdrdao, gcdmaster and ardour. [17:43] I have been reading about bug #791467 [17:43] Launchpad bug 791467 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu Oneiric) "gcdmaster not built on Oneiric: breaks ubuntustudio installation with additional software" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791467 [17:44] and there seems to be some indication that perhaps ardour produces a TOC file. Then gcdmaster is used to take that toc file and data and burn it to disk. [17:45] Is this correct? I had thought that I needed gcdmaster to build the toc file too. [17:45] I am pretty sure I could develop a script that would take a toc and burn things. [17:46] In fact I could probably do something that would do almost everything gcdmaster does minus the nice waveform display. [17:47] I was thinking to use tcl/tk as something that will work with the same scripts from version to version. [17:52] Most libraries like gnome, qt, gtk or whatever, need to have code changes for every new version they come out with. That was why I thought script. [17:52] Easier to maintain. [18:15] we need gcdmaster! [18:15] or something like it... [18:21] Ok, Whats easier? fixing gcdmaster, or something new? [18:22] Fixing gcdmaster means migrating to a new set of libs, I would think. [18:23] It could be built static, but what happens when the libs we use static no longer work with the libs they depend on. [19:45] The problem with migrating, for me, is that I would have to learn both the old and the new. [19:48] Makes me feel old. I have found three GUIs with script input, QT, TK, and GTK. tcl/tk is installed by default, but I don't know how well it takes theme input. [19:49] There is a qtcl (qt tooltik for tcl) but it is not in any of the repos. [19:51] But there is at least a qt for perl and python... though they do not seem to come with Studio... I could be wrong I'm using Xubuntu right now. [19:53] gtk also has scripting in perl and python. Only the perl version is included though. [20:12] len: sorry i was busy [20:12] i foget what the deal breaker was with GCDmaster [20:12] forget* [20:13] there was a point of discussion as to what GCD provides that K3B doesnt [20:13] and i did not easily find the way to do what needed to be done in K3B [20:13] but, i didnt spend much time on it [20:14] len: if you can catch me idle on here, id live to get to the bottom of it [20:14] we need a tool like that [20:20] GCDmaster uses a lib that is no longer included in the ubuntu repos. [20:21] len: thats what it was [20:21] len: is it for the GUI? [20:21] unfortunately, getting tools added is a drag [20:21] added into the repositories [20:21] GCDMaster edits disk at once toc to use with cdrdao. I think the lib was the gnome 2 one\ [20:21] its easier to add it in debian [20:22] How long will it be there? [20:22] len: dont let anyone lie to you... its been broken for a long time [20:22] The last gcdmaster update was when 2007? [20:22] len: yup... anyways... if you want to test something let me know [20:23] i cant code, but i'll load up whatever in whatever, and make time for it [20:23] a fresh 12.04 installl or whatever [20:24] I'm looking at the docs for gtk for perl ... it is already part of xubuntu and hopefully Studio. I know a bit of perl though no gtk. [20:24] But so far the gtk way of doing things looks close to tk from tcl/tk [20:26] I figure if I use perl it may be easier for someone else to take the script and drop it to c than if I use tcl/tk [20:27] I've done about as much damage to doing docs as I can for now anyway... Though if someone has some text they want added, I would be willing to do styling. [20:29] len: hehe.. you're doing great! [20:29] So I will try some stuff to make cdmaster. [20:30] I should put the docs somewhere more permanent than my server though. [20:30] len: just as long as you know how hard it would be to include it [20:30] it would need to be accepted into the repos [20:30] i mean, you can do a PPA, or whatever, and ill spread the word... [20:30] Or on the wiki. [20:31] In any case it will do no good unless there is a pointer to it somewhere... even in the stock bookmarks for the distro. [20:32] len: i think that can happen [20:32] you should ask ScottL though before you waste effort on it [20:32] though, i will use it :) [20:33] so far anyone with US has been positive, farther up less so. (see the mailing list) [20:36] I would like to add something about "pro" audio interfaces. I am not even sure what is out there besides the ice1712 based one and the hamerfall. I know there are some firewire ones too. Also something about using audiophile cards. [20:36] yup [20:36] the saphire focusrite's are a lot of bang for the buck [20:37] the new-ish acho audiofire stuff too, that im interested in [20:37] the RME gear is top notch and usually very well supported [20:38] How much can I say about it though? I don't know anything. The only one I can really talk about are the delta series as I have a d66. [20:38] well, we'll build a community of folks who can write first hand about what they have [20:38] or thats my vision [20:39] start gera stubs, and fill them in with "need a user to test" [20:39] or something.... [20:39] I'll post on the list asking... maybe both the devel list and I would guess there is a US list for users? [20:40] len: yeah... theres always another list ;) [20:40] and a wiki... dont forget the wikis! [20:41] I'd like to keep it to just a few... I only have so much time. [20:41] yeah... you are doing plenty [20:42] i was thinking kind of like that netbook database that was going on [20:42] I have a Yf who uses me to help edit her school essays and I need to help with kids too. [20:42] Havn't seen that [20:43] its complete from folks with the actual hardware [20:43] and they are wikis, so when a kernel breaks something, you just update it [20:43] well... it gets updated (or can be) [20:43] no you personally [20:43] not* [20:44] The US wiki is so out of date as to be almost useless. I don't want to see something like that. [20:45] yup [20:45] id like to nuke them all [20:45] start fresh [20:45] mis-information is worse in a lot of ways [20:45] How easy is it to do that? [20:46] len: ive been told, and read that it is everything from impossible to quite simple [20:46] but, they are all still there ;) [20:46] If it can be edited, how? And are edits just aditions or can thingsa be deleted [20:46] i get pro-active about things every now and then [20:47] and thats not been one of those things yet [20:48] Each person can only be stretched so far. [20:51] Another topic/question: Seeds vs metas. I am not sure why there needs to be both. I get the idea something added in the seed gets into the distro anyway. The meta allows putting US on top of another distro? [20:52] Or does the seed some how produce the meta? [20:53] len: not sure about that myself [20:53] from what i have seen in here, they are different for sure [20:55] * holstein gotta run... thanks for all your efforts len ... keep me posted on how i can help [22:40] Has anyone looked at gcdmaster's code? It uses GTX quite a bit. It looks like to me the only thing the gnome libs is the top menu bar. I wish my c++ coding was a bit better as it may be worth just changing that part. [23:18] Oops Meant GTK not gtx.