[07:09] <imgx64> Is it possible to run Unity in a VirtualBox VM? I enabled 3D acceleration and installed the guest additions, but I can only run Unity2D.
[12:20] <civija> hi guys!
[12:20] <civija> I have a question about 12.04 alpha 1
[12:20] <civija> I installed it to my hp 6735b laptop for testing
[12:21] <civija> and noticed that there is no hibernate option in shutdown menu anymore ...
[12:21] <civija> it was there in 11.10
[12:21] <civija> is this disabled on purpose or something else?
[12:39] <Daekdroom> civija, hibernate is known for breaking stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if it were on purpose
[12:42] <civija> Daekdroom: yes I know that
[12:42] <civija> I'm searching for some information about this
[12:43] <civija> only thing that I have found is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-desktop-privileges/+bug/812394
[12:52] <civija> yes, this is it
[12:53] <civija> it is disabled on purpose
[12:53] <civija> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/policykit-desktop-privileges/policykit-desktop-privileges_0.10/changelog
[12:53] <civija> it can be enabled in /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla
[12:54] <civija> in case anyone else is wondering about this :)
[13:12] <Daekdroom> The comments were interesting.
[13:26] <Rovanion> I'm currently having multiple packages being held back at my system. Is this supposed to be so or should I try to break this somehow?
[13:27] <Stanley00> Rovanion: it is normal when you using alpha testing version
[13:27] <Rovanion> Stanley00: Okey, so I should not be bothered by it?
[13:27] <Stanley00> Rovanion: you can get through it via "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[13:30] <Rovanion> Stanley00: But these packages that are currently held back, they will be upgraded once someone controlling testing decides that it's time?
[13:30] <Stanley00> Rovanion: I think so, it will be installed when its time come
[13:32] <Daekdroom> Rovanion, it's not about someone controlling. They're being held back by your own computer because of dependency issues.
[13:32] <Daekdroom> Using 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' might break your system, but you'll have to use it sometimes to keep it up to date (atleast during the development)
[13:39] <Ian_Corne> it's needed to pull in new packages which are dependencies of updated packages, pull in kernel updates,...
[14:47] <iceroot> Rovanion: to have the latest updates always use dist-upgrade and not only upgrade
[16:59] <pmatulis> is LVM an option in the installer these days?
[17:53] <Rovanion> Running wine 1.2 I'm having issues executing an application on a ntfs partition mounted with fmask=000. I get the complaint that it isn't marked as executable even though it is, due to mount option.
[18:12] <Rovanion> Well never mind that I guess. At first I had the same issue when mounting with gvfs, but then when I switched back, the issue disappeared.
[18:14] <Rovanion> Just to clearify. Mounted as usual with gvfs - had issue. Mounted as root via fstab - had issue. Mounted with gvfs - issue gone.
[18:42] <johnjohn101> will ubuntu tv be a seperate product?
[18:51] <jtaylor> I wonder if canonical can stomach the sure to come lawsuits from apple
[18:57] <Rovanion> jtaylor: Patents on selling movies via a computer based program?
[18:58] <jtaylor> they ought to have something
[19:01] <Rovanion> jtaylor: Most likely a ton of generic ones with descriptions such as "Providing entertainment services trough a digital medium" and "Allowing purchases via a pointer based interface". But since it's UK based, how much of the US patent bull spills over via international treaties?
[19:01] <Rovanion> "it" referring to Canonical.
[19:02] <jtaylor> well the managed to stop the galaxy tab in germany because its square
[19:03] <jtaylor> *rectangular
[19:05] <Rovanion> jtaylor: But was that patents and not design copyright? But you're absolutely right. The forecast looks dark no matter which it was.
[19:06] <jtaylor> that was design
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[21:02] <chmac> I'm reading that alt-tab is supposed to switch only between windows on the current workspace in precise.
[21:02] <chmac> My default alt-tab behaviour when installed was to switch between all running applications, across all workspaces.
[21:03] <chmac> Is this something that'll make it into a later release before precise goes final?
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: install compiz-setting-manager and set it there
[21:07] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Set what there?
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> if alt tab should switch all or just one workspace
[21:08] <johnjohn101> do you think daily is good enough now to run in virtual machine (vmware) or should i wait 3 more weeks?
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: it's on bare metal for me
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> since day one!
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> only thing not working is ia32-libs
[21:09] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: The only related option I see in Unity is to prioritise windows on this workspace. Could you be more specific as to which option I should set?
[21:10] <johnjohn101> fernando, what does ia32-libs do?
[21:10] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: Static App switcher
[21:10] <chmac> johnjohn101: I installed precise on my primary laptop a few days ago. It's been 90% usable.
[21:11] <chmac> johnjohn101: I'm really struggling with some aspects of unity, but I'd guess they're the same as 11.10 so if you're there, you probably know what's coming.
[21:11] <FernandoMiguel> there are shortcuts for both
[21:11] <jo-erlend> lately, I've had some issues with video playback. The audio is fine, but sometimes, the video stops for a while and then runs in high speed. Any idea what may be the cause of this?
[21:11] <johnjohn101> i don't mind unity. would like a couple of things fixed but it's fine.
[21:11] <FernandoMiguel> jo-erlend: fine here
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: it supports 32bits apps on 64bits. but are migrating to multiarch
[21:12] <chmac> jo-erlend: Video has been working great for me, I'm pleased to say, I was worried by the absence of medibuntu, but most of the oneiric stuff worked just fine.
[21:12] <johnjohn101> will there be a 32 bit version?
[21:12] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Ok, gotcha. I did switch to the static switcher, although there's no way to disable the unity switcher as far as I can see, only remove its keyboard shortcuts.
