[00:26] how do i automount drives? [00:47] This is kind of odd. Not sure what happened, but now when I open new firefox windows, they show up in the alt-tab menu as white squared with a blue line across the top, not as firefox icons. Existing firefox windows show up as firefox icons. [00:49] Hm, rebooting. [01:55] is there a minimum requirement for memory to run the xubuntu live cd? [01:56] 256mb I think [01:56] that or 512mb [01:56] okay, just curious, thanks [01:57] I'm helping someone over in ##slackware and they said with 512 MB xubuntu didn't work [01:57] itll work ive done it myself [01:57] thats the hardware limit to many pentium 3 computers and ive run it on those a lot [01:58] not sure why it didn't work for them [01:59] linucies have lots of problems with older hardware, I know I have problems a lot with a lot of flavors on old hardware ive got a big collection here [01:59] things xp works great with [02:00] how do you set audio out to HDMI? [02:01] i can't find audio settings anywhere [02:03] you used to need to right click the volume icon in the system tray, dont know if its still like that [02:05] it seems to be left-click now [02:08] i don't see anything about hdmi out in sound settings... [02:08] =/ [02:09] its not always labeled the clearest [02:10] carloss: go to sound settings -> hardware, you'll see a 'choose device to config', and at the bottom is a 'profile' dropdown [02:10] some profiles list hdmi [02:11] from sound settings i get taken somewhere to select sound card [02:12] after that it tells me to list controls [02:12] none say hdmi [02:12] "no controls visible". i try selecting controls and no hdmi [02:12] i remember being able to get this going on ubuntu OOTB [05:52] Hey. anyone else seen issues related to GVFS and Live installations? [05:54] I just had a Live USB install (with 2GB persistence file) crap out 100%, with ext2-fs throwing all kindsof "inode deleted" errors during my final boot attempt. [06:12] <|multipass|> how do i resotre the xubuntu login manager? kde overwrote it [06:27] Lets say i am going to install xubuntu on my old laptop, to make a file server out of it. What program should i add to it to make this possible? [06:27] samba [06:28] ok ty L( ill look for it [06:28] :) * [06:39] or nfs [06:40] if someone doesnt know about samba, they shouldnt use nfs. [06:40] <_Pete_> if they doesnt know about both, what then? [06:40] pete what is your issue? [06:41] <_Pete_> which one or some other you would choose, if you dont know any options ? [06:41] omg dude stop trolling [06:41] <_Pete_> this is serois question [06:41] O.o [06:42] you are completely discounting what I said and deliberately misconstruing my meaning [06:42] Id call that trolling [06:42] if you don't know any yes try Samba _Pete_ [06:43] <_Pete_> hmm [06:43] <_Pete_> if you are using only linuxes [06:43] <_Pete_> then definatelly go to nfs [06:43] <_Pete_> if you need to share also with windows machines, then samba [06:44] yes [06:44] <_Pete_> nfs is imo much easier to setup [06:46] <_Pete_> and it also supports fully *nix filesystem owner things, what samba doesnt [06:48] <_Pete_> third option is to use sshfs [06:51] _Pete_: recent samba does support all "*nix filesystem owner things" but (you're right) is more work to set up. [06:52] <_Pete_> ok then. I stand corrected [07:16] <_Pete_> TVasEyes: just curious, how decent it need to be? [07:18] sorry, decent? how do you mean? [07:19] <_Pete_> I mean from what version it has done thaT? [07:21] (from memory) v 3.0 onwards you have unix extensions and ACLs etc (old NAS box here runs 3.0.34); the newest (v4) does Windoze AD and works as PDC. [07:22] <_Pete_> ok nice, havent used samba lately since I only have linuxes and use nfs with those [07:23] check out http://www.samba.org/samba/latest_news.html [07:24] <_Pete_> thx [07:25] <_Pete_> just remembered I still have samba in use, merely for the reason I sometimes need to run win7 in VM [07:25] <_Pete_> and use that to share host filesystem [07:25] have to admit to using the Linux stuff only also, picked up the Windoze news in a recent newsletter. [07:27] <_Pete_> lolz.. that win7 experience, if you start it in like once every second month [07:27] <_Pete_> it's totally useless as all programs wants to update them at same time [07:27] user error: user too stupid. [07:27] yeah win updates as bad as ubuntu ones.. ;) [07:27] Thats the SETTINGS YOU set with the programs YOU installed [07:28] not windows itself [07:28] <_Pete_> what ever [07:28] <_Pete_> but that what happens by default [07:28] I bet you are