[01:40] <jjesse> meeting tonight right?
[01:41] <gamerchick02> i got an email about it
[01:53] <snap-l>  Yep, we'll get started in 7 minutes.
[01:57] <gamerchick02> Downton Abbey is on, so i might not be paying much attention
[01:57] <snap-l> gah, I tried to watch that show
[01:57] <brousch> tivo it
[01:58] <snap-l> Felt like a big load of "why am I watching this?"
[01:58] <gamerchick02> it's bloody awesome
[01:58] <gamerchick02> it's got Maggie Smith in it, so it's good. ;)
[01:59] <snap-l> Even she couldn't assuage me
[01:59] <gamerchick02> it's like a soap though. i like Doc Martin too. *shrug*
[01:59] <snap-l> but we only watched one episode
[01:59] <gamerchick02> i love Maggie Smith
[01:59] <gamerchick02> oh you have to see the whole thing
[01:59] <gamerchick02> i don't have a tivo, brousch
[01:59] <gamerchick02> i have cable, but no dvr
[01:59] <brousch> barbaric
[01:59] <snap-l> I don't think I need an entire fruitcake to let me know I don't like fruitcake
[01:59]  * gamerchick02 is cheap
[01:59] <gamerchick02> good point, snap-l.
[02:00] <brousch> do you knap your own knives from obsidian too?
[02:00] <gamerchick02> i like it. it's my thing though
[02:00] <gamerchick02> brousch, no.
[02:00] <snap-l> OK, let's get started
[02:00] <gamerchick02> i have a VCR.
[02:00] <gamerchick02> ok
[02:00] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/312/detail/
[02:00] <brousch> i'm riding th exercise bike. sorry if i smell funny
[02:00] <snap-l> That's got the agenda
[02:01] <snap-l> First order of business: moving the meeting
[02:01] <brousch> what tme is it in budapest?
[02:01] <snap-l> quite honestly, I broached this, but I think this time works best
[02:01] <snap-l> Probably morning
[02:01] <jjesse> i agree
[02:01] <gamerchick02> Sundays aren't the best for me, but that's just... me
[02:02] <snap-l> We seem to get enough people
[02:02] <gamerchick02> true
[02:02] <snap-l> I know there's always going to be people who can't make it, but I think we should keep this for a while until it really becomes a problem
[02:02] <gamerchick02> i'll try to make as many as i can
[02:02] <snap-l> awesome
[02:03] <snap-l> Any further comments?
[02:03] <gamerchick02> sounds silly but it conflicts with Masterpiece. :-P (if it were Sherlock, i would definitely not be here)
[02:03] <snap-l> That's what laptops are for. ;)
[02:03] <gamerchick02> true
[02:03] <snap-l> Sheesh
[02:03] <gamerchick02> i'm watching with the laptop. ;)
[02:03] <gamerchick02> anyway, continue
[02:03] <jjesse> this time works the best for me out of any
[02:03] <gib> Just finished watching Once upon A Time. Ends at 9PM EST.
[02:04] <tbemus> I like getting the reminders,  Thanks~
[02:04] <snap-l> Yeah, I think the only regulars that really can't make it are Wolfger.
[02:04] <tbemus> !
[02:04] <gib> I'd prefer earlier since I get up early on weekdays.
[02:04] <snap-l> Yeah, I'll make a habit of sending out the e-mail to let folks know
[02:04] <snap-l> gib: Not bloody likely
[02:04] <gamerchick02> i like the email though.
[02:04] <jjesse> this works the best, any earlier cuts into bed time
[02:05] <snap-l> but we can make the meetings briefer
[02:05] <gamerchick02> bed time?
[02:05] <jjesse> son's bed time
[02:05] <gamerchick02> oh. sorry.
[02:05] <gib> How does earlier than 9PM EST cut into bed time?
[02:05] <snap-l> so, without further ado...
[02:05] <snap-l> SWAG.
