| mhall119 | we probably don't want that many though | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| mhall119 | my laptop almost died trying to render than many | 00:00 |
| mcbaine1 | i thnk this needs to be specifically forked to six sides for uubuntu tv | 00:00 |
| mhall119 | why 6? | 00:00 |
| mcbaine1 | A,media:video/pictures/audiofiles. B, desktop c, tv interface ... anything else ?? | 00:01 |
| mcbaine1 | U.B.U.N.T.U = 6 | 00:02 |
| mhall119 | I think "desktop" is going to be the currently playing media | 00:02 |
| mhall119 | tv guide and content manager would be overlays like the Dash | 00:02 |
| mhall119 | I don't see a use for a traditional desktop space on a TV | 00:03 |
| mcbaine1 | "desktop" is the Ubuntu 11.10 gui , "tv guide" is a video file subscreen, As far as a traditional desktop space on a TV this wouls solidify UBUNTU as No.1 in the internet TV market by far... | 00:04 |
| mcbaine1 | ... and this is my concern.... dude. | 00:05 |
| mcbaine1 | all of these subscreen are accessed by a simple 'button' on the remote control as BGates ried to ndo .. but we will succeed where he failed.. | 00:07 |
| mcbaine1 | I already have a sketchup of a U.box remote control ... just exporting.... :) | 00:07 |
| AlanBell | the horizontal limit is 32 sides, and it can be 32 tall. Both are crazy big, and you can probably increase them with a simple hack if you really wanted to | 00:08 |
| AlanBell | oh, and you can have lots of entire desktops, so total space is probably 32^3 | 00:09 |
| mcbaine1 | AlanBell, :: the hack only needs to be 6 sides imho. | 00:09 |
| AlanBell | 36 desktops, so 32x32x36, that is kind of a lot | 00:09 |
| mcbaine1 | AlanBell, incl 'top' and 'bottom' ... | 00:10 |
| AlanBell | no hack needed for 6 sides | 00:10 |
| AlanBell | top and bottom are a bit special I think, you can just put an image on them or a slideshow | 00:10 |
| mcbaine1 | but does this include 'top' and 'bottom' ?? | 00:10 |
| AlanBell | in standard compiz that is | 00:10 |
| mcbaine1 | top/bottom needs to be used for full effect.... :) | 00:11 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but they are not the same shape or aspect ratio as the screen | 00:12 |
| mcbaine1 | ...yet.. | 00:12 |
| AlanBell | they are hexagonal if you have 6 faces | 00:12 |
| * tgm4883 reads backlog | 00:12 | |
| * popey tickles tgm4883 | 00:12 | |
| * tgm4883 scowles at popey | 00:12 | |
| popey | \o/ | 00:12 |
| popey | noted | 00:12 |
| mcbaine1 | AlanBell, :: i'm proposing a simple cube incl. use of top/bottom.. | 00:13 |
| AlanBell | with 16:9 aspect ratio on the sides? | 00:13 |
| mcbaine1 | (6 sides) | 00:13 |
| AlanBell | what is the aspect ratio of the top and bottom? | 00:13 |
| tgm4883 | i've skimmed the last 30 minutes, why do we want a 3D ui? | 00:14 |
| mcbaine1 | remainder of 16:9 side's length squared. | 00:14 |
| AlanBell | mcbaine1: yup, it is a square | 00:15 |
| AlanBell | which is why it doesn't get used much for desktop compiz | 00:15 |
| AlanBell | tgm4883: we are just randomly rambling | 00:15 |
| tgm4883 | AlanBell, I see | 00:15 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, :: we're just seeing if it's practically usefull for the 'A,B,C' SCREENS AS PROPOSED 00.01 utc | 00:15 |
| * AlanBell rambles off to bed. night all o/ | 00:16 | |
| tgm4883 | is there a mockup somewhere? | 00:16 |
| * mcbaine1 IS ANNOYED THAT USER'S QUIT WHEN IT IS JUST GETTING INTERESTING ... :( | 00:16 | |
| mcbaine1 | soz for caps. | 00:17 |
| tgm4883 | wait, are you proposing the compiz cube for the TV? | 00:17 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, yes conceptually so far.. | 00:17 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, eww | 00:18 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, plz be specific.. | 00:18 |
| tgm4883 | I think this is where the argument "just because we can, doesn't mean we should" comes from | 00:18 |
| mcbaine1 | how so ?? | 00:18 |
