[06:08] <jaddi27> head_victim, Sorry for not sending out an email about the meeting tonight. It sort of crept up on me
[06:10] <head_victim> jaddi27: no worries, I just dented/tweeted it as well though
[06:11] <jaddi27> thanks for that. I created a Facebook event just then, but I don't think it will get out to many people due to how they have changed the events system
[06:50] <head_victim> jaddi27: I got it but I don't know if that's just because I"m admin or not
[08:59] <benonsoftware> Meeting in a minute right?
[09:03] <head_victim> benonsoftware: nearly an hour
[09:03] <benonsoftware> Ahh
[09:03] <benonsoftware> Daylight Savings tricked me :(
[09:04] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, meeting is at 9pm melbourne time (8pm brisbane)
[09:04] <jaddi27> ah, head_victim beat me to it
[09:04] <benonsoftware> Ok ;P
[09:04] <jaddi27> head_victim, good to know that you got the notification from Facebook. Hopefully others did also
[09:58] <benonsoftware> Meeting now am I right?
[09:59] <jaddi27> yes, basically now
[10:00] <benonsoftware> yay
[10:00] <jaddi27> #startmeeting Jan 2012 Team Meeting
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[10:00] <jaddi27> #chair head_victim sagaci
[10:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 sagaci
[10:00] <sagaci> good evening
[10:00] <fabricator4> Good evening everyone
[10:00] <jaddi27> Welcome everyone to the meeting. Agenda is at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/303/detail/
[10:00] <benonsoftware> Evening all
[10:01] <head_victim> Gday all
[10:01] <jaddi27> Could everyone say hello if they would like to be in the minutes
[10:01] <benonsoftware> Hello
[10:01] <fabricator4> 'ello
[10:01] <sagaci> yellow
[10:01] <fabricator4> strange fellow...
[10:02] <jaddi27> if there is nobody else, we may as well move to the first topic
[10:02] <jaddi27> #topic Ubuntu Global Jam
[10:03] <jaddi27> First topic of tonight, mainly headed by head_victim and sagaci (I am guessing)
[10:03] <head_victim> I wasn't even sure when the next global jam was due to be honest
[10:03] <sagaci> The Ubuntu Global Jam will be held around 2th-4th March, so hopefully we can get a few jams happening, even if they are just on IRC
[10:03] <benonsoftware> I should be free during then
[10:04] <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[10:04] <gorilla> sorry. I'm late :-/
[10:04] <jaddi27> welcome gorilla
[10:04] <sagaci> in addition to the translation jam, I'm looking to do a materials jam, creating posters, brochures and anything that could aid the team or go on spreadubuntu.org
[10:04] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:04] <jaddi27> sagaci, Hopefully we won't need much of a translation jam, based on the current status
[10:05] <sagaci> I'll send off an email to the mailing list soon reminding of the different jams available
[10:05] <head_victim> sagaci: the promo things sounds good. I'm pathetic at that sort of thing but always looking for more materials to promote with
[10:05] <sagaci> jaddi27: sort of, there are still mistakes to comb through
[10:05] <benonsoftware> What other sorts of jams are there?
[10:05] <jaddi27> yes, that is true
[10:05] <fabricator4> Bug Jam!
[10:06] <jaddi27> I'd like to help out with localisation, assuming they have sorted it out properly by then
[10:06] <sagaci> I'm not sure if a Materials Jam exists but there's no problem in creating one and see how it goes
[10:06] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:06] <jaddi27> sagaci, Sounds like a good idea to me
[10:07]  * benonsoftware has booked the weekend in his calendar :P
[10:07] <fabricator4> I can talk about resolutions in print media if it's of any help
[10:07] <jaddi27> fabricator4, I am sure that would be useful to ensure our media is properly created
[10:08] <sagaci> fabricator4: that would help
[10:08] <benonsoftware> If anyone is interested I could hold a Documentation Jam
[10:08] <fabricator4> No worries, I'll start thinking about a valid approach.  It's the biggest mistake people make when preparing materials.
[10:08] <head_victim> Well if someone is fluent in the Ubuntu trademark policy it would be helpful to have a talk on that during the promotional creation as well. All promotional material still needs to follow the guidelines.
