[11:20] Unit193, check your wikipage [11:24] so, meeting at 17:00? [11:24] yeah. i'm not sure i can attend, but i completely think we should keep that meeting whatsoever [11:24] somebody else who could chair that if i'm not available? [11:38] micahg, you still therE? [11:39] micahg, there seems to be a TB meeting at jan 12, 21UTC [11:39] micahg, could you make it? [11:43] maybe-ubiquity is most probably landing in precise for xubuntu :) [11:43] knome: idk, maybe [11:43] ok [11:44] i sent the LTS proposal for the TB [11:44] and added the item to the agenda [11:44] :) [11:46] ok, maybe-ubiquity should be fixed. to all testers: can you check all the images tomorrow and see if they look fine [12:05] knome: BTW, I don't think we've had images since Dec 20 [12:05] bbl [12:05] huh? [12:05] why is that? [12:19] I don't understand. They're there. [12:20] me neither [12:20] :) [12:56] pleia2, ? [13:24] knome: I don't see the images on cdimage.u.c [13:26] knome: BTW, at 18:00 I probably cannot attend [13:26] but again, not necessary [13:27] micahg: what about the thunderbird-bug? [13:27] ochosi: will try to upstream it later [13:27] k :) [13:31] micahg: "later" as in "later today"? [13:31] we'll see :) [13:32] k :) [13:35] micahg: I still don't understand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/798202/ [13:36] idk [16:15] feature suggestion: put a link to the sound panel within the main settings manager. as it is, it's only accessible via the sound panel applet... [16:16] nanotube: you mean the mixer? (it's in multimedia) [16:17] i mean, the sound config panel you open when you click the speaker icon in panel, and go to 'sound settings...' [16:18] yeah, but that's xfce4-mixer, it's also in the menu in multimedia > mixer [16:18] but i agree that some people (especially coming from the windows-world) would expect it to be in the settings-manager [16:19] it kinda makes more sense there [16:19] hm, multimedia -> mixer looks different than that sound settings panel [16:19] windows-world, kde-world, or gnome-world :) [16:19] rly? maybe i modified my installation too much :) mind to take a screenshot for me? [16:19] ochosi: sure. just a sec. [16:20] http://imgur.com/9IV6r [16:20] sound at top, mixer at bottom [16:21] is this a standard xubuntu install? [16:22] or did you have something else installed before (e.g. ubuntu) [16:26] that's either "gnome-volume-control --page=applications" or "gnome-control-center sound" [16:26] xfce4-mixer is tried after these two [16:26] yup, so it's not part of the default install [16:26] indeed [16:26] i mean i'm not really opposed to putting the mixer in the settings [16:26] it's kinda where it belongs [16:27] but we should strive not to clutter the settings-manager too much [16:27] otherwise it becomes useless [17:10] For whoever is chairing the meeting today; I can't make it at 18:00 UTC [17:11] However, testing is ongoing. I test the images daily, for the most part. Would be nice to have a few more people involved in that. Results are always posted at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds [17:28] knome: Thanks a ton! [17:29] charlie-tca: GridCube and I are still doing them (just later than you it seems) [17:30] you documented a couple, but I have not seen very many on the tracker from either of you [17:30] Even if they are the same installs, they need to be documented, please. [17:33] Hmm.... I know I've done more than a few, and I have been trying to put them on (I could be doing that wrong I guess). I do them later in the day EST if that counts [17:36] Anytime is fine. I will try to remember to look at the tracker more often. Maybe I missed them. [17:36] Not being able to get reports hurts. It makes it vey much more difficult to tell what is being done. [17:36] When is it too late to run them? [17:36] ochosi: it is an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu :) [17:37] so is the 'sound' panel from gnome? and the mixer from xfce? [17:37] It is too late when the new image posts at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ . If no new image goes up, it keeps the previous test results. [17:40] Unit193: I will ask stgrabber to let me access the reports, then maybe we can figure what is really happening. [17:41] nanotube: yes [17:41] That'd be awesome, but it'd be nice if more could do it (see if I'm doing something wrong. I don't like the new system so much, but I do try) [17:42] I know that feeling, too. It is very difficult when we can't see things for more than a few hours at a day. [17:43] I do plan on moving my test schedule to the wiki, for all to see and use. It makes sense now that we are tracking using the qa tracker. [17:46] reminder: meeting in ~15min [17:47] ochosi: well... fwiw that gnome panel has a lot more options than the xfce panel. :) for one, it lets me choose hdmi output. the other day some guy came in and asked about setting hdmi output, i pointed him to the panel and he said 'i can't see anything like that here'... [17:47] if i'd known it was a gnome panel, i'd have told him heh [17:47] nanotube: but it's deprecated (at least gnome2 panel) [17:48] personally i've never missed anything in the panel [17:48] brb [17:49] well, it came with oneiric install... so it can't be that deprecated :) (and iirc, it looked exactly the same from the