| tgm4883 | so what exactly would you use the cube for? | 00:18 |
| tgm4883 | obviously for multiple sides, but what would you put on each side and why | 00:19 |
| mcbaine1 | here's my logic... | 00:19 |
| tgm4883 | if you've already said this, just tell me to read the backlog | 00:19 |
| mcbaine1 | read backlog "<mcbaine1> A,media:video/pictures/audiofiles. B, desktop c, tv interface" | 00:19 |
| mcbaine1 | some 18 mins ago... | 00:20 |
| mcbaine1 | i actually have an 8 sided mock up for my project but that cos it a gaming interface.. | 00:21 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, u still there ?? | 00:23 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, I'm not sure why we A) need a cube in the traditional sense (software running on each side which consumes resources), and B) would want the type of flipping produced changing from one side to another | 00:23 |
| tgm4883 | yea, i read the backlog, but I do have to leave in a few minutes | 00:23 |
| tgm4883 | I agree with mhall119 on this regarding the desktop | 00:23 |
| mcbaine1 | so does the inventiveness of this project :( | 00:23 |
| tgm4883 | most people don't want the desktop on a TV | 00:25 |
| tgm4883 | we've discussed a few types of apps that would benefit, but other than that it's a little much | 00:25 |
| mcbaine1 | but it does exist in a watered dow form already for browsing ... | 00:25 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 00:26 |
| tgm4883 | which is what people want | 00:26 |
| tgm4883 | tv's are an applicance | 00:26 |
| tgm4883 | most people don't want to write a word doc on their TV | 00:26 |
| mcbaine1 | 'appliance' ?? | 00:27 |
| tgm4883 | for those that do, we've discussed certain ways of handling it | 00:27 |
| tgm4883 | like a toaster | 00:27 |
| tgm4883 | non-complicated | 00:27 |
| * tgm4883 has to leave in like 1 minutes | 00:27 | |
| mcbaine1 | so does the inventiveness of this project :( | 00:28 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, regarding people leaving, the people that have left are from europe and likely went to bed. You've caught me on a saturday evening | 00:28 |
| mcbaine1 | k | 00:29 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, regarding the " inventiveness of this project ", people like things simple. If we can bring people awesome things simply, thats great. There is no need to bring people complicated stuff | 00:29 |
| tgm4883 | if it's complicated, then people will choose other things | 00:29 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, I would love to continue this conversation at another time as I have to go now. I am pacific time zone of the USA, so look me up at another normal time. | 00:30 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, AlanBell, popey, mhall119 :: Aloha from Isle of Man... ! | 16:59 |
| AlanBell | http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ | 16:59 |
| AlanBell | pin plz | 16:59 |
| mcbaine1 | what does 'pin' mean ?? | 17:03 |
| mcbaine1 | AlanBell, :: What does the term ... 'pin' mean ?? | 17:05 |
| AlanBell | you can put a pin on the map | 17:05 |
| mcbaine1 | oh yes sorry saw the video .. atmo. | 17:06 |
| mcbaine1 | AlanBell, After watching the video, I realise that I as much to do with 'http://ubuntu-uk' as here http://www.nature.nps.gov/air/WebCams/parks/sekicam/sekilargerimage.cfm | 17:13 |
| mcbaine1 | I therefore will not try to be something that I AM NOT. | 17:14 |
| mcbaine1 | imnichol, :: Hi , Aloha .. | 17:16 |
| mcbaine1 | AlanBell, I did a picture in 'pencil' last night for you about using compiz in Ubuntu - tv if you are interested.. | 17:18 |
| imnichol | Hey everyone, glad to see some action! | 17:18 |
| mcbaine1 | imnichol, :: topic is still compiz in Ubunu TV at the moment... | 17:19 |
| imnichol | I seem to remember that one of the Canonical employees was going to do some write-up about what their plans were. Did anything happen with that or was it just my imagination? | 17:21 |
