[00:00] :-) [00:00] I'm hoping it is gonna be good [00:00] never used unity for a start [00:01] and just hoping it will be right for my newer machines [00:02] but may try it, if it is basically working..... see how I like the "feel" [00:02] no point in waiting for something, that I may not even like [00:02] nod, 12.04 isn't much different to 11.10 [00:02] (at this point) [00:02] last one I used was 10.04 [00:03] use* [00:03] is* [00:03] just not as much as I had hoped [00:03] :/ [00:14] !info librxtx-java natty [00:14] librxtx-java (source: rxtx): Full Java CommAPI implementation. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2pre2-3 (natty), package size 174 kB, installed size 1064 kB [00:45] 45% done [00:45] i'm not going to waste my time staying up for this shizzle [00:46] Windows update? [00:46] Supermanintights: consider how good the hard drive had been to you up until that point [00:47] not remotely good for me [00:47] had it less than 6 months before it decided to corrupt itself with 1.5tb of data on there [00:51] So, who's awesome at CSS (Maybe even Drupal omega template?) :D [00:52] Supermanintights: Make? [01:01] WD [01:01] this is the second WD usb external I've owned, different model, which has had the EXACT same problem [01:01] randomly happening [01:01] the second was bought to help recover the first [01:13] Supermanintights: Will smartctl work with those drives? [01:14] not a clue, don't even know what smartctl is [01:17] penguin42, ^^ sorry, always forget to tag people etc. [01:17] Supermanintights: It reads a block of data from the hard drive and has things like number of remapped sectors and error rates etc - but it's really designed for IDE/SATA - I think it might work on some USB drives but am not sure [01:17] should i wait for this thing to finish first? [01:17] this deeper search of testdisk [01:18] probably best to wait for it [01:19] actually, udisks --dump might show the same info [01:43] * awilkins has been quite happy with Samsung HDs recently [01:44] Seagates as well [01:44] I used to use IBMs until that whole Deathstar thing [01:46] Although I probably wouldn't use anything other than an SSD as a 2.5" portable external now [01:46] I had 2 or 3 mechanical drives die from shock in that role [02:29] Attempting to open a screen on a user whilst having a screen open on another user. I get this error: " Cannot open your terminal '/dev/tty1' - please check. I am running Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS . [02:34] what do you mean by 'open a screen on a user'? [02:37] Using the screen program [02:37] I type "screen" [02:38] where? It's the 'on a user' bit that's confusing me [02:38] Sorry, I worded that strangely lol [02:38] I just meant [02:39] I'm on one user, I invoke screen. I su to another user, attempt to invoke screen when no other screens are running. And it gives me that error. [02:40] oh. It shouldn't do that. Er, I've no idea in that case, I'm afraid [02:41] Hmm [02:41] I was trying to figure it out in my head, I'm not an expert with linux by any means but...Maybe I need to open a new terminal or something. [02:41] Instead of running it all from one SSH session [02:42] err VNC in this case [02:44] nah, it should be alright [02:44] screen lets you run screen in a screen session [02:44] it's downright confusing, but it wont stop you [02:47] Strange, I haven't really done much to the server. Maybe it's a permissions issue or something or sorta like when you try to do something with a file when it's in use by another program? [02:49] normally you get that error message when you try to launch a gui program when su'd to some user other than the one as whom you've logged in graphically as [02:50] Hmm [02:50] Heh [02:51] I'm trying to run l4d2 server, and mumble, and irc server, with multiple screens in different home directories basically. This is a huge dissapointment. Is there any other program I can utilize that functions similar to screen? [02:52] not really, it's basically the standard. There's bonobo but that;s just screen with some nifty preconfiguration [02:52] you might find that asking at not 3am gets you more and useful answers though :) (or in #ubuntu) [02:53] Haha [02:53] True [02:53] I am in North America so it is 10pm here give or take [02:53] Ahh [02:54] it's nearly 3am here [02:55] is it normal for testdisk to stay at 50% while updating the read error? for maybe 30 minutes at least [02:55] yeah, I'm guessing from your name that you're in the middle of north america :) There's a bunch of usy loco channels. Names of the form #ubuntu-us- [02:56] Supermanintights: I've not used testdisk all that much, but I've never had it take more than 10mins or so in total [02:56] Morning \o [02:58] Haha BigRed [02:58] Thanks [02:58] BigRedS, it's been going on a deeper