[10:09] <sagaci> Legal JAm
[10:09] <benonsoftware> :P
[10:09] <jaddi27> I could look all that up
[10:09]  * benonsoftware start researching the guidlines too
[10:09] <jaddi27> I am fairly good with understanding rules
[10:09] <fabricator4> (how about keeping to them?  :-)
[10:09] <fabricator4> JOKE
[10:09] <benonsoftware> :P
[10:10] <jaddi27> fabricator4, fairly good with that too :)
[10:10] <sagaci> an ubuntu-au wiki jam could be useful too
[10:10] <jaddi27> (I knew my school's policies better than most teachers)
[10:10] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah the membership and meetings pages need an overhaul
[10:10] <jaddi27> sagaci, I agree with that
[10:10] <benonsoftware> Sounds good
[10:12] <jaddi27> I think we should create a list of things we are thinking of doing, and who is going to run them
[10:12] <benonsoftware> I wouldn't mind putting my hand up for running a Documentation based Jam
[10:12] <sagaci> so it's that Friday until Sunday so if anyone is thinking of doing something, it' d be a good idea to note it under our loco.ubuntu.com page as an event
[10:12] <jaddi27> sagaci, head_victim: Is the best way using blueprints on launchpad, or wiki pages?
[10:13] <sagaci> jaddi27: the wiki pages are just extra space to put the details
[10:13] <head_victim> jaddi27: blueprints would probably be the most correct place to use them. They are usually aimed at release cycles though
[10:13] <head_victim> Blueprints are basically just plans, you then decide which ones are priority enough to get done in the current cycle.
[10:13] <sagaci> sorry, I had the wrong context
[10:13] <Bodman456> Hey all
[10:13] <jaddi27> hi Bodman456
[10:14] <head_victim> Evening Bodman456 
[10:14] <Bodman456> sorry I'm late
[10:14] <benonsoftware> Hello Bodman456
[10:14] <sagaci> either or on the blueprint page whiteboard, or on a subpage of the ubuntu-au pages on the wiki
[10:14] <fabricator4> G'day
[10:14] <jaddi27> Bodman456, that is fine. We are just discussing Ubuntu Global Jam events
[10:14] <Bodman456> ok
[10:14] <jaddi27> sagaci, is one better than the other?
[10:15] <sagaci> i'd probably go with a wiki
[10:15] <jaddi27> (seeing as I know you have used both)
[10:15] <head_victim> jaddi27 & sagaci I think the wiki is a good place for a single thing, but if you want an ongoing plan with priorities than blueprints are the go
[10:15] <sagaci> zactly right
[10:16] <jaddi27> Ok. I think for the initial planning a blueprint would be the way to go, then we can have a wiki page at the end once details are sorted out (if we need to)
[10:16] <Bodman456> I'm leaning towards blueprints
[10:16] <sagaci> just set up a wiki page, something like Ubuntu-au jam plans and then create a table with name, event, time, etc
[10:16] <sagaci> and link to the loco.ubuntu.com events page
[10:16] <Bodman456> jaddi27: Good idea
[10:17] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[10:17] <sagaci> well you can have both but there's not much sense having two lists in two places
[10:17] <jaddi27> no, i realise that
[10:17] <sagaci> well three if you count loco.ubuntu.com
[10:18] <jaddi27> I think it would be best to create the l.u.c events once the events are a bit more set (what we are going to do, who is running them)
[10:18] <sagaci> good idea
[10:18] <jaddi27> so initially I was thinking of making a blueprint (or whiteboard) that can change
[10:18] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:18] <fabricator4> Sounds good.
[10:19] <sagaci> #action jaddi27 to create jam-ideas wiki page
[10:19] <meetingology> ACTION: jaddi27 to create jam-ideas wiki page
[10:19] <jaddi27> Ok. I will send an email once it is done
[10:20] <jaddi27> Is there anything else to add about the Ubuntu Global Jam?
[10:20] <sagaci> #idea get in earlier rather than later with your ideas :)
[10:20] <benonsoftware> :P
[10:21] <Bodman456> ;P
[10:21] <sagaci> #agree
[10:21] <sagaci> must be used in just votes :/
[10:21] <Bodman456> #agree
[10:21] <head_victim> Sounds good :)
[10:22] <jaddi27> Ok. I think we can move on to the second topic of tonight's meeting then
[10:22] <jaddi27> #topic Brisbane InstallFest
[10:22] <jaddi27> head_victim, over to you
[10:23] <head_victim> First of all, it went great :) Thanks to all who attended
[10:23] <benonsoftware> How many people attend?