| imnichol | (their plans with regard to UTV) | 17:21 |
| mcbaine1 | imnichol, Note UTV is an irish trade mark entity (whereas Ubu-TV is not ) | 17:22 |
| mcbaine1 | imnichol, :: I have no links to that effect... | 17:23 |
| imnichol | I think it was on the mailing list | 17:24 |
| mcbaine1 | link ??? | 17:24 |
| imnichol | It was Thomas Mashos on 3/1/2012 | 17:26 |
| imnichol | Hold on a sec, I'll find it | 17:26 |
| imnichol | https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/msg00116.html | 17:27 |
| mcbaine1 | opening... | 17:29 |
| mcbaine1 | imnichol, seems to focus on http://kotaku.com/5444951/just-how-wii+like-is-lgs-magic-motion-tv-remote ... any comments ?? | 17:31 |
| imnichol | I don't really care about the Wii thing | 17:31 |
| imnichol | I was referencing this part: "While I think custom hardware might not be out of scope, I think we | 17:32 |
| imnichol | will know more tomorrow (hopefully, Will Cooke said he was writing up | 17:32 |
| imnichol | a doc to give us a little direction)." | 17:32 |
| mcbaine1 | oh ok .. so this was a non-event thing ?? | 17:34 |
| imnichol | What was a non-event thing? | 17:46 |
| mcbaine1 | exactly .. it didn't happen ! ( -1) ::: Here's my work on compiz on Ubuntu (although I've used a derivative for the purpose of discussion) shown below ::: | 17:50 |
| mcbaine | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/trisquel%20comiz%20-tv%20%23chl..odt | 17:50 |
| mcbaine1 | wrong file wait a mo.. | 17:51 |
| mcbaine1 | cant find it looks like i wasted 2 hrs last night :( .. still looking anyway... | 17:53 |
| imnichol | Lame | 17:55 |
| imnichol | Let me know if you find it | 17:55 |
| mcbaine1 | i'll have to do it again... | 17:56 |
| mcbaine1 | wait an half-hour or so.... | 17:56 |
| mcbaine1 | pecil on firefox just crashed.. +15mins... | 18:04 |
| mcbaine1 | **pencil.. | 18:04 |
| mcbaine1 | Hi MrChrisDruif :: Aloha. | 18:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | Aloha mcbaine1 | 18:26 |
| mcbaine1 | oh hi soz.. | 18:30 |
| mcbaine1 | MrChrisDruif, Why are peole in the US so hostile to chatting about SW improvements to the likes of MythTV etc.. ?? | 18:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | Why do you make assumption on where people are from? | 18:36 |
| imnichol | Who's been hostile? | 19:06 |
| imnichol | Don't answer that on second thought | 19:06 |
| imnichol | I don't want to know names | 19:06 |
| imnichol | But I wasn't aware that there's been hostility | 19:06 |
| MrChrisDruif | imnichol; you don't want to know | 19:08 |
| imnichol | Hahah | 19:08 |
| imnichol | Is this another iteration of the "unity vs. mythtv" thing? | 19:09 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, it wasn't me | 19:12 |
| tgm4883 | it was willcooke | 19:12 |
| imnichol | Yeah I saw that, didn't articulate it well | 19:12 |
| tgm4883 | ah yea, just read that part | 19:12 |
| tgm4883 | what is this hostility thing? | 19:13 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine, what are you talking about | 19:13 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, ^^ | 19:13 |
| mcbaine1 | i just abit depessed at the lack of open-thnking i guess .. | 19:13 |
| * MrChrisDruif missed the part with willcooke | 19:13 | |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine, specifics? | 19:15 |
| * mcbaine1 can't recal 'willcooke' either but i heard that you said he was in executive team of ubuntu-tv or similiar ? | 19:15 | |
| tgm4883 | he's canonical | 19:15 |
| tgm4883 | IIRC an Engineering Manager | 19:16 |
| tgm4883 | but what is this "lack of open-thinking"? | 19:16 |
| tgm4883 | is this regarding the cube? | 19:16 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, :: Oh where, oh where, to begin ...... (1-3) | 19:16 |
| tgm4883 | how about from the start | 19:17 |
