[01:40] meeting tonight right? [01:41] i got an email about it [01:53] Yep, we'll get started in 7 minutes. [01:57] Downton Abbey is on, so i might not be paying much attention [01:57] gah, I tried to watch that show [01:57] tivo it [01:58] Felt like a big load of "why am I watching this?" [01:58] it's bloody awesome [01:58] it's got Maggie Smith in it, so it's good. ;) [01:59] Even she couldn't assuage me [01:59] it's like a soap though. i like Doc Martin too. *shrug* [01:59] but we only watched one episode [01:59] i love Maggie Smith [01:59] oh you have to see the whole thing [01:59] i don't have a tivo, brousch [01:59] i have cable, but no dvr [01:59] barbaric [01:59] I don't think I need an entire fruitcake to let me know I don't like fruitcake [01:59] * gamerchick02 is cheap [01:59] good point, snap-l. [02:00] do you knap your own knives from obsidian too? [02:00] i like it. it's my thing though [02:00] brousch, no. [02:00] OK, let's get started [02:00] i have a VCR. [02:00] ok [02:00] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/312/detail/ [02:00] i'm riding th exercise bike. sorry if i smell funny [02:00] That's got the agenda [02:01] First order of business: moving the meeting [02:01] what tme is it in budapest? [02:01] quite honestly, I broached this, but I think this time works best [02:01] Probably morning [02:01] i agree [02:01] Sundays aren't the best for me, but that's just... me [02:02] We seem to get enough people [02:02] true [02:02] I know there's always going to be people who can't make it, but I think we should keep this for a while until it really becomes a problem [02:02] i'll try to make as many as i can [02:02] awesome [02:03] Any further comments? [02:03] sounds silly but it conflicts with Masterpiece. :-P (if it were Sherlock, i would definitely not be here) [02:03] That's what laptops are for. ;) [02:03] true [02:03] Sheesh [02:03] i'm watching with the laptop. ;) [02:03] anyway, continue [02:03] this time works the best for me out of any [02:03] Just finished watching Once upon A Time. Ends at 9PM EST. [02:04] I like getting the reminders, Thanks~ [02:04] Yeah, I think the only regulars that really can't make it are Wolfger. [02:04] ! [02:04] I'd prefer earlier since I get up early on weekdays. [02:04] Yeah, I'll make a habit of sending out the e-mail to let folks know [02:04] gib: Not bloody likely [02:04] i like the email though. [02:04] this works the best, any earlier cuts into bed time [02:05] but we can make the meetings briefer [02:05] bed time? [02:05] son's bed time [02:05] oh. sorry. [02:05] How does earlier than 9PM EST cut into bed time? [02:05] so, without further ado... [02:05] SWAG. [02:05] if i'm home i'm helping out w/ bed time [02:05] we have SWAG? [02:06] swag is always welcome. [02:06] brousch: You added it, please elaborate. ;) [02:06] OH, so you need to keep it later for a child's time to coordinate. I get it. [02:06] yeah and i think snap-l is in the same boat [02:06] we have a lifetime's worth of cds [02:06] jjesse: I don't have children [02:06] stickers are much bette for handing out [02:06] brousch: Agreed [02:06] stickers are always welcome. [02:06] soryr [02:06] sorry [02:07] bdtime++ [02:07] So, what kind of stickers? [02:07] ubuntu/kubuntu stickrs [02:07] nice! [02:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences <- These are the ones that I'm aware of [02:07] +1 [02:07] http://shop.canonical.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=stickers&op=Search [02:08] we have 3 or 4 canonical employees in th group. i would think they could hook us up [02:09] I'm not sure how we got them in the past [02:09] I know Ohio got a conference pack for OLF [02:10] greg-g sent me 2 sheets. i gave them away in about 4 months [02:10] one sticker at a time [02:11] I'll look into getting some swag [02:11] worst they can say is "buy it". :) [02:11] i did [02:11] shipping sucks [02:11] Yeah [02:12] but we do have Penguicon coming up [02:12] And some release parties I would assume. :) [02:13] it seems like a blob of stickers would be a good thing for official locos [02:13] So, we have some things we'd be available for. [02:13] We can make some stuff at http://techshop.ws they just opened a Detroit location. [02:14] gib: Why don't you look into that? There's info here on using the brand: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ [02:16] Speaking of which, 12.04 is going to be released soon [02:17] And as is customary, we have release parties. [02:17] Do you know the date? late April? [02:17] Not offhand [02:17] snap-l: and a bug jam [02:18] Yep [02:18] my annual trek to AA [02:18] The release of Ubuntu 12.04 is scheduled for April 26th. [02:19] I haven't heard when the gloal jam is scheduled [02:19] generally we coincide with that [02:19] Release party at Penguicon? [02:19] Well I'm just a beginner - I bet we can make some cheap really bad art that would be cool. [02:20] gib: There's some PDF files on there [02:20] Global Jam is 2-4 of March [02:20] Yeah, I think the release party will be at Penguicon again [02:20] gib: we have a decent ubuntu-mi logo [02:21] Which files do we like? [02:22] gib: Why don't you take them and see what techchop could do wtih them? [02:23] I see some Commical t-shirts that look interesting. But they may be copyrighted. [02:24] So, to recap, plan on some jam activity in March [02:24] techshop sounds like i3 [02:25] I'll ask jrwren if SRT will be available during that weekend in March [02:26] Simple designs: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718 [02:26] Techshop is like i3 but they have a million dollars of equipment. [02:27] Any other business that anyone would like to discuss? [02:27] Humm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=UbuntuPoster-Virus.png [02:27] So, to recap: [02:27] uh, Downton Abbey is awesome? [02:27] 1) Meetings will stay on Sundays # 9pm [02:27] 2) I'll look into getting some swag from our events [02:28] 3) We'll start planning the global jam at SRT [02:28] 4) Release party is during Penguicon (anyone want to coordinate this? :) ) [02:28] we lost greg-g in ann arbor, but jrwren is still there [02:30] OK, I'll add those agenda items to the next meeting [02:30] Anythig else? [02:30] not from here. [02:31] Goodnight all . . . [02:31] Next Meeting is Feb 5th [02:31] Thanks everyone! [02:31] cool! [02:31] thank you snap-l [02:31] see you all then. or earlier, i hope. i've been bad about not being in irc but it seems dead in the evening. [02:31] i don't have internet at work. :( [02:32] So, we do this every week? ON Sunday ant 9PM EST? [02:32] gib: month [02:32] every month [02:32] Oh, ok. [02:32] but we hang out here all the time [02:32] i'm off to finish Downton Abbey. see everyone tomorrow after work. [02:33] First Sunday? [02:33] gib: Generally, but this year it was on New Years Day [02:34] Okay. See ya. I've got this on my calendar now. [02:34] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical <- iCal feed [02:35] gib: you could subscribe to the ubuntu-mi calendar, then it's put on for you [02:35] Has all of our events. [02:35] Yeah, I really prefer to control my calendar myself. [02:36] Well - bye bye for now - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz [02:36] heh [02:37] I guess I shouldn't tell him about copying events to your calendar. [02:37] Sheesh [02:38] probably using some crusty open source calendar that doesn't handle subscriptions well [02:38] Also, ust once I'd like to not hear about tech shop [02:38] I swear, ever since it opened I hear about it at least once per encounter with Gib. :) [02:39] hah, well i think we all have those projects we pimp all the time [02:39] Yeah, I'm guilty of that [02:40] But I'm to the point where every time it gets mentioned adds one more month of me ignoring it. [02:40] I think I'm up to most of 2013 [02:41] is it different from i3 or a competitor? [02:41] i suppose you east siders have enough space to have several hackerspaces [02:43] I think it's something in partnership with Ford [02:43] is that what it is? a hackerspace? [02:43] i seem to just ignore it [02:44] from the description it looks like a hackerspace [02:49] so who watches downtown abby? [02:49] just found it on netflix [02:50] is that like sister act? [02:52] no idea [02:54] Anyone here? [02:56] locodir-user: Hello [02:56] locodir-user: We just finished the meeting, so it may be a little quiet here. :) [03:01] Tried to pay attention. Was busy playing Shadowgrounds (Humble Bundle game). [03:01] no worries. ;) [03:43] Note: Apparently JoDee is not used to me hitting on a drum practice pad [03:43] I believe the phrase she used was "I will kill you" [04:42] <_stink_> haha [08:01] morning from Budapest [08:01] sleep is good, but ugh still [11:30] g'morning [11:31] afternoon [11:32] Heh [11:32] how's budapest? [11:33] cool, finally starting code to cood [11:33] code