[00:00] hamitron: I'm not one who can watch sports not even exciting stuff like rallying however if you were to give me a rally course and car, I'd probably be indebted to you forever [00:01] same [00:01] :) [00:01] nearest I can get is simulations/games online [00:01] :/ [00:02] never really got into watching sports [00:03] I will admit that I will watch an international game of rugby but other than that I can't stand watching them. I'd play games about them either IRL or virtually though [00:03] exciting... like rallying... wat? [00:04] even when they crash... it's boring [00:04] ali1234: You would honestly turn down the chance to have a day on a rally course? [00:04] well i can;t drive so there wouldn't be much point [00:06] i'm sure it would be fun up until the point where you die [00:06] fun until the first bend [00:06] then the car is upside down [00:07] I'd rather die in a ball of flames doing something fun than in a bed barely able to move to be fair. My brother's teh same [00:07] is there a third option? [00:08] Radiation poisoning ;)? [00:09] anyhow, speaking of bed, night all o/ [00:09] Night \o [00:11] https://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/01/top-10-ubuntu-software-centre-app-downloads-for-december-2011/ neat [00:13] Anyone know anything like gobby that doesn't suck? [00:15] Crossover Games is free? [00:17] bah, trial doesn't count as "free" [00:17] :/ [01:45] Is there any tftp server that works with the virtualbox pxe boot client === ejos is now known as joeko [02:59] Is there any simple video editing software that works with Ubuntu? Nothing flashy, I'd just like to add a title at the beginning and perhaps prune out the odd section. [05:37] * ball gives up and goes to bed. [07:41] Morning! [07:41] \o === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell [07:45] http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372040/ubuntu-tv-unveiled \o/ [07:45] Nice popey [07:46] Is it Myth in the backend or completely new code? [07:47] its a concept ☺ [07:47] Ahh. [07:47] "its a concept" == "No backend as yet" then. [07:51] Lenovo 55" TV with Android http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/01/lenovo-puts-android-4-on-55-inch-tv-and-10-inch-tablet.ars [07:54] "These products are all immediately available in China" [08:09] Morning [08:18] hiya [08:42] Morning [08:42] morning beauties [08:43] \o [08:43] morning [08:43] yes [08:47] MartijnVdS: Ray [08:47] Noticed netflix is now available in the UK [08:48] * daubers is very tempted [08:48] danfish: ? [08:48] MartijnVdS: sorry - mistype! [08:48] morning btw [08:54] ooo [08:56] Uh oh.. there's going to be chaos: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jan/09/mps-alcohol-drinking-guidelines [08:59] MartijnVdS: when the House of Commons bars are closed 2 days per week people might pay attention to that [09:00] A good friend of mine happens to be my GP too. He has recommended 21 units a day ever since I have known him. He's always in my local and is looking fine on it too ;-) [09:01] :) [09:07] 21 units would probably make me fall over. [09:08] dwatkins: spread over the day, or at once? :) [09:08] heh, even if just during a single evening. [09:09] I used to be able to handle 5 pints in a night, any more and I'd just fail to be able to see. [09:12] TheOpenSourcerer: is your gp that looney doctor at the rugby club by any chance? [09:12] :P [09:12] perhaps he part owns the pub... [09:14] Hubert J. Farnsworth? [09:15] (he is probably not a loon, but when i ran out of tramadol after surgery he prescribed me 2 months worth instead of a few days.. "just in case") [09:15] i like him, but he is not my regular gp [09:15] hmm opioids [09:16] tramadol was rather fun i must admit [09:58] Good morning peeps :) [09:59] TheOpenSourcerer: the backend is a myth [09:59] That's enough scroll back for me [10:00] bigcalm: anything good on the scrollback :P [10:01] That's all I could be amused by [10:05] :D [10:06] good morning [10:06] how's .hu popey? [10:06] fun [10:06] yeah that hotel is nice, and