| knome | Unit193, check your wikipage | 11:20 |
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| micahg | so, meeting at 17:00? | 11:24 |
| knome | yeah. i'm not sure i can attend, but i completely think we should keep that meeting whatsoever | 11:24 |
| knome | somebody else who could chair that if i'm not available? | 11:24 |
| knome | micahg, you still therE? | 11:38 |
| knome | micahg, there seems to be a TB meeting at jan 12, 21UTC | 11:39 |
| knome | micahg, could you make it? | 11:39 |
| knome | maybe-ubiquity is most probably landing in precise for xubuntu :) | 11:43 |
| micahg | knome: idk, maybe | 11:43 |
| knome | ok | 11:43 |
| knome | i sent the LTS proposal for the TB | 11:44 |
| knome | and added the item to the agenda | 11:44 |
| knome | :) | 11:44 |
| knome | ok, maybe-ubiquity should be fixed. to all testers: can you check all the images tomorrow and see if they look fine | 11:46 |
| micahg | knome: BTW, I don't think we've had images since Dec 20 | 12:05 |
| micahg | bbl | 12:05 |
| knome | huh? | 12:05 |
| knome | why is that? | 12:05 |
| astraljava | I don't understand. They're there. | 12:19 |
| knome | me neither | 12:20 |
| knome | :) | 12:20 |
| knome | pleia2, ? | 12:56 |
| micahg | knome: I don't see the images on cdimage.u.c | 13:24 |
| micahg | knome: BTW, at 18:00 I probably cannot attend | 13:26 |
| micahg | but again, not necessary | 13:26 |
| ochosi | micahg: what about the thunderbird-bug? | 13:27 |
| micahg | ochosi: will try to upstream it later | 13:27 |
| ochosi | k :) | 13:27 |
| ochosi | micahg: "later" as in "later today"? | 13:31 |
| micahg | we'll see :) | 13:31 |
| ochosi | k :) | 13:32 |
| astraljava | micahg: I still don't understand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/798202/ | 13:35 |
| micahg | idk | 13:36 |
| nanotube | feature suggestion: put a link to the sound panel within the main settings manager. as it is, it's only accessible via the sound panel applet... | 16:15 |
| ochosi | nanotube: you mean the mixer? (it's in multimedia) | 16:16 |
| nanotube | i mean, the sound config panel you open when you click the speaker icon in panel, and go to 'sound settings...' | 16:17 |
| ochosi | yeah, but that's xfce4-mixer, it's also in the menu in multimedia > mixer | 16:18 |
| ochosi | but i agree that some people (especially coming from the windows-world) would expect it to be in the settings-manager | 16:18 |
| ochosi | it kinda makes more sense there | 16:19 |
| nanotube | hm, multimedia -> mixer looks different than that sound settings panel | 16:19 |
| nanotube | windows-world, kde-world, or gnome-world :) | 16:19 |
| ochosi | rly? maybe i modified my installation too much :) mind to take a screenshot for me? | 16:19 |
| nanotube | ochosi: sure. just a sec. | 16:19 |
| nanotube | http://imgur.com/9IV6r | 16:20 |
| nanotube | sound at top, mixer at bottom | 16:20 |
| ochosi | is this a standard xubuntu install? | 16:21 |
| ochosi | or did you have something else installed before (e.g. ubuntu) | 16:22 |
| mr_pouit | that's either "gnome-volume-control --page=applications" or "gnome-control-center sound" | 16:26 |
| mr_pouit | xfce4-mixer is tried after these two | 16:26 |
| ochosi | yup, so it's not part of the default install | 16:26 |
| mr_pouit | indeed | 16:26 |
| ochosi | i mean i'm not really opposed to putting the mixer in the settings | 16:26 |
| ochosi | it's kinda where it belongs | 16:26 |
| ochosi | but we should strive not to clutter the settings-manager too much | 16:27 |
| ochosi | otherwise it becomes useless | 16:27 |
| charlie-tca | For whoever is chairing the meeting today; I can't make it at 18:00 UTC | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | However, testing is ongoing. I test the images daily, for the most part. Would be nice to have a few more people involved in that. Results are always posted at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds | 17:11 |
| Unit193 | knome: Thanks a ton! | 17:28 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: GridCube and I are still doing them (just later than you it seems) | 17:29 |
| charlie-tca | you documented a couple, but I have not seen very many on the tracker from either of you | 17:30 |
| charlie-tca | Even if they are the same installs, they need to be documented, please. | 17:30 |
| Unit193 | Hmm.... I know I've done more than a few, and I have been trying to put them on (I could be doing that wrong I guess). I do them later in the day EST if that counts | 17:33 |
| charlie-tca | Anytime is fine. I will try to remember to look at the tracker more often. Maybe I missed them. | 17:36 |
| charlie-tca | Not being able to get reports hurts. It makes it vey much more difficult to tell what is being done. | 17:36 |
| Unit193 | When is it too late to run them? | 17:36 |
| nanotube | ochosi: it is an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu :) | 17:36 |
| nanotube | so is the 'sound' panel from gnome? and the mixer from xfce? | 17:37 |
