[00:01] <ronnoc> Riddell: Hi Jonathan. Is there activity in the Kubuntu Testers group on Launchpad? Also, are tehre any coordinated effors ongoing with that group? Any way I can help? Thanks in advance.
[00:03] <Riddell> ronnoc: not currently
[00:03] <Riddell> I think it was a hope to make a irc channel where people would hang around waiting for things to be tested
[00:03] <Riddell> but mostly that's just like hanging around here :)
[00:04] <ronnoc> Riddell: Oh. Well I like breaking shiny new things. lol. Maybe it could be used for very specific testing? Telepathy comes to mind, for example. 
[00:05] <ronnoc> kind of like how there are coordinated bug days. I dunno - thinking out loud a bit. 
[00:05] <Riddell> oh we need testers, the question is how to keep track of where to find them and how to keep them reliable enough to be useful
[00:05] <yofel> I would keep it here, I mean, even #kubuntu-bugs is unused even if it's there
[00:06] <Riddell> I don't think a new irc channel is the best way to do that, maybe a bot that can do a testers ping
[00:06] <Darkwing> kubutestbot?
[00:06] <ronnoc> well it could also be used as a mailnig list for specific ppa / build / testing purposes
[00:06] <Darkwing> :P:P
[00:07] <ronnoc> Darkwing: exactly
[00:07] <Riddell> a message in kubotu would be easy to do
[00:07] <Riddell> I wonder who's incharge of kubotu 
[00:07] <Darkwing> I thought logger was
[00:07] <Riddell> might be
[00:08] <Darkwing> I seem to remember talking to him about it being a ruby bot
[00:08] <Darkwing> and I started scoffing
[00:09] <Riddell> ideally it would take the irc nicks for the people in the group and ping them
[00:09] <Darkwing> have a trigger like !testing
[00:10] <Darkwing> and !testing would ping those ppl
[00:10] <Darkwing> !ops
[00:10] <Darkwing> Much like that.
[00:10] <Darkwing> Sorry guys for the bad ping
[00:10] <Riddell> gosh some of those ops are oldies
[00:10] <ronnoc> from a dev perspective, there might be some merit to testing specific things heading into a such a LTS release. Releasing alpha's / beta's are good too, but I would think sometimes a more targeted set of parameters might be a good thing. 
[00:11] <ronnoc> but you guys would know better than I :)
[00:12] <Riddell> sorry I need to sleep, maybe Darkwing can e-mail apachelogger to get it added to kubotu 
[00:12] <Darkwing> Who do we want it to ping?
[00:12]  * Darkwing give Riddell a hug
[00:12] <Darkwing> How you feeling anyway Riddell?
[00:12] <Riddell> well ideally kubuntu-testing but that's hassle so it could just be manual for now
[00:13] <ronnoc> well as I stated, if I can help and there's a decided need, ping me here or via LP or whatever's easier. in the meantime, good sleep to you!
[02:44] <apachelogger> jussi: does ubottu have codez to build list-of-people-from-launchpad-team-mapped-to-irc
[02:44] <apachelogger> WRT what jr wanted earlier for testing ping
[02:45] <Darkwing> Hey apachelogger
[02:46] <apachelogger> lo Darkwing
[02:46] <Darkwing> Hows life mate?
[02:51] <apachelogger> really weird, I am having all sorts of sleep issues :O
[02:52] <apachelogger> hence I am up at 4am local time
[02:53] <Darkwing> :/
[03:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-dev_4%3a4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[03:18] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.kmix.control.xml', which is also in package kmix 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1
[04:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: some? (re: gosh some of those ops are oldies)
[09:14] <fabo> Riddell: could you upload Qt 4.8.0 to ppa for testing/feedback?
[09:18] <Riddell> fabo: which ppa?
[09:18] <Riddell> isn't it already in yours?
[09:26] <Riddell> jussi and sari had a healthy daughter an hour ago
[09:29] <Riddell> fabo: clearing out kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[09:29] <pangolin> yay jussi!
[09:34] <fabo> Riddell: yes, I was thinking to a kubuntu ppa
[09:35] <fabo> congrats jussi/sari :)
[09:37] <fabo> Riddell: at least, worksforme ;) I've upgraded from my ppa and don't see any obvious issues
[09:38] <fabo> Riddell: about bug 911733, I would like to have some feedback from upstream on the patch before pulling into the packages
[09:38] <Riddell> fabo: is there an accompanying qtwebkit update to package?