[02:05] <jjesse> if i'm home i'm helping out w/ bed time
[02:05] <jjesse> we have SWAG?
[02:06] <gamerchick02> swag is always welcome.
[02:06] <snap-l> brousch: You added it, please elaborate. ;)
[02:06] <gib> OH, so you need to keep it later for a child's time to coordinate.  I get it.
[02:06] <jjesse> yeah and i think snap-l is in the same boat
[02:06] <brousch> we have a lifetime's worth of cds
[02:06] <snap-l> jjesse: I don't have children
[02:06] <brousch> stickers are much bette for handing out
[02:06] <snap-l> brousch: Agreed
[02:06] <gamerchick02> stickers are always welcome.
[02:06] <jjesse> soryr
[02:06] <jjesse> sorry
[02:07] <brousch> bdtime++
[02:07] <gib> So, what kind of stickers?
[02:07] <brousch> ubuntu/kubuntu stickrs
[02:07] <gamerchick02> nice!
[02:07] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences <- These are the ones that I'm aware of
[02:07] <tbemus> +1
[02:07] <brousch> http://shop.canonical.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=stickers&op=Search
[02:08] <brousch> we have 3 or 4 canonical employees in th group. i would think they could hook us up
[02:09] <snap-l> I'm not sure how we got them in the past
[02:09] <snap-l> I know Ohio got a conference pack for OLF
[02:10] <brousch> greg-g sent me 2 sheets. i gave them away in about 4 months
[02:10] <brousch> one sticker at a time
[02:11] <snap-l> I'll look into getting some swag
[02:11] <snap-l> worst they can say is "buy it". :)
[02:11] <brousch> i did
[02:11] <brousch> shipping sucks
[02:11] <snap-l> Yeah
[02:12] <snap-l> but we do have Penguicon coming up
[02:12] <snap-l> And some release parties I would assume. :)
[02:13] <brousch> it seems like a blob of stickers would be a good thing for official locos
[02:13] <snap-l> So, we have some things we'd be available for.
[02:13] <gib> We can make some stuff at http://techshop.ws   they just opened a Detroit location.
[02:14] <snap-l> gib: Why don't you look into that? There's info here on using the brand: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/
[02:16] <snap-l> Speaking of which, 12.04 is going to be released soon
[02:17] <snap-l> And as is customary, we have release parties.
[02:17] <tbemus> Do you know the date?  late April?
[02:17] <snap-l> Not offhand
[02:17] <brousch> snap-l: and a bug jam
[02:18] <snap-l> Yep
[02:18] <brousch> my annual trek to AA
[02:18] <snap-l> The release of Ubuntu 12.04 is scheduled for April 26th.
[02:19] <snap-l> I haven't heard when the gloal jam is scheduled
[02:19] <snap-l> generally we coincide with that
[02:19] <tbemus> Release party at Penguicon?
[02:19] <gib> Well I'm just a beginner - I bet we can make some cheap really bad art that would be cool.
[02:20] <snap-l> gib: There's some PDF files on there
[02:20] <snap-l> Global Jam is 2-4 of March
[02:20] <snap-l> Yeah, I think the release party will be at Penguicon again
[02:20] <brousch> gib: we have a decent ubuntu-mi logo
[02:21] <gib> Which files do we like?
[02:22] <snap-l> gib: Why don't you take them and see what techchop could do wtih them?
[02:23] <gib> I see some Commical t-shirts that look interesting.  But they may be copyrighted.
[02:24] <snap-l> So, to recap, plan on some jam activity in March
[02:24] <brousch> techshop sounds like i3
[02:25] <snap-l> I'll ask jrwren if SRT will be available during that weekend in March
[02:26] <gib> Simple designs: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718
[02:26] <gib> Techshop is like i3 but they have a million dollars of equipment.
[02:27] <snap-l> Any other business that anyone would like to discuss?
