[00:12] <ashams> hey guys, anyone know why canonical decided to make unity instead of just continuing with gnome(3)?
[00:13] <ashams> a history question :)
[00:33] <cjohnston> " founder Mark Shuttleworth cited philosophical differences with the GNOME team over the user experience to explain why Ubuntu would use Unity as the default desktop instead of GNOME Shell"
[00:47] <ashams> cjohnston, thnx
[00:47] <cjohnston> np
[02:36]  * bkerensa tries to wakeup before loco meeting :P
[09:21] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:28] <head_victim> AlanBell: ping
[09:35] <AlanBell> hi head_victim
[09:36] <head_victim> Time for a quick PM?
[09:36] <AlanBell> sure
[10:16] <jono> jcastro, http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=167222
[10:17] <czajkowski> jono: morning
[10:17] <jono> hey czajkowski
[10:18] <czajkowski> jono: hows you?
[10:19] <jono> czajkowski, good thanks, although getting over some stomach flu
[10:19] <czajkowski> :/
[10:19] <czajkowski> got one of those fitbits
[10:19] <czajkowski> look kinda handy hope to start using it in a couple of weeks when I'm back on my feet
[10:19] <jono> czajkowski, nice!
[10:20] <czajkowski> only allowed to slowly walk atm, so nothing too physical
[13:13] <jcastro> dpm: what is the name of the tool that we give locos to make their own localized ubuntu CDs?
[13:14] <dpm> jcastro, lemme check it on the wiki page...
[13:15] <dpm> jcastro, the package to install is ubuntu-defaults-builder and the tools to run, in order, are: ubuntu-defaults-template and ubuntu-defaults-image
[13:16] <dpm> more info on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/LocalizedImagesRollout
[13:16] <jcastro> thanks!
[13:16] <dpm> np :)
[13:35] <mhall119> jono: dpm: jcastro: balloons: good morning
[13:35] <mhall119> where's dholbach?
[13:35] <jono> hey mhall119
[13:35] <jono> he is delayed
[13:35] <jono> his flight was overbooked
[13:35] <mhall119> ah
[13:35] <dpm> mhall119, hey hey :)
[13:35] <mhall119> he can't take a train?
[13:35] <jono> mhall119, we will get you on the big screen soon...there is a QA meeting going on in here right now
[13:36] <jono> mhall119, train is too long
[13:36] <nigelb> mhall119: YOu aren't in Budapest?
[13:36] <jono> he just got delayed by a day
[13:36] <dpm> mhall119, it's a bit of a long way from Morocco... :)
[13:36] <mhall119> no rush, I'm trying to stay on top of the Ubuntu TV stuffs
[13:36] <mhall119> dpm: oh, I thought he was back in Germany
[13:38] <nigelb> haha, have you guys seen the 1990slinuxguy's tweets?
[13:38] <nigelb> The recent ones are hilarious :)
[13:38] <nigelb> "Ubuntu developers don't provide an easy way for switching to other package management systems. Ubuntu is an enemy of freedom."
[13:39] <Pici> o.O
[13:41] <mhall119> lol
[13:47] <jcastro> mhall119: hang out created
[13:48] <mhall119> jcastro: did you invite me?
[13:49] <jono> mhall119, he did
[13:50] <balloons> hello mhall119
[13:51] <jono> mhall119, join now
[13:51] <jono> mhall119, did you get the invite?
[13:51] <mhall119> jono: haven't seen it yet :(
[13:51] <jono> mhall119, jcastro is fixing it now
[13:52] <jono> mhall119, check now
[13:52] <jcastro> mhall119: ok try now
[13:54] <jcastro> ok I figured it out
[13:54] <jcastro> mhall119: you need to create so we can join
[13:54] <jcastro> it doesn't let me hang out twice if I am the creator
[13:55] <jcastro> mhall119: got it?
[13:56] <jcastro> mhall119: hello?
[13:57] <mhall119> I need to create a new one?