that is [11:33] bah, sorry talking to 3 people at once [11:34] I bet it's pretty hectic over there. [12:32] morning [12:33] forgot all about last night's meeting. Actually was in bed by 9 :-p [12:33] so we're keeping monthlies on Sunday at 9? [12:34] Wolfger: Looks that way. [12:38] Well then I look forward to completely forgetting about many more. [12:38] Heh [12:38] Sorry [12:38] Crappy thing is, this day/time was originally my idea [12:38] oh well. Life changes, things go on. [12:39] but sometimes THINGS DIE [12:39] Got your e-mail reminder yesterday morning and was fully determined to show up for the meeting, too. [12:39] That's it, brousch. Always look on the bright side of life. [12:39] * Wolfger whistles [12:40] damn you [12:40] Speaking of which, off to work. [12:40] Laterness. [12:40] seeya [12:41] always look on the bright side of death!/just before you draw your terminal breath [12:43] Now you've got it! :-) [12:48] now i've got it stuck in my head you mean [12:57] Excellent [13:52] back [13:52] Also, Dropbox is awesome. [13:54] snap-l++ [13:56] synced my read / review files without too much trouble. [13:58] Gah, forgot the goofy little cable for my Sansa player [13:58] snap-l: it's the same as many cameras [14:00] http://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdiskus/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/CategoryID.11449200/productID.103565200 [14:24] Well, that was fun. [14:31] good [14:31] Had my computer do all sorts of interesting things (not display the theme properly) [14:32] welcome to unity! [14:33] bah [14:34] I hope part of the precise cycle is fixing this wonkiness [14:34] Seriously want to love Unity, but it's getting on my nerves. [14:38] ++ [14:41] s/getting/got/ [14:58] Unity has already converted tjagoda to KDE... come join the fun [15:01] I'm not ready for that yet. [15:01] Wolfger: and me [15:01] I'm going to hold out for 12.04 [15:01] If I feel it's not moved in the right direction, I'm bailing as well [15:02] I'm actually very happy with KDE under 32-bit Ocelot [15:03] much better than the last two times I tried to come back to KDE [15:03] <3 KDE [15:03] I approve of the increased discussion of KDE in this channel [15:03] it feels so much more mature than gnome3 and unity [15:04] like everything you need is there and you can tweak it to your liking [15:04] Though I'm going to have to bail on Rekonq. It's a much better browser than it used to be, but it crashes too often. [15:05] gnome3/unity always feels like a feature isn't there, or if it is you have to use it just how the author wants you to [15:05] It does suck less resources than FF or Chromium, though. At least, it seems that way. Haven't done a true comparison. [15:05] brousch: that has always been my problem with Gnome... You have to use it the way somebody else wants you to :-p [15:06] well it's not a problem as long you agree with the dev [15:06] Hey, any other WeatherSpark users here? [15:06] Seems like there should be a forecast for amount of precipitation, but all I'm seeing is % chance of precipitation. [15:07] yeah [15:07] I use it [15:07] see nothing there about rain [15:08] I'm looking at "40% chance of light snow" on Friday... Sure would be nice to know what "light snow" is... [15:09] I mean, I consider 1-2 inches to be light, but there's a huge difference traffic-wise between "no accumulation" and 2 inches [15:11] heh, yeah [15:11] The thing about Unity / GNOME3 is that there are lots of ways to tweak things, and they're all inside dconf / gconf [15:12] Wolfger: Any forecast that's more than 24 hours is highly suspect. [15:12] hence the chance of snow, but no real numbers to back it up [15:13] that's like tweaking Windows by hacking the registry [15:15] i <3 linux [15:15] nepomuk has had both CPUs at 100% all morning while it indexes, but my performance is not affected at all [15:16] I often just turn that off. I know where my files are. That's why I have directories [15:16] i want to give it a try [15:16] gnome has that zeitgeist thing [15:18] Nepomuk does a decent job of staying out of the way of real work.... only issue I have with it running at 100% is the heat [15:18] it's especially bad (or used to be) when indexing NTFS. [15:19] well i think the fans in this MBP are running all the time, so heat isn't an issue [15:20] brousch: MBP is terrible for heat dissipation [15:20] at least the older ones were [15:20] this one keeps my hands