[02:27] <gib> Humm:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=UbuntuPoster-Virus.png
[02:27] <snap-l> So, to recap:
[02:27] <gamerchick02> uh, Downton Abbey is awesome?
[02:27] <snap-l> 1) Meetings will stay on Sundays # 9pm
[02:27] <snap-l> 2) I'll look into getting some swag from our events
[02:28] <snap-l> 3) We'll start planning the global jam at SRT
[02:28] <snap-l> 4) Release party is during Penguicon (anyone want to coordinate this? :) )
[02:28] <brousch> we lost greg-g in ann arbor, but jrwren is still there
[02:30] <snap-l> OK, I'll add those agenda items to the next meeting
[02:30] <snap-l> Anythig else?
[02:30] <gamerchick02> not from here.
[02:31] <gib> Goodnight all  . . .
[02:31] <snap-l> Next Meeting is Feb 5th
[02:31] <snap-l> Thanks everyone!
[02:31] <gamerchick02> cool!
[02:31] <brousch> thank you snap-l
[02:31] <gamerchick02> see you all then. or earlier, i hope. i've been bad about not being in irc but it seems dead in the evening.
[02:31] <gamerchick02> i don't have internet at work. :(
[02:32] <gib> So, we do this every week? ON Sunday ant 9PM EST?
[02:32] <brousch> gib: month
[02:32] <jjesse> every month
[02:32] <gib> Oh, ok.
[02:32] <jjesse> but we hang out here all the time
[02:32] <gamerchick02> i'm off to finish Downton Abbey. see everyone tomorrow after work.
[02:33] <gib> First Sunday?
[02:33] <snap-l> gib: Generally, but this year it was on New Years Day
[02:34] <gib> Okay.  See ya.  I've got this on my calendar now.
[02:34] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical <- iCal feed
[02:35] <brousch> gib: you could subscribe to the ubuntu-mi calendar, then it's put on for you
[02:35] <snap-l> Has all of our events.
[02:35] <gib> Yeah, I really prefer to control my calendar myself.
[02:36] <gib> Well - bye bye for now  - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[02:36] <brousch> heh
[02:37] <snap-l> I guess I shouldn't tell him about copying events to your calendar.
[02:37] <snap-l> Sheesh
[02:38] <brousch> probably using some crusty open source calendar that doesn't handle subscriptions well
[02:38] <snap-l> Also, ust once I'd like to not hear about tech shop
[02:38] <snap-l> I swear, ever since it opened I hear about it at least once per encounter with Gib. :)
[02:39] <brousch> hah, well i think we all have those projects we pimp all the time
[02:39] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm guilty of that
[02:40] <snap-l> But I'm to the point where every time it gets mentioned adds one more month of me ignoring it.
[02:40] <snap-l> I think I'm up to most of 2013
[02:41] <brousch> is it different from i3 or a competitor?
[02:41] <brousch> i suppose you east siders have enough space to have several hackerspaces
[02:43] <snap-l> I think it's something in partnership with Ford
[02:43] <jjesse> is that what it is?  a hackerspace?
[02:43] <jjesse> i seem to just ignore it
[02:44] <brousch> from the description it looks like a hackerspace
[02:49] <jjesse> so who watches downtown abby?
[02:49] <jjesse> just found it on netflix
[02:50] <brousch> is that like sister act?
[02:52] <jjesse> no idea
[02:54] <locodir-user> Anyone here?
[02:56] <snap-l> locodir-user: Hello
[02:56] <snap-l> locodir-user: We just finished the meeting, so it may be a little quiet here. :)
[03:01] <jhansonxi> Tried to pay attention.  Was busy playing Shadowgrounds (Humble Bundle game).
