[04:49] <grammy> hi m00se, love your screen name! are u in Maine?
[04:50] <m00se> http://i.imgur.com/FQF5m.jpg
[04:50]  * m00se wiggles his antlers!
[04:50] <m00se> no, ny - upstate
[04:50] <grammy> in unity, how does one navigate to the desktop without minimizing all the open programs???
[04:51] <grammy> moose: ok, happy moose watching.
[04:59] <pleia2> grammy: you probably want to ask in #ubuntu, xubuntu doesn't use unity so you probably won't find an answer here
[05:10] <grammy> pleia2: TY, I didn't even realize I logged into the wrong channell, appreciate the input. Will move to #ubuntu.
[12:15] <mongy> how do you add a shortcut on the left in thunar?
[12:15] <Sysi> drag
[12:15] <mongy> ugh
[12:15] <mongy> seriously
[12:16] <mongy> I need to start thinking 'simple' more
[14:14] <bathman> ok.. i messed up
[14:14] <bathman> i tried to get autologin with this
[14:15] <bathman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1864527&page=2
[14:15] <bathman> post from "breek"
[14:15] <bathman> added those 2 autologin lines
[14:16] <bathman> and now i can only login as root :s
[14:17] <GridCube> bathman, your user is always root, well, with sudo, but yes
[14:18] <bathman> i mean
[14:19] <bathman> there was no auto login, as was predicted (as far as that was one)
[14:19] <bathman> and my username and password won't let me login to a xfce or xubuntu session :(
[14:19] <bathman> with root, no prob
[14:19] <GridCube> you need to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:19] <Sysi> you shouldn't be able to login as root..
[14:20] <GridCube> indeed
[14:20] <bathman> i couldn't get back to graphical in order to lookup the page
[14:20] <bathman> so i logged in as root
[14:20] <Sysi> failsafe or virtual terminal?
[14:21] <bathman> i removed those 2 autologin lines, leaving (i think) what was originally in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:21] <bathman> but i still can't login as normal user :(
[14:22] <GridCube> edit your lightdm.conf to look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/796001/
[14:22] <Sysi> yeah, because they're probably totally unrelated
[14:22] <Sysi> can you login to tty as your user?
[14:22] <bathman> yes, i can
[14:23] <bathman> but will first restore original .conf
[14:23] <GridCube> bathman, thats the lightdm.conf i use
[14:23] <bathman> and let my sister show sth on youtube (i have no choice!)
[14:23] <bathman> so afk!
[14:30] <jnsl_> hi, i just updated my xubuntu.. why do i get unity updates among things?
[14:30] <mongy> because you have it installed
[14:32] <GridCube> jnsl_, because xubuntu uses some things shared with gnome, like firefox and toher stuff, and when they update they also send updates for unity, they wont be used, but they are there, just in case you some day decide you need your brain to hurt and want to use unity
[14:34] <jnsl_> hehe ok thanks for answer
[14:35] <bathman> ok, here goes (reboot)
[14:40] <bathman> no luck
[14:40] <GridCube> mmm
[14:40] <GridCube> what if you reasing your user its password?
[14:40] <bathman> i restored /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to what the link shows
[14:41] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.ICEauthority
[14:41] <bathman> GridCube how do you mean, reasing?
[14:41] <GridCube> you know login as root and do passwd username
[14:42] <bathman> ic
[14:42] <GridCube> s/reasing/reasign/g
[14:42] <bathman> i'll try that
[14:43] <TVasEyes> GridCube: s/reasign/reassign/  ;)
[14:44] <GridCube> oooo
[14:44] <GridCube> there is an ass in it *wink*
[14:44] <TVasEyes> ;o
[14:49] <bathman> lol
[14:49] <bathman> but no such luck
[14:50] <bathman> remove user, add?
[14:50] <bathman> or readd
[14:51] <bathman> since logging in to xfce graphical as root does work?
[14:52] <TVasEyes> bathman: have you tried removing the ~/.ICEauthority file?
[14:52] <bathman> oh that was meant for me? srry, missed that :)
[14:53] <bathman> as user or as root?
[14:53] <TVasEyes> will have to as root since you cannot access as user ;)
[14:53] <bathman> i can in tty :)
[14:54] <TVasEyes> same difference then.
[14:54] <bathman> now i'm in tty
[14:55] <TVasEyes> so, do as sysi suggests, then reboot perhaps (just in case).
[14:55] <Sysi> shouldn't need anything after that
[14:57] <bathman> without reboot: still cannot login
[14:58] <bathman> this system is bewitched!
