[06:01] <nigelb> eeee233
[06:02] <nigelb> bah
[08:18] <popey> Morning all
[08:18] <czajkowski> ello
[08:19] <czajkowski> popey: hows your first sprint going?
[08:21] <popey> excellent
[08:21] <czajkowski> popey: have you seen anything like http://twitpic.com/85czwx  on P machines?
[08:23] <popey> ooer
[08:23] <czajkowski> so thats happen a lot on this as of yesterday
[08:24] <czajkowski> when I open things it gets corrupted the images
[08:24] <czajkowski> irc flashes to white or I can see my desktop instead of irc - very anoying when that happens
[08:26] <popey> i may have a similar issue
[08:27] <popey> screen doesn't always refresh
[08:27] <popey> is that terminal window running irssi in screen? the corrupted one?
[08:27] <czajkowski> yes
[08:27] <czajkowski> but look along the side dash bar
[08:27] <czajkowski> all the icons are corrupted
[08:27] <AlanBell> snowy icons
[08:28] <czajkowski> gordonjcp has similar issues also
[08:41] <popey> oh hang on
[08:41] <popey> is this your new ultrabook?
[08:42] <czajkowski> popey: yes
[08:43] <popey> what video card is it?
[08:43] <czajkowski> whats the line to get that again
[08:44] <popey> lshw -C video
[08:45] <czajkowski> *-display                description: VGA compatible controller product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0 version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[08:45] <czajkowski>  resources: irq:4 memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffcff ioport:2000(size=64)
[08:47] <popey> what cpu is it?
[08:47] <popey> grep Intel /proc/cpuinfo
[08:48] <czajkowski> 1.6
[08:48] <czajkowski> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2467M CPU @ 1.60GHz
[08:52] <popey> probably nothing we can do
[08:53] <popey> i have the same issue on my desktop which has a similar CPU/GPU
[08:53] <popey> I get corruption when playing minecraft
[08:53] <popey> I spoke to the kernel guys at the airport on sunday, and they basically laughed at me
[08:54] <czajkowski> :/
[08:54] <czajkowski> always helpful to have laughing enginners :/
[08:55] <czajkowski> popey: any reasons why am seeing it some days and not others?
[08:55] <popey> file a bug against the kernel
[08:55] <popey> ubuntu-bug linux
[08:56] <popey> and poke cking with