[04:10] <mhall119> follow Ubuntu TV on Google+ https://plus.google.com/104659991254860976283
[07:41] <jussi> Morning all
[07:41] <jussi> Is it planned a version of the TV unity will come out with precise?
[07:47] <popey> jussi: no
[08:01] <jussi> popey: when do you expect it to be available ?
[08:01] <jussi> in alpha format
[08:31] <popey> soon
[08:53]  * AlanBell wonders how much of a working demo it is at CES
[08:55] <AlanBell> and who it is that likes "in the night garden"
[08:55] <AlanBell> iggle piggle is the jar jar binks of children's TV
[09:47] <mcbaine1> mornin' all
[09:55] <popey> heh AlanBell
[09:57] <popey> AlanBell: there is some functionality working, but not a huge amount
[09:57] <popey> code will be available 'soon'
[09:57] <popey> soon as in hours not weeks
[09:57] <AlanBell> ok, so stuff does move
[09:57] <popey> yes
[09:57] <popey> its not static, its not just a video
[09:57] <AlanBell> cool
[09:58] <popey> if I wasn't in Budapest I'd offer for you to come over to my house to see it :D
[10:42] <dmj726> popey: this is great news!
[12:07] <MobileDruif> I hope Canonical has had a good laugh about everyone in this channel thinking of having any influence. It's a shame that everything is developed already in secrecy
[12:07] <AlanBell> nice
[12:07] <AlanBell> MobileDruif: relax
[12:07] <AlanBell> it isn't already developed in secrecy
[12:08] <MobileDruif> At least that's my idea of how it went
[12:10] <MobileDruif> AlanBell: tell me how I *should* look at the current developments? (Developments being the announcements made at CES/the released code?)
[12:23] <MobileDruif> Can you*
[12:23] <mhall119> did everyone follow https://plus.google.com/104659991254860976283 yet?
[12:24] <MobileDruif> mhall119: I do
[12:26] <daker> mhall119, the images are real or just mockups ?
[12:26] <mhall119> daker: a real demo
[12:26] <mhall119> daker: you can watch the video at http://www.ubuntu.com/tv
[12:27] <MobileDruif> daker: newest omgubuntu article apparently has a vid
[12:27] <MobileDruif> Haha
[12:28] <daker> mhall119, sorry but they fail at product launch!
[12:29] <MobileDruif> Anyhow, anyone capable of explaining the situation to me?
[12:29] <daker> mhall119, see the difference http://www.google.com/tv/
[12:33] <mhall119> daker: they're not pitching it to consumers, they're pitching it to manufacturers
[12:34] <daker> it's the same,you are launching a product ツ
[12:38] <daker> mhall119, it will work on my 32" LG LCD-TV ?
[12:40] <MobileDruif> Does it have 2GB of disk space and 1GB of RAM?
[12:42] <daker> the TV ?
[12:43] <MobileDruif> Yeah, what else?
[12:44] <daker> it depends on the OEM
[12:45] <MobileDruif> http://www.ubuntu.com/tv/features-and-specs
[12:49] <mhall119> code is up: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv
[12:49] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing
[12:50] <jussi> mhall119: yay!
[12:50] <jussi> mhall119: are there packages yet?
[12:50] <jussi> ie. a ppa?
[12:52] <mhall119> jussi: not that I see
[12:52] <jussi> :(
[12:52] <mhall119> jussi: there wasn't even a bzr branch last night
[12:52] <jussi> mhall119: yeah, I just figured whoever wrote that code mightve actually packaged it also
[12:53] <mhall119> jussi: I can ask around, but since they're at CES I may not get a response
[12:53] <jussi> mhall119: ok
[12:54] <jussi> branch wont check out for me :/
[12:54] <jussi> Permission denied (publickey).
[12:54] <jussi> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[12:55] <mhall119> weird, let me try
[12:56] <jussi> popey: also, you need to update the entry message: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots (re: ubuntulog)
[12:56] <mhall119> jussi: worked for me, maybe it was just a connection issue?
[12:56] <spikeb> is there a FAQ for ubuntu tv yet?
[12:56] <jussi> mhall119: no, Ive tried several times and the message says something about pubkey
[12:57] <mhall119> yeah, that's an ssh error...
[12:57] <mhall119> have you tried bzr launchpad-login?