[15:02] <GridCube> it seems like
[15:02] <bathman> ll try rebooting first anyway :)
[15:04] <bathman> nope
[15:04] <TVasEyes> bathman: quick test: as root (from tty) create another user, set password etc, switch to graphical login and see whether your new user can login.
[15:05] <bathman> sounds good id
[15:06] <bathman> useradd -m andthensomename?
[15:06] <TVasEyes> yes, then passwd andthensomename
[15:07] <bathman> it's a long time ago since i gave birth to a new user :)
[15:08] <TVasEyes> luckily, we're all midwives here.. LOL
[15:09] <bathman> lol
[15:09] <bathman> works!
[15:09] <_Pete_> -m is not really needed
[15:09] <bathman> that's for a home dir to be created at the same time?
[15:10] <_Pete_> usually just: useradd <someone>
[15:10] <_Pete_> is enough
[15:10] <TVasEyes> right, the problem then is most likely in (the auto stuff in) your lightdm.conf.
[15:10] <bathman> so i might be able to: userdel myusualusername and then create again?
[15:11] <TVasEyes> you might get a different uid, any files affected?
[15:11] <bathman> i removed that autologin stuff, thought that was enough :s
[15:11] <bathman> this is a new install since yesterday, had no important files yet
[15:11] <bathman> just settings
[15:12] <bathman> also dual boot
[15:12] <bathman> win7/somedistro :)
[15:12] <bathman> had sabayon running for a year or so, but with ati/gnome3 perils it got stuck really hard
[15:13] <bathman> so back to good'ol'ubuntu!
[15:13] <bathman> or xubuntu
[15:13] <TVasEyes> bathman: here's mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/796036/
[15:13] <TVasEyes> no auto stuff, just works.
[15:17] <bathman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/796038/
[15:17] <bathman> oopz
[15:17] <bathman> that's right, i put them back in there
[15:18] <bathman> that was a second try, since removing didn't fix it anyway
[15:23] <GridCube> mine is this, it works http://paste.ubuntu.com/796001/
[15:25] <TVasEyes> strange, cannot see any difference between the two.
[15:26] <GridCube> you mean mine and yours TVasEyes ?
[15:26] <TVasEyes> no, yours and bathman's.
[15:27] <TVasEyes> beginning to wonder, maybe there's a space or something in bathman's.
[15:27] <GridCube> may be
[15:27] <TVasEyes> bathman: does your lightdm.conf look same with cat -A (to show trailing spaces if any)
[15:28] <bathman> let's try
[15:30] <bathman> except for those $, yes: same
[15:30] <TVasEyes> damn!
[15:30] <bathman> bewitched i tell ye!
[15:31] <TVasEyes> sure looks that way ;)  sorry, right out of ideas.
[15:31] <bathman> but i can delete my normal user and recreate, i think?
[15:31] <TVasEyes> don't see why not.
[15:32] <bathman> let's try
[15:39] <bathman> whaddayaknow
[15:40] <bathman> that works, auto-login too now :s
[15:40] <TVasEyes> fab
[15:40] <bathman> but with all default xfce settings
[15:40] <bathman> and my erm
[15:41] <TVasEyes> exchange rate mechanism?
[15:41] <bathman> "doskey" like i'm trying to describe it, scrollback in terminal, shows ^[[A like in tty
[15:42] <bathman> none of my arrows seem te work
[15:42] <GridCube> bathman, "this is my opinion", reinstall
[15:42] <bathman> lol :)
[15:42] <GridCube> really, just do a clean install, you dont have nothing to lose anyway
[15:43] <bathman> not much
[15:43] <GridCube> then its the easiest most painless way of fixing this kind of problematic situations
[15:45] <TVasEyes> correct (but you lose opportunity to pull out hair in frustration)
[15:45] <xubuntu5> is there a way to make the panel be vertical but have the text horizontal?
[15:46] <bathman> and all i needed was rubberband!! :D
[15:47] <bathman> but it will be reinstall i guess, when i have a bit more time ;)
[15:47] <bathman> thx so far, cya all!
[15:50] <GridCube> xubuntu5, not so far, xfce people is working on that for the future
[17:39] <m1chael> if i boot up a pc with an xubuntu live cd- is it possible to get a full probe of all hardware specifications?