[09:39] <fabo> Riddell: 2.2.1 is available but not needed, it contains minor changes (mostly for mac)
[09:39] <fabo> I can make it available if you want
[09:44] <Riddell> fabo: it would be good to have a known version number but don't let it take up your valuable time
[09:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde-config-grub2 appears to need a rebuild in oneiric
[09:44] <apachelogger> kcmshell4: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_grub2.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Magick9CoderInfoC1ERKS0_
[09:44] <apachelogger> when trying to 'create' a wallpaper
[09:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: for 4.7.97?
[09:45] <apachelogger> nah, seems to be magick binary incompatibility
[09:45] <apachelogger> or so google says ^^
[09:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: so needs a SRU?
[09:45] <apachelogger> probably
[09:45] <apachelogger> I am rebuilding locally right now
[09:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: yep, SRU rebuild needed :)
[09:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what do you think about switching our bootsplash to something closer to the ksplash screen?
[09:51] <apachelogger> IMHO with the new artwork of 4.8 our splash doesn't quite keep up 
[09:51] <apachelogger> in terms of sexyness
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: the usplash one?
[09:53] <Riddell> using lots of colours and gradients in that is risky because some computers can't do them at that stage
[09:53] <Riddell> but testing would be interesting
[09:54] <apachelogger> well, it is grey, so that should be fine, especially since those drivers that do dkms will likely also be able to paint a background
[09:54] <apachelogger> though that is a wild assumption
[10:05] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/20120110_002.mp4
[10:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: how large is that? (I'm on a limited connection)
[10:13] <apachelogger> 40 or so
[10:14] <Riddell> sorry too large
[10:17] <Riddell> http://www.kereltis.com/2012/01/07/my-thoughts-on-kubuntu-11-10/ first complaint is not enough wallpapers :)
[10:19] <Tm_T> by default, meaning kdewallpapers is missing
[10:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: it's always good if one can complain mostly on that (:
[10:23] <apachelogger> it means one is fortunate enough to not have a screen resolution so that the wallpaper and splash looks odd because we only ship one resolution of those :P
[10:26] <Tm_T> aww
[11:41] <mikecb> That's creepy. I'm using the same wallpaper as that link...
[12:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: congrats!!!
[13:22] <Riddell> fregl, ScottK if qt_accessibility=1 is required should we just set that for all sessions?
[13:26] <fregl> Riddell: I think so. Please test and bug me if it doesn't play nice. I will meet with the gnome a11y people next week, so I can figure out things if we still have problem.
[13:26] <fregl> +s
[13:28] <fregl> Riddell: I tried to be careful so that the plugin is completely inactive unless gnome a11y was enabled. when gnome a11y is enabled, then it should still do very little, except when screen reader/accerciser are running. but I haven't tested the whole thing much.
[13:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Dunno. I was just fixing the W-I tracker error.
[13:48] <Riddell> mm, skeat wants me to look at the WIs this week to see if we should postpone some, which is probably a good idea, just yet another thing for my todo
[14:08] <Quintasan_> jussi: \o/ gratz!
[14:10] <fabo> Riddell: I don't want to complain but it's a mess in the kubuntu blueprints/WI ;)
[14:10] <fabo> they aren't even approved or reflect current status
[14:11] <Riddell> yes, mostly my fault I fear
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I  blame the French.
[14:13] <ScottK> (specifically the one that crashed into you)
[14:13] <fabo> hehe :)
[14:14] <Riddell> :)
[14:15] <fabo> I remember a bridge where only one car can pass, no priorities, kind of fifo
[14:15] <fabo> in martinique
[14:15] <fabo> it was fun (and dangerous) to drive there
[14:16] <fabo> after a week, you used to drive like them... you just need to survive the week
[14:22] <Riddell> the trouble is that driving like them doesn't make it any safer :)
[14:28] <fabo> Riddell: qtwebkit 2.2.1 uploaded to my ppa, ready to consume
[14:41] <fabo> yofel_: ping
[16:41] <allee> Booting todays precise CD: there not 'Install icon' in the folderview, not something found when searching for 'install' in k-menu.
[16:42] <Riddell> allee: is ubiquity-kde available as a command?
[16:44] <Riddell> roar, ec2 machine killed the disk I was doing calligra on
[16:44] <allee> Riddell: no.  It also booted straight into the kde desktop. No selection of 'try' and 'install'.  but this was maybe a timeout issue
[16:45] <Riddell> allee: is ubiquity-frontend-kde installed?
[16:47] <allee> Riddell: no    /me installs it ...