[12:58] <jussi> I hadnt, but just did, returns my user (jussi01) and then the other thing fails
[12:59] <jussi> mhall119: its not somehow limited to employees is it?
[12:59] <mhall119> jussi: launchpad says it's public
[13:00] <jussi> hrm
[13:00] <jussi> wonder whats happening there.
[13:00] <jussi> conspiricy, Ive been blocked!!! :P
[13:00] <mhall119> do you have your ssh pubkey on launchpad?
[13:00] <jussi> hrm, this is the work machine, lemme check.
[13:01] <mhall119> jussi: also, try viewing http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv/ubuntutv/trunk/files
[13:01] <jussi> ahh bollocks, this machine isnt on LP. lemme upload it.
[13:02] <jussi> and yeah, browsing works
[13:04] <jussi> mhall119: right, works now. thanks for the troubleshooting :)
[13:05] <mhall119> np
[13:06] <mhall119> I just had to bribe an official to look the other way so I could let you in on the conspiracy ;)
[13:06] <jussi> lol
[13:07] <jussi> ooh, theres a debian folder there...
[13:07] <MobileDruif> Haha
[13:07] <jussi> I wonder if we can stick this into a PPA some how... ?
[13:07] <mhall119> worth a shot
[13:08] <MobileDruif> Should be doable
[13:08] <MobileDruif> It's already on lp right?
[13:09] <jussi> yup
[13:09] <jussi> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv
[13:09] <MobileDruif> Can't it be put in a ppa from that page?
[13:10] <spikeb> ooh, a video lens for unity. cool.
[13:10] <MobileDruif> Might be nice
[13:11] <mhall119> MobileDruif: PPAs are only for people and teams
[13:12] <MobileDruif> And ubuntu-tv isn't a team?
[13:12] <mhall119> oh, you're right
[13:12]  * mhall119 hasn't had his morning coffee yet
[13:13] <mhall119> then yes, we could make a ppa for the team and host packages there
[13:13]  * MobileDruif neither
[13:14] <MobileDruif> ;D
[13:14]  * jussi smiles at mhall119
[13:15]  * MobileDruif gives mhall119 his morning coffee ;)
[13:18]  * jussi waits for mhall119 to provide the ppa line and an eta for packages built :D
[13:21] <jussi> anyways, local copy building now
[13:22] <jussi> also: sudo apt-get install debhelper dh-translations cmake pkg-config libqt4-dev libqt4-opengl-dev libglib2.0-dev libwnck-3-dev libpango1.0-dev libqtgconf-dev libdconf-qt-dev libqtbamf-dev libqtdee-dev libdbusmenu-qt-dev libx11-dev libindicator3-dev libgtk-3-dev libutouch-geis-dev libstartup-notification0-dev libunity-core-4.0-dev libnux-1.0-dev libxi-dev
[13:22] <jussi> theres the build deps for it on one line ;)
[13:22] <MobileDruif> Ghehe
[13:23] <jussi> mhall119: also, would be nice to have the bug tracker, translations, blueprints and answers opened for this
[13:24] <MobileDruif> Oeh, translations :D
[13:24] <MobileDruif> We already had a request for that :P
[13:25] <sladen> hello people
[13:25] <sladen> seems the CES thing has hit the interwebs
[13:25] <sladen> MobileDruif: and what makes you think you haven't or are not having an influence?
[13:26] <dmj726> Actually, it looks like a lot of the ideas discussed in this channel and mailing list have been taken into consideration
[13:26]  * jussi waves to sladen
[13:27] <jussi> sladen: when are you coming to visit me again ?
[13:27] <sladen> jussi: remember that time I came up there (in a rush, admittedly), bumped into the son of the person I'd gone to visit in Muhos
[13:28] <dmj726> sladen: might I be accurate on that?  Otherwise there seems to have been a lot of ideas come up with independently
[13:28] <MobileDruif> That might be so, but still: because everything code-wise was developed without any info one way our the other made me feel left out
[13:28] <sladen> jussi: shall be back for Sauna at some point.  Is it snowing there?