[13:57] <jcastro> yes
[13:58] <mhall119> invite sent
[13:59] <mhall119> jcastro: no audio
[14:01] <jcastro> I don't think the problem is our end
[14:01] <jcastro> can you test your G+ thing?
[14:02] <jcastro> mhall119: ok so it shows the microphone with a line through it
[14:02] <jcastro> ok, let's try one more time, maybe start it again?
[14:03] <mhall119> too bad there aren't any computer guys around
[14:03] <jcastro> hahaha
[14:03] <jcastro> ok
[14:03] <jcastro> when you run it this next time
[14:03] <jcastro> do the test thing
[14:03] <jcastro> just to rule out if it's my tablet or not
[14:03] <mhall119> what 'test thing'?
[14:05] <mhall119> jcastro: ??
[14:06] <jcastro> like in the beginning
[14:06] <jcastro> when it says "check your hair" etc
[14:06] <jcastro> you can see the audio input and output levels, etc.
[14:07] <mhall119> everything seemed fine
[14:07] <mhall119> you could hear me right?
[14:07] <mhall119> jcastro: another invite sent
[14:10] <jcastro> ok
[14:10] <jcastro> one sec
[14:12]  * mhall119 feels so alone
[14:13]  * popey cuddles mhall119 
[14:13] <nigelb> just use skype? :P
[14:13] <mhall119> not quite that alone
[14:14] <mhall119> Microsoft Skype? nevah!
[14:14] <jcastro> ok let me reboot this stupid android
[14:14]  * mhall119 wishes he was in Budapest
[14:15]  * mhall119 or Las Vegas
[14:17] <balloons> having troubles?
[14:18] <mhall119> mine works fine, it runs Ubuntu ;)
[14:19] <jcastro> no audio still
[14:19] <jcastro> let me try it on a laptop
[14:19] <daker> hey small question : what's the difference between lens and scope ?
[14:19] <jcastro> lenses have scopes
[14:19] <jcastro> "video" is a lens
[14:19] <jcastro> and would have scopes
[14:19] <jcastro> one for youtube, one for vimeo, etc.
[14:20] <mhall119> daker: scopes provide results to lenses
[14:20] <daker> ah just like backend engines
[14:20] <mhall119> yeah
[14:20] <daker> thanks
[14:23] <jcastro> mhall119: installing plugin now
[14:23] <jcastro> sorry, laptop is slow
[14:29] <daker> mhall119, what's going on in Budapest ?
[14:29] <mhall119> daker: platform rally
[14:30] <jcastro> mhall119: ok, invite sent
[14:40] <jcastro> mhall119: brb
[15:20] <mhall119> wow, hard crash
[15:20] <mhall119> I do 't think my laptop like running hangouts so long
[15:23] <jcastro> heh
[15:23] <jcastro> no worries
[15:24] <mhall119> hmmm, there are worries....my audio hardware isn't being seen after a reboot
[15:24] <nigelb> if only you were in budapest where the platform team is sprinting... :P
[15:25] <mhall119> :P
[15:25] <mhall119> attempting another reboot
[15:30] <mhall119> well at least my hardware is recognized again
[15:30] <mhall119> jcastro: hangouts run my CPU at 100%, I don't think I'll be able to keep it running the whole time
[15:30] <jcastro> ah no worries
[15:31] <mhall119> :(
[15:32] <balloons> yikes.. 100%?
[15:32] <balloons> something is seriously off there
[15:33] <mhall119> anything video-related does that
[15:33]  * mhall119 blames intel integraged graphics chips
[15:36] <mhall119> jcastro: I shared a google doc with you
[15:36] <mhall119> of lenses and scopes I've found so far
[15:49] <mhall119> jcastro: let me know when you want to discuss something on the trello board and I'll turn the hangout back on, otherwise I'm going to not abuse my laptop too much
[16:09] <jcastro> good idea
[16:24] <cprofitt> woah... is one of the open source tests that it has to compile to be free?