has decent enough pubs next door [10:09] why did my home connection choose today to go down :( [10:10] Aloha [10:10] czajkowski: heya! hows the back? [10:10] Laney: mine goes down once an hour if I'm watching streaming media online :-/ [10:11] Happy Monday, everyone! :D [10:11] jussi: good thanks [10:11] jussi: hows things your end ? [10:11] czajkowski: no news :/ [10:12] jussi: patiences [10:12] I always have an SSH session to my home machine [10:12] czajkowski: tell that to Sari [10:12] might have to nip back at lunch and poke it [10:12] Laney: dyndns? [10:12] time for change of /topic to ubuntu tv/CES? [10:13] sorry, I mean "do you use dyndns in order to know the IP address?" [10:13] "static" ip [10:13] so i just have a record in my domain [10:13] heh, I used to have a fairly static IP with NTL [10:23] there is an #ubuntu-tv IRC channel for those wanting to discuss/contribute to that [10:24] Laney: it is slightly disturbing when you are out and your home stops responding to pings isn't it! [10:24] yeah it is rather concerning :( [10:31] I'm not sure how NTL 'invert' my IP address here. if I replace my router, my IP changes. if I put the old router back, I get the old IP back [10:31] Hah, the year I spent on Virgin put me off monitoring the connection to home [10:31] er, 'invent' [10:31] shauno: dhcp leases are indexed by mac address [10:32] yeah, but there was 3 or 4 months before I put the old router back [10:32] yeah, leases can be incredibly long. There's no reason for them not to be now that most connections are always-on [10:42] Greetings all - is it just me or is the Netflix sign up page not allowing one to sign up on Ubuntu? [10:46] JGJones: I was just wondering about signing up for that (witout using facebook) [10:47] Apparently there's an "sign up with your email" link if not using Facebook. I don't have a facebook account but even then I can't see a way to sign up with either method on Ubuntu [10:47] I'm currently looking for that link [10:47] Perhaps it doesn't work from the RoI [10:47] dwatkins, I've tried Opera, Chrome and Firefox - link doesn't show (it's in the source though) [10:48] dwatkins, so am wondering if it's being blocked from showing up on non-Windows platform? [10:48] try ua switcher? [10:49] JGJones: perhaps [10:49] good morning everyone, [10:50] hi brobostigon [10:50] hi dwatkins [10:50] oh wait... [10:51] whoops seem to be my fault... [10:51] /etc/hosts - facebook.com 127.0.0.1 [10:51] I can't see a link to avoid facebook. [10:51] lol [10:51] lol nice :) [10:54] I just signed up with facebook .. you can unlink it again from your user prefs after signup [10:54] dwatkins, after removing the facebook.com in my /etc/hosts - I now see the sign up...below the Facebook login part - there's an "sign up with a email" below the facebook login [10:55] but sign up by email is via facebook? does that mean Facebook'll automatically make an account on my behalf?? [10:55] JGJones: I guess I'd best setup my proxy server - my internet access goes through Dublin [10:55] it works from here, and I'm in the republic [10:55] hmm [10:55] * dwatkins tries ff [10:56] * daubers will need to borrow a long cat6 this evening to try netflix [10:57] interesting, Chrome fails to show me this, but Firefox shows it fine [10:58] I kinda want to go down the beach & take pictures of helicopters (yes, I'm a nerd), but I'm not sure how polite that is when they're out there looking for floaters [10:58] i wonder how long before we'll all need fake facebook accounts to sign up for stuff? [10:59] They do say that if you're not signed into facebook it should work on their twitter stream [10:59] for UK...probably not long...over 30 millions accounts (just over 50% of population number) [11:00] although there are 20 million cats+dogs in the uk, they must account for a lot of accounts [11:00] There is an email sign up link - but the fact that it doesn't show until I unblocked facebook is annoying. And I'll better not be getting emails from facebook after this. [11:00] i know some dogs on facebook. all