ubuntu/unity side, so it must be a gnome3 panel, because i'm sure oneiric doesn't have gnome2) [18:00] notice: i'll conduct the meeting in absence of knome today [18:01] since it's my first time, feel free to let me know if i miss something or make a mistake (e.g. charlie-tca) [18:01] #startmeeting [18:01] Meeting started Mon Jan 9 18:01:13 2012 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [18:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:01] since we have no business from last time, i'll go straight to the team updates [18:01] #topic Packaging and Development [18:02] micahg, mr_pouit: are you here? [18:02] I just arrived home, so I'm nto ready, sorry :< [18:03] mr_pouit: shall we get back to this topic later? [18:03] mr_pouit: or: when would you be ready? [18:03] I don't have much to say anyway: the usual amount of bugfix uploads this week [18:04] shall i say something about xfdesktop? [18:04] (I need some testing to be done, so I need to follow up by mail on xubuntu-devel) [18:04] mmh, as you wish [18:04] ok, you can still post to the ml [18:04] #info mr_pouit has applied some long-standing patches from bugzilla.xfce.org to xfdesktop for precise [18:05] #info since it isn't maintained upstream at the moment (devs are waiting for the desktop to become a thunar-extension) it makes sense to patch it for xubuntu downstream [18:06] #info among the patches is e.g. (rudimentary) thumbnail-support for the desktop [18:06] micahg: anything from your side? [18:07] not really [18:08] ok, then let's move on [18:08] #topic Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation [18:09] charlie-tca: any updates from your side? [18:10] Unit193: anything from testing? [18:11] ochosi: see backscroll before the meeting [18:11] micahg: thanks, missed that [18:12] o/ [18:12] #info testing is ongoing, charlie-tca tests the images daily. it would be nice to have more people involved in that [18:12] #chair knome [18:12] Current chairs: knome ochosi [18:12] \o [18:13] #link Results are always posted at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds [18:13] Unit193: any updates from your side? (feel free to use #info) [18:13] #info maybe-ubiquity will land on images tomorrow, testers note: please check if everything looks as should [18:13] Currectly too big to fit on a CD [18:14] *Currently [18:14] yeah, but isn't that known? [18:14] Should be [18:14] micahg asked if that's a problem for anybody, and nobody said anything [18:14] it's because python stuff [18:15] ochosi, can you continue chairing for a bit more? :) [18:15] sure [18:15] thanks [18:15] np [18:16] #info Xfce have launched new documentation in a wiki (docs.xfce.org) [18:17] #info From Xfce 4.10 onwards the help-button will point there, which will also mean no docs for people who are offline [18:17] #link the docs are already accessible at http://docs.xfce.org/ [18:18] #info it would be nice if people from Xubuntu could also contribute [18:18] #topic Marketing, Artwork and Website [18:18] pleia2: you there? [18:18] #info we're going to hold off on completing every single content update before going live [18:19] #info there are still some struture things knome is working through, once those are done we should be in a position to launch the new wordpress site [18:19] we should plan some time soon to review the final structure things [18:19] do you want to send an email to the ml for that? [18:20] i added some comments to the about/-page draft today [18:20] i mean possibly that should already contain a datetime for the review [18:21] we still need to get through some of the items we discussed [18:21] once we're finished with all those we can toss it to the list for final final review :) [18:22] ok, sounds good [18:22] feel free to add an #action for yourselves if you feel like it (knome,pleia2) [18:23] #action pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome [18:23] ACTION: pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome [18:24] ok, in terms of artwork there aren't really big news from my side [18:24] well, maybe-ubiquity is in ;) [18:24] #info ochosi plans to do a sprint to port finish porting Bluebird to gtk3 in early february [18:24] that should improve the artwork xp [18:24] true [18:24] although i haven't seen it yet :) [18:25] it should be looking the same as the ubuntu livecd boot process does [18:26] never seen that :} [18:26] hehe, me neither, but some testers maybe [18:27] ok, i think that's about it from this section [18:27] #topic General updates [18:27] anyone? ^ [18:27] #info Xubuntu LTS plan forwarded to Technical Board [18:28] i suppose that's it :) [18:28] k :) [18:29] i can take over now [18:29] #topic Announcements [18:29] ok, go ahead [18:29] #subtopic maybe-ubiquity [18:29] #info maybe-ubiquity has landed in Precise Pangolin images, thanks to cjwatson. Testers: Please test all the images ASAP and see if everything looks okay. [18:29] #topic Other business [18:29] #subtopic Review blueprints that need community approval [18:30] #info New wallpaper: Some drafts still at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/, any feedback appreciated [18:30] should we vote on the blueprint? [18:31] zebra is really really flashy :) [18:31] probably not yet, as there isn't any serious proposals [18:31] i like zebra [18:31] ok [18:31] i