search since 9:45 [02:58] I doubt there would be too many frmo my state [03:00] Lol no one was in my channel for my state rofl no surprises there [03:01] haha [03:03] actually, I was wrong, you have to type the abbreviated version of your state, first time around was the full name [03:03] oh! yeah, sorry [03:03] should have mentioned that! [03:09] Meh no one is responding [03:09] Lol [03:09] probably on idle [04:10] hi [08:23] aloha [08:42] hiya [08:42] I trust this day finds everyone well [08:49] morning all [08:49] hi czajkowski, did they let you out on good behaviour yet? [08:51] today [08:53] jogging home, or taking it easy for a bit? [08:53] taking it very easy [08:53] stitches in my back [08:54] ouch :-/ [08:54] was a bit konger than the 1 hr planned surgery. was under fir 3 [08:55] gosh :( [08:56] have a picture of some beerfest cider to help you recover http://twitpic.com/4l7o0l [08:57] tickets go on sale soonish [08:57] christel: ^^ [08:58] well, tickets March 2nd, beerex is around the Precise launch [09:27] czajkowski: danfish: mattt: the groupon vouchers now work for the rugby [09:29] someone could make a google plus to irc name translator and make billions [09:30] billions of requests? [09:30] web views = money of course! [09:31] hits just roll straight into your bank account, clearly [09:32] AlanBell: thanks for the heads up! === lol is now known as jutnux [09:34] gord: there is always bitlbee, although it seems to have difficulty with names too [10:10] Morning people. [10:36] hi jutnux [10:45] good morning everyone, [10:46] Morning brobostigon, how are you? [10:46] morninks jutnux dwatkins brobostigon et al [10:47] \o [10:47] jutnux: still pretty bad, ill and my eczema isnt so good, an infection. and you? [10:47] morning jutnux and SuperEngineer and MartijnVdS o/ [10:47] ...& of course... MartijnVdS [10:47] * MartijnVdS just came back from a 14km run [10:47] forget the car keys? [10:47] SuperEngineer: haha, no, training for a 20km run in 2 months [10:48] good luck to you with that - that's more than I could do! [10:49] SuperEngineer: I did it last year, I can do it this year easily :) [10:49] SuperEngineer: the year before that I was 30kg heavier and couldn't run to the train [10:49] MartijnVdS, nice one [10:51] Interesting bit about Google+ ... [10:51] ? [10:52] i was forced to change from Super Engineer [to Billy Baker] because "Super Engineer" doesn't comply with their naming/identidy policy [10:52] yes, they want real names [10:53] .....today a friend let's me know he's following "Super Engineer" by mistake as it's not me! [10:53] Super Engineer is NOT me on G+ - and I've reported this swine for impersonating! ;) [10:54] So.. that's the name in your passport then? [10:54] nope - neither will it be in the swine's passport [10:55] one rule for all [10:55] they said that to me as well, but after filling out the 'appeal' form they allowed me to continue using this nick [10:56] it was more companies they were really after when it started [10:56] [he/she is perhaps a nice & wonderful person... but if I got suspended for that name - they shouldn't allow impersonation - methinks] [10:56] did you appeal the decision ? [10:57] yep - tried but failed [10:57] no luck [10:58] I'm not bitter with this other person - unless it's deliberate] but I protest to the theory of different folks, different rules [10:59] 😱 -> Unicode 6 \o/ [11:00] SuperEngineer: at the height of their strictness they launched the hangout stuff, and their star attraction there was some character called will.i.am [11:01] AlanBell, definite laugh out loud to that [11:01] ...and now - a good news story... [11:03] I changed to a theme from Linux Mint yesterday ... it runs and works and looks better on proper Ubuntu [Lucid] than it did on Mint :D [11:04] [sorry Minties - you loose out on such a lot] [11:05] "You cannot fast travel from this location" [11:06] So I have to get out of Ustengrav which took me like 219304820480208 years to get in [11:06] #skyrim [11:06] jutnux: Sounds like Fallout 3 [11:06] jutnux: that has the same fast travel message [11:06] jutnux: take an arrow to the knee, it might help [11:06] Already have :-( [11:07] Woo [11:08] got out [11:08] \o/ [11:08] So glad there is fast travel [11:08] Would take ages otherwise [11:08] but the XP-increasing random encounters in the wild! [11:10] On short journeys I would walk ;) [11:20] Stupid Graybeards not talking [11:34] testdisk has finished [11:34] it's now suggesting i either quit or write partition structure to disk [11:34] Morning [11:38] \o daubers [11:38] * daubers is cold [11:39] hot and humid here [11:41] It's just the right temperature here [11:41] Hello daubers [11:48] Supermanintights: if that's the same disk you "lost" last night... write the PT to disk [I'm only guessing - beware] - my