[03:01] <snap-l> no worries. ;)
[03:43] <snap-l>  Note: Apparently JoDee is not used to me hitting on a drum practice pad
[03:43] <snap-l> I believe the phrase she used was "I will kill you"
[04:42] <_stink_> haha
[08:01] <rick_h__> morning from Budapest
[08:01] <rick_h__> sleep is good, but ugh still
[11:30] <snap-l> g'morning
[11:31] <rick_h__> afternoon
[11:32] <snap-l> Heh
[11:32] <snap-l> how's budapest?
[11:33] <rick_h__> cool, finally starting code to cood
[11:33] <rick_h__> code that is
[11:33] <rick_h__> bah, sorry talking to 3 people at once
[11:34] <snap-l> I bet it's pretty hectic over there.
[12:32] <Wolfger> morning
[12:33] <Wolfger> forgot all about last night's meeting. Actually was in bed by 9 :-p
[12:33] <Wolfger> so we're keeping monthlies on Sunday at 9?
[12:34] <snap-l> Wolfger: Looks that way.
[12:38] <Wolfger> Well then I look forward to completely forgetting about many more.
[12:38] <snap-l> Heh
[12:38] <snap-l> Sorry
[12:38] <Wolfger> Crappy thing is, this day/time was originally my idea
[12:38] <Wolfger> oh well. Life changes, things go on.
[12:39] <brousch> but sometimes THINGS DIE
[12:39] <Wolfger> Got your e-mail reminder yesterday morning and was fully determined to show up for the meeting, too.
[12:39] <Wolfger> That's it, brousch. Always look on the bright side of life.
[12:39]  * Wolfger whistles
[12:40] <brousch> damn you
[12:40] <snap-l> Speaking of which, off to work.
[12:40] <snap-l> Laterness.
[12:40] <Wolfger> seeya
[12:41] <brousch> always look on the bright side of death!/just before you draw your terminal breath
[12:43] <Wolfger> Now you've got it! :-)
[12:48] <brousch> now i've got it stuck in my head you mean
[12:57] <Wolfger> Excellent
[13:52] <snap-l> back
[13:52] <snap-l> Also, Dropbox is awesome.
[13:54] <brousch> snap-l++
[13:56] <snap-l> synced my read / review files without too much trouble.
[13:58] <snap-l> Gah, forgot the goofy little cable for my Sansa player
[13:58] <brousch> snap-l: it's the same as many cameras
[14:00] <snap-l> http://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdiskus/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/CategoryID.11449200/productID.103565200
[14:24] <snap-l> Well, that was fun.
[14:31] <brousch> good
[14:31] <snap-l> Had my computer do all sorts of interesting things (not display the theme properly)
[14:32] <brousch> welcome to unity!
[14:33] <snap-l> bah
[14:34] <snap-l> I hope part of the precise cycle is fixing this wonkiness
[14:34] <snap-l> Seriously want to love Unity, but it's getting on my nerves.
[14:38] <brousch> ++
[14:41] <brousch> s/getting/got/
[14:58] <Wolfger> Unity has already converted tjagoda to KDE... come join the fun
[15:01] <snap-l> I'm not ready for that yet.
[15:01] <brousch> Wolfger: and me
[15:01] <snap-l> I'm going to hold out for 12.04
[15:01] <snap-l> If I feel it's not moved in the right direction, I'm bailing as well
[15:02] <Wolfger> I'm actually very happy with KDE under 32-bit Ocelot
[15:03] <Wolfger> much better than the last two times I tried to come back to KDE
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> <3 KDE
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> I approve of the increased discussion of KDE in this channel
[15:03] <brousch> it feels so much more mature than gnome3 and unity
[15:04] <brousch> like everything you need is there and you can tweak it to your liking
[15:04] <Wolfger> Though I'm going to have to bail on Rekonq. It's a much better browser than it used to be, but it crashes too often.
[15:05] <brousch> gnome3/unity always feels like a feature isn't there, or if it is you have to use it just how the author wants you to
[15:05] <Wolfger> It does suck less resources than FF or Chromium, though. At least, it seems that way. Haven't done a true comparison.