[13:28] <dmj726> MobileDruif: I can understand where you're coming from there
[13:29] <MobileDruif> Or*
[13:29] <dmj726> definitely digging the design though
[13:29] <sladen> MobileDruif: what you're seeing is a prototype/mockup/test-framework.  It will then be possible to take those design ideas, interate/discuss/evolve them more easily now there's something public and demoable and work on the implementation itself
[13:30] <sladen> MobileDruif: if you look around this channel there are people like Kaleo who is suddenly very relieved and jumping for joy when I saw him a few minutes ago
[13:31] <sladen> dmj726: yes, there are people listening in the channel even if they've not been able to say much on certain subjects
[13:32] <dmj726> definitely glad to see the second screen and third party applications aspects included
[13:35] <MobileDruif> The last few months have been eerily quiet. We've asked for more direction from above, but nothing was given. Except Marks blog-post saying we had some great ideas (even referring to our feature list), have we been stagnant. I think it's a shame that it's only been going in one-direction. I'm just letting my frustrations speak now.
[13:36] <MobileDruif> I'm not one to hold a grudge, so make a clean slate and continue with this great project
[13:36] <dmj726> Yeah, I think a lot of us would like to get feedback on what Canonical people are thinking and also start hacking on the platform ourselves
[13:37] <dmj726> this release definitely helps on that front
[13:38] <MobileDruif> sladen: I hope you understand where I'm coming from
[13:39] <jussi> sladen: excellent. and yes, we have snow (~50cm) but no, its not snowing currently
[13:40] <sladen> MobileDruif: yes, the CES deadline, was a bit fixed.  Things were focused on getting something (based on the ideas at UDS, and since) ready for CES.  Which is a pretty short amount of time (2 months since end of UDS, of which the holiday eat quite a chunk)
[13:40] <jussi> so, quick question for those in the know. Ive made this and installed it, is it now a selection from login? or?
[13:40] <sladen> jussi: what's "this" ?
[13:40] <sladen> jussi: links, URLs, ?
[13:41]  * jussi points to scroll back and adds:  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv
[13:41] <MobileDruif> Code on the ubuntu-tv lp sladen
[13:42]  * jussi says meh and goes to try
[13:46] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: hi!
[13:46] <Kaleo> hi others!
[13:46] <MobileDruif> Kaleo: Aloha :)
[13:46] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: I am sorry the code was private for a few weeks
[13:47] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: it's kind of an experiment thing
[13:47] <mhall119> wow, the channel is starting to get busy now!
[13:47] <MobileDruif> ...and the conversation?
[13:47] <jussi> meh, doesnt seem to be there :(
[13:47] <jussi> Kaleo: how do I start it?
[13:48] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: and I also am sorry about the lack of presence from me here
[13:48] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: the reason is very plain: working extremely hard for a few weeks
[13:49] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: (I had my girlfriend complaining every day..)
[13:50] <MobileDruif> Kaleo: sorry to hear that your girlfriend complained everyday
[13:51] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: she is relieved now :)
[13:51] <sladen> ahem
[13:51] <MobileDruif> Woops, wrong button
[13:51] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: :)
[13:52] <jussi> so seriously, no one can tell me how to start it?
[13:52] <jussi> Kaleo: mhall119 ?
[13:53] <Kaleo> jussi: I can!
[13:53] <jussi> Kaleo: please do! :D
[13:53] <Kaleo> jussi: though it is in the wiki no?
[13:53] <jussi> Kaleo: Ive compiled (cmake, make make install). what now?
[13:54] <jussi> Kaleo: which wiki where?
[13:54] <Kaleo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing
[13:54] <Kaleo> there :)
[13:54] <jussi> the readme was very vague.  :(
[13:54] <Kaleo> does that help?
[13:54] <MobileDruif> jussi: /Contributing I believe
[13:55] <jussi> Kaleo: Im reading now. perhaps worth adding that url into the readme file?
[13:56] <jussi> also, what does ~s do in the bzr command?
[13:58] <Saviq> jussi, it's not an option - it's just the name of the team
[13:58] <MobileDruif> It's gonna be merged with unity-2d
[13:58] <MobileDruif> ?
[13:59] <jussi> oh :(
[13:59] <MobileDruif> Saviq: I see you're hard at work with the wiki pages?
[14:00] <jussi> so... what the difference in code from  bzr branch "lp:~ubuntu-tv/ubuntutv/trunk" and "bzr branch lp:~s-team/ubuntutv/trunk" if any?