[17:40] <Sysi> yeah, pretty much
[17:41] <m1chael> how can i do it? i'd like to be able to save it to a usb flash drive
[17:44] <Sysi> cd ~ ; free -m > hardware.txt ; lspci >> hardware.txt ; lsusb >> hardware.txt
[17:45] <Sysi> (without enter) ; lscpu >> hardware.txt
[17:46] <Sysi> that creates hardware.txt to liveuser's home folder with all info I can think of
[17:47] <Sysi> awh man
[18:17] <jnsl_> hi, im new, will AUR packages be automatically updated like official ones ?
[18:21] <jnsl_> nvm i understand niw
[18:21] <jnsl_> now*
[18:37] <jnsl_> DSD
[18:42] <mongy> how can I stop thunar-daemon from running.  I am trying to replace it with pcmanfm
[19:10] <Sysi> I have up-to-date 11.10 and I just updated package lists, is there some problem with wine dependencies? http://paste.ubuntu.com/796264/
[19:13] <Sysi> or is aptitude too smart, apt just tells what it's gonna install
[19:16] <Unit193> aptitude is too smart, it tried to install/uninstall tons of stuff last time I tried a basic operation
[19:17] <Sysi> you're not using it right :b
[19:18] <Unit193> No, I use apt-[get,cache]
[19:18] <Sysi> ia32-libs-multiarch is something really weird, virtual package and real package
[19:19] <Sysi> it just has tons of kde/qt as dependency
[19:23] <Sysi> wine-gecko is fat.. does spotify even need it
[19:25] <Unit193> Well, it got gold in the appdb, that's a plus
[19:44] <augustl> hi folks. Anyone know why there isn't a package for emerald, the compiz decorator?
[19:48] <Sysi> !find emerald
[19:49] <augustl> `apt-cache search emerald` doesn't list any package either :(
[19:49] <augustl> seems pretty easy to build manually, but perhaps there's a good reason for why there isn't a package for it..
[19:49] <Sysi> it's pretty dead upstream
[19:50] <Sysi> I recommend using gtk-window-decorator, it's in compiz-gnome
[19:51] <augustl> ah, I didn't know that, thanks
[19:51] <mongy> augustl, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11401326  if you really want it..
[19:52] <augustl> I think I've changed my mind :)
[19:52] <augustl> but thanks
[19:52] <mongy> np
[19:52] <Sysi> I think it's not entirely dead, but not really active project either
[19:52] <mongy> works fine, for me anyways
[19:54] <augustl> "as with all software, there is an element of chance", from the ubuntu wiki. heh :)
[19:54] <mongy> augustl, I think its not in the repo anymore because as sysi said its not that maintained and it needs patching to work in unity properly, aparrantly.
[19:54] <augustl> ah, well I'm not using unity ;)
[19:54] <mongy> ditto
[19:55] <mongy> bbiab..  booze run
[19:55] <augustl> hf
[19:56] <augustl> pretty happy with xubuntu. It's basically ubuntu with xfce and without all the branding stuff like ubuntu one. Which is exactly what I want
[19:56] <augustl> eventually got tired of having to learn everything about linux myself from using Arch..
[20:13] <mongy> I tried arch out, but by the end of it after installing everything I want/need for a decent exeperience, I might as well have installed xubuntu :)
[20:14] <mongy> didn't see much in it between them as far as resource usage either..
[20:14] <mongy> sorry wrong chann :|
[20:15] <mongy> so, anyway.  how can I stop thunar-daemon from running.  I am trying to replace it with pcmanfm
[20:16] <Sysi> have you selected pcmanfm as preferred filemanager and rebooted?
[20:16] <mongy> yes, but thunar-daemon still runs..
[20:17] <mongy> its only like 6mb but if Im not gonan use it, why have it running
[20:17] <augustl> mongy: lots of stuff that needs to be set up on a laptop when you use arch though
[20:17] <augustl> and you'll end up playing the role of software integrator
[20:17] <Sysi> mongy: remove thunar?
[20:18] <mongy> Sysi,  yeah I might have to.  Didn't really want to in case something needed it like when I right click desktop and do properties.. not that I ever wanna do that, just example.
[20:19] <Sysi> if you need it then you need to probably run that daemon
[20:24] <austinyb> does anyone know why i'm receiving the error message "No root file system is defined" after installation through wubi
[20:26] <holstein> other than wubi is just awful... maybe its something to do with your filesystem
[20:26] <Sysi> sounds like partitioning/installer problem but I seriously don't know anything about wubi
[20:27] <holstein> austinyb: you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791698 ?
[20:27] <mongy> wubi is something I can't be bothered using/learning.
[20:28] <holstein> its an easy way to transition
[20:28] <mongy> dive in..