[15:05] <Wolfger> brousch: that has always been my problem with Gnome... You have to use it the way somebody else wants you to :-p
[15:06] <brousch> well it's not a problem as long you agree with the dev
[15:06] <Wolfger> Hey, any other WeatherSpark users here?
[15:06] <Wolfger> Seems like there should be a forecast for amount of precipitation, but all I'm seeing is % chance of precipitation.
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> yeah
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> I use it
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> see nothing there about rain
[15:08] <Wolfger> I'm looking at "40% chance of light snow" on Friday... Sure would be nice to know what "light snow" is...
[15:09] <Wolfger> I mean, I consider 1-2 inches to be light, but there's a huge difference traffic-wise between "no accumulation" and 2 inches
[15:11] <ColonelPanic001> heh, yeah
[15:11] <snap-l> The thing about Unity / GNOME3 is that there are lots of ways to tweak things, and they're all inside dconf / gconf
[15:12] <snap-l> Wolfger: Any forecast that's more than 24 hours is highly suspect.
[15:12] <snap-l> hence the chance of snow, but no real numbers to back it up
[15:13] <brousch> that's like tweaking Windows by hacking the registry
[15:15] <brousch> i <3 linux
[15:15] <brousch> nepomuk has had both CPUs at 100% all morning while it indexes, but my performance is not affected at all
[15:16] <ColonelPanic001> I often just turn that off. I know where my files are. That's why I have directories
[15:16] <brousch> i want to give it a try
[15:16] <brousch> gnome has that zeitgeist thing
[15:18] <Wolfger> Nepomuk does a decent job of staying out of the way of real work.... only issue I have with it running at 100% is the heat
[15:18] <Wolfger> it's especially bad (or used to be) when indexing NTFS.
[15:19] <brousch> well i think the fans in this MBP are running all the time, so heat isn't an issue
[15:20] <snap-l> brousch: MBP is terrible for heat dissipation
[15:20] <snap-l> at least the older ones were
[15:20] <brousch> this one keeps my hands warm in the winter
[15:20] <snap-l> when I had one, it felt like I was BBQing my nads if I didn't have a lap desk
[15:20] <brousch> dissipates through the aluminum
[15:21] <snap-l> I find the thinkpads are much more efficient for keeping cool
[15:22] <Wolfger> Since installing Ocelot, I have not had any CPU heat issues yet... Of course, I also don't have my NTFS automounting in FSTAB yet either.
[15:23] <brousch> yeah, no heat issues with this, but again, i think the fans are always on
[15:23] <brousch> which means i get about 75% of the battery life it had unser OSX
[15:23] <brousch> good enough
[15:36] <nullspace> snap-l: that doctoro talk has me totally uninterested in tablet devices
[15:36] <nullspace> thanks, you saved me $500
[15:36] <brousch> heh
[15:38] <brousch> a friend of mine has hacked debian onto his $99 nook simple touch
[15:38] <brousch> eink device
[16:16] <snap-l> nullspace: you're welcome.
[16:42] <Wolfger> That Doctorow talk has me... completely unphased about my purchase of a Kindle Touch. It's still awesome. Looking forward to a better world, though.
[16:44] <brousch> i had almost forgotten just how much i missed the MBP touchpad
[16:44] <brousch> such a beautiful thing
[16:59] <snap-l> cd
[16:59] <snap-l> bah
[17:01] <brousch> mp3
[17:01] <krondor> no scrollback, doctorow talk link?
[17:05] <Wolfger> krondor: the link was on G+
[17:05] <Wolfger> which I can't access again now that I'm back at work :-p
[17:06] <krondor> Wolfger:  Thanks :) I'll find it
[17:07] <snap-l> krondor: It's been all over the net
[17:07] <Wolfger> I just googled it
[17:08] <Wolfger> http://goo.gl/H5AKB
[17:08] <Wolfger> a 28c3 talk
[17:08] <krondor> oh yeah I read the transcript, didn't watch the video good stuff
[17:09] <Wolfger> "I came across your resume as your experience is relevant to one of my current openings" .... Liar!