[14:00] <Saviq> jussi, we just had to move the code, sorry for that
[14:00] <Saviq> there is no ~ubuntu-tv/ubuntutv/{trunk,unity-lens-video} anymore
[14:00] <jussi> oh, so I grabbed before it was moved then.
[14:01] <jussi> there si no difference in code though?
[14:01] <sladen> jussi: the 's-team' is a bit like the 'a-team', just an abbreviation of something else
[14:01] <Saviq> jussi, just go `bzr pull --remember ~s-team/ubuntutv/trunk` there
[14:01] <mhall119> Kaleo: Saviq: can we get an actual LP project for this?
[14:01] <jussi> Saviq: thanks
[14:01] <Saviq> mhall119, most of it will get merged back into unity-2d
[14:02] <Saviq> mhall119, and the project is simply "ubuntutv"
[14:02] <mhall119> Saviq: ok
[14:02] <mhall119> thanks
[14:02] <Saviq> we couldn't connect lp:ubuntutv yet, we'll do that soon
[14:03] <MobileDruif> Can there be anything said about ubuntu phone now your all chatty again?
[14:04] <sladen> MobileDruif: you could try asking in #ubuntu-phone
[14:04] <sladen> ;-)
[14:07] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: the phone is definitely not my arena :)
[14:07] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: I would guess that this would be the last platform we tackme
[14:07] <Kaleo> tackle
[14:07] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: I feel like we have so much to get on with already
[14:11] <jussi> Kaleo: strange question here. If Im running kde can I just run it?  or do I need to be running metacity?
[14:11] <Kaleo> jussi: it should be fine
[14:11] <Kaleo> jussi: mileage may vary performance wise depending on your window manage
[14:11] <Kaleo> rr
[14:11] <jussi> ok, lemme try it :)
[14:12] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/MergePlan
[14:12] <Kaleo> MobileDruif: document that got created 5 minutes ago :)
[14:12] <MobileDruif> I know ;)
[14:13] <MobileDruif> I'm subscribed to every page subsequent of UbuntuTV, so I also get notified about new pages
[14:13] <Saviq> nerochiaro, plan is great
[14:14] <nerochiaro> Saviq: Kaleo: any ideas on the TODOs that are in there ?
[14:15] <nerochiaro> i suppose i can start tackling point #1 anyway
[14:15] <nerochiaro> Saviq: Kaleo: how do we go review-wise for this work ?
[14:16] <Saviq> we got lp:ubuntutv
[14:18] <jussi> Kaleo: seems it didnt work. loaded my normal unity over the top of kde (I have unity installed here as an alternate)
[14:18] <tsdgeos> jussi: you probably need to shut-down plasma-desktop
[14:19] <jussi> ok, can I run this from a tty ?
[14:19] <nerochiaro> you should be able to
[14:20] <jussi> ok, lemme try that
[14:20] <Saviq> jussi, what does `gsettings get com.canonical.Unity2d form-factor` say?
[14:21] <mhall119> Saviq: do you guys have it doing form-factor auto-detection to determine what variant of Unity to run?
[14:21] <Saviq> mhall119, not yet
[14:22] <Saviq> jussi, actually make that `dconf read /com/canonical/unity-2d/form-factor`
[14:34] <MobileDruif> Anyhow I'm going offline, battery is getting low
[14:34] <jussi> Saviq: returns nothing
[14:36] <jussi> anyways, Im off now. 9 months pregnant wife waiting for me at home ;)
[14:36] <jussi> please leave me messages tho
[14:37] <sladen> jussi: wow.  Best wishes for all 2 (or 3 if it arrives) of you
[14:40] <Saviq> jussi, did you follow the point about setting that dconf key?
[14:41] <Saviq> anyone else managed to run it? or - even more interesting - did not manage to run it for some reason?
[14:52] <daker> hello Kaleo
[14:53] <Saviq> daker, he's not here right now
[14:54] <daker> ツ
[16:14] <mhall119> Kaleo: Saviq: do we have any information about the remote control for Ubuntu TV?
[16:34] <rsalveti> Kaleo: hey, first issue I saw at the instructions, you're using xbmc 10 to create the metadata
[16:34] <rsalveti> we're using the 11 release, that we have running on arm
[16:34] <rsalveti> they should be compatible, but not fully sure
[16:36] <Saviq> rsalveti, they are
[16:37] <jussi> Saviq: I did run it. it returned nothing.