theory is if you had lost all before & it thinks it do something for you, let it try - what have you lost if it's a fail [no more than before!] [12:08] has there ever been a point where manchester has not been completely bathed in fog all winter? [12:09] gord: A few weeks, between the last geological age and the current one [12:14] way to go bt open zone "You have used (hh:mm:ss).Please refresh this page to see how many minutes you have used." [12:26] o/ [12:30] Howdy [12:37] SuperEngineer, it told me to restart, and nothings happened apparently [12:37] still coming up with errors [12:37] in the flags, it's showing "Boot" if that makes any difference [12:37] (yes it is same disk that I was working on last night) [12:42] Supermanintights: did you let it write the partition info? [12:42] i think so [12:42] i told it to write [12:42] ok [12:42] then it said i had to restart computer to see changes [12:42] that makes perfect sense [12:43] i don't see any changes [12:44] Supermanintights: did you try my suggestion last night of seeing what info comes up in Disk Utilty [a gparted non-clone that is sometimes extremely useful [SMART data, partittion ident etc]? [12:45] i did, didn't understand it [12:45] give me one sec i'll load it up again [12:45] oh god this is confusing, a conversation between two Super's [12:45] lol [12:45] penguin42: a superman and a superengineer [12:46] "If you're so super, why don't you fix it yourself?" :P [12:46] [& this superI don't wear tights!] [12:47] [& this super don't wear tights!] [12:47] SuperEngineer: So you claim [12:47] SuperEngineer: We can't verify that [12:47] MartijnVdS: ;) [12:47] * MartijnVdS assumes the worst [12:47] SuperEngineer: Aren't you cold? [12:47] nah - the sussies provide some warmth [12:47] MartijnVdS, penguin42 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46rIWEgmmQk [12:48] hmm [12:52] penguin42, SuperEngineer MartijnVdS - http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8221/selection008k.png - that's my disk utility [12:52] Supermanintights: just seen all I need to know! [12:53] stop flogging a dead horse.... it's cruel! [12:53] Supermanintights: Click the SMARt data button [12:53] you've lost that disk I'm afraid! [12:53] urgh [12:53] * penguin42 did say that last night [12:54] [only hope is pro disk recovery service [& zero guarentee & ££££'s involved] sorry mate [12:54] your disk has laddered [12:54] so basically i need to spend about £120 on a new 2tb drive to spend 4 days trying to recover it [12:54] using file scavenger on windows [12:54] if it survives that long - feel free! [12:55] the data is still accessible - i used that software and checked, but I can't afford to buy a new hdd just yet [12:55] it's been sitting in my bag for about 4 months like this... [12:55] then store it [12:55] save pennies [12:55] i just forgot about it until recently [12:55] why would this happen - it just happened randomly? [12:55] Supermanintights: Show us the SMART data [12:55] and ask for a birthday present from maiden aunt millionairess [12:56] running the test now [12:56] it's coming up with disk utitlty hard disk problems detected [12:56] No SMART data details? [12:56] how do i copy them? [12:56] [click on View SMART data] [12:56] well you did the last one with a screenshot [12:57] right [12:57] * Supermanintights feels moderately retarded... [12:57] http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8350/20tbharddiskwdwdcwd20ea.png [12:58] move away from the kryptonite Supermanintights, only SuperEngineer can withstand it! [12:58] Supermanintights: That's odd [12:58] good odd or bad odd? [12:58] http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8350/20tbharddiskwdwdcwd20ea.png [12:58] * SuperEngineer is now reminded it's time to open a bottle of "anti-Kryptonite juice" ;) [12:58] Supermanintights: I've never seen that one fail [12:59] Supermanintights: Ah, yes, the 2nd one makes more sense [12:59] well this is the second time, in second harddrive, same company, where i've had the exact same problem [12:59] for no reason other than it hated me and decided to die [12:59] http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1964/selection011z.png [13:00] Supermanintights: You have to make your own conclusion about the reliability of that vendors drives [13:00] i've made that conclusion the second it happened [13:00] see that "threshold" verse the "value".... be kind... bury it with a small ceremony [13:01] Western Digital - avoid. run. treat it like the plague. [13:01] Supermanintights: 1 bad sector is unfortunate, 1365 means you're trying to read from a block of cheese [13:01] *definite* lol [13:01] lol [13:01] so [13:01] where can i buy 2tb HDD's from without breaking the bank? [13:02] especially after the thailand floods [13:02] Supermanintights: This is USB ? [13:02] yeah [13:02] 2.0 [13:02] Externally powered or from the computer? [13:02] go back to bed Supermanintights, wake up refreshed, beg that millioneiress maiden aunt [13:02] externally [13:02] but that part i'm not fussed penguin42 [13:02] Supermanintights: I'm wondering if the failures are due to bad power [13:03] they're both externally powered [13:04] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Essential-500GB-External/dp/B002KQ1X3A/ref=dp_ob_title_ce - that's the first oen that died [13:04] Scan have a Seagate barra internal 2TB for 107inc [13:04] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Elements-External-Desktop/dp/B003IPC21Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1326027870&sr=1-1 - this is the one i'm trying to save now [13:05] i'm running a laptop though - internal not much use for me :( [13:06] Supermanintights: There are USB<->SATA docks for under £20 [13:06] if i go that route - am i less likely to have a repeat of this problem? [13:07] Supermanintights: It's difficult to know what caused the problem - are you carrying this drive around all the time? [13:07] I do NOT want to have this happen for a 3rd time, it's a PITA [13:07] sometimes it's in my bag [13:07] normally on my desk, plugged in [13:07] I just restarted my computer one time (with this drive), and then I got an error message [13:08] I checked - windows said my drive was RAW and had no data, please format [13:08] Supermanintights: Well if it gets drop kicked in your bag it probably doesn't help, it could be a problem with powering [13:08] i checked with file scavenger - my data is still on there, i just need to get another 2tb hdd to recover it to, and allow 4 days for this to happen [13:08] Supermanintights: Some of your data is still on there [13:09] all of it [13:09] Supermanintights: It's wrong - there are at least 1350 sectors damaged [13:10] yaeh - it's weird, i know what you're saying, by all rights i agree with you, but i had the same problem 12 months or so ago. bad sectors etc. and i was able to recover everything - i just had to spend a lot of money getting a second hdd [13:11] I've not seen SMART data lie - of course the bad sectors could be in an irrelevent part of your disk and not in your critical porn collection, but still [13:11] :P [13:11] well only thing i can do at this point is just buy another 2tb or whatever and then hope that it does recover like last time. [13:12] * SuperEngineer googles "critical porn" ;) [13:12] SuperEngineer, porn where you have to be done in 45 seconds? [13:12] Supermanintights: If you're doing it then I'd use an external PSU on the drive; also you might be able to get some free cloud storage to tide you over - Ubuntu One/Google/erm there must be more :-) [13:12] or else they both die [13:12] i got 1.5tb approx to recover [13:13] i live by tottenham court road, i may google to see what I can get, then see if anything is going for cheap [13:13] oh, if you live next to TCR [13:13] Supermanintights: you're pirating too many programs / OS's / porn vids! [13:14] * SuperEngineer checks pirate party's lists for Supermanintights [13:14] SuperEngineer, you're lying/have no proof/libel/defamation/sidetracking..... [13:15] oooh - there you are - under "vce-president" [13:15] :( [13:17] president of vice [13:18] how are we all this fine afternoon? [13:18] i have 1365 bad sectors [13:18] sums up my day [13:21] "A London double decker crashes into a busy supermarket in south-west London" - damn those supermarkets - why put one up at a bus stop ? [13:22] [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16460272 ] [13:25] i'm on http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/listing-products.php?component=Components - do I want external or SSD? [13:25] I know SSD stands for solid state drive, but is that what I'm looking for? [13:28] Supermanintights: if you want terrabytes then no [13:28] if you want small, fast, quiet then yes [13:29] you can have TB class SSD, but they are a tad pricey [13:30] tad? [13:30] jutnux: just a little [13:30] They're like a grand, aren't they? [13:31] jutnux: Well, understatement IS the nation English sport ;) [13:31] about a grand yes [13:31] jutnux: 3T = 14K€ [13:32] jaw = floor [13:32] Cheapest 1T seems to be 2.3K€ [13:32] It'll be FAST though, probably [13:35] Tempted to buy a 128gb SSD in my next build [13:35] just put / and swap on there [13:35] and /home on the 1tb drive i have [13:35] I have an Intel 120GB as / [13:35] and /home on a 2T disk [13:36] It takes longer to get through the BIOS than to boot Ubuntu :) [13:36] Sweet [13:36] BIOS hands off to grub -> 2 seconds -> login screen [13:36] How much RAM do you have? [13:36] 4 or 8 G, let me check [13:36] 8 [13:37] Probably going to get 8 in my next build [13:37] I'm