[16:25] <mhall119> cprofitt: nope
[16:25] <cprofitt> so Fabian is being a bit inconsistent
[16:25] <mhall119> OSI just requires that people can redistribute the source and binary (if they can make it compile)
[16:25] <cprofitt> thanks... I was not sure.
[16:25] <balloons> open source code in a proprietary language and compiler
[16:26] <mhall119> cprofitt: where?
[16:26] <cprofitt> https://plus.google.com/u/0/117160764660029590483/posts/FnLufTLb2ve
[16:26] <balloons> cprofitt, in the other sense.. it needn't compile to be open source.. meaning compile without errors :-)
[16:28] <mhall119> 388 people following Ubuntu TV on G+
[16:30] <ts2> cprofitt: gerr, it's "Qt" not "QT"
[16:30] <ts2> ;)
[16:30] <cprofitt> ts2: I did not write the articles
[16:32] <ts2> someone with a sticky shift-key no doubt
[16:33] <cprofitt> lol
[16:33] <mhall119> cprofitt: haters gotta hate...
[16:33] <cprofitt> mhall119: yep...
[16:34] <cprofitt> I take a small bit of joy in making Fabian twist and spin
[16:34] <cprofitt> beyond his Ubuntu envy he seems like a decent chap... though he has issues with the Eldar so maybe not.
[16:36] <mhall119> who/what is Eldar?
[16:41] <cprofitt> its a Warhamme 40K thing
[16:41] <cprofitt> a game using miniatures
[16:41] <mhall119> ah
[16:50] <cprofitt> I used to play such games (started with the precursor to Dungeons and Dragons) and later I worked in the industry before going in to IT.
[16:50] <jono> cprofitt, LOL
[16:51] <jono> Fab is such a cool guy
[16:51] <jono> never a dick
[16:51] <jono> :-)
[16:51] <cprofitt> jono: lol
[16:51] <cprofitt> and he really doesn't have a bone to pick with Ubuntu
[16:51] <cprofitt> just ask him
[16:51] <cprofitt> :-)
[16:52] <mhall119> cprofitt: well that's good, for a minute I thought he wasn't a fanboy
[16:52] <cprofitt> lol
[16:56] <cprofitt> mhall119: I think he is about to implode
[16:56] <cprofitt> https://plus.google.com/u/0/105047371315992982745/posts/DD5J475jopC
[16:57] <cprofitt> https://plus.google.com/u/0/105047371315992982745/posts/DD5J475jopC
[16:57] <cprofitt> when he argues with positive... and then reshares these it is rather difficult to not assume he is an Ubuntu troll
[16:58] <mhall119> let him talk bad about it all he wants, as long as he keeps talking about it :)
[16:59]  * cprofitt nods
[16:59] <cprofitt> that is another reason I like to engage him a bit
[17:01] <popey> meh
[17:01] <popey> i made  a new years resolution not to engage people like that
[17:01] <popey> it's not productive
[17:02] <popey> equally http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112601-canonical-outs-ubuntu-tv-brave-or-stupid
[17:03] <popey> tl;dr, "I don't want a TV therefore nobody does"
[17:05] <cprofitt> popey: lol
[17:08] <cprofitt> how are ya popey ?
[17:13] <popey> great :D
[17:18] <cprofitt> good to hear!
[20:06] <snap-l> I have a hard time understanding the need for the Ubuntu TV, but I know there are folks out there that want such a device.
[20:31] <bkerensa> snap-l: It isnt a need based product versus a want-based product same with phones
[20:31] <bkerensa> there is no need for need for new products really we always just as consumers want new things
[22:32] <topyli> bkerensa: there is a need to simplify things, we are stressed already. ubuntu tv of course isn't alone in trying to do this, but i'm glad this stuff is coming
[22:33] <topyli> it's another question whether i'd want an ubuntu tv, when i'm immersed in the google universe already. for others, it might be apple
[22:34] <topyli> but hey, i haven't even seen one or read about what it really does. maybe it's awesome :)