[16:49] <allee> Riddell: now (only) ubiquity and ubiquity-dm is in path
[16:49] <allee> dpkg -L ubiquity-frontend-kde   show nothing is installed into /usr/*bin/
[16:51] <allee> starting ubiquity from cmd line and the -kde version is started
[16:51] <Riddell> yes that's normal
[16:52] <Riddell> so sounds like there's a problem with the cd builds
[16:52] <Riddell> check ubuntu desktop cd manifest
[16:59] <debfx> didrocks: could you test Qt 4.8 from https://launchpad.net/~fboudra/+archive/qt/+packages so we can upload it sometime soon
[17:06] <Riddell> ug PPAs not started after 6 hours and might start in 9 hours
[17:07] <ts2> there is a rather massive PPA queue: https://launchpad.net/builders
[18:09] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:10] <Riddell> hi from all
[18:17] <schnelle> Riddell: is new nm widget from fabo's ppa going to be available for oneiric through beta ppa? or it is precise only? 
[18:18] <schnelle> i'm seeing artifacts in nm widget all the time since upgrade tu rc2 in oneiric
[18:23] <Riddell> schnelle: no plans for oneiric yet, if you think it should be give good reasons and offer to help :)
[18:25] <Riddell> nice new KDE user, seems he doesn't like ubuntu for its six month release, wonder if he knows we do kde updates
[18:25] <Riddell> http://www.davidrevoy.com/index.php?article110/kubuntu-11-10-for-digital-painting
[18:27] <schnelle> Riddell: I have only "visual" reason: broken buttons : http://www.dodaj.rs/f/21/RR/3irNejQ2/snapshot2.png
[18:27] <schnelle> nothing else :)
[18:28] <schnelle> and can you point me to some good packagin wiki. I want to learn packaging in my spare time :)
[18:28] <schnelle> and to help, offcorse
[18:28] <schnelle> :)
[18:30] <Riddell> nice comments too "Kubuntu simply *rocks* for desktop use."
[18:30] <Riddell> schnelle: well that buttons aren't fixed, needs a new upstream release for that
[18:31] <Riddell> schnelle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide but it might be a bit out of date (and the new one is about using UDD which isn't really ready)
[18:32] <Riddell> there's various debian ones and of course debian policy is the formal definition spec (not a tutorial)
[18:33] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted might have more information
[18:33] <Riddell> but it might work best one to one, get me at a good time and I can guide you through it
[18:34] <Riddell> or Darkwing can, we gave him a tutorial at UDS :)
[18:34] <Riddell> so he knows all about it
[18:34] <schnelle> Riddell: ok thanks. "Learn to package and help Kubuntu guys" is on my todo list :)
[18:37] <Riddell> great!
[18:38] <schnelle> Riddell: and i have one proposal for next lts. muon constantly fails to some install external deb files (kernel debs, some icon themes form kde look etc. gdebi-kde doesn't have no problem installing the same debs.
[18:38] <schnelle> so if muon doesn't get fixed in time
[18:38] <schnelle> i think revreting to gdebi-kde is better option for next lts
[18:39] <Riddell> reported it to jonathan thomas?
[18:39] <Riddell> he's the muon dude and is usually responsive
[18:39] <schnelle> yes on bugs.kde but no response from him yet
[18:40] <Riddell> he doesn't seem to be around much these days, busy with real life I guess
[18:40] <schnelle> there is big thread on kubuntuforums with problems with muon
[18:40] <schnelle> and in that thread are mostly very experiented kubuntu users
[18:41] <schnelle> I will in inform you if these bugs doesn't get fixed soon
[18:42] <schnelle> i mean muon package manager works, updater works, but muon for installing external deb files failes very often
[18:43] <schnelle> that was gdebi-kde's job till oneiric
[18:44] <Riddell> yeah keep an eye on it
[18:46]  * Riddell out
[19:58]  * jussi01 waves from the hospital
[20:04] <ScottK> jussi01: Waving from the hospital on IRC probably shouldn't be your priority at the moment ...
[20:05] <BarkingFish> ??? :I
[20:05] <BarkingFish> You can access IRC in a hospital???
[20:05] <ScottK> His wife is having or just had a baby.
[20:06] <ScottK> Depends on the hospital.
[20:06] <BarkingFish> *squeeeeeeee*
[20:06] <BarkingFish> omg!!!
[20:08] <BarkingFish> ScottK: While I think about it, any news on the NM and nm-applet in 4.7.4 or for pangolin?  I recall mentioning the update to the code from Lamarque a week or three back, just wonder if you have anyone working on it yet
[20:10] <ScottK> Dunno.