of their friends are dogs too [11:02] morning all [11:02] * davmor2 hands czajkowski a soothing cup of Tea [11:04] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/Screen%20Shot%202012-01-09%20at%2011.02.10.png that's as far as I got with netflix :/ [11:04] shauno: on apple or linux? [11:05] on apple [11:06] Call the number? [11:06] heh, I'm not callin the US for tech support [11:08] http://www.parisvega.com/how-to-fix-the-netflix-drm-error-n8151-in-google-chrome-for-mac/ ? [11:08] they are talking about silverlight on that page [11:08] netflix is silverlight too? [11:09] Yeah [11:09] hence no simple solution to play it on Ubuntu if any. [11:10] davmor2: ello [11:11] czajkowski: how you doing kiddo saw you tweets [11:12] I Didn't realise I had silverlight installed; but reinstalling it does fix that, thanks [11:13] :D [11:13] now you realise there is nothing to watch [11:14] I'm mainly checking it out for subtitles support [11:14] yeah. very little european cinema, but a metric *bleep*tonne of chinese films [11:14] hopefully they're still signing providers up [11:15] Lovefilm provide 0% subtitling with their steaming videos. According to Equality Act, it's not legal to do that, but then Lovefilm seem to be unable to get the licences required in order to show the subtitles while steaming(!) [11:15] davmor2: not bad thanks [11:17] Shall this be a subway Monday? [11:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq_WaOLjdyQ [11:23] http://www.ubuntu.com/tv now has a video [11:23] http://ubuntu.com/tv [11:23] :D [11:23] lol [11:24] dwatkins: from what I'm reading, the email link only shows up if you're not signed into facebook, which would explain your disparity between browers [11:25] just selected the HD version and fullscreened it on my big monitor. looks nice [11:27] the video doesn't do it justice, its a lot smoother in real life [11:28] shauno: aha, thanks :) [11:29] i hope this gets into a freeview PVR [11:29] oimon: it's available for the PS3 [11:29] dwatkins: i'm talking bout ubuntu tv, what u talking bout? netflix? [11:31] popey: what hardware running on? ARM? [11:32] we have x86 and arm images [11:32] oimon: oh sorry yes [11:35] popey: for Ubuntu TV? [11:36] That was a nice video at 1080p full screen [11:36] Was hoping it was going to look more like AlanBell's mockups though [11:38] popey: fancy not knowing that the tv site was up ;) [11:43] bigcalm: we used big buck bunny ☺ [11:44] bigcalm: There's no pleasing some people though :P [11:45] popey: that did amuse me :P [11:45] davmor2: too right [11:45] what does it use for broadcast tv? mythtv? [11:47] not decided yet [11:47] ah [11:47] didn't know how much of it was a mock up [11:47] (all?) [11:48] opening with 'no more boxes / no more wires' is an odd one; are they looking at embedding this in the set itself? (rather than an stb) [11:48] "In a TV." implies so [11:48] Yes [11:48] that's the impression I always had tbh [11:48] companies like humax are already using linux in their pvr's. could be a good step for them to go ubuntu [11:49] hm. that's a shame :/ interesting, but .. [11:49] Which is going to be interesting for those who want to continue using cable and/or satellite [11:50] why would it be incompatible with that? [11:50] the advatage of a separate freeview pvr is that it can be kept while the telly is upgraded..which happens a lot [11:50] Laney: didn't say it would be, but you'd still have more wires and remotes :) [11:51] oimon: or the other way around - I don't replace my TV outside of complete neccessity [11:52] Indeed [11:52] Happy with the one I have, spent enough on it [11:52] I'm sure there'll be a stb version [11:53] the only reason my telly's as young (5 years) as it is, was that it would have been complete insanity trying to bring my old one with my from the US [11:53] the music in that video - a black eyed peas remix - who's the budding DJ at canonical then ;) [11:53] For instance, I don't use my TV's remote for anything other than changing the source input. When watching VM cable, _everything_ is