thought we have to vote on whether there'll be a new wp in general :) [18:31] hehe, right [18:32] #vote New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1) [18:32] Please vote on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1) [18:32] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [18:32] +1 [18:32] +1 received from knome [18:32] +1 [18:32] +1 received from ochosi [18:33] +1 [18:33] +1 received from madnick [18:33] +1 [18:33] +1 received from pleia2 [18:33] #endvote [18:33] Voting ended on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1) [18:33] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [18:33] Motion carried [18:34] +0 [18:34] heh [18:34] :) [18:34] too late [18:34] #info: Ubiquity "application sets": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets has the spec [18:34] again: does this really need "approval" (as in: vote)? [18:35] yeah, i thought we could do that [18:35] k :) [18:35] sorry, still getting used to IRC on my phone [18:35] #vote Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1 [18:35] Please vote on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1 [18:35] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [18:35] frrt [18:35] yeah -1 for nay [18:35] +1 [18:35] +1 received from knome [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from ochosi [18:38] -1, seems like more work than it's worth [18:38] -1, seems like more work than it's worth received from micahg [18:38] micahg: what has to be done exactly? [18:39] micahg, i'm working on it with stgraber who created this feature in the first place, and we can most probably cooperate much with ubuntu studio too [18:40] idk, I just don't see those delineations as useful to xubuntu [18:40] i think accessible vs. normal is quite a good idea [18:41] if it proves to be too much work, we'll vote again, ok? :) [18:41] also: xfce-only/slim vs. xubuntu-comfy/normal [18:41] mm, yeah [18:42] i mean, of course there has to be constant evaluation against things [18:42] anyway, is there something else? [18:42] #endvote [18:42] Voting ended on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1 [18:42] Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 [18:42] Motion carried [18:45] #action knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again [18:45] ACTION: knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again [18:45] #subtopic Default shortcut keys: Sysi not available, will carry on one more time :) [18:45] #subtopic Discussion and guidance on other blueprints [18:45] anybody? [18:47] #subtopic Open action items from previous meetings [18:48] #action GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles [18:48] ACTION: GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles [18:48] #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible [18:48] ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible [18:48] #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue [18:48] ACTION: micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue [18:48] #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu [18:48] ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu [18:48] pleia2, new sticker design is at wiki? [18:49] knome: unfortunately the design didn't come out perfect on the stickers [18:49] oh, okay [18:49] so no need to copy the action item either :( [18:49] #endmeeting [18:49] Meeting ended Mon Jan 9 18:49:44 2012 UTC. [18:49] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-01-09-18.01.moin.txt [18:49] ugh [18:50] ochosi, as usually, i can take care of the minutes if you don't specifically want to do it ;)) [18:51] good night :) [18:51] Good night [18:52] night madnick [18:55] bah, ubuntu wiki is damn slow again [19:02] s/again/still/g [19:08] minutes are up [19:09] I should tweet meeting minutes [19:09] * pleia2 does that [19:10] thanks [19:20] Unit193: no need for the g, there's only one occurrence of 'again' :) [20:28] knome: if you can do the minutes, that'd be great [20:33] ochosi, done already [20:40] ty [20:40] btw, my cherry-picking-thing pends on knowing what version of xfce we'll ship [20:40] cause if they decide to do a quick release... [20:45] they'd have to do pre-releases first [20:45] or release everything untested :) [20:45] so imho you can assume 4.8 [20:50] what's your opinion on cherry-picking? [20:54] ideally, small, bugfix, one-single feature changes ;-) [20:55] i don't like cherries much, what about strawberries? [20:55] ahah [20:55] as long as there's not "rewrite $stuff" in the commit log :p [20:55] :P [21:02] knome: can you join #ubuntu-meeting? [21:02] knome: They are looking for you in #ubuntu-meeting for technical board review of Xubuntu LTS app === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:31] yay [21:31] Go well? [21:31] accepted [21:32] Anything else of note? [21:32] not really [21:32] no votes against [21:32] Great! [21:35] Okay, going now and rest. See all you good people tomorrow :) [22:29] i'm off, good night/day all and see you later :) [22:40] Having problems installing with xubuntu64 11.10 + jdk-7u1-nb-7_0_1-linux-ml.sh. Anyone want to help? [22:41] Sorry... jdk-7u2-nb-7_1-linux-ml.sh [22:42] This is what happens: [22:42] ok, night everyone [22:42] Good night, micahg [22:43] sejens: you probably want #xubuntu [22:43] Ok, thank you!