[20:11] <ScottK> I've been working on getting 4.7.4 ready for upload to oneiric-proposed.
[20:12] <BarkingFish> well 4.7.4 is still working well here, no drama to mention yet.  
[20:14] <jussi01> ScottK: its late, both mum and daughter are sleeping :)
[20:34] <rbelem> jussi01, congrats :-D
[20:34] <tazz> congrats jussi01 
[21:31] <bambee> jussi01: w00t, congrz
[21:31] <bambee> congrats*
[21:35] <yofel_> congratulations jussi01 :D
[21:35] <Riddell> jussi01: does the bairn have a facebook page yet? :)
[21:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Facebook requires you to be at least 13.
[21:46] <Riddell> I'm sure they rule gets broken a lot
[21:50] <Riddell> BarkingFish: new version https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanagement
[21:51] <BarkingFish> :D
[21:53] <ScottK> Riddell: No doubt.
[21:58] <BarkingFish> right guys, back in a tick, gotta reboot.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> Riddell!!!  You, sir, are a God.  I'm utterly speechless.
[22:04] <BarkingFish> The new version of the plasma nm widget for Pangolin is not only working on Ocelot, it's restored all the audio notifications with network manager, I have full control over all of my wifi interfaces too.  
[22:05] <BarkingFish> I can guarantee you the i386 version is functioning cleanly from the word Go.
[22:10]  * ScottK doesn't consider the lack of networking related audio notifications a bug ...
[22:11] <BarkingFish> ScottK: it is when your vision isn't great
[22:11] <ScottK> Good point.
[22:11] <BarkingFish> and you can't change the text size of the visual notifications :)
[22:13] <BarkingFish> It was the only one of the notifications which failed to work, ScottK - I spoke with Lamarque about it a few months back, and he explained that he'd changed the settings somewhere since the nm was producing audio notifications before the desktop had even started up.
[22:13] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[22:13] <BarkingFish> now it's back to rights, the notifications start after the nm applet has kicked in, and you get the sounds only when the event happens
[22:15] <Riddell> BarkingFish: ah interesting, might be good to have it backported to the beta PPA then
[22:16] <BarkingFish> yeah, definitely
[22:18] <BarkingFish> i did have the problem with the old nm widget that whatever my USB wifi interface connected to, the internal one would see as the "only" available network
[22:18] <BarkingFish> that's now running correctly too, so that both interfaces are working independently of each other
[22:32] <BarkingFish> Guys, anyone know where the fix for the plasma desktop crashes was?  I can't remember whether there were repairs to 4.7.3 or whether it was fixed when I upgraded to 4.7.4...
[22:32] <ScottK> There's some in 4.7.4.
[22:33] <BarkingFish> Right, cause I have a user in #kubuntu who is dealing with this in 4.7.3, wise to advise him to try to upgrade to 4.7.4?  
[22:33] <yofel> BarkingFish: it was fixed in 4.7.4, I remember you saying 4.7.3 being broken
[22:34] <BarkingFish> yeah, which pool was it put in, was it the oneiric-proposed, or kde's ppa?
[22:35] <Riddell> BarkingFish: see topic
[22:35] <BarkingFish> sorry, missed that :)
[22:35] <BarkingFish> Thanks
[22:36] <BarkingFish> so that'd be oneiric-updates universe?
[22:36] <BarkingFish> or multiverse?
[22:37] <Riddell> "4.7.4 in updates PPA for testing in oneiric" ~kubuntu-ppa updates PPA
[22:39] <BarkingFish> ok, got it.  Sorry if I seem a bit thick, been feeling grotty all day :(
[22:40] <BarkingFish> when I finish up, I think i might just head out to bed for the night
[22:41] <Riddell> I fear I'm already at that stage
[22:43] <BarkingFish> yeah... Normally I don't go to bed much before midnight unless I'm feeling really crud - 2am or so if I'm ok.
[22:44] <BarkingFish> It's now 10.43pm and I want to curl up and sleep till christmas. Next year.
[22:44] <Riddell> radio4extra is your friend
[22:45] <BarkingFish> nah, I listen to the BBC World Service :)
[22:45] <BarkingFish> I like radio 4, but killing Radio 7 was a travesty
[22:46] <BarkingFish> The BBC should have been shot, stabbed, barbecued, cut up into small pieces, fried and then *really* hurt.
[22:47] <Riddell> I agree,  except for the being violent bit of course
[22:47] <BarkingFish> :)
[23:51] <Saviq> hey all, anyone seen QtQuick 3D in a PPA somewhere?