[04:10] follow Ubuntu TV on Google+ https://plus.google.com/104659991254860976283 [07:41] Morning all [07:41] Is it planned a version of the TV unity will come out with precise? === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell [07:47] jussi: no [08:01] popey: when do you expect it to be available ? [08:01] in alpha format [08:31] soon [08:53] * AlanBell wonders how much of a working demo it is at CES [08:55] and who it is that likes "in the night garden" [08:55] iggle piggle is the jar jar binks of children's TV [09:47] mornin' all [09:55] heh AlanBell [09:57] AlanBell: there is some functionality working, but not a huge amount [09:57] code will be available 'soon' [09:57] soon as in hours not weeks [09:57] ok, so stuff does move [09:57] yes [09:57] its not static, its not just a video [09:57] cool [09:58] if I wasn't in Budapest I'd offer for you to come over to my house to see it :D [10:42] popey: this is great news! === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-tv to: Welcome to #ubuntu-tv | http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV-Issues | This channel is logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | http://ubuntu.com/tv | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq_WaOLjdyQ [12:07] I hope Canonical has had a good laugh about everyone in this channel thinking of having any influence. It's a shame that everything is developed already in secrecy [12:07] nice [12:07] MobileDruif: relax [12:07] it isn't already developed in secrecy [12:08] At least that's my idea of how it went [12:10] AlanBell: tell me how I *should* look at the current developments? (Developments being the announcements made at CES/the released code?) [12:23] Can you* [12:23] did everyone follow https://plus.google.com/104659991254860976283 yet? [12:24] mhall119: I do [12:26] mhall119, the images are real or just mockups ? [12:26] daker: a real demo [12:26] daker: you can watch the video at http://www.ubuntu.com/tv [12:27] daker: newest omgubuntu article apparently has a vid [12:27] Haha [12:28] mhall119, sorry but they fail at product launch! [12:29] Anyhow, anyone capable of explaining the situation to me? [12:29] mhall119, see the difference http://www.google.com/tv/ [12:33] daker: they're not pitching it to consumers, they're pitching it to manufacturers [12:34] it's the same,you are launching a product ツ [12:38] mhall119, it will work on my 32" LG LCD-TV ? [12:40] Does it have 2GB of disk space and 1GB of RAM? [12:42] the TV ? [12:43] Yeah, what else? [12:44] it depends on the OEM [12:45] http://www.ubuntu.com/tv/features-and-specs [12:49] code is up: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv [12:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing [12:50] mhall119: yay! [12:50] mhall119: are there packages yet? [12:50] ie. a ppa? [12:52] jussi: not that I see [12:52] :( [12:52] jussi: there wasn't even a bzr branch last night [12:52] mhall119: yeah, I just figured whoever wrote that code mightve actually packaged it also [12:53] jussi: I can ask around, but since they're at CES I may not get a response [12:53] mhall119: ok [12:54] branch wont check out for me :/ [12:54] Permission denied (publickey). [12:54] bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. [12:55] weird, let me try [12:56] popey: also, you need to update the entry message: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots (re: ubuntulog) [12:56] jussi: worked for me, maybe it was just a connection issue? [12:56] is there a FAQ for ubuntu tv yet? [12:56] mhall119: no, Ive tried several times and the message says something about pubkey [12:57] yeah, that's an ssh error... [12:57] have you tried bzr launchpad-login? [12:58] I hadnt, but just did, returns my user (jussi01) and then the other thing fails [12:59] mhall119: its not somehow limited to employees is it? [12:59] jussi: launchpad says it's public [13:00] hrm [13:00] wonder whats happening there. [13:00] conspiricy, Ive been blocked!!! :P [13:00] do you have your ssh pubkey on launchpad? [13:00] hrm, this is the work machine, lemme check. [13:01] jussi: also, try viewing http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv/ubuntutv/trunk/files [13:01] ahh bollocks, this machine isnt on LP. lemme upload it. [13:02] and yeah, browsing works [13:04] mhall119: right, works now. thanks for the troubleshooting :) [13:05] np [13:06] I just had to bribe an official to look the other way so I could let you in on the conspiracy ;) [13:06] lol [13:07] ooh, theres a debian folder there... [13:07] Haha [13:07] I wonder if we can stick this into a PPA some how... ? [13:07] worth a shot [13:08] Should be doable [13:08] It's already on lp right? [13:09] yup [13:09] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv [13:09] Can't it be put in a ppa from that page? [13:10] ooh, a video lens for unity. cool. [13:10] Might be nice [13:11] MobileDruif: PPAs are only for people and teams [13:12] And ubuntu-tv isn't a team? [13:12] oh, you're right [13:12] * mhall119 hasn't had his morning coffee yet [13:13] then yes, we could make a ppa for the team and host packages there [13:13] * MobileDruif neither [13:14] ;D [13:14] * jussi smiles at mhall119 [13:15] * MobileDruif gives mhall119 his morning coffee ;) [13:18] * jussi waits for mhall119 to provide the ppa line and an eta for packages built :D [13:21] anyways, local copy building now [13:22] also: sudo apt-get install debhelper dh-translations cmake pkg-config libqt4-dev libqt4-opengl-dev libglib2.0-dev libwnck-3-dev libpango1.0-dev libqtgconf-dev libdconf-qt-dev libqtbamf-dev libqtdee-dev libdbusmenu-qt-dev libx11-dev libindicator3-dev libgtk-3-dev libutouch-geis-dev libstartup-notification0-dev libunity-core-4.0-dev libnux-1.0-dev libxi-dev [13:22] theres the build deps for it on one line ;) [13:22] Ghehe [13:23] mhall119: also, would be nice to have the bug tracker, translations, blueprints and answers opened for this [13:24] Oeh, translations :D [13:24] We already had a request for that :P [13:25] hello people [13:25] seems the CES thing has hit the interwebs [13:25] MobileDruif: and what makes you think you haven't or are not having an influence? [13:26] Actually, it looks like a lot of the ideas discussed in this channel and mailing list have been taken into consideration [13:26] * jussi waves to sladen [13:27] sladen: when are you coming to visit me again ? [13:27] jussi: remember that time I came up there (in a rush, admittedly), bumped into the son of the person I'd gone to visit in Muhos [13:28] sladen: might I be accurate on that? Otherwise there seems to have been a lot of ideas come up with independently [13:28] That might be so, but still: because everything code-wise was developed without any info one way our the other made me feel left out [13:28] jussi: shall be back for Sauna at some point. Is it snowing there? [13:28] MobileDruif: I can understand where you're coming from there [13:29] Or* [13:29] definitely digging the design though [13:29] MobileDruif: what you're seeing is a prototype/mockup/test-framework. It will then be possible to take those design ideas, interate/discuss/evolve them more easily now there's something public and demoable and work on the implementation itself [13:30] MobileDruif: if you look around this channel there are people like Kaleo who is suddenly very relieved and jumping for joy when I saw him a few minutes ago [13:31] dmj726: yes, there are people listening in the channel even if they've not been able to say much on certain subjects [13:32] definitely glad to see the second screen and third party applications aspects included [13:35] The last few months have been eerily quiet. We've asked for more direction from above, but nothing was given. Except Marks blog-post saying we had some great ideas (even referring to our feature list), have we been stagnant. I think it's a shame that it's only been going in one-direction. I'm just letting my frustrations speak now. [13:36] I'm not one to hold a grudge, so make a clean slate and continue with this great project [13:36] Yeah, I think a lot of us would like to get feedback on what Canonical people are thinking and also start hacking on the platform ourselves [13:37] this release definitely helps on that front [13:38] sladen: I hope you understand where I'm coming from [13:39] sladen: excellent. and yes, we have snow (~50cm) but no, its not snowing currently [13:40] MobileDruif: yes, the CES deadline, was a bit fixed. Things were focused on getting something (based on the ideas at UDS, and since) ready for CES. Which is a pretty short amount of time (2 months since end of UDS, of which the holiday eat quite a chunk) [13:40] so, quick question for those in the