[11:20] <knome> Unit193, check your wikipage
[11:24] <micahg> so, meeting at 17:00?
[11:24] <knome> yeah. i'm not sure i can attend, but i completely think we should keep that meeting whatsoever
[11:24] <knome> somebody else who could chair that if i'm not available?
[11:38] <knome> micahg, you still therE?
[11:39] <knome> micahg, there seems to be a TB meeting at jan 12, 21UTC
[11:39] <knome> micahg, could you make it?
[11:43] <knome> maybe-ubiquity is most probably landing in precise for xubuntu :)
[11:43] <micahg> knome: idk, maybe
[11:43] <knome> ok
[11:44] <knome> i sent the LTS proposal for the TB
[11:44] <knome> and added the item to the agenda
[11:44] <knome> :)
[11:46] <knome> ok, maybe-ubiquity should be fixed. to all testers: can you check all the images tomorrow and see if they look fine
[12:05] <micahg> knome: BTW, I don't think we've had images since Dec 20
[12:05] <micahg> bbl
[12:05] <knome> huh?
[12:05] <knome> why is that?
[12:19] <astraljava> I don't understand. They're there.
[12:20] <knome> me neither
[12:20] <knome> :)
[12:56] <knome> pleia2, ?
[13:24] <micahg> knome: I don't see the images on cdimage.u.c
[13:26] <micahg> knome: BTW, at 18:00 I probably cannot attend
[13:26] <micahg> but again, not necessary
[13:27] <ochosi> micahg: what about the thunderbird-bug?
[13:27] <micahg> ochosi: will try to upstream it later
[13:27] <ochosi> k :)
[13:31] <ochosi> micahg: "later" as in "later today"?
[13:31] <micahg> we'll see :)
[13:32] <ochosi> k :)
[13:35] <astraljava> micahg: I still don't understand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/798202/
[13:36] <micahg> idk
[16:15] <nanotube> feature suggestion: put a link to the sound panel within the main settings manager. as it is, it's only accessible via the sound panel applet...
[16:16] <ochosi> nanotube: you mean the mixer? (it's in multimedia)
[16:17] <nanotube> i mean, the sound config panel you open when you click the speaker icon in panel, and go to 'sound settings...'
[16:18] <ochosi> yeah, but that's xfce4-mixer, it's also in the menu in multimedia > mixer
[16:18] <ochosi> but i agree that some people (especially coming from the windows-world) would expect it to be in the settings-manager
[16:19] <ochosi> it kinda makes more sense there
[16:19] <nanotube> hm, multimedia -> mixer looks different than that sound settings panel
[16:19] <nanotube> windows-world, kde-world, or gnome-world :)
[16:19] <ochosi> rly? maybe i modified my installation too much :) mind to take a screenshot for me?
[16:19] <nanotube> ochosi: sure. just a sec.
[16:20] <nanotube> http://imgur.com/9IV6r
[16:20] <nanotube> sound at top, mixer at bottom
[16:21] <ochosi> is this a standard xubuntu install?
[16:22] <ochosi> or did you have something else installed before (e.g. ubuntu)
[16:26] <mr_pouit> that's either "gnome-volume-control --page=applications" or "gnome-control-center sound"
[16:26] <mr_pouit> xfce4-mixer is tried after these two
[16:26] <ochosi> yup, so it's not part of the default install
[16:26] <mr_pouit> indeed
[16:26] <ochosi> i mean i'm not really opposed to putting the mixer in the settings
[16:26] <ochosi> it's kinda where it belongs
[16:27] <ochosi> but we should strive not to clutter the settings-manager too much
[16:27] <ochosi> otherwise it becomes useless
[17:10] <charlie-tca> For whoever is chairing the meeting today; I can't make it at 18:00 UTC
[17:11] <charlie-tca> However, testing is ongoing. I test the images daily, for the most part. Would be nice to have a few more people involved in that. Results are always posted at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[17:28] <Unit193> knome: Thanks a ton!
[17:29] <Unit193> charlie-tca: GridCube and I are still doing them (just later than you it seems)
[17:30] <charlie-tca> you documented a couple, but I have not seen very many on the tracker from either of you
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Even if they are the same installs, they need to be documented, please.
[17:33] <Unit193> Hmm.... I know I've done more than a few, and I have been trying to put them on (I could be doing that wrong I guess). I do them later in the day EST if that counts
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Anytime is fine. I will try to remember to look at the tracker more often. Maybe I missed them.