[10:23] <head_victim> I have found a few things we could improve upon so I'm going to be doing a couple of website posts over the next few weeks to share the information
[10:23] <jaddi27> head_victim, sorry I couldn't come. I will make sure I get to one in June if it goes ahead
[10:23] <head_victim> benonsoftware: 20 - 25
[10:23] <head_victim> jaddi27: no worries
[10:24] <benonsoftware> Nice
[10:24] <head_victim> I know there has been a lot of chatter on the ml from us up in Brisbane lately, it's not like we want to take over so we were dicsussing trying to organise to coincide the next round of events with other locations to be more inclusive
[10:25] <benonsoftware> Are there any plans for Intsall Fests in other citites?
[10:25] <head_victim> benonsoftware: not that I'm aware of but I'm actually thinking the concept of the InstallFest isn't what would work best. I think something like an Open Day or Workshop would get more attendance.
[10:25] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, It depends on people in other cities having time to organise and run one
[10:25] <head_victim> Some people were interested in getting hands on with Ubuntu but not necessarily installing it so were a bit shy about it
[10:25] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:26] <gorilla> Linux.conf.au is wiping out a lot of people in Meblourne for spare time.
[10:26]  * benonsoftware should look into that
[10:26] <head_victim> gorilla: yes, we were actually thinking of splitting the release parties so there were 4 events a year. 2 purely social release parties, and 2 more hands on playing with stuff workshoppy type events a eyar.
[10:27] <head_victim> !LINK http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/
[10:27] <head_victim> #LINK http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/
[10:27] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:27] <gorilla> head_victim: Ahhh. sounds like an idea.
[10:27] <head_victim> I put up the photos I took of the day. Sorry I'm far from a professional but I think you can get the idea.
[10:27] <benonsoftware> :)
[10:28] <sagaci> installfest is a tad pretentious
[10:28] <head_victim> I've had lots of interest from other LoCo's about how I set up the server than ran the day as well so I'll be putting up a post on the ubuntu.org.au website about how it was done so we can all benefit from it
[10:28] <benonsoftware> gorilla: Just wondering is the linux.conf.au always in Melbourne?
[10:29] <benonsoftware>  /Victoria
[10:29] <sagaci> benonsoftware: last year it was in brisbane
[10:29] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, it moves around each year
[10:29] <sagaci> benonsoftware: it jumps around
[10:29] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:29]  * benonsoftware will then wait until it comes to VIC again :P
[10:29] <head_victim> sagaci: that's why we were thinking "Ubuntu Open Day" or "Ubuntu Workshop" would be a better title.
[10:29] <jaddi27> head_victim, sounds like a good idea for renaming
[10:30] <head_victim> I think the term open day actually conveys what we're trying to achive more than the term installfest.
[10:30] <head_victim> But, without actually doing it these are the sorts of things you don't think of :)
[10:31] <fabricator4> I would feel more comfortable with "open day"
[10:31] <head_victim> The venue is also important. We found that while the CBD was a central location it meant people had to lug around equipment too much and while there was plentiful parking it was costly.
[10:31] <benonsoftware> Yes, and it also needs to be close to public transport
[10:32] <gorilla> and also food outlets.
[10:32] <jaddi27> Brisbane city is certainly good for public transport, but parking like most cities is a problem
[10:32] <benonsoftware> Melbourne, its a shocker
[10:33] <head_victim> So we've worked out the main requirements are largish open area with tables and chairs, power points, tea/coffee facilities and accessibility. We only used about 350MB of internet usage on the main network for the whole day.
[10:33] <benonsoftware> Nice
[10:33] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, basically every bus route goes to the city a short distance from where the installfest was, which is good
[10:33] <head_victim> We requested those just browsing use their own dongles and so only those actually installing/updating/troubleshooting were using the wireless
[10:34] <benonsoftware> Nice
[10:35] <head_victim> So yeah, I'll try to get a writeup of the day on the website as a story and I will also knock up a brief technical how to on the server/network set up
[10:35] <jaddi27> head_victim, That would be great
[10:36] <head_victim> We'll also try to do one a year northside, one a year southside.
[10:36] <jaddi27> head_victim, is the city being central a better idea?
[10:37] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah but it's hard for people to lug equipment from expensive car parks was the downside. We're thinking of still using libraries but furhter out, like Garden City on the southside or Chermside on the north.