| mcbaine1 | 1, I talk to peope for 5 hours straight then when it gets interesting at a pivotal point of discussion they say they'll have a thnk about it and go to bed.. | 19:17 |
| tgm4883 | that has zero to do with open thinking | 19:18 |
| tgm4883 | it has more to do with time zones | 19:18 |
| mcbaine1 | 2, Any talk of actually hw ramification of addressing to Ubuntu 'may-be's' and 'possibilities' of the project and how that can relate to hware and i get No, No, No, all of the time without any enlightenment as to why or "OK, but here's the 'issue' with that so far " kinda talk .. I get depressed as I tunker with media-box hware all the time.. | 19:20 |
| mcbaine1 | 3, **tinker | 19:20 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, I'm reading backlog for some of this | 19:22 |
| imnichol | I really wish Canonical would partner with System76 or something for hardware | 19:23 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, I disagree, they need to have a reach that extends further than System76 | 19:24 |
| imnichol | Sorry to go off topic, but that idea's been kicking around in my mind for a while and I just remembered it | 19:24 |
| imnichol | tgm4883, I mean that I'd like to be able to go to canonical.com and buy a laptop online from their site | 19:24 |
| imnichol | In the same way that you can(I think) buy apple hardware and have it delivered by going to apple.com | 19:24 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, sorry for this taking so long, I'm in the middle of the part where you argue that pencil isn't good enough to do sketchup's in. Hardly a point worth arguing IMO | 19:25 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, i'd rather walk into walmart and buy a ubuntu tv | 19:25 |
| tgm4883 | or best buy | 19:25 |
| mcbaine1 | 3, Any SW improvements improvements and the whole project seems to be dominated by some black cloud of 'but that's not possible atmo.' instead of what we need to do to address the concepts and possibilities of putting a Ubuntu like O/S on a television is met like this for example ...: http://www.xtreamer.net/xtreamer-prodigy-upgraded/ This is where we should be heading ...imho | 19:25 |
| imnichol | That would also be good | 19:25 |
| imnichol | I'm not saying partner exclusively | 19:25 |
| * mcbaine1 drinks his milk... | 19:26 | |
| imnichol | But I've heard a lot of people complaining that Canonical isn't a hardware company | 19:27 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, .... | 19:27 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, Your comments at this point before we (as per usual) get into what canonical ISN'T | 19:27 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine, | 19:29 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, ok, I've looked at the link you posted, and skimmed most of the conversation from yesterday | 19:30 |
| tgm4883 | sec | 19:30 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, ::: ... and ?? | 19:30 |
| tgm4883 | You seem to have some decent ideas. I think you are a bit misinformed about what is needed/necessary in hardware requirements for to achieve what is wanted, and you seem a bit unwilling to accept that some of your points are incorrect (to the point where you ironically just call everyone else close minded) | 19:34 |
| tgm4883 | That said, i'll give you some of my time today if you'd like to discuss any of this | 19:35 |
| mcbaine1 | sure.. but im growing remember... | 19:35 |
| tgm4883 | as is this project | 19:35 |
| mcbaine1 | So the question is why is Ubuntu unwilling from a technological pov to partner with amedia center company like xtreeamer.net ?? | 19:36 |
| AlanBell | who said they were? | 19:37 |
| tgm4883 | xtreamer.net, ok, lets talk about what they really are | 19:37 |
| AlanBell | they have gone to CES to find interesting partners | 19:37 |
| tgm4883 | they have a piece of hardware that they have written what appears to be a proprietary OS for | 19:38 |
| AlanBell | streamer.net does not to me look like a promising partner | 19:38 |