[21:13] <jo-erlend> FernandoMiguel, chmac: only one of my computer has this problem. I didn't ask if I was the only one in the world. I asked if anyone has any ideas what the cause might be.
[21:14] <chmac> jo-erlend: Can you be more specific with your problem description? Which media player? In all of them, only one?
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> jo-erlend: what gpu?
[21:14] <chmac> brb
[21:15] <jo-erlend> HD5850, using the radeon driver, and using the default video player, which is Totem.
[21:17] <johnjohn101> i may wait until feb 2
[21:39] <chmac> Every time I log out / in, I have to re-enter the wifi passwords for the 2 networks here, both of which were saved before installing precise. Any suggestions on how to debug?
[21:41] <chmac> While I'm at it, I have no apps at all in my launcher. Known bug? Freak accident? Any suggestions?
[21:47] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: does it work on a clean or guest profile?
[21:47] <FernandoMiguel> remove those wifi networks and readd ?
[21:47] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Excellent idea, let me check...
[21:48] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: wait for what? for someone else to report its broken?
[21:48] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: I just had a play with seahorse and I think that issue was fixed when I set the login keyring as default, I'll find out next login I suppose. :-)
[21:48] <johnjohn101> fernando, i usually find bugs someone else reported. nothing new...
[21:49] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Genius, it does work in a guest profile, all the apps are listed in the launcher...
[21:50] <chmac> I wonder what's going on in my home directory that's messing with the launcher...
[21:51] <chmac> brb
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: sometimes. not always. assuming others will file them, I never get them fixed
[21:59] <johnjohn101> fernando, installing now...
[22:00] <chmac> Resolved my keyring issues. :-)
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: please use TAB to auto complete my nick
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: yay
[22:03] <chmac> Before installing precise, I had a setting enabled where if I moved my mouse onto a window, that window got the focus, but didn't come to the front.
[22:03] <chmac> It continued to work when I installed precise, but I think after experimenting with unity2d/classic, it's gone.
[22:04] <chmac> Anyone know how I put it back by any chance? It's a long shot... :-)
[22:05] <johnjohn101> FernandoMiguel: thanks, I never knew that was available. is that pidgin only?
[22:06] <chmac> johnjohn101: Standard across most irc clients, and also works on the command line (the terminal)
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: most IRC clients
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: again, compiz settings
[22:06] <johnjohn101> nice feature
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> focus mouse over
[22:08] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Awesome. ccsm > General Options > Click To Focus, uncheck. :-)
[22:08] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[22:08] <chmac> Took me a while to get my head around, but once I did, it's really incredible, I recommend trying it out.
[22:08] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: protip: make backups of those settings. Compiz tends to explode
[22:08] <chmac> For example, being able to type in a web page with another window in front to read from, deeply awesome!
[22:08] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Ok, will look into that, thanks.
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> yw
[22:14] <chmac> How do you folks keep track of workspaces? I've reverted to running gnome-panel to give me the bottom panel only (apps / workspaces), but is there a better "unity" way?
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> Expose ?
[22:17] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: super-s, zoom to all workspaces visible?
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> I have super+e
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> but I think I changed mine from default
[22:18] <chmac> I have 5 workspaces, I suppose with a 3x2 grid, expose would work better.
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> also super+w for all app in this workspace
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> I have 2x2
[22:19] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Aha, super-w shows all apps on all workspaces by default I believe.
[22:19] <chmac> alt-shift-up is the default for this workspace, but I'll remap to super-w, makes more sense.
[22:19] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[22:19] <chmac> I have real difficulty tracking what's going on without the bottom panel showing my current apps.
[22:20] <chmac> I feel so much more grounded having it back, but I decided I'm going to make a real effort to follow the way of unification, so I'm trying to find a more unified alternative... :-)
[22:25] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: me toooooooooooooooo
[22:34] <chmac> Phew, a few compiz crashes later, and I think unity is mostly behaving as I would like... :-)
[22:35] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[22:38] <chmac> Hopefully the last question of the night, how do I change the number of workspaces?
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> compiz, yet again
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> on the top block
[22:40] <FernandoMiguel> general
[22:42] <johnjohn101> why is compiz mngr not installed by default?
[22:42] <johnjohn101> seems like is should be if you want to change some unity stuff.
[22:45] <chmac> Phew, another reboot later, I'll put the number of "virtual desktops" back to 1, and bid you kind folks goodnight. :-)
[22:45] <chmac> Thanks a lot FernandoMiguel, you were a great help. A world apart from asking for help earlier today on #postfix. :-)
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[22:46]  * FernandoMiguel remembers the time spent on #postfix
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> oh boy #pidgin :S
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: 90% of the users will never use it
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> and changing anything there can result in a VERY mess up UX
[22:47] <johnjohn101> i want to know when snow will be ported up the the newer versions of compiz
[22:48] <FernandoMiguel> AHHAAHAH
[22:48] <FernandoMiguel> let me know when water and fire are :P
[23:02] <johnjohn101> FernandoMiguel: almost done with install that will make six ubuntu distros i have on computer
[23:02] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[23:02] <FernandoMiguel> for me, 3 more months
[23:05] <johnjohn101> seems like not that long ago that koala came out
[23:05] <FernandoMiguel> a few years
[23:07] <johnjohn101> 2.25 years ago.
[23:07] <FernandoMiguel> add 4 months
[23:07] <FernandoMiguel> I start on day 1
[23:13] <johnjohn101> still older versions of some apps. i guess subject to change with newer builds..  node.js, couchdb are two that I see