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Not being able to get reports hurts. It makes it vey much more difficult to tell what is being done.
[17:36] <Unit193> When is it too late to run them?
[17:36] <nanotube> ochosi: it is an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu :)
[17:37] <nanotube> so is the 'sound' panel from gnome? and the mixer from xfce?
[17:37] <charlie-tca> It is too late when the new image posts at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ . If no new image goes up, it keeps the previous test results.
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Unit193: I will ask stgrabber to let me access the reports, then maybe we can figure what is really happening.
[17:41] <ochosi> nanotube: yes
[17:41] <Unit193> That'd be awesome, but it'd be nice if more could do it (see if I'm doing something wrong. I don't like the new system so much, but I do try)
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I know that feeling, too. It is very difficult when we can't see things for more than a few hours at a day.
[17:43] <charlie-tca> I do plan on moving my test schedule to the wiki, for all to see and use. It makes sense now that we are tracking using the qa tracker.
[17:46] <ochosi> reminder: meeting in ~15min
[17:47] <nanotube> ochosi: well... fwiw that gnome panel has a lot more options than the xfce panel. :) for one, it lets me choose hdmi output. the other day some guy came in and asked about setting hdmi output, i pointed him to the panel and he said 'i can't see anything like that here'... 
[17:47] <nanotube> if i'd known it was a gnome panel, i'd have told him heh
[17:47] <ochosi> nanotube: but it's deprecated (at least gnome2 panel)
[17:48] <ochosi> personally i've never missed anything in the panel
[17:48] <ochosi> brb
[17:49] <nanotube> well, it came with oneiric install... so it can't be that deprecated :) (and iirc, it looked exactly the same from the ubuntu/unity side, so it must be a gnome3 panel, because i'm sure oneiric doesn't have gnome2)
[18:00] <ochosi> notice: i'll conduct the meeting in absence of knome today
[18:01] <ochosi> since it's my first time, feel free to let me know if i miss something or make a mistake (e.g. charlie-tca)
[18:01] <ochosi> #startmeeting
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan  9 18:01:13 2012 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[18:01] <ochosi> since we have no business from last time, i'll go straight to the team updates
[18:01] <ochosi> #topic Packaging and Development
[18:02] <ochosi> micahg, mr_pouit: are you here?
[18:02] <mr_pouit> I just arrived home, so I'm nto ready, sorry :<
[18:03] <ochosi> mr_pouit: shall we get back to this topic later?
[18:03] <ochosi> mr_pouit: or: when would you be ready?
[18:03] <mr_pouit> I don't have much to say anyway: the usual amount of bugfix uploads this week
[18:04] <ochosi> shall i say something about xfdesktop?
[18:04] <mr_pouit> (I need some testing to be done, so I need to follow up by mail on xubuntu-devel)
[18:04] <mr_pouit> mmh, as you wish
[18:04] <ochosi> ok, you can still post to the ml
[18:04] <ochosi> #info mr_pouit has applied some long-standing patches from bugzilla.xfce.org to xfdesktop for precise
[18:05] <ochosi> #info since it isn't maintained upstream at the moment (devs are waiting for the desktop to become a thunar-extension) it makes sense to patch it for xubuntu downstream
[18:06] <ochosi> #info among the patches is e.g. (rudimentary) thumbnail-support for the desktop
[18:06] <ochosi> micahg: anything from your side?
[18:07] <micahg> not really
[18:08] <ochosi> ok, then let's move on
[18:08] <ochosi> #topic Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation
[18:09] <ochosi> charlie-tca: any updates from your side?
[18:10] <ochosi> Unit193: anything from testing?
[18:11] <micahg> ochosi: see backscroll before the meeting
[18:11] <ochosi> micahg: thanks, missed that
[18:12] <knome> o/
[18:12] <ochosi> #info testing is ongoing, charlie-tca tests the images daily. it would be nice to have more people involved in that
[18:12] <ochosi> #chair knome 
[18:12] <meetingology> Current chairs: knome ochosi
[18:12] <Unit193> \o
[18:13] <ochosi> #link Results are always posted at  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[18:13] <ochosi> Unit193: any updates from your side? (feel free to use #info)
[18:13] <knome> #info maybe-ubiquity will land on images tomorrow, testers note: please check if everything looks as should
[18:13] <Unit193> Currectly too big to fit on a CD
[18:14] <Unit193> *Currently
[18:14] <knome> yeah, but isn't that known?