running a bazillion update manager hidden applets [07:28] and you complain about "windows" taking so much ram, when its your settings for third party apps [07:29] nashi: in all fairness, life's too short to sift through all of the 'important' Redmond stuff it wants to do, so everybody simply hits return. [07:29] <_Pete_> nashi: I didnt say anything windows taking ram [07:30] <_Pete_> looks like you are making things up [07:30] omg troll go away [07:30] ? [07:30] stop trolling me jerk [07:30] <_Pete_> TVasEyes: yes that's true, if you just need to do some things you dont much care but just hit return to get it done [07:30] TVasEyes: I find it less trouble to set stuff once, or get apps that don't do that kind of crap [07:31] _Pete_: wow, the tone on this channel sure has changed. [07:31] <_Pete_> hmm? [07:32] just an observation, maybe I'm just too tired... [09:52] Hello [09:53] i like xubuntu but i dont like the file manager [09:54] What file managr is better for xfce? exepting thunar [09:54] define "better" [09:55] if we thought that any file manager was better by thunar, it would be the default in xubuntu [09:55] s/by thunar/than thunar/ [09:56] a file manager like nautilus ,but for xubuntu [09:57] Nautilus is better than thunar but is for gnome [09:57] ? [10:00] Is xfce gnome based? [10:01] you can use nautilus in XFCE if you really want... [10:02] Nautilus is for gnome [10:03] nautilus is a file manager and works just fine under XFCE [10:03] you can even set it as your preferred file manager if you have it installed [10:03] in the settings manager [10:04] Nautilus require some gnome dependencies [10:04] So ,nautilus is for gnome [10:05] I'm not sure if you're being intentionally difficult... but just because it requires some gnome common libraries doesn't mean you can only use it under gnome [10:07] Ok [10:07] gnome-desktop3-data libexempi3 libgnome-desktop-3-2 [10:07] that's all the dependencies i get for nautilus [10:07] hell, it doesn't even fight for control of the desktop or fire up gnome-settings-daemon (in xubuntu 11.10 anyway) [10:07] so it's actually as clean as it could possibly be [10:07] in fact, i think i'm switching my file manager right now, because i don't get on that well with thunar either... [10:07] although, gnome3's nautilus is also a bit different to gnome2's nautilus [10:09] but, is xubuntu gnome2 based? [10:09] that makes no sense - xubuntu is XFCE-based [10:09] it's also ubuntu-based [10:10] Is xfce gnome 2 based? [10:10] ubuntu 11.10 has gnome3 now, so anything from gnome that you use in XFCE will be from gnome3 [10:10] no, XFCE is XFCE [10:11] Ok [10:11] XFCE uses the same graphical toolkit, if that's where you're getting confused, but it's a completely independent desktop environment [10:13] Ok [10:14] I will use xubuntu with nautilus file manager and some gnome applications [10:18] hah, i might have been wrong about it managing the desktop... it seems to have tried to do that... [10:20] you need the --no-desktop option to use nautilus [10:24] well_laid_lawn: that's an awkward fix [10:25] well_laid_lawn: mainly because of the many different ways it could get launched... however there is a "better" fix [10:25] which is to set it in dconf-editor [10:25] org.gnome.desktop.background.show-desktop-icons [10:25] check and uncheck so it's actually set [10:25] I use thunar so it's not a problem for me ;) [10:26] unfortunately dconf-editor thinks the default is off, but the actual default is on... [10:26] woo, sorted. [10:51] this might be a silly question, but... can you get thunar to launch directories in something that isn't thunar? [10:51] with custom actions, yes [10:52] i mean by default? [10:52] nope. [10:54] ok [10:54] heh [11:09] my netbook won't reboot [11:10] it goes to a black screen and never boots up again [11:10] any ideas? [11:36] Morning guys ! :D [14:22] where are the sound options located on xubuntu? [14:23] I must be being blind but I cant see em anywhere obvious [14:23] click the speaker icon in the system tray [14:27] thanks [14:27] so it turned out I was blind :) [14:27] hehe naaaah [14:27] just not obvious really [14:28] whod think its not in a control panel and instead a little speaker did it all? [15:33] think it'd be a reasonable feature request to mention in -devel, to put a link to the sound settings in the main settings manager? [15:46] i am having problems booting into Xubuntu [15:47] in a VM as well as a clean install on server [15:47] it looks like it is finishing booting, and i can see a screen with a mouse and then it just goes back to the booting ... like the last thing it was checking was "Checking Battery" [15:47] anyone have any ideas? [15:49] designbybeck: got enough hw for xubu? [15:50] it is a Dell XPS Laptop M1730 [15:51] Intel Core 2 Duo / Nvidia 1gB ...4GB RAM [15:51] i had a Ubuntu 11.10 64bit server installed [15:51] and i wanted a GUI [15:53] ah [15:53] and you install xfce or xubuntu desktop? [15:54] why don't you try fluxbox? [15:57] i guess i did the xubuntu-desktop [15:57] never heard of fluxbox [15:58] Marzata, That should be more then enough to run xfce.. designbybeck you should try the normal xubuntu install, ubuntu-server uses a different kernel etc [15:58] this was just going to be a play server so i could test things out [15:58] hmmm [15:59] I tried to install xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu server and it didn't work. [15:59] designbybeck, if you download and burn the live cd and see if it works without installing [15:59] lol that is what i'm finding out Marzata [15:59] dunno about Xfce only, have not tired that yet. [15:59] i was able to get to the desktop once on my VM i tried [15:59] what is the best way to get a GUI for ubuntu server then? [16:00] designbybeck: fluxbox must work [16:00] designbybeck, the whole point of ubuntu server is not having a gui [16:00] !webmin [16:00] webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. [16:00] true i understand that but i'm not savvy enough with commandline just yet [16:00] designbybeck: I think I tried fluxbox and it worked. Not sure if I did tried openbox. [16:01] designbybeck: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox [16:02] Thanks for the help all I'll look at some of these other options [16:03] interesting [16:03] 0.. [16:03] i tried to remove xubuntu-desktop and it still is trying to boot into it [16:03] sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop [16:03] isn't that the right command for that ? [16:05] designbybeck, also make sure gdm and lightdm are not installed anymore [16:05] hmmm [16:05] ok [16:06] removing xubuntu-desktop removes the meta-package only, not the complete set of files installed by it. [16:07] uyeah i thought that was odd when it said only 40k would be freed up [16:10] designbybeck: have a look here - might help to see what to remove - www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/ look for the Playing Around bits [16:10] thnk you hobgoblin [16:11] welcome - though if you started with ubuntu server it'll not be 'quite' right - will need tyo have a look [16:12] i think i'm just going to have to go back with a clean install and start from there [16:12] because now i can't even get to another termnial to remove gdm and lightdm [16:12] ctrl alt F4 any of them aren't working [16:13] designbybeck, then just install a regular xubuntu install, using server versions only has drawbacks as long as you are not using it for a real production server [16:14] well part of this install was to see how ubuntu server worked [16:15] i'm trying to make it a learning experience LOL [16:15] i'm learnin' alright! [16:15] designbybeck, haha well the differences are not that big, mostly different hardware support/tweaks [16:27] xubuntu on a usb hd, full drive encryption. which format, ext4 or btrfs? [16:28] alternate cd, does it even offer you btrfs? [16:29] default is ext4 [16:29] on full encryption, usually includes lvm [16:30] I just want opinions on which filesystem would be best suited. will be a mix of lots of small files and quite a few very large files. [16:30] I guess I see no reason not to use ext4 [16:31] Since Xubuntu defaults to ext4, I don't know if btrfs is ready or not, really. [16:31] I know gparted offers it as an option, but I did not know we did. [16:32] I use ext4 on 11.04 and later installs. My 10.04 is still at ext3 [17:29] What's a good video editing software that works well in xubuntu? [17:29] \whois jmcantrell [17:30] Oops wrong slash [17:30] nightspirit: kdenlive is pretty good [17:30] I tried it, but it wanted me to install half of KDE along with it [17:31] And then it wouldn't start up [17:32] LiVES seems to be working though === Pieman is now known as Paimun [18:18] How can I run x11vnc before login? [18:19] xubuntu5: check out http://www.abdevelopment.ca/blog/start-vnc-server-ubuntu-boot [18:20] it'll be similar.. i have only done it with vino [18:21] join #ubuntu-ir [18:22] thanks i'll take a look [18:27] holstein [18:27] what about rc.local [18:27] how does that work? [18:35] in lightdm i need to change: [SeatDefaults]display-setup-script=/my/script does that script run before