[20:28] <Sysi> there are some occasions where it's handy, but I don't have windows..
[20:28] <holstein> when i started using it, it broke my network contoller pretty significantly... had to pull the power to reset
[20:29] <Sysi> sounds like windows :P
[20:31] <mongy> Sysi, mind you, looking at ram usage, pcmanfm and thunar just about the same..
[20:32] <Sysi> pcmanfm uses HAL? HAL is sad, "so bad even it's original developers abandoned it"
[20:32] <mongy> really?  sudo apt-get purge pcmanfm
[20:32] <Sysi> ps uxf | grep hal
[20:37] <Scuzzball> So I'm trying to just install Xubuntu to a flash drive.
[20:38] <Scuzzball> The bit where you select where ot install it is just a partitioner, and trying with just free space left me with "No root filesystem defined", or something.
[20:38] <Scuzzball> So I'm following a guide for manual disk partitioning in ubuntu 11.04.
[20:38] <mongy> Scuzzball, did you specify the / (root) then?
[20:39] <Scuzzball> But when I do that, it says it needs to unmount /cdrom to build the partition table.
[20:39] <Scuzzball> I did.
[20:39] <mongy> did you use guided mode and 'use free space' or did you manually set it
[20:40] <Scuzzball> I don't have a guided mode.
[20:40] <Scuzzball> So I manually set it.
[20:40] <Scuzzball> I'm using xubuntu desktop 11.10.
[20:41] <mongy> checked your /erc/fstab then ?
[20:41] <mongy> etc*
[20:41] <Scuzzball> How?
[20:41] <mongy> boot the livecd and access the partition
[20:41] <Scuzzball> Also, I just noticed the flash drive is /dev/sda, and the cdrom is /dev/sda1
[20:42] <mongy> you have a cdrom filesystem on your flash drive then
[20:42] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[20:42] <mongy> much like the rubbish that is shipped on sandiks
[20:42] <mongy> sandisks.. sorry
[20:42] <Scuzzball> Yeah.
[20:42] <Scuzzball> I uninstall that and format it.
[20:43] <mongy> only their proper tool can remove it
[20:43] <Scuzzball> But there are only two partitions, both of which I set up.
[20:43] <Scuzzball> I know.
[20:43] <mongy> k
[20:43] <Scuzzball> I make sure to use it.
[20:43] <Scuzzball> Then I format it anyway.
[20:43] <Scuzzball> Cause it's that terrible.
[20:43] <Scuzzball> So I just boot the livecd, and format the flash drive?
[20:44] <mongy> I can't the installer do that while you install it
[20:44] <mongy> remove the I :)
[20:48] <nightspirit> Anyone know how to do a full disk encryption with Xubuntu? I use truecrypt for windows, but it doesn't support full disk for linux
[20:49] <mongy> nightspirit, alternate installer iso
[20:49] <nightspirit> Is that the only way? I just got it installed and updated
[20:50] <mongy> Did i read somewhere somewhen that the livecd would include full disk encryption in 12.04?
[20:50] <mongy> nightspirit, you can encrypt your home but as far as full disk, I am not sure if it can be done.. not easily anyway
[20:51] <nightspirit> Aw well. I have my home folder encrypted, that should be good enough
[20:51] <mongy> and you can encrypt swap too.
[20:51] <mongy> using the same mechanism your home folder is using
[20:51] <mongy> ecryptfs-setup-swap,  never used it though.
[20:52] <mongy> 1 encrypted folder is enough for me
[20:52] <mongy> yeah, home encryption is generally enough.
[20:53] <nightspirit> I hope so lol. I'm kinda paranoid with the state of the world today
[20:54] <mongy> are you a spy?
[21:03] <austinyb> i just reinstalled xubuntu and am receiving the same error
[21:03] <nightspirit> If I told you, I would have to kill you
[21:04] <augustl> I'm wondering, who works on xubuntu? canonical peeps?
[21:05] <nightspirit> I believe so. They do Xubuntu, Ubuntu, And Kubuntu
[21:05] <augustl> xubuntu seems very well integrated
[21:05] <augustl> a custom theme, a custom notification area, e tc
[21:05] <Sysi> I know one or maybe two guys who work at canonical and few volunteers
[21:06] <Sysi> current project leader is voluntary, canonical guy is actually doing mozilla packaging
[21:06] <Sysi> canonical is focusing on unity
[21:06] <augustl> I see
[21:06] <mongy> canonical should replace gnome-fallback with xubuntu-desktop
[21:07] <augustl> I guess ubuntu with xfce is pretty much the same as xubuntu?