| charlie-tca | It is too late when the new image posts at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ . If no new image goes up, it keeps the previous test results. | 17:37 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: I will ask stgrabber to let me access the reports, then maybe we can figure what is really happening. | 17:40 |
| ochosi | nanotube: yes | 17:41 |
| Unit193 | That'd be awesome, but it'd be nice if more could do it (see if I'm doing something wrong. I don't like the new system so much, but I do try) | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | I know that feeling, too. It is very difficult when we can't see things for more than a few hours at a day. | 17:42 |
| charlie-tca | I do plan on moving my test schedule to the wiki, for all to see and use. It makes sense now that we are tracking using the qa tracker. | 17:43 |
| ochosi | reminder: meeting in ~15min | 17:46 |
| nanotube | ochosi: well... fwiw that gnome panel has a lot more options than the xfce panel. :) for one, it lets me choose hdmi output. the other day some guy came in and asked about setting hdmi output, i pointed him to the panel and he said 'i can't see anything like that here'... | 17:47 |
| nanotube | if i'd known it was a gnome panel, i'd have told him heh | 17:47 |
| ochosi | nanotube: but it's deprecated (at least gnome2 panel) | 17:47 |
| ochosi | personally i've never missed anything in the panel | 17:48 |
| ochosi | brb | 17:48 |
| nanotube | well, it came with oneiric install... so it can't be that deprecated :) (and iirc, it looked exactly the same from the ubuntu/unity side, so it must be a gnome3 panel, because i'm sure oneiric doesn't have gnome2) | 17:49 |
| ochosi | notice: i'll conduct the meeting in absence of knome today | 18:00 |
| ochosi | since it's my first time, feel free to let me know if i miss something or make a mistake (e.g. charlie-tca) | 18:01 |
| ochosi | #startmeeting | 18:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Jan 9 18:01:13 2012 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 18:01 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 18:01 |
| ochosi | since we have no business from last time, i'll go straight to the team updates | 18:01 |
| ochosi | #topic Packaging and Development | 18:01 |
| ochosi | micahg, mr_pouit: are you here? | 18:02 |
| mr_pouit | I just arrived home, so I'm nto ready, sorry :< | 18:02 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: shall we get back to this topic later? | 18:03 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: or: when would you be ready? | 18:03 |
| mr_pouit | I don't have much to say anyway: the usual amount of bugfix uploads this week | 18:03 |
| ochosi | shall i say something about xfdesktop? | 18:04 |
| mr_pouit | (I need some testing to be done, so I need to follow up by mail on xubuntu-devel) | 18:04 |
| mr_pouit | mmh, as you wish | 18:04 |
| ochosi | ok, you can still post to the ml | 18:04 |
| ochosi | #info mr_pouit has applied some long-standing patches from bugzilla.xfce.org to xfdesktop for precise | 18:04 |
| ochosi | #info since it isn't maintained upstream at the moment (devs are waiting for the desktop to become a thunar-extension) it makes sense to patch it for xubuntu downstream | 18:05 |
| ochosi | #info among the patches is e.g. (rudimentary) thumbnail-support for the desktop | 18:06 |
| ochosi | micahg: anything from your side? | 18:06 |
| micahg | not really | 18:07 |
| ochosi | ok, then let's move on | 18:08 |
| ochosi | #topic Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation | 18:08 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: any updates from your side? | 18:09 |
| ochosi | Unit193: anything from testing? | 18:10 |
| micahg | ochosi: see backscroll before the meeting | 18:11 |
| ochosi | micahg: thanks, missed that | 18:11 |
| knome | o/ | 18:12 |
| ochosi | #info testing is ongoing, charlie-tca tests the images daily. it would be nice to have more people involved in that | 18:12 |
| ochosi | #chair knome | 18:12 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: knome ochosi | 18:12 |
| Unit193 | \o | 18:12 |
| ochosi | #link Results are always posted at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds | 18:13 |
| ochosi | Unit193: any updates from your side? (feel free to use #info) | 18:13 |
| knome | #info maybe-ubiquity will land on images tomorrow, testers note: please check if everything looks as should | 18:13 |
| Unit193 | Currectly too big to fit on a CD | 18:13 |
| Unit193 | *Currently | 18:14 |
| knome | yeah, but isn't that known? | 18:14 |
| Unit193 | Should be | 18:14 |
| knome | micahg asked if that's a problem for anybody, and nobody said anything | 18:14 |
| knome | it's because python stuff | 18:14 |
| knome | ochosi, can you continue chairing for a bit more? :) | 18:15 |
| ochosi | sure | 18:15 |
| knome | thanks | 18:15 |
| ochosi | np | 18:15 |
| ochosi | #info Xfce have launched new documentation in a wiki (docs.xfce.org) | 18:16 |