done though their 1 remote [11:55] that said, I'd be really tempted if half the rumours about apple entering the market turn out to be close [11:56] the demo is running on commodity hardware [11:56] (a revo) [11:57] I thought that was what AppleTV was all about. [11:57] so potentially you could run it on a set top box [11:58] the appletv is basically an ipod with a hdmi port. they've got all the pieces in place to do much better [11:59] I forgot. Today cannot be a subway Monday. Returning to my daily wii fit workout and not eating [11:59] T -3mins to self torture [12:05] thursday is best subway day [12:05] cheap BMT [12:06] ☺ [12:06] I'm a sucker for the Chicken Pizziola(sp?) [12:06] oooh, lunchtime! [12:06] Torture time :( [12:08] RackSpace -> Bytemark @ 10.9MB/s :) [12:10] anyone using dropbox headless, know how to set up 'selective sync' without the UI? [12:13] TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell: http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/01/uk-cabinet-office-betrayal-of-open-standards-confirmed/index.htm [12:14] DJones: :( [13:05] hello all [13:06] MooDoo: you old hippy how are you [13:07] davmor2: alreeeet youth :D [13:08] MooDoo: so photo shoot with the new camera is this? [13:08] davmor2: speak english yoda :p [13:09] MooDoo: So photo shoot, with the new camera, is this? [13:09] am i doing one? or have i done one? [13:09] sorry confused [13:10] MooDoo: You're doing the model day thingy aren't you? [13:10] davmor2: ah yes, april [13:11] fair enough it sounded sooner [13:12] davmor2: i'll get the images online when i've editied them [13:35] * smittix is playing cannon fodder [13:46] smittix: An awesome old game [13:47] smittix: fab game :D [14:01] Ooooh... new laptop [14:01] what you got daubers [14:01] samsung thing :) i5 based [14:02] will try and install precise on it shortly [14:02] wow samsung have gone a bit of the rails with their naming scheme now, The Samsung Thing [14:02] It's got 600b written on the case [14:08] 600 bee's? [14:09] \o/ bee's [14:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emgXwYWqd9Y [14:11] http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/01/uk-cabinet-office-betrayal-of-open-standards-confirmed/index.htm [14:13] bah, 128k internet.... gone over download limit ;/ [14:16] czajkowski: Sad isn't it [14:17] yup [14:17] Should put in a FoI request for details on any lunches/dinners/presents given to the various gov departments involved by Microsoft [14:17] +1 [14:30] telegraph are now covering the ubuntu tv story. [14:31] which is an improvement over their previous CES story which featured name drop of apple in each paragraph - somewhat impressive since they are not there. [14:31] :) [14:31] i moaned at the journo about it [14:34] see that they are making toy guns for adults now? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/8998520/US-Army-introduces-video-game-weapons.html [14:36] well it's about time someone rewrote mythtv from scratch [14:36] ali1234, ? [14:36] and fixed DVB stream parsing (EPG) [14:36] ali1234: ^ [14:37] no, EPG works perfectly with mythtv, it's about the only thing that does though [14:37] MartijnVdS, EIT works fine with valid packets. problem is the volume of bad packets that the software can receive from the driver [14:37] i've been waiting for a mythtv box that doesn't require setting up [14:37] lollerskates [14:37] directhex: My TV provider uses EIT for full EPG, but BBC seems to think that's below them and uses their own format, and uses EIT only for now/next [14:38] the android tv screenshot looks lame http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ces/9001563/CES-2012-Google-Android-TV-announced-by-Lenovo.html [14:38] MartijnVdS, you're talking DVB-S? [14:38] the big problem with mythtv is the user interface totally sucks [14:39] * hamitron just uses an off the shelf device [14:39] directhex: yes [14:39] hamitron: i can't do that because i don't have a TV [14:39] MartijnVdS, yeah, could be worse. seen what virgin do with DVB-C? [14:39] also i don't have anywhere