| mcbaine1 | http://xtreamer.net/ultra/ .. ? | 19:38 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine, what about it? | 19:39 |
| mcbaine1 | you can install any o/s on it that you want to ... | 19:39 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, whats your point? | 19:39 |
| mcbaine1 | Why is Canonical not priortising this as a major improvement over the whole TV debate .. | 19:40 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, AlanBell :: Note this exact same debate is being played out in #trisquel atmo. | 19:41 |
| AlanBell | you are confusing me | 19:42 |
| AlanBell | they have a stand at CES and you are saying they are not prioritising TV | 19:42 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, with all due respect, wtf are you talking about? | 19:42 |
| mcbaine1 | OK OK l;et me be specific .... | 19:42 |
| mcbaine1 | If we have the TV hw (in some form & not quite 'IN' the TV itself) and we have the operating system that can be used on any TV then why aren't we talking about the sw improvements needed to bring-this-forward to the Ubuntu/PC/TV edge that we are at @ the moment ?? | 19:45 |
| * mcbaine1 drnks his milk .. | 19:46 | |
| imnichol | I'm confused by this part: "why aren't we talking about the sw improvements needed to bring-this-forward to the Ubuntu/PC/TV edge that we are at @ the moment" | 19:46 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, so your question is "why aren't we talking about what improvements need to be made to Unity to make it usable with a remote on the TV"? | 19:47 |
| imnichol | I can't figure out what you mean | 19:47 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, i think he means ^^ | 19:47 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, would that be correct? | 19:47 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, We can talk about the remote issue also.. but don't have a cow, man. | 19:47 |
| tgm4883 | ??? | 19:48 |
| mcbaine1 | ..the remote.. | 19:48 |
| tgm4883 | i was questioning the "don't have a cow, man" | 19:48 |
| * mcbaine1 drink his milky milk. | 19:48 | |
| tgm4883 | popey, ping | 19:49 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, so then you are asking, "why aren't we talking about what improvements need to be made to Unity to make it usable on the TV"? | 19:50 |
| tgm4883 | is that correct | 19:50 |
| mcbaine1 | well yes using the http://xtreamer.net/ultra/ as an parrallel example ofwhere the real world is atmo. | 19:51 |
| imnichol | I think that we've spent a decent chunk of the last few months talking about just that | 19:51 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, yes, all of that has been discussed quite a bit | 19:52 |
| mcbaine1 | wow half an hour and i thnk we got square 1 of a decent debate on the horizon... | 19:52 |
| tgm4883 | see, it's comments like that that make people hate you | 19:53 |
| mcbaine1 | imnichol, tgm4883 "we've spent a decent chunk of the last few months talking about that "But how does that help me... ??? | 19:53 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, idk, maybe you should read the links in the topic | 19:53 |
| imnichol | All of the planning so far is documented in the links up at the top | 19:54 |
| imnichol | All of the planning so far is documented in the links up at the top | 19:54 |
| mcbaine1 | i'm on .. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv where do i go... plz be specific. | 19:55 |
| * tgm4883 sighs | 19:55 | |
| tgm4883 | try http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV and http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV-Issues | 19:55 |
| mcbaine1 | i know but you just give palmed offansweres and i sigh and reach for more milk :( | 19:55 |
| imnichol | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV-Issues | 19:56 |
| mcbaine1 | opening... | 19:56 |
| imnichol | Beaten | 19:56 |