| ochosi | #info From Xfce 4.10 onwards the help-button will point there, which will also mean no docs for people who are offline | 18:17 |
| ochosi | #link the docs are already accessible at http://docs.xfce.org/ | 18:17 |
| ochosi | #info it would be nice if people from Xubuntu could also contribute | 18:18 |
| ochosi | #topic Marketing, Artwork and Website | 18:18 |
| ochosi | pleia2: you there? | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | #info we're going to hold off on completing every single content update before going live | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | #info there are still some struture things knome is working through, once those are done we should be in a position to launch the new wordpress site | 18:19 |
| pleia2 | we should plan some time soon to review the final structure things | 18:19 |
| ochosi | do you want to send an email to the ml for that? | 18:19 |
| knome | i added some comments to the about/-page draft today | 18:20 |
| ochosi | i mean possibly that should already contain a datetime for the review | 18:20 |
| pleia2 | we still need to get through some of the items we discussed | 18:21 |
| pleia2 | once we're finished with all those we can toss it to the list for final final review :) | 18:21 |
| ochosi | ok, sounds good | 18:22 |
| ochosi | feel free to add an #action for yourselves if you feel like it (knome,pleia2) | 18:22 |
| pleia2 | #action pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome | 18:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome | 18:23 |
| ochosi | ok, in terms of artwork there aren't really big news from my side | 18:24 |
| knome | well, maybe-ubiquity is in ;) | 18:24 |
| ochosi | #info ochosi plans to do a sprint to port finish porting Bluebird to gtk3 in early february | 18:24 |
| knome | that should improve the artwork xp | 18:24 |
| ochosi | true | 18:24 |
| ochosi | although i haven't seen it yet :) | 18:24 |
| knome | it should be looking the same as the ubuntu livecd boot process does | 18:25 |
| ochosi | never seen that :} | 18:26 |
| knome | hehe, me neither, but some testers maybe | 18:26 |
| ochosi | ok, i think that's about it from this section | 18:27 |
| ochosi | #topic General updates | 18:27 |
| ochosi | anyone? ^ | 18:27 |
| knome | #info Xubuntu LTS plan forwarded to Technical Board | 18:27 |
| knome | i suppose that's it :) | 18:28 |
| ochosi | k :) | 18:28 |
| knome | i can take over now | 18:29 |
| knome | #topic Announcements | 18:29 |
| ochosi | ok, go ahead | 18:29 |
| knome | #subtopic maybe-ubiquity | 18:29 |
| knome | #info maybe-ubiquity has landed in Precise Pangolin images, thanks to cjwatson. Testers: Please test all the images ASAP and see if everything looks okay. | 18:29 |
| knome | #topic Other business | 18:29 |
| knome | #subtopic Review blueprints that need community approval | 18:29 |
| knome | #info New wallpaper: Some drafts still at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/, any feedback appreciated | 18:30 |
| ochosi | should we vote on the blueprint? | 18:30 |
| ochosi | zebra is really really flashy :) | 18:31 |
| knome | probably not yet, as there isn't any serious proposals | 18:31 |
| madnick | i like zebra | 18:31 |
| ochosi | ok | 18:31 |
| ochosi | i thought we have to vote on whether there'll be a new wp in general :) | 18:31 |
| knome | hehe, right | 18:31 |
| knome | #vote New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1) | 18:32 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1) | 18:32 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 18:32 |
| knome | +1 | 18:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from knome | 18:32 |
| ochosi | +1 | 18:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from ochosi | 18:32 |
| madnick | +1 | 18:33 |
| meetingology | +1 received from madnick | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 18:33 |
| meetingology | +1 received from pleia2 | 18:33 |
| knome | #endvote | 18:33 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1) | 18:33 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 18:33 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 18:33 |
| micahg | +0 | 18:34 |
| knome | heh | 18:34 |
| knome | :) | 18:34 |
| knome | too late | 18:34 |
| knome | #info: Ubiquity "application sets": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets has the spec | 18:34 |
| ochosi | again: does this really need "approval" (as in: vote)? | 18:34 |
| knome | yeah, i thought we could do that | 18:35 |
| ochosi | k :) | 18:35 |
| micahg | sorry, still getting used to IRC on my phone | 18:35 |
| knome | #vote Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1 | 18:35 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1 | 18:35 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 18:35 |
| knome | frrt | 18:35 |
| knome | yeah -1 for nay | 18:35 |
| knome | +1 | 18:35 |
| meetingology | +1 received from knome | 18:35 |
| ochosi | +1 | 18:36 |
| meetingology | +1 received from ochosi | 18:36 |