to put a TV [14:39] ali1234, Video In? [14:39] directhex: I've seen what Ziggo and UPC do to it. People cried that day. [14:40] HDMI video in? [14:40] monitor with more than one input? [14:40] * hamitron hasn't got HD [14:40] i'd be interested to see what this "one remote" looks like [14:40] considering that there's still the dash where you have to type stuff [14:41] is it just going to be a full size infra red keyboard? [14:41] I got one of them sony dvd/hdd recorders, then just fast dub to dvd, to get a video saved onto the comp [14:41] hassle I suppose [14:41] :/ [14:41] ali1234: bluetooth [14:42] full size bluetooth keyboard? [14:42] of course! [14:42] :) [14:42] with a mouse [14:42] or maybe a built-in touchpad [14:42] that will go down really well... [14:43] boxee remote is what we use in demos of ubuntu tv [14:43] popey: Is this your seecret project? [14:44] or is that something else? [14:44] picture? [14:44] http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/boxee-remote-2010-09-01-600-wmark-01.jpg [14:44] thats the one [14:44] it's really nice in the hand [14:44] small enough to lose tho [14:44] Oooo [14:45] Bluetooth or wifi? [14:45] Or other radio? [14:45] dunno [14:45] I'd have to google [14:46] Not sure I'd want that as my _one_ remote though [14:46] I do like pointing to things with the wiimote [14:46] personally i can't stand any kind of wireless controller [14:47] ali1234: do you get off the sofa to change channels? [14:47] i don't have a sofa [14:47] Beanbag? [14:47] i have a computer and a desk and a chair [14:47] i don't "change channels" i use mythtv [14:47] hope it's a comfy chair [14:47] i use it through mythweb [14:47] with a keyboard and mouse - wired [14:48] i take it you are single [14:48] goes without saying really [14:48] if i was single i'd do the same, and not even have a tv or tv licence [14:48] but my missis likes watching telly [14:48] * daubers waits for laptop HDD to image [14:48] Precise daily CD seems ok [14:48] oimon: I have no TV licence \o/ [14:48] Don't watch broadcast :) [14:50] * hamitron suspects there will be changes to tv license, to make it a requirement for streaming [14:51] Eyeball tax! [14:51] would be fair enough if you download the progs [14:51] oimon, agreed..... and even my parents do it on their tv now [14:52] so some may see it as a way to avoid "tuning in" [14:52] well, more than some.... enough to affect the amount of £££ collected [14:54] daubers: maybe ☺ [14:54] how much data does iplayer transfer? [14:54] someone has gone crazy on my internet connection yesterday :/ [14:55] why are many ebooks on amazon £0.77 when they should be free? [14:55] oimon: tax. [14:55] maybe to cover cost of kindle transfer over 3G? [14:55] lazt/stupid tax? [14:56] how can something free have a tax on? :/ [14:57] * oimon goes to guternberg instead [14:59] popey: You tease :p [15:11] oimon: Don't forget you pay vat on ebooks as well :) [15:12] not public domain ones that should be £0.00 :( [15:12] it's probably better for me to download epubs than kindle format anyway [15:15] public domain doesn't mean free [15:16] I could take any public domain content and sell it for £9001 [15:16] Ubuntu TV looks interesting. I wonder how it will compare to MythTV [15:17] CaMason: which is why they are taxing the lazy/ignorant when you should be able to easily get it for free [15:17] that's an argument that could be applied to most capitalism principles [15:18] also there are numerous open-source projects that create books that are public-domain, but they sell them at a profit and use the funds for their project. Anyone can download them for free, but others can support the project [15:21] Public Domain doesn't mean it cost them nothing to produce either. One look at the Project Gutenberg books that have been auto-churned into ePub will show that there's manual effort in a well-produced end product [15:22] basically, it's the libre vs free concept [15:23] or 'libre vs gratis' to be more precise [15:28] gah, caught myself zoning out by watching the size of