| mcbaine1 | ok beaten hey ?? do you wanna work top/down or bottom/up ?? | 19:57 |
| imnichol | What do you mean? | 19:58 |
| * mcbaine1 drnks more milk... | 19:58 | |
| mcbaine1 | the friggin' page links ... & their issues .. | 19:59 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, he wants to discuss the issues | 19:59 |
| imnichol | Oh ok | 19:59 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine, we've discussed it many times, so I'll let you choose, but I'm only going to give you maybe an hour more of my sunday | 20:01 |
| mcbaine1 | report: 1 hour and a litre of milk later and square 1 of the debate appears closer because it's become so large and ambigious in it's manner... but it's actually further away..it's | 20:02 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, how old are you? | 20:02 |
| tgm4883 | cause you are kinda all over the place | 20:03 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, :: 1 hour .. 1 refer to 19:17 (1) .. AFas.. age I'm 30's. | 20:03 |
| tgm4883 | is english your first language? | 20:04 |
| mcbaine1 | no manx. | 20:04 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 20:04 |
| mcbaine1 | traa dy liorr.. | 20:04 |
| imnichol | mcbaine1, which issues on the list are you concerned about? | 20:05 |
| mcbaine1 | issue choosing then... | 20:05 |
| mcbaine1 | give us a mo. | 20:05 |
| mcbaine1 | Extending a desktop to the TV device | 20:05 |
| mcbaine1 | On the TV device side, an app that shows the shared content. On the desktop side, the ability to share full desktop or just a specific window (similar to how you move a application to a new workspace). The TV device would need to keep the aspect ratio/resolution of the application and possibly also scale up the font sizes | 20:05 |
| mcbaine1 | plz define ' shared content ' & 'TV device' | 20:07 |
| tgm4883 | shared content - like a video on your desktop | 20:07 |
| tgm4883 | tv device - the ubuntu tv | 20:07 |
| imnichol | The "TV Device" is the Ubuntu TV, and the "shared content" would be whatever you wanted to display on your tv | 20:07 |
| mcbaine1 | plz define applications used for this service ... plz. | 20:08 |
| tgm4883 | I don't know what that means | 20:08 |
| mcbaine1 | I thnk this is merely a c++ issue isn't it ? | 20:09 |
| tgm4883 | oh, you want to know what applications we're going to use to do this? | 20:09 |
| mcbaine1 | yes for exampl .. ? | 20:09 |
| tgm4883 | yea these would probably be new applications | 20:10 |
| mcbaine1 | k lets discuss.. | 20:10 |
| mcbaine1 | icecat can play webm afaik .. | 20:10 |
| mcbaine1 | soz firefox.. | 20:10 |
| imnichol | mcbaine1, the problem is that we don't know exactly what the user will want to show | 20:11 |
| mcbaine1 | or would this be another application ...? | 20:11 |
| tgm4883 | so there is two types of content to share, media and non-media | 20:11 |
| tgm4883 | media would be played using the built in media player of the Ubuntu-TV | 20:12 |
| mcbaine1 | imnichol, the user would like to show something like : video:webm/mpeg, audio:mp3+sbs, pics: jpeg200 ?? | 20:12 |
| tgm4883 | non-media is unknown | 20:12 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, we wouldn't use icecat nor firefox for that | 20:12 |
| tgm4883 | ideally it would be the built in player of ubuntu-tv | 20:13 |
| mcbaine1 | multiple application for this ?? | 20:13 |
| mcbaine1 | **applications.. ?? | 20:13 |
| imnichol | Maybe the UbuntuTV will probably have a daemon listening for connections from other devices, and then display that content using whatever application it wants | 20:13 |
| mcbaine1 | imnichol, how ?? | 20:14 |
| imnichol | So if you want to show a picture that is on your camera, your camera connects to the TV and transfers the file for the TV to open | 20:14 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, mcbaine1, I envision it similar to workspaces for non-media apps | 20:15 |