| micahg | -1, seems like more work than it's worth | 18:38 |
| meetingology | -1, seems like more work than it's worth received from micahg | 18:38 |
| ochosi | micahg: what has to be done exactly? | 18:38 |
| knome | micahg, i'm working on it with stgraber who created this feature in the first place, and we can most probably cooperate much with ubuntu studio too | 18:39 |
| micahg | idk, I just don't see those delineations as useful to xubuntu | 18:40 |
| knome | i think accessible vs. normal is quite a good idea | 18:40 |
| knome | if it proves to be too much work, we'll vote again, ok? :) | 18:41 |
| ochosi | also: xfce-only/slim vs. xubuntu-comfy/normal | 18:41 |
| knome | mm, yeah | 18:41 |
| knome | i mean, of course there has to be constant evaluation against things | 18:42 |
| knome | anyway, is there something else? | 18:42 |
| knome | #endvote | 18:42 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1 | 18:42 |
| meetingology | Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 | 18:42 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 18:42 |
| knome | #action knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again | 18:45 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again | 18:45 |
| knome | #subtopic Default shortcut keys: Sysi not available, will carry on one more time :) | 18:45 |
| knome | #subtopic Discussion and guidance on other blueprints | 18:45 |
| knome | anybody? | 18:45 |
| knome | #subtopic Open action items from previous meetings | 18:47 |
| knome | #action GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles | 18:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles | 18:48 |
| knome | #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible | 18:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible | 18:48 |
| knome | #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue | 18:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue | 18:48 |
| knome | #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu | 18:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu | 18:48 |
| knome | pleia2, new sticker design is at wiki? | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | knome: unfortunately the design didn't come out perfect on the stickers | 18:49 |
| knome | oh, okay | 18:49 |
| knome | so no need to copy the action item either :( | 18:49 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Jan 9 18:49:44 2012 UTC. | 18:49 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-01-09-18.01.moin.txt | 18:49 |
| knome | ugh | 18:49 |
| knome | ochosi, as usually, i can take care of the minutes if you don't specifically want to do it ;)) | 18:50 |
| madnick | good night :) | 18:51 |
| Unit193 | Good night | 18:51 |
| knome | night madnick | 18:52 |
| knome | bah, ubuntu wiki is damn slow again | 18:55 |
| Unit193 | s/again/still/g | 19:02 |
| knome | minutes are up | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | I should tweet meeting minutes | 19:09 |
| * pleia2 does that | 19:09 | |
| knome | thanks | 19:10 |
| nanotube | Unit193: no need for the g, there's only one occurrence of 'again' :) | 19:20 |
| ochosi | knome: if you can do the minutes, that'd be great | 20:28 |
| knome | ochosi, done already | 20:33 |
| ochosi | ty | 20:40 |
| ochosi | btw, my cherry-picking-thing pends on knowing what version of xfce we'll ship | 20:40 |
| ochosi | cause if they decide to do a quick release... | 20:40 |
| mr_pouit | they'd have to do pre-releases first | 20:45 |
| mr_pouit | or release everything untested :) | 20:45 |
| mr_pouit | so imho you can assume 4.8 | 20:45 |
| ochosi | what's your opinion on cherry-picking? | 20:50 |
| mr_pouit | ideally, small, bugfix, one-single feature changes ;-) | 20:54 |
| knome | i don't like cherries much, what about strawberries? | 20:55 |
| mr_pouit | ahah | 20:55 |
| mr_pouit | as long as there's not "rewrite $stuff" in the commit log :p | 20:55 |
| knome | :P | 20:55 |
| micahg | knome: can you join #ubuntu-meeting? | 21:02 |
| charlie-tca | knome: They are looking for you in #ubuntu-meeting for technical board review of Xubuntu LTS app | 21:02 |
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| knome | yay | 21:31 |
| Unit193 | Go well? | 21:31 |
| knome | accepted | 21:31 |
| Unit193 | Anything else of note? | 21:32 |
| knome | not really | 21:32 |
| knome | no votes against | 21:32 |
| Unit193 | Great! | 21:32 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, going now and rest. See all you good people tomorrow :) | 21:35 |
| knome | i'm off, good night/day all and see you later :) | 22:29 |
| sejens | Having problems installing with xubuntu64 11.10 + jdk-7u1-nb-7_0_1-linux-ml.sh. Anyone want to help? | 22:40 |
| sejens | Sorry... jdk-7u2-nb-7_1-linux-ml.sh | 22:41 |
| sejens | This is what happens: | 22:42 |
| micahg | ok, night everyone | 22:42 |
| Unit193 | Good night, micahg | 22:42 |
| micahg | sejens: you probably want #xubuntu | 22:43 |
| sejens | Ok, thank you! | 22:43 |
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