login? [18:40] hello [18:48] what's the difference between display-setup-script and greeter-setup-script in lightdm? [18:52] xubuntu5: thats a good question [18:52] maybe the display setup passes something on to the desktop? [18:53] xubuntu5: i say, back it up before you start tweaking, and just try it and see if it works [18:55] Sometimes giving the entire directory path lets us know, too [20:40] i installed ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop and now my tray is all messed up with my indicators [20:40] anyone ever have this happen? [20:41] when you click on them they no longer do what they are supposed to do [20:41] Yes, it is conflicting indicators [20:41] then i tried to remove both of those, ubuntu and kubuntu desktops [20:41] You should be able to remove all but one indicator package and make it work again [20:41] ok, hm [20:42] That removed the -desktop packages only, not all the extra packages they install [20:42] Hello all [20:42] yeah charlie-tca.. only removed like 50kb [20:43] lol [20:44] Is there a way to get one whole desktop with two screens, using nvidia 7300GS and 8400? [20:44] each time I enable xinerama the screens flicker and then black out [20:45] install and use arandr [20:45] xinerama is obsolete, as far as I recall [20:45] is it a gui or terminal based? [20:45] xscreensaver is pretty fugly.. What's a good replacement for xubuntu? [20:45] um, terminal, I think. I don't use it, though [20:45] I just want a blank screen with a password prompt when I open the lid on my laptop, basically [20:46] augustl: if there was a better replacement, we would have used it [20:46] hmm, I see [20:46] what about xlock etc? [20:46] arandr is GUI [20:46] I guess gnome-screensaver is pretty obtrusive.. [20:46] Oh, I was looking for a quick and easy way I tried xrandr it was a failure [20:47] gnome-screensaver causes some issues if you don't have gnome installed [20:47] thanks Unit193 [20:47] metasansana: xrandr should do it, if you know how to use it, but arandr is a GUI for it [20:47] and charlie-tca [20:48] You're welcome [20:48] Ill give it a try Im currently re installing xubuntu [20:48] charlie-tca: I see, tnx [20:49] augustl: you can always try gnome-screensaver by installing it. There are only two screensavers, basically. Gnome-screensaver and Xscreensaver :( [20:51] are there any none-screensaver alternatives? Just a lock screen basically. [20:51] I don't need fancy animations :) [20:53] I can't think of any. It's possible to tell xscreensaver that you want no screensaver and still use it for screenlocking, though [20:53] it doesn't care if you have graphics or blank screen. [20:55] yeah I have a blank screen i xscreensaver now [20:56] current gripes are that I have to touch a key or the mouse after I open the lid, and that it's not very pretty [20:56] if I just open the lid, the screen stays black [20:57] the synaptic pack manager keeps crashign when i try to open it.. what is the terminal command for it? [20:58] synaptic or sudo synaptic [20:59] but you might need to do sudo apt-get update instead [20:59] getting r id of these ubuntu/kubuntu indicators seems dangerous [21:00] augustl: i have a couple boxes doing that with the newer kernels.. you can always run the LTS [21:00] augustl: actually... i mis-read... my screen is dead after resume [21:00] ah :) [21:00] multipass: you can leave them alone, and just put up with the conflicts [21:00] i use xtrlock, but its quite minimal [21:01] id like to totally remove ubuntu and kubuntu desktops really [21:01] but i dont want to accidcently delete something im using [21:01] or pre-req for another prog rather [21:01] you can always put them back multipass ... the .config files should stay in place [21:02] i did find these, might be good for the kubuntu one, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome [21:02] minus the install ubuntu at end [21:03] Try for this: [21:03] !purexfce [21:03] If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [21:04] I haven't looked to see how up to date it is, though [21:04] 11.10 [21:04] it says [21:07] The following packages have unmet dependencies: openjdk-6-jre : Depends: libgif4 (>= 4.1.4) but it is not going to be installed Recommends: icedtea-netx but it is not going to be installed [21:08] so dont get rid of the libgif4? [21:08] multipass: what I do for a clean install is to have a separate / and /home partition, move /home/myusername to /home/old_myusername, and install :) [21:09] ugh lol, was a bad idea to install both those [21:10] and make sure the installer doesn't recreate