[10:38] <benonsoftware> Plus parking is not cheap
[10:38] <jaddi27> head_victim, makes sense. Garden City has a library, and meeting rooms I am fairly sure (I am on southside)
[10:39] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah all Brisbane City Libraries apparently have community meeting rooms that are free to book for library members
[10:39] <jaddi27> garden city parking is still free, chermside is free for 3 hrs
[10:39] <jaddi27> head_victim, the main thing is making sure the meeting rooms are big enough, as size varies
[10:39] <benonsoftware> I know that in Melbourne the State Library has cheap rates for library memebrs and community groups
[10:39] <head_victim> jaddi27: ah yeah, they were just generic examples, we hadn't discussed specifics other than probably one north one south would be useful.
[10:39] <jaddi27> head_victim, sounds good
[10:40] <head_victim> benonsoftware: we looked at the state library up here but their community rate was still 60 an hour so over 500 for the day.
[10:40] <Bodman456> I think the Garden City Library meeting rooms are big
[10:40] <Bodman456> I know they're bigger than the one in the Brisbane Square Library
[10:40] <benonsoftware> head_victim: I'll find out how much the Melbourne one is as I will go there soon
[10:40] <jaddi27> Bodman456, that is good to know. I haven't been there, as I am closer to Sunnybank Hills library
[10:40] <jaddi27> *been there much
[10:41] <head_victim> jaddi27 & Bodman456 sounds good, I haven't been to either so make sure they get a mention when the topic is discussed on the ML when we plan the next one :)
[10:41] <jaddi27> sure thing
[10:42] <Bodman456> No problem :)
[10:42] <jaddi27> Is there anything else to be said in this topic? I think this is the last one for tonight
[10:42] <head_victim> We also need to be talking about loco.u.c
[10:42] <head_victim> I had a text from a member this morning wondering where the installfest was as their online calendar said it was today :/
[10:43] <benonsoftware> I just want to add that sagaci and myself are running a User Days session on the 15th of Jan
[10:43] <Bodman456> :S
[10:43] <Bodman456> User Days?
[10:43] <benonsoftware> Whats yours on again sagaci
[10:43] <Bodman456> as in like install fests?
[10:43] <jaddi27> head_victim, the luc calendar has had so many issues raised, but it is not being fixed properly
[10:43] <benonsoftware> Bodman456: Ubuntu User Days, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[10:43] <sagaci> ubuntu equivalent programs, like libreoffices, etc
[10:44] <sagaci> office*
[10:44] <Bodman456> benonsoftware: TYVM
[10:44] <benonsoftware> and mine is joining in the Ubuntu Community
[10:44] <benonsoftware> Bodman456: ?
[10:44] <Bodman456> benonsoftware: TYVM = thank you very much :)
[10:44] <head_victim> benonsoftware & sagaci make sure you email the ML or create website (or both) for the details of your events so we all know excactly when and where
[10:45] <Bodman456> yeah
[10:45] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Ok
[10:45] <head_victim> Can I raise another topic that isn't on the agenda?
[10:46] <benonsoftware> I don't see why not as we are 15 minutes early
[10:46] <head_victim> Just quickly, I wanted to see if anyone had anything to comment on about the new website.
[10:46] <sagaci> already done mine :)
[10:46] <jaddi27> head_victim, sure. just use the topic tag to start it
[10:46] <Bodman456> I like it
[10:46] <head_victim> #topic New Team Website
[10:46] <jaddi27> head_victim, I think it looks much better
[10:46] <fabricator4> It looks neat
[10:46] <benonsoftware> Ah also
[10:47] <benonsoftware> ubuntu.com.au is broken :p
[10:47] <Bodman456> Yeah
[10:47] <Bodman456> As I found out at the installfest, XD
[10:47] <head_victim> benonsoftware: yeah that's just because of how we're setting it up. Once we're happy it will go across both. Sorry for the inconveniance.
[10:47] <benonsoftware> No thats no problem for me
[10:48] <head_victim> We've got great people working on the launchpad integration which should make creating website ocntent a lot easier.
[10:48] <jaddi27> actually head_victim, the main website is not up at the moment either
[10:48] <head_victim> The goal is that any member of the launchpad ubuntuau team can create content, which will then email the website admins to publish the content.
[10:49] <sagaci> head_victim: I uploaded 2 more screencasts to youtube to early this morning
[10:49] <head_victim> sagaci: nice work, I'll dent/tweet them, jaddi27 feel free to mention them on FB
[10:50] <jaddi27> ok. where are they located?
[10:50] <head_victim> http://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuAU 
[10:50] <sagaci> I reported a minor typo bug but within half an hour, someone had fixed it upstream
[10:52] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:52] <jaddi27> head_victim, who can we contact with website bugs? There is a theme function problem at the moment rendering the content section with an error
[10:52] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah I was just going to ping the relevant people
[10:53] <head_victim> I'm not sure what happened there, it's been working great for the last week or two.