warm in the winter [15:20] when I had one, it felt like I was BBQing my nads if I didn't have a lap desk [15:20] dissipates through the aluminum [15:21] I find the thinkpads are much more efficient for keeping cool [15:22] Since installing Ocelot, I have not had any CPU heat issues yet... Of course, I also don't have my NTFS automounting in FSTAB yet either. [15:23] yeah, no heat issues with this, but again, i think the fans are always on [15:23] which means i get about 75% of the battery life it had unser OSX [15:23] good enough [15:36] snap-l: that doctoro talk has me totally uninterested in tablet devices [15:36] thanks, you saved me $500 [15:36] heh [15:38] a friend of mine has hacked debian onto his $99 nook simple touch [15:38] eink device [16:16] nullspace: you're welcome. [16:42] That Doctorow talk has me... completely unphased about my purchase of a Kindle Touch. It's still awesome. Looking forward to a better world, though. [16:44] i had almost forgotten just how much i missed the MBP touchpad [16:44] such a beautiful thing [16:59] cd [16:59] bah [17:01] mp3 [17:01] no scrollback, doctorow talk link? [17:05] krondor: the link was on G+ [17:05] which I can't access again now that I'm back at work :-p [17:06] Wolfger: Thanks :) I'll find it [17:07] krondor: It's been all over the net [17:07] I just googled it [17:08] http://goo.gl/H5AKB [17:08] a 28c3 talk [17:08] oh yeah I read the transcript, didn't watch the video good stuff [17:09] "I came across your resume as your experience is relevant to one of my current openings" .... Liar! [17:10] "Required Skills: 3+ years experience supporting open source email at an enterprise level (10K + users)" <-- I do not have that requirement. Why are you bothering me? [17:23] Wolfger: You don't support open source email at an enterprise level? :) [18:05] Wolfger: I don't see e-readers replacing general PCs [18:05] books maybe but not a computer [18:07] tablets could replace laptops for most people [18:08] maybe even home PCs [18:08] if printing were easy, i could replace my dad, grandma, and FIL's cpmputers with a tablet [18:13] yeah, we had a Asus Transformer here with the keyboard [18:13] if not for code, I easily could use it for 90% of stuff [18:13] 90%+ [18:14] plus, it pops off and suddenly is a tablet. It's pretty awesome [18:14] right, coding and printing [18:18] I very rarely print, so for me just code [18:19] but yeah, could be an issue. Never tried printing from android [18:20] supposedly you can go through google cloud print now [18:21] but that requires you have a Windows or OSX computer sitting around that handles the print sharing for you [18:21] lame [18:23] indeed [18:23] though it's kind of cool that i can print to the big printers at work from anywhere [18:23] there's a big color plotter here [18:24] I kind of want to use it for something. anything [18:24] preferably lolcats [18:24] just find a good "OH HAI" one, hang it by the door in the morning [18:32] brousch: yeah cloud print works kind of well actually, but you do need that print server. [18:33] i have not actually tried it with android, but it worked well with my chromebook [18:43] Resolved: Technology should be an aid, not a crutch. [18:44] We have tech here at the plant to assist people in doing things better/faster/efficiently, but when the tech fails they act like they suddenly can't do their job at all. [18:48] Wolfger: Yep [18:48] That wouldn't surprise me in the least. [19:21] it's frightening how much arguing with apple-lovers is like arguing with religious people [19:26] s/apple/$OPERATING_SYSTEM/ [19:30] s/$OPERATING_SYSTEM-lovers/festishizers/ [19:35] s/religious people/religious zealots/ [19:36] s/.*/anyone [19:37] Give peace a chance, maaaaaaaan [19:37] that's all we are saying [19:40] you might call me a dreamer [19:42] Dream On [19:42] Dream on [19:42] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [19:47] you're right. i may be drawing that comparison because those are pretty much the only people i argue with [22:22] buffer #ubuntuone [22:22] bah [23:31] ooh, asus just unveiled a 1920x1200 resolution tablet... [23:31] that's tempting [23:36] wow [23:36] crazy [23:40] how big is it? [23:40] 10.1" [23:40] http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/asus-eee-pad-memo-me171-me370t-and-high-end-transformer-prime-t/ [23:45] geez [23:46] these things really need an integrated IDE [23:46] create apps right on the device