the file system on the /home partition of course [21:32] so i broke xubuntu lol [21:33] when i start my comp, i try to load into xubuntu, i see the loading bar with the xubuntu logo.. then the screen goes blank and starts flashing [21:33] tried rescue mode? [21:33] sounds like a video driver missing or conflicting [21:34] i went into rescue mode and installed kubuntu and ubuntu again [21:34] but no luck [21:34] could it of been the ati driver? [21:34] sure [22:44] Having problems installing jre on xubuntu64 11.10 anyone want to help? [22:45] This happens: [22:45] jens@acer13:~/Hämtningar$ ls [22:45] fix-windows-as-default-boot-on-ubuntu-9-10-with-grub2-loader [22:45] java_ee_sdk-6u3-jdk7-linux-x64-ml.sh [22:45] jdk-7u1-nb-7_0_1-linux-ml.sh [22:45] jdk-7u2-nb-7_1-linux-ml.sh [22:45] opa_1.0s3.5+build1121_amd64.stable.deb [22:45] polly_0.93.0-0~oneiric1_all.deb [22:45] jens@acer13:~/Hämtningar$ sudo ./jdk-7u2-nb-7_1-linux-ml.sh [22:45] [sudo] password for jens: [22:45] Configuring the installer... [22:45] Searching for JVM on the system... [22:45] Preparing bundled JVM ... [22:45] Extracting installation data... [22:45] Running the installer wizard... [22:45] Exception: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError thrown from the UncaughtExceptionHandler in thread "main" [22:45] Worked on XUbuntu32 11.10 [22:47] hmm [22:47] Ok, could it be that I need a newer JRE? [22:48] how can i change the maximize window key from alt f10 to something else? [22:49] xubuntu5: Normally things like that are in Settings > Settings Manager > Keyboard [22:49] !pastebin | sejens [22:49] sejens: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [22:49] that's where i am i just dont' know what the command is to make windows maximize [22:50] Ok, sorry. I was sent here from xubuntu-devel. Bye. [22:53] Oh, which channel should I use? [22:53] Anyway here's the info: http://paste.ubuntu.com/798755/ [22:54] I take it you want Oracle java? [22:54] Yep, I'm trying to install the java7.2+netbeans bundle. [22:56] Refering to this page http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html with jre7u2+nb7.1 [22:58] Just installed xubuntu64 11.10 instead of xubuntu32 11.10 in order to be able to run opa programming (http://opalang.org) [23:00] xubuntu5: I would think that'd be a per-application setting, but alt+space x works [23:01] but by default xubuntu has it set to make a window become maximized when you press alt f10 [23:01] sejens: I haven't installed Java since they removed it from the repos, but there are some good guides online [23:01] how can i override that? and make it something else [23:02] xubuntu5: I'm sorry, Settings Manager > Window Manager > Keyboard [23:03] I am there [23:03] what is the command to make a window become maximized? [23:03] Unit193: Ok, thnx, Thing is that the install starts correctly and then crashes... [23:04] xubuntu5: Are you sure you are in Window Manager? Before you said you were in the Keyboard section [23:04] i am in the keyboard section "application shortcuts" [23:04] oooooooh [23:04] Yes, you need to be in the other one [23:04] i am not in window manager [23:04] got it!! [23:04] thanks! [23:05] just what i wanted thank you sir [23:05] Yep [23:05] You're welcome [23:06] gmusicbrowser is the default music player with xubuntu? [23:06] Default "music manager" [23:06] ahh thanks! [23:07] and how do i run a script before login? [23:07] is that done in lightdm.conf? [23:08] Besides... It's of course the JDK I'm trying to install, not the JRE... [23:09] xubuntu5: Heh, I personally don't have lightdm, should be in an autorun file [23:10] what do you use instead of lightdm? [23:10] kdm? gdm? [23:10] GDM with 11.04 :P [23:10] nice [23:11] xubuntu5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RcLocalHowto [23:11] rc.local ahh i thought i might have to mess with that [23:11] thought i could run a pre-login script with lightdm.conf too i'll check that out thanks Unit193 [23:12] You may be able to, but I don't remember checking that out when I was testing Oneiric or Pangolin [23:16] that link seems dated doesn't xubuntu/ubuntu already have a /etc/rc.local file? [23:38] thanks again for your help unit! [23:39] Any... time [23:57] i think i removed the login manager from xubuntu when trying to remove kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop.. any way to get that back easily? [23:57] i deleted the kde damon which was in place possibly [23:59] so now it basically boots up, then i see the xubuntu logo which shows it loading, then screen goes black and starts flashing