[18:14] <Unit193> Should be
[18:14] <knome> micahg asked if that's a problem for anybody, and nobody said anything
[18:14] <knome> it's because python stuff
[18:15] <knome> ochosi, can you continue chairing for a bit more? :)
[18:15] <ochosi> sure
[18:15] <knome> thanks
[18:15] <ochosi> np
[18:16] <ochosi> #info Xfce have launched new documentation in a wiki (docs.xfce.org)
[18:17] <ochosi> #info From Xfce 4.10 onwards the help-button will point there, which will also mean no docs for people who are offline
[18:17] <ochosi> #link the docs are already accessible at http://docs.xfce.org/
[18:18] <ochosi> #info it would be nice if people from Xubuntu could also contribute
[18:18] <ochosi> #topic Marketing, Artwork and Website
[18:18] <ochosi> pleia2: you there?
[18:18] <pleia2> #info we're going to hold off on completing every single content update before going live
[18:19] <pleia2> #info there are still some struture things knome is working through, once those are done we should be in a position to launch the new wordpress site
[18:19] <pleia2> we should plan some time soon to review the final structure things
[18:19] <ochosi> do you want to send an email to the ml for that?
[18:20] <knome> i added some comments to the about/-page draft today
[18:20] <ochosi> i mean possibly that should already contain a datetime for the review
[18:21] <pleia2> we still need to get through some of the items we discussed
[18:21] <pleia2> once we're finished with all those we can toss it to the list for final final review :)
[18:22] <ochosi> ok, sounds good
[18:22] <ochosi> feel free to add an #action for yourselves if you feel like it (knome,pleia2)
[18:23] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome 
[18:23] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome
[18:24] <ochosi> ok, in terms of artwork there aren't really big news from my side
[18:24] <knome> well, maybe-ubiquity is in ;)
[18:24] <ochosi> #info ochosi plans to do a sprint to port finish porting Bluebird to gtk3 in early february
[18:24] <knome> that should improve the artwork xp
[18:24] <ochosi> true
[18:24] <ochosi> although i haven't seen it yet :)
[18:25] <knome> it should be looking the same as the ubuntu livecd boot process does
[18:26] <ochosi> never seen that :}
[18:26] <knome> hehe, me neither, but some testers maybe
[18:27] <ochosi> ok, i think that's about it from this section
[18:27] <ochosi> #topic General updates
[18:27] <ochosi> anyone? ^
[18:27] <knome> #info Xubuntu LTS plan forwarded to Technical Board
[18:28] <knome> i suppose that's it :)
[18:28] <ochosi> k :)
[18:29] <knome> i can take over now
[18:29] <knome> #topic Announcements
[18:29] <ochosi> ok, go ahead
[18:29] <knome> #subtopic maybe-ubiquity
[18:29] <knome> #info maybe-ubiquity has landed in Precise Pangolin images, thanks to cjwatson. Testers: Please test all the images ASAP and see if everything looks okay.
[18:29] <knome> #topic Other business
[18:29] <knome> #subtopic Review blueprints that need community approval
[18:30] <knome> #info New wallpaper: Some drafts still at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/, any feedback appreciated
[18:30] <ochosi> should we vote on the blueprint?
[18:31] <ochosi> zebra is really really flashy :)
[18:31] <knome> probably not yet, as there isn't any serious proposals
[18:31] <madnick> i like zebra
[18:31] <ochosi> ok
[18:31] <ochosi> i thought we have to vote on whether there'll be a new wp in general :)
[18:31] <knome> hehe, right
[18:32] <knome> #vote New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
[18:32] <meetingology> Please vote on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
[18:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:32] <knome> +1
[18:32] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[18:32] <ochosi> +1
[18:32] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[18:33] <madnick> +1
[18:33] <meetingology> +1 received from madnick
[18:33] <pleia2> +1
[18:33] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[18:33] <knome> #endvote
[18:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
[18:33] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:34] <micahg> +0
[18:34] <knome> heh
[18:34] <knome> :)
[18:34] <knome> too late
[18:34] <knome> #info: Ubiquity "application sets": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets has the spec
[18:34] <ochosi> again: does this really need "approval" (as in: vote)?
[18:35] <knome> yeah, i thought we could do that
[18:35] <ochosi> k :)
[18:35] <micahg> sorry, still getting used to IRC on my phone
[18:35] <knome> #vote Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
[18:35] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
[18:35] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:35] <knome> frrt
[18:35] <knome> yeah -1 for nay
[18:35] <knome> +1
[18:35] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[18:36] <ochosi> +1
[18:36] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[18:38] <micahg> -1, seems like more work than it's worth
[18:38] <meetingology> -1, seems like more work than it's worth received from micahg
[18:38] <ochosi> micahg: what has to be done exactly?