know. Ive made this and installed it, is it now a selection from login? or? [13:40] jussi: what's "this" ? [13:40] jussi: links, URLs, ? [13:41] * jussi points to scroll back and adds: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv [13:41] Code on the ubuntu-tv lp sladen [13:42] * jussi says meh and goes to try [13:46] MobileDruif: hi! [13:46] hi others! [13:46] Kaleo: Aloha :) [13:46] MobileDruif: I am sorry the code was private for a few weeks [13:47] MobileDruif: it's kind of an experiment thing [13:47] wow, the channel is starting to get busy now! [13:47] ...and the conversation? [13:47] meh, doesnt seem to be there :( [13:47] Kaleo: how do I start it? [13:48] MobileDruif: and I also am sorry about the lack of presence from me here [13:48] MobileDruif: the reason is very plain: working extremely hard for a few weeks [13:49] MobileDruif: (I had my girlfriend complaining every day..) [13:50] Kaleo: sorry to hear that your girlfriend complained everyday [13:51] MobileDruif: she is relieved now :) [13:51] ahem [13:51] Woops, wrong button [13:51] MobileDruif: :) [13:52] so seriously, no one can tell me how to start it? [13:52] Kaleo: mhall119 ? [13:53] jussi: I can! [13:53] Kaleo: please do! :D [13:53] jussi: though it is in the wiki no? [13:53] Kaleo: Ive compiled (cmake, make make install). what now? [13:54] Kaleo: which wiki where? [13:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing [13:54] there :) [13:54] the readme was very vague. :( [13:54] does that help? [13:54] jussi: /Contributing I believe [13:55] Kaleo: Im reading now. perhaps worth adding that url into the readme file? [13:56] also, what does ~s do in the bzr command? [13:58] jussi, it's not an option - it's just the name of the team [13:58] It's gonna be merged with unity-2d [13:58] ? [13:59] oh :( [13:59] Saviq: I see you're hard at work with the wiki pages? [14:00] so... what the difference in code from bzr branch "lp:~ubuntu-tv/ubuntutv/trunk" and "bzr branch lp:~s-team/ubuntutv/trunk" if any? [14:00] jussi, we just had to move the code, sorry for that [14:00] there is no ~ubuntu-tv/ubuntutv/{trunk,unity-lens-video} anymore [14:00] oh, so I grabbed before it was moved then. [14:01] there si no difference in code though? [14:01] jussi: the 's-team' is a bit like the 'a-team', just an abbreviation of something else [14:01] jussi, just go `bzr pull --remember ~s-team/ubuntutv/trunk` there [14:01] Kaleo: Saviq: can we get an actual LP project for this? [14:01] Saviq: thanks [14:01] mhall119, most of it will get merged back into unity-2d [14:02] mhall119, and the project is simply "ubuntutv" [14:02] Saviq: ok [14:02] thanks [14:02] we couldn't connect lp:ubuntutv yet, we'll do that soon [14:03] Can there be anything said about ubuntu phone now your all chatty again? [14:04] MobileDruif: you could try asking in #ubuntu-phone [14:04] ;-) [14:07] MobileDruif: the phone is definitely not my arena :) [14:07] MobileDruif: I would guess that this would be the last platform we tackme [14:07] tackle [14:07] MobileDruif: I feel like we have so much to get on with already [14:11] Kaleo: strange question here. If Im running kde can I just run it? or do I need to be running metacity? [14:11] jussi: it should be fine [14:11] jussi: mileage may vary performance wise depending on your window manage [14:11] rr [14:11] ok, lemme try it :) [14:12] MobileDruif: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/MergePlan [14:12] MobileDruif: document that got created 5 minutes ago :) [14:12] I know ;) [14:13] I'm subscribed to every page subsequent of UbuntuTV, so I also get notified about new pages [14:13] nerochiaro, plan is great [14:14] Saviq: Kaleo: any ideas on the TODOs that are in there ? [14:15] i suppose i can start tackling point #1 anyway [14:15] Saviq: Kaleo: how do we go review-wise for this work ? [14:16] we got lp:ubuntutv [14:18] Kaleo: seems it didnt work. loaded my normal unity over the top of kde (I have unity installed here as an alternate) [14:18] jussi: you probably need to shut-down plasma-desktop [14:19] ok, can I run this from a tty ? [14:19] you should be able to [14:20] ok, lemme try that [14:20] jussi, what does `gsettings get com.canonical.Unity2d form-factor` say? [14:21] Saviq: do you guys have it doing form-factor auto-detection to determine what variant of Unity to run? [14:21] mhall119, not yet [14:22] jussi, actually make that `dconf read /com/canonical/unity-2d/form-factor` [14:34] Anyhow I'm going offline, battery is getting low [14:34] Saviq: returns nothing [14:36] anyways, Im off now. 9 months pregnant wife waiting for me at home ;) [14:36] please leave me messages tho [14:37] jussi: wow. Best wishes for all 2 (or 3 if it arrives) of you [14:40] jussi, did you follow the point about setting that dconf key? [14:41] anyone else managed to run it? or - even more interesting - did not manage to run it for some reason? [14:52] hello Kaleo [14:53] daker, he's not here right now [14:54] ツ [16:14] Kaleo: Saviq: do we have any information about the remote control for Ubuntu TV? [16:34] Kaleo: hey, first issue I saw at the instructions, you're using xbmc 10 to create the metadata [16:34] we're using the 11 release, that we have running on arm [16:34] they should be compatible, but not fully sure [16:36] rsalveti, they are [16:37] Saviq: I did run it. it returned nothing. [16:37] Saviq: great [16:37] Saviq: In anycase, Im off to the hospital with the wife - hopefully when I return there will be 3 of us :D [16:37] jussi, awesome! [16:38] * jussi hugs Saviq and runs off [16:40] jussi: congrats! [16:40] mhall119: not yet! :D [16:41] jussi: I thought you were gone, assumed you'd get that after :) [16:41] mhall119: Im jusyt leaving :P [16:42] jussi: remember to breath, and don't lock your knees [16:42] the rest is up to her ;) [16:42] lol [17:22] Aloha [18:05] Will/can Ubuntu-TV handle ISOs? [18:06] maxolasersquad: my guess would be yes either out of the box or with additional software installed [18:07] Cool, I've been ripping my DVDs since my kids like to scratch them up. [18:07] Ripping to ISO that is. [18:07] I'm not from Canonical [18:08] but they would have to prevent installation of medibuntu and vlc to stop the ability to play ISOs [18:08] My guess is that it will behave like regular Ubuntu with a special UI [18:09] dmj726, AFAIK, it's going to be Unity 2d [18:10] tgm4883: basically the backend internals will most likely be little changed [18:10] so things like gstreamer and so forth [18:14] Saviq: do you know if revision 824 from lp:unity-2d is essentially the same as revision 848 from the shell branch ? ("make scrollbar abstract" is the title of the commits).It looks like they are the same to me. [18:15] Saviq: rev 872 also seems to do again the same thing too [18:15] Saviq: however in trunk the scrollbar ends up in libunity-2d while il the shell branch it ends up in shell/common. what's the right place in the end ? [18:19] hi pleia2 [18:19] hello [18:19] -hi [18:21] hello pleia2 [18:22] pleia2: greetings from Buda, or is it pest [18:22] or both [18:22] depends on the side of the river :) [18:25] sladen: decided what to do for food? [18:30] popey: nope [18:30] popey: are you still hanging around? [18:31] popey: and are you sitll going to be there in 5 minutes? [18:33] i am in my room [18:37] sladen: ping me before you go out [18:38] popey: okay, hat, coat etc [18:40] sladen: 5 mins, see you in reception [21:11] Saviq: Kaleo: unfortunately the current qtmobility is using video texturing just for GL, not for GLES [21:11] but luckily qtmobility 1.2 also has GLES support, but specifically to maemo 6 atm [21:12] because of the proprietary extensions [21:12] I'm discussing that with robclark, as he created one extension we currently use at XBMC, to see if we can get it to work with latest qtmobility and panda [21:43] nerochiaro, in the end - shell/common of course [21:43] but we didn't have that common place before [21:44] and yes, they're basically the same thing, one done upstream, the other just for tv [21:44] rsalveti, cool [21:44] Saviq; I'm missing the discussion? [21:45] MrChrisDruif, I'm just reading the backlog, sorry :) [21:45] Saviq: ok, i'll keep that in mind tomorrow. there are a few things to fix because the merge moves it to libunity2dprivate so i'll have to revert that [21:45] nerochiaro, yeah [21:45] Ghehe [21:45] * MrChrisDruif doesn't have backlog [21:45] poor MrChrisDruif ;) [21:45] Yeah, I'm missing out ^_^ [23:14] Is there anyone in here to who I could submit an idea? [23:28] Kaleo: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Always-Innovating-HDMI-Dongle [23:29] similar with a pandaboard [23:29] would be nice and probably easy to have ubuntu tv running on it :-)