[17:10] <Wolfger> "Required Skills:    3+ years experience supporting open source email at an enterprise level (10K + users)"  <-- I do not have that requirement. Why are you bothering me?
[17:23] <snap-l> Wolfger: You don't support open source email at an enterprise level? :)
[18:05] <nullspace> Wolfger: I don't see e-readers replacing general PCs
[18:05] <nullspace> books maybe but not a computer
[18:07] <brousch> tablets could replace laptops for most people
[18:08] <brousch> maybe even home PCs
[18:08] <brousch> if printing were easy, i could replace my dad, grandma, and FIL's cpmputers with a tablet
[18:13] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, we had a Asus Transformer here with the keyboard
[18:13] <ColonelPanic001> if not for code, I easily could use it for 90% of stuff
[18:13] <ColonelPanic001> 90%+
[18:14] <ColonelPanic001> plus, it pops off and suddenly is a tablet. It's pretty awesome
[18:14] <brousch> right, coding and printing
[18:18] <ColonelPanic001> I very rarely print, so for me just code
[18:19] <ColonelPanic001> but yeah, could be an issue. Never tried printing from android
[18:20] <brousch> supposedly you can go through google cloud print now
[18:21] <brousch> but that requires you have a Windows or OSX computer sitting around that handles the print sharing for you
[18:21] <ColonelPanic001> lame
[18:23] <brousch> indeed
[18:23] <brousch> though it's kind of cool that i can print to the big printers at work from anywhere
[18:23] <ColonelPanic001> there's a big color plotter here
[18:24] <ColonelPanic001> I kind of want to use it for something. anything
[18:24] <ColonelPanic001> preferably lolcats
[18:24] <ColonelPanic001> just find a good "OH HAI" one, hang it by the door in the morning
[18:32] <krondor> brousch:  yeah cloud print works kind of well actually, but you do need that print server.
[18:33] <brousch> i have not actually tried it with android, but it worked well with my chromebook
[18:43] <Wolfger> Resolved: Technology should be an aid, not a crutch.
[18:44] <Wolfger> We have tech here at the plant to assist people in doing things better/faster/efficiently, but when the tech fails they act like they suddenly can't do their job at all.
[18:48] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yep
[18:48] <snap-l> That wouldn't surprise me in the least.
[19:21] <brousch> it's frightening how much arguing with apple-lovers is like arguing with religious people
[19:26] <Blazeix> s/apple/$OPERATING_SYSTEM/
[19:30] <greg-g> s/$OPERATING_SYSTEM-lovers/festishizers/
[19:35] <Wolfger> s/religious people/religious zealots/
[19:36] <snap-l> s/.*/anyone
[19:37] <snap-l> Give peace a chance, maaaaaaaan
[19:37] <Wolfger> that's all we are saying
[19:40] <greg-g> you might call me a dreamer
[19:42] <Wolfger> Dream On
[19:42] <snap-l> Dream on
[19:42] <snap-l> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[19:47] <brousch> you're right. i may be drawing that comparison because those are pretty much the only people i argue with
[22:22] <snap-l> buffer #ubuntuone
[22:22] <snap-l> bah
[23:31] <Blazeix> ooh, asus just unveiled a 1920x1200 resolution tablet...
[23:31] <Blazeix> that's tempting
[23:36] <brousch> wow
[23:36] <brousch> crazy
[23:40] <brousch> how big is it?
[23:40] <Blazeix> 10.1"
[23:40] <Blazeix> http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/asus-eee-pad-memo-me171-me370t-and-high-end-transformer-prime-t/
[23:45] <brousch> geez
[23:46] <brousch> these things really need an integrated IDE
[23:46] <brousch> create apps right on the device