[21:07] <Sysi> different default settings and applications but about the same
[21:09] <nightspirit> I still say that they need to make a spin off with Gnome 3
[21:09] <Sysi> mongy: canonical isn't supporting using gnome-fallback any way
[21:10] <Sysi> nightspirit: unity is built on gnome3
[21:11] <augustl> isn't unity just gnome-shell, no gnome3 desktop?
[21:11] <Sysi> I think they'er afraid that people would realize how much better gnome-shell is than unity :P
[21:11] <Sysi> basically fallback is gnome3, you can run gnome-shell or unity on it
[21:12] <mongy> dont like gnome shell at all.. just something about it.. and the problems I had with fglrx and it..
[21:13] <mongy> If I went down that tablet based desktop route, I'd go unity
[21:13] <nightspirit> I just uninstalled Fedora 16, which had gnome shell, and I loved it. Gnome that is, not Fedora
[21:13] <Sysi> I don't really fancy dymaic multiple desktops and weird alttab but otherly it's really nice
[21:13] <augustl> gnome 3 and unity made me realize that I hate new software :P
[21:13] <Sysi> *dynamic
[21:13] <augustl> so many bugs... it's been working fine for 8 years and now this! :)
[21:14] <Sysi> unity is messy and they crippled globalmenu
[21:14] <nightspirit> I always break unity within a week of having it installed
[21:15] <Sysi> I still think unity and gnome-shell are much better with fullhd display than netbook
[21:15] <nightspirit> That is true. It looks great on my 720p screen, but anything lower, and unity looks horrible
[21:16] <Sysi> I'm thinking more of functionality
[21:19] <Sysi> (720p is kinda small screen, I'm talking about 1680x1050 and bigger)
[21:22] <nightspirit> All my screens are 1600 x 900, and it works great
[21:23] <mongy> that's that hd+ resolution isnt it.
[21:23] <nightspirit> idk about functionality on netbooks though, never owned one
[21:23] <mongy> had a laptop with it once, made my eyes itch
[21:23] <mongy> sporting full 1080 now:)
[21:25] <Sysi> 1200p would be nice.. or 2560x1440 ...or 2560x1600
[21:26] <nightspirit> I'm good with my screen. If I got anything bigger, I'd have to find new wallpapers
[21:26] <Sysi> even if I could by two high-quality 1200p for the price of one 2560x1440
[21:35] <augustl> gnome3 spaceflare wallpaper ftw :)
[21:39] <mongy> es violeta wallpaper ftw :)
[21:40] <nightspirit> steampunk wallpaper ftw
[21:48] <mongy> #000000 ftw
[21:50] <Sysi> I prefer #FFFFFF or some weird turquoise
[22:01] <austinyb> i have tried installing xubuntu via wubi to no avail, and now through usb with no avail.. what could i be doing wrong
[22:03] <mongy> installing from usb to where
[22:15] <austinyb> netbook
[22:19] <holstein> austinyb: check your downloaded images
[22:20] <m1chael> if i boot up a pc with an xubuntu live cd- is it possible to get a full probe of all hardware specifications? how can i do it? i'd like to be able to save it to a usb flash drive
[22:23] <mongy> m1chael, sudo lshw > output.txt
 m1chael, sudo lshw > output.txt # is this available through the liveCD console? ( i havent tested it yet. )
[22:44] <mongy> yes.
[22:44] <m1chael> okay, great
[22:45] <m1chael> doing a very big job tomorrow and xubuntu will be my pc swiss army knife
[22:45] <Unit193> You can also get an nice HTML page of it
[22:45] <mongy> there is a gui called hwinfo , not used it in ages so not sure how good it is
[22:50] <Sysi> I prefer output of lspci > HW.txt ; lscpu >> HW.txt ; free -m >> HW.txt (; lsusb >> HW.txt)
[22:51] <Sysi> more clear and also tells ram amount, if you need it
[22:52] <olbi> cat /proc/cpuinfo, cat /proc/meminfo, dmesg | grep [memory, cpu/processor/etc], lspci
[22:53] <Sysi> that's not proper bash script
[22:55] <Sysi> whee, "echo \ >> file" creates empty line
[22:57] <Sysi> echo TEST > test.txt ; echo \ >> test.txt ; echo TEST >> test.txt ; cat test.txt
[23:00] <Sysi> at some point I could study loops..
[23:12] <TVasEyes> for i in $(seq 1 100); do echo "loops are overrated"; done