[18:39] <knome> micahg, i'm working on it with stgraber who created this feature in the first place, and we can most probably cooperate much with ubuntu studio too
[18:40] <micahg> idk, I just don't see those delineations as useful to xubuntu
[18:40] <knome> i think accessible vs. normal is quite a good idea
[18:41] <knome> if it proves to be too much work, we'll vote again, ok? :)
[18:41] <ochosi> also: xfce-only/slim vs. xubuntu-comfy/normal
[18:41] <knome> mm, yeah
[18:42] <knome> i mean, of course there has to be constant evaluation against things
[18:42] <knome> anyway, is there something else?
[18:42] <knome> #endvote
[18:42] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
[18:42] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0
[18:42] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:45] <knome> #action knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again
[18:45] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again
[18:45] <knome> #subtopic Default shortcut keys: Sysi not available, will carry on one more time :)
[18:45] <knome> #subtopic Discussion and guidance on other blueprints
[18:45] <knome> anybody?
[18:47] <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meetings
[18:48] <knome> #action GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles 
[18:48] <meetingology> ACTION: GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles
[18:48] <knome> #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible 
[18:48] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible
[18:48] <knome> #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue 
[18:48] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue
[18:48] <knome> #action     ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu 
[18:48] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
[18:48] <knome> pleia2, new sticker design is at wiki?
[18:49] <pleia2> knome: unfortunately the design didn't come out perfect on the stickers
[18:49] <knome> oh, okay
[18:49] <knome> so no need to copy the action item either :(
[18:49] <knome> #endmeeting
[18:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan  9 18:49:44 2012 UTC.  
[18:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-01-09-18.01.moin.txt
[18:49] <knome> ugh
[18:50] <knome> ochosi, as usually, i can take care of the minutes if you don't specifically want to do it ;))
[18:51] <madnick> good night :)
[18:51] <Unit193> Good night
[18:52] <knome> night madnick 
[18:55] <knome> bah, ubuntu wiki is damn slow again
[19:02] <Unit193> s/again/still/g
[19:08] <knome> minutes are up
[19:09] <pleia2> I should tweet meeting minutes
[19:09]  * pleia2 does that
[19:10] <knome> thanks
[19:20] <nanotube> Unit193: no need for the g, there's only one occurrence of 'again' :)
[20:28] <ochosi> knome: if you can do the minutes, that'd be great
[20:33] <knome> ochosi, done already
[20:40] <ochosi> ty
[20:40] <ochosi> btw, my cherry-picking-thing pends on knowing what version of xfce we'll ship
[20:40] <ochosi> cause if they decide to do a quick release...
[20:45] <mr_pouit> they'd have to do pre-releases first
[20:45] <mr_pouit> or release everything untested :)
[20:45] <mr_pouit> so imho you can assume 4.8
[20:50] <ochosi> what's your opinion on cherry-picking?
[20:54] <mr_pouit> ideally, small, bugfix, one-single feature changes ;-)
[20:55] <knome> i don't like cherries much, what about strawberries?
[20:55] <mr_pouit> ahah
[20:55] <mr_pouit> as long as there's not "rewrite $stuff" in the commit log :p
[20:55] <knome> :P
[21:02] <micahg> knome: can you join #ubuntu-meeting?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> knome: They are looking for you in #ubuntu-meeting for technical board review of Xubuntu LTS app
[21:31] <knome> yay
[21:31] <Unit193> Go well?
[21:31] <knome> accepted
[21:32] <Unit193> Anything else of note?
[21:32] <knome> not really
[21:32] <knome> no votes against
[21:32] <Unit193> Great!
[21:35] <charlie-tca> Okay, going now and rest. See all you good people tomorrow :)
[22:29] <knome> i'm off, good night/day all and see you later :)
[22:40] <sejens> Having problems installing with xubuntu64 11.10 + jdk-7u1-nb-7_0_1-linux-ml.sh. Anyone want to help?
[22:41] <sejens> Sorry... jdk-7u2-nb-7_1-linux-ml.sh
[22:42] <sejens> This is what happens:
[22:42] <micahg> ok, night everyone
[22:42] <Unit193> Good night, micahg 
[22:43] <micahg> sejens: you probably want #xubuntu
[22:43] <sejens> Ok, thank you!