| imnichol | Then the TV sees that the file is a picture, and opens the picture with a picture viewing program | 20:15 |
| mcbaine1 | sureshot ?? | 20:15 |
| tgm4883 | IDK sureshot | 20:15 |
| mcbaine1 | soz shotwell.. | 20:15 |
| tgm4883 | well not shotwell likely, as that is more editing isn't it? | 20:16 |
| mcbaine1 | only redeye afaik.. | 20:17 |
| mcbaine1 | & its not well received atmo anyay.. amongst fsf etc.. | 20:18 |
| imnichol | Probably more like gnome image viewer or something else | 20:18 |
| mcbaine1 | **anyway.. | 20:18 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, yea I was trying to remember the name of that "eye of gnome?" | 20:18 |
| mcbaine1 | if it doesn't print and correct redeye I'll have to pass anyway.. | 20:19 |
| mhall119 | so right now if you plug in a camera, it's probably going to open Shotwell to import the pictures | 20:20 |
| mhall119 | shotwell has a viewer, or it can pass the file to eog | 20:20 |
| mcbaine1 | mhall119, correctamondo | 20:20 |
| tgm4883 | why would you want to do that on your TV | 20:20 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: ideally it wouldn't matter where you do it, as it would all be backed by Ubuntu One anyway | 20:20 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, well you don't want things to get overcomplicated | 20:20 |
| mcbaine1 | tgm4883, so you can take pictures and display/edit them together like a panorama (tv's are bigger) .. | 20:21 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, yes, but they usually have poorer resolution | 20:21 |
| tgm4883 | plus, you then need a keyboard and mouse | 20:21 |
| tgm4883 | at that point, it's likely you will just have another computer | 20:21 |
| mhall119 | yeah, even high-def tv's aren't much better than a normal laptop screen | 20:22 |
| mcbaine1 | its the functionality bof the big screen which is the major asset to panorama projects.. | 20:22 |
| mcbaine1 | **big | 20:22 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, just because you say it has added functionality, doesn't mean it does | 20:22 |
| mhall119 | it's not so big when you're ten feet away | 20:22 |
| tgm4883 | it's actually smaller in resolution | 20:22 |
| mcbaine1 | resolution is a sml issue here.. you can see more of the panorama that you are putting together .. | 20:23 |
| mhall119 | so I did a test when I was making my tv mockups | 20:23 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, do you understand resolution? | 20:23 |
| AlanBell | it is a high resolution, 1920x1200, but things should be nice and chunky | 20:23 |
| mhall119 | and my droid X screen from arm's distance takes up the same field of view as my TV from across the room | 20:23 |
| AlanBell | anyhow, what do you think they will be unveiling tomorrow at CES? | 20:24 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, you need a bigger TV then ;) | 20:24 |
| mcbaine1 | resolution is how many pixels per inch are on the screen i guess. | 20:24 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: or a smaller room? | 20:24 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine, no, pixels total | 20:24 |
| AlanBell | or a bigger phone | 20:24 |
| mhall119 | either way, the point is that the TV isn't going to give you more visual room | 20:24 |
| AlanBell | or shorter arms | 20:24 |
| * mcbaine1 drnks more milk.. | 20:25 | |
| * tgm4883 votes for shorter arms ;) | 20:25 | |
| mhall119 | :P | 20:25 |
| * tgm4883 imagines mhall119 as a tyranosauras rex | 20:25 | |
| * mhall119 is a hallisaurus | 20:26 | |
| tgm4883 | ok, so this (capabilities of a photo program) is a 3 month discussion | 20:29 |
| tgm4883 | so lets move on | 20:29 |
| mcbaine1 | audio ?? | 20:31 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, your call | 20:31 |
| mcbaine1 | yes audio.. then video... | 20:31 |
| mcbaine1 | can i getsbs ?? | 20:32 |
| mcbaine1 | **sbs ... ?? | 20:32 |
| AlanBell | what is that then? | 20:32 |
| tgm4883 | side-by-side? | 20:32 |