waiting for Ivy Bridge to be released [13:37] I'm getting a shiny top of the line I7 the moment they're available [13:38] Lucky [13:38] I wish I had the money for that [13:38] I hope I will ;) [13:38] Ubuntu has served me well on this old dual core 3.8ghz [13:38] but my side-business (installing wifi APs for a camping) is good ;) [13:39] * SuperEngineer wishes he had the £££ to buy MartijnVdS's old machine! [13:39] SuperEngineer: but it's an i3 [13:39] I'm reminded of that every time I try to process photos (RAW -> JPEG) or video (MP4) [13:39] so £2 then?? .... deal! [13:40] ಠ_ಠ [13:40] I have a dual-core P4 3GHz [13:41] it's not the most energy-efficient thing [13:41] you know what, I'd probably be better using my HP microserver as a desktop [13:41] Apparently, "they" have enabled more energy saving in the Intel graphics drivers [13:42] on 12.04 (3.2 kernel) [13:44] wow [13:44] I wonder if "they" have a) fixed suspend, and b) fixed Intel i945 graphics corruption [13:44] gordonjcp: the last one.. probably not [13:44] i945 is deadish :( [13:44] yeah [13:45] I'm never, ever buying a machine with an Intel graphics chipset again [13:45] back to NVidia... [13:45] Nvidia \o/ [13:45] gordonjcp: I have the same with nvidia [13:45] Every upgrade breaks the drivers [13:45] MartijnVdS: it's annoying, and it's one of the things I hate about Linux [13:46] Drivers don't work properly with xrandr (so plugging in a projector is hell) [13:46] Linux is great *if* you're using the newest and greated [13:46] *greatest [13:46] for hardware more than a couple of years old, forget it [13:46] I had nvidea and now I have intel, works great not going back! [13:46] AlanBell: it just doesn't work at all here [13:47] gordonjcp: older intel chips had hardware bugs. Intel is getting better all the time, but they seem to have abandoned old hardware [13:47] gordonjcp: just like Nvidia doesn't support old GeForces anympore [13:47] anymore* [13:47] MartijnVdS: right, but this is in a machine about three years old [13:47] I have a GEFOrce 9500gt and it works fine [13:48] I have 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) [13:48] AlanBell: that's new enough to be not very bug-riddled [13:49] I got it nearly 2 years ago [13:49] bizarre [13:49] someone just knocked on my door, but there's no-one there [13:50] Ding dong dashed, you have been. [13:50] jutnux: can't see how that's possible, there's nowhere to dash to or from [13:50] gordonjcp: maybe a bird collided with it? [13:50] MartijnVdS: and bounced a couple of times, maybe? [13:50] gordonjcp: sure [13:53] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16459489 ... ouch! [13:56] hi all. can anyone tell me why i keep experiencing total lock ups when im surfing the net? its only started happening. so far its done it 3 times today. [13:56] Holy hell [13:56] jonsaint: did you change anything? was it fine before? [13:57] yeah everything was great since installing ubuntu. did an update this morning (aout 6 things i think it was) and all has ben great, then this afternoon 3 total lock ups [13:57] do you mean like the computer just freezing momentarily for a few seconds? [13:57] i've had it this morning as well [13:58] no. total lock up, no mouse movenet, no key use, nothing. had to use power button to power down [13:58] maybe try holding shift at power on to get to the grub menu and leave memtest86 running for a bit [13:59] il try that alan if it happens again, been on net just and it seems ok. strange how it happens one time and not the next [14:00] jonsaint: You may as well do it anyway - just leave it running while you go for lunch or something [14:00] A hacker according to The Sun: http://i.imgur.com/QPEPu.jpg [14:00] ok il try it [14:00] jutnux: It gets cold sitting in front of your computer in the middle of the night [14:01] * jutnux looks at the heater [14:02] is that a mac? [14:02] on that photo? [14:04] Yeah [14:04] Looks like it anyway [14:04] with the logo removed to avoid offence to apple [14:04] They know that Apple would sue them [14:05] they should start selling balaclavas in shop.ubuntu.com really [14:06] AlanBell: Why? So you can hide you face while using Ubuntu in public? [14:06] howdy [14:06] http://www.bushells.com/r.php?id=24703&p=&t=&b=1&pf=&pt=300&a=20&favpage=&nh=0&s=2&l=e.g.%20SW4%20or%20Clapham [14:06] :D [14:06] bus-hells? [14:07] andylockran: that your crib? [14:07] and this is where the magic happens [14:10] how confusing, there is a rose flowering (just one flower) in our garden [14:10] penguin42: cut it, give to wife, brownie points? [14:11] MartijnVdS: Haha, no wife, and it's a bit small and weedy [14:11] penguin42: girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, whatever ;) === damian is now known as creativetux [15:02] peeka boo [15:04] afternoon [15:07]