[16:37] <rsalveti> Saviq: great
[16:37] <jussi> Saviq: In anycase, Im off to the hospital with the wife - hopefully when I return there will be 3 of us :D
[16:37] <Saviq> jussi, awesome!
[16:38]  * jussi hugs Saviq and runs off
[16:40] <mhall119> jussi: congrats!
[16:40] <jussi> mhall119: not yet! :D
[16:41] <mhall119> jussi: I thought you were gone, assumed you'd get that after :)
[16:41] <jussi> mhall119: Im jusyt leaving :P
[16:42] <mhall119> jussi: remember to breath, and don't lock your knees
[16:42] <mhall119> the rest is up to her ;)
[16:42] <jussi> lol
[17:22] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha
[18:05] <maxolasersquad> Will/can Ubuntu-TV handle ISOs?
[18:06] <dmj726> maxolasersquad: my guess would be yes either out of the box or with additional software installed
[18:07] <maxolasersquad> Cool, I've been ripping my DVDs since my kids like to scratch them up.
[18:07] <maxolasersquad> Ripping to ISO that is.
[18:07] <dmj726> I'm not from Canonical
[18:08] <dmj726> but they would have to prevent installation of medibuntu and vlc to stop the ability to play ISOs
[18:08] <dmj726> My guess is that it will behave like regular Ubuntu with a special UI
[18:09] <tgm4883> dmj726, AFAIK, it's going to be Unity 2d
[18:10] <dmj726> tgm4883: basically the backend internals will most likely be little changed
[18:10] <dmj726> so things like gstreamer and so forth
[18:14] <nerochiaro> Saviq: do you know if revision 824 from lp:unity-2d is essentially the same as revision 848 from the shell branch ? ("make scrollbar abstract" is the title of the commits).It looks like they are the same to me.
[18:15] <nerochiaro> Saviq: rev 872 also seems to do again the same thing too
[18:15] <nerochiaro> Saviq: however in trunk the scrollbar ends up in libunity-2d while il the shell branch it ends up in shell/common. what's the right place in the end ?
[18:19] <popey> hi pleia2
[18:19] <pleia2> hello
[18:19] <tgm4883> -hi
[18:21] <sladen> hello pleia2
[18:22] <sladen> pleia2: greetings from Buda, or is it pest
[18:22] <nerochiaro> or both
[18:22] <pleia2> depends on the side of the river :)
[18:25] <popey> sladen: decided what to do for food?
[18:30] <sladen> popey: nope
[18:30] <sladen> popey: are you still hanging around?
[18:31] <sladen> popey: and are you sitll going to be there in 5 minutes?
[18:33] <popey> i am in my room
[18:37] <popey> sladen: ping me before you go out
[18:38] <sladen> popey: okay, hat, coat etc
[18:40] <popey> sladen: 5 mins, see you in reception
[21:11] <rsalveti> Saviq: Kaleo: unfortunately the current qtmobility is using video texturing just for GL, not for GLES
[21:11] <rsalveti> but luckily qtmobility 1.2 also has GLES support, but specifically to maemo 6 atm
[21:12] <rsalveti> because of the proprietary extensions
[21:12] <rsalveti> I'm discussing that with robclark, as he created one extension we currently use at XBMC, to see if we can get it to work with latest qtmobility and panda
[21:43] <Saviq> nerochiaro, in the end - shell/common of course
[21:43] <Saviq> but we didn't have that common place before
[21:44] <Saviq> and yes, they're basically the same thing, one done upstream, the other just for tv
[21:44] <Saviq> rsalveti, cool
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Saviq; I'm missing the discussion?
[21:45] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, I'm just reading the backlog, sorry :)
[21:45] <nerochiaro> Saviq: ok, i'll keep that in mind tomorrow. there are a few things to fix because the merge moves it to libunity2dprivate so i'll have to revert that
[21:45] <Saviq> nerochiaro, yeah
[21:45] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe
[21:45]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't have backlog
[21:45] <Saviq> poor MrChrisDruif ;)
[21:45] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I'm missing out ^_^
[23:14] <Guus-> Is there anyone in here to who I could submit an idea?
[23:28] <rsalveti> Kaleo: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Always-Innovating-HDMI-Dongle
[23:29] <rsalveti> similar with a pandaboard
[23:29] <rsalveti> would be nice and probably easy to have ubuntu tv running on it :-)