| AlanBell | small business server? | 20:33 |
| mcbaine1 | scanning for link .. | 20:33 |
| mcbaine1 | brback.. | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | smelly black socks? | 20:34 |
| tgm4883 | scottish bowel syndrome | 20:34 |
| mcbaine1 | soz SRS AudioFusion | 20:36 |
| tgm4883 | link? | 20:36 |
| mcbaine1 | hcking.. | 20:36 |
| mcbaine1 | **chcking... | 20:36 |
| mcbaine1 | https://store.divx.com/671/purl-mysrs | 20:39 |
| mcbaine1 | elo ?? | 20:40 |
| tgm4883 | ok, so I still don't really know what that is, but it appears to be some kind of codec | 20:41 |
| tgm4883 | which means, there really isn't a discussion needed for it | 20:41 |
| mcbaine1 | "Many TV sets employ built-in SRS " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Retrieval_System ... but can it be used on ubuntu ?? | 20:42 |
| mcbaine1 | or/ubuntu-tv ?? | 20:42 |
| * tgm4883 is reading | 20:43 | |
| * mcbaine1 drnks his milk | 20:44 | |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, that appears to be hardware related, not software | 20:44 |
| mcbaine1 | oh i thought it was a codec a minute ago ?? | 20:44 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, don't pull that crap with me, you brought me two different links. You are the one who should know what this is, not me | 20:45 |
| tgm4883 | so cut the crap | 20:45 |
| tgm4883 | I've done exactly 60 seconds of research on what you just brought me | 20:45 |
| mcbaine1 | ok dont have a cow , man ... do you thnk it can be used on a Ubuntu system or not ?? | 20:46 |
| tgm4883 | also, SRS != SBS | 20:46 |
| mcbaine1 | no that was a spelling mistake, i meant srs. | 20:47 |
| mcbaine1 | the patents... "which expired between 2006-2008" maybe workable 4 ubuntu ?? | 20:49 |
| tgm4883 | I don't know if it can be used, I don't see why it couldn't | 20:49 |
| mcbaine1 | oh, you don't see 'why', ok , ok. | 20:50 |
| tgm4883 | mcbaine1, I don't see why it couldn't be used. meaning yes, it could probably be implemented if it isn't already | 20:51 |
| imnichol | At the very worst, I'm guessing that Canonical wouldn't be opposed to licensing some tech if it's necessary | 20:51 |
| mcbaine1 | ok.. so its interesting .. perhaps i could souceforge it or something.. i dunno.. | 20:51 |
| mcbaine1 | waht do thnk of that side project ?? | 20:56 |
| mcbaine1 | **what .. ? | 20:56 |
| tgm4883 | well you could try to put something together, it would benefit all of ubuntu | 20:56 |
| mcbaine1 | I thnk I'll call it U-SRS codec for linux .... u thnk ?? | 20:57 |
| tgm4883 | sure | 20:58 |
| mcbaine1 | k | 20:58 |
| tgm4883 | although you'll probably have to work with pulseaudio | 20:58 |
| mcbaine1 | checking cnet for info... | 20:58 |
| tgm4883 | so that might be a better name | 20:58 |
| mcbaine1 | here's my profile page so far http://www.cnet.com/8706-4_1-0.html?username=nasacouk&tag=rb_content;contentAux | 20:59 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 21:00 |
| mcbaine1 | lots of Qu's there .. but mostly from my MSoft days... | 21:01 |
| mcbaine1 | find anything interesting... I was ofered a job with them on one question alone !! | 21:01 |
| tgm4883 | I didn't look that deeply | 21:02 |
| mcbaine1 | ok .. not that deep.. there are lots of unanswered questions there... not interesting ?? | 21:04 |
| mcbaine1 | I did find this interesting as a gui / color interface ...::: http://forum.addonsmirror.net/index.php?showtopic=6218&pid=24395&st=0&#entry24395 | 21:07 |
| imnichol | This isn't the right place for us to answer non-UbuntuTV related questions | 21:07 |
| mcbaine1 | but looking at the colors used ... plz... which one would u choose ?? | 21:08 |
| mcbaine1 | i thnk Earthshift is the best : http://blackwensday.deviantart.com/gallery/#/dhxc95 | 21:10 |
| popey | tgm4883: you pung? | 22:58 |
| mcbaine1 | popey, :: I thnk it's over now but ... sup .. anyway ?? | 23:24 |
| popey | hmm? | 23:26 |
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