[10:54] <benonsoftware> Have we ever thought of hosting the site ourselves?
[10:54] <fabricator4> Headache+
[10:54] <head_victim> benonsoftware: it's not really feasible. That would rely on one person for everything. This way there is continuity of service with canonical.
[10:55] <gorilla> benonsoftware: hosting isn't a trivial exercise.. don't go there.
[10:55] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[10:55] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, it is easier leaving it with canonical as they cover the hosting costs and provide a good link with the main ubuntu infrastructure
[10:55] <head_victim> For example, if I hosted it but I got busy in real life and dropped off the face of Ubuntu for a few months what would happen :/
[10:56] <gorilla> the same thing could happen to me in the next few months.
[10:56] <fabricator4> Hey, he nearly lasted the whole hour this time  :-)
[10:56] <head_victim> At least this way if I do drop off the face of ubuntu someone can contact canonical and request changes still
[10:56] <benonsoftware> Yes
[10:57] <head_victim> They allow us to admin the drupal and accept requests to install modules so it's not a bad arrangement. It's a little up and down just lately because we're making lots of changes. Previously it's been rock solid for months an dmonths at a time.
[10:57] <gorilla> for redundancy, it needs to stay with Canonical.
[10:57] <Bodman456> Yeah
[10:58] <Bodman456> Leave it to Canonical and their server farm
[10:58] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:58] <jaddi27> head_victim, an error like at the moment is where it would be nice to have server access - the error should just be one small code fix knowing drupal themes
[10:58] <head_victim> All we generally do is select admins from the list of users regularly contributing to the website content.
[10:58] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah, that's the only tradeoff
[10:58] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:59] <gorilla> head_victim: some of the better admins are not developers. Devops tend to hack on a live system untill it appear to work.
[10:59] <jaddi27> If there is nothing else, I will close the meeting and this can continue for a bit afterwards
[10:59] <benonsoftware> Ok
[11:00] <head_victim> gorilla: I'm sure the Canonical staff are well trained :)
[11:00] <head_victim> jaddi27: sounds good
[11:00] <gorilla> head_victim: Sure :-)
[11:00] <gorilla> jaddi27: go for it. I think.
[11:00] <jaddi27> Thanks to everyone for coming tonight. See you all for the next meeting, on Sun Feb 12
[11:00] <jaddi27> #endmeeting
[11:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jan  8 11:00:56 2012 UTC.  
[11:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-01-08-10.00.moin.txt
[11:00] <benonsoftware> I'll write the team reports in the morning if no-one minds
[11:01] <fabricator4> Good night everyone
[11:01] <jaddi27> bye fabricator4. Thanks for coming
[11:01] <benonsoftware> also I think I wont be able to attend the meeting due to school :(
[11:01] <benonsoftware> What would be a good and cheap laptop for UBuntu dev?
[11:01] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, I understand that. At least the new meetingology bot works well at recording minutes
[11:02] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[11:02] <head_victim> benonsoftware: sounds good :)
[11:02] <Bodman456> See you's all on the mailing list :)
[11:02] <head_victim> benonsoftware: laptops are only as good as you can afford :)
[11:02] <benonsoftware> Sorry I havn't been active the past few months
[11:02] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, any laptop should work. 
[11:02] <benonsoftware> Ok
[11:02] <benonsoftware> I gotta go
[11:02] <head_victim> benonsoftware: thinkpads are all the rage but I know system76 ship to AU now as well
[11:05] <jaddi27> head_victim, I might try to organise a Ubuntu session at UQ through the computing society
[11:06] <head_victim> jaddi27: cool, last year HUMBUG organised an intro talk to the O week'ers
[11:06] <jaddi27> I must have missed that one
[11:10] <head_victim> We dontated the left over CDs from LCA to distribute.
[11:11] <jaddi27> ah, ok. I do know about the CDs - the computing society had them, so there must be some common people between the two
[11:33] <jaddi27> sagaci, when is your ubuntu member meeting?
[11:34] <sagaci> two sleeps away
[11:35] <head_victim> jaddi27: you thinking about membership yourself?
[11:35] <jaddi27> head_victim, I have thought about it, but was not sure if I had really done enough
[11:36] <sagaci> I dropped out of tonight's meeting due to a storm
[11:36] <head_victim> jaddi27: what I'd suggest is, organise your wiki page as though you are going for it and then ask a couple of people what they think. I'd be more than happy to help you out.