my dd'd hdd image growing.... [15:31] hi all... i have a simple but intresting question... if i get a win tv card to get satellite channels, configure TVheadend to send the channels in to xbmc-pvr but also open the port on my router to allow a friend to connect to my tvheadend session is that legal ? im only viewing freeview channels so will only stream them to a friend who does not have an arial ? [15:31] http://www.therestartpage.com/ sad lack of linux on here [15:32] Neoti_Laptop: I believe it's illegal to rebroadcast in any way, besides that, MythTV streams (which is what XBMC uses afaik) are absolutely huge and unless your both on insane 100mbit+ connections it won't work like that [15:33] not using the mythtv plug in using TVHEADEND plug in as i dont like mythtv too much ... [15:33] never knew that :) [15:34] Azelphur: its not quite clear cut about rebroadcasting live TV [15:34] Neoti_Laptop: but yea, it's probably the same, I think the streams from the card are like 2MB/sec so you'll need like 16mbit/sec up which nobody gives you xD [15:34] there is a loophole in the law which is how TVCatchup etc type services are legal [15:35] popey: fun [15:36] popey: I wonder if that means torrenting TV shows in my usual habbits is legal (I usually torrent them as they come out and watch them I want, basically time shifting them) [15:36] no, it doesnt [15:36] aww :( [15:36] actually I think re-broadcasting terrestrial UK TV is somewhat legal [15:36] there is a difference between re-broadcast of live TV, and torrenting which is redistributing pre-recorded content [15:37] popey: isn't that what tv-catchup services are doing though? (redistributing pre-recorded content) [15:37] no [15:37] live only [15:37] if they are, they have permission to [15:37] *shrug* [15:38] other services like SeeSaw do have agreements in place to stream pre-recorded library content [15:38] tvcatchup dont [15:38] tvcatchup used to - they had to remove it [15:38] torrents are often making the material available to those who should not have access, also [15:38] what was that other one that had a linux client for a while.. [15:38] get_iplayer can be used to download BBC iplayer content, which is another grey-area [15:39] popey: haha I can't remember it either, but I know the one your talking about [15:39] zoosomething [15:39] there were some documents published by Ofcom last year that indicated such activity would be deemed legal - even if it circumvented DRM [15:39] humm..... so a grey area then .... ..... doh.... its never clear cut these things ... :P lol [15:40] get_iplayer doesn't circumvent DRM [15:40] popey: Zattoo :D [15:40] technically, format shifting in the UK isn't legal [15:40] thats it! [15:40] I'll try and find the document... it was a bunch of proposals aimed at formalising what most people do anyway [15:41] like speeding, stealing pens from work... [15:41] precisely [15:41] Neoti_Laptop: so basically legally grey area but you don't have the bandwidth to do it anyway unless you encode on the fly [15:41] speeding = increase speed limit to 80 [15:41] Azelphur, get_iplayer lets those with not enough bandwidth watch stuff btw ;) [15:42] hamitron: fun :) [15:42] I use get_iplayer and stick stuff on my ipad for when I'm on the train [15:42] hamitron: also I thought you wasn't a pirate ;) [15:42] and my phone [15:42] anyone know what technology blinkbox use? [15:42] Azelphur, I watch bbc content in the UK, via iplayer..... not pirating [15:43] the free stuff is flash, but wonder about the paid stuff [15:43] thanks azelphur... and i do have the bandwidth 1GB of it ..... over fibre to his house next door... :P [15:44] Neoti_Laptop: oh, why are you forwarding the port then? Just let him connect to your LAN. [15:44] It'll be much faster :) [15:44] i dont want him on my internal lan .... [15:45] Neoti_Laptop: so subnet him, problem solved! :P [15:45] internet - Middle LAN - Internal LAN he will connect to the middle lan ... [15:45] ah subnet .... [15:45] even better [15:45] :) [15:45] yet again thanks Azelphur [15:45]