[11:36] <head_victim> sagaci: ah bad one?
[11:36] <sagaci> bad enough to want to turn computers off
[11:36] <jaddi27> sagaci, very close now. would it be useful for us to attend the meeting? (and where is it, if it is?)
[11:36] <sagaci> #ubuntu-meeting
[11:37] <sagaci> our tuesday night at 8pm Brisbane time, iirc
[11:37] <head_victim> That's the correct time :)
[11:38] <jaddi27> Ok. I will try to make it along
[11:39] <head_victim> If you can't make it just write him a quick testimonial  :)
[11:40] <jaddi27> head_victim, I have done that, but would like to see how it all works
[11:40] <sagaci> jaddi27: did you get your unmetered issue sorted
[11:41] <head_victim> jaddi27: ah ok cool. Well, I'll be there :)
[11:42] <jaddi27> Yes, I did in the end. Bigpond did something to fix it up, which is nice. Then on Dec 24 we changed all our plans around, so we now have 200gb on 100mbps cable (just waiting for he new router to arrive). Shouldn't need to worry about unmetered usage much now
[11:42] <head_victim> I was thinking about the 100mbps but then realised, it's another 10bucks a month plus the cost of the new router and I can't justify it :/
[11:43] <head_victim> You'll have to let me know if it really makes much of a difference in normal browsing and stuff (I don't use torrents or p2p stuff).
[11:43] <jaddi27> we are now on a bundle (home phone + cable) all for $99 per month - works out to be cheaper for us than what we were on
[11:43] <jaddi27> sure thing. I am hoping it is a noticeable increase
[11:44] <head_victim> Yeah I pay 180 a month for home phone, cable, wireless broadband and 2x 50/month mobiles
[11:44] <head_victim> So my phone, cable and wireless broadband work out to 80 a month.
[11:44] <jaddi27> we changed the plans because we got a iphone on a $59 plan
[11:45] <head_victim> Ah yeah, the wife just pays 10 a month for hers (she got an iphone4 when it first came out)
[11:45] <jaddi27> on paper it looks more, but we are getting a fair bit extra for the slight cost increase, which is nice from telstra
[11:45] <head_victim> I've always found as long as everything you want is through them they're more than reasonable. It's onyl when you want a one off service that it's expensive.
[11:46] <jaddi27> Yes, that is true
[11:46] <head_victim> And their service is actually pretty good (speed, stability, etc) for mobiles and cable anyway
[11:48] <jaddi27> coverage is by far the best I have seen
[11:48] <jaddi27> head_victim, Should I structure my wiki page like yours or sagaci's or is there a template to use?
[11:49] <head_victim> As long as it's not too hard to follow it should be ok.
[11:49] <head_victim> I want to change mine a bit to split up the years. It wasn't a big problem when you only have a year or two but when I've now got several years worth of stuff it would prbably make more sense.
[11:50] <head_victim> Basically content is more important than structure as long as it's easy to follow.
[11:50] <jaddi27> Ok. I will try to sort something out.
[11:50] <sagaci> jaddi27: there's a template I used, i'll go find it
[11:51] <jaddi27> head_victim, what is involved with the Ubuntu Beginners Group? Is it the recommended thing to do?
[11:51] <head_victim> jaddi27: what I've found with the ubuntu community is, you'll be much more useful doing whatever it is you're interested in :)
[11:52] <head_victim> The beginners team is kind of in a change phase right now, and it's needing some strong leadership to drive it forward. 
[11:52] <jaddi27> Yes, I find that also. I quite like open source communities for that aspect of it
[11:53] <sagaci> a bit of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MembershipTemplate and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/yourname
[11:53] <head_victim> I'm a natural organiser so the loco fits in well with my lack of tech capabilites 
[11:55] <jaddi27> sagaci, thanks for that
[11:56] <jaddi27> head_victim, are you going to be standing up in the beginners team to help drive the changes?
[11:57] <head_victim> jaddi27: I'd probably like to but I'm struggling to fulfill the commitments I already have
[11:57] <jaddi27> that is understandable
[12:00] <head_victim> Alright, I should be off. Early start in the morning
[12:00] <head_victim> Thanks both of you for your efforts, I'll catch you around :)
[12:00] <jaddi27> see you later head_victim
[12:01] <sagaci> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/303/detail/
[12:01] <sagaci> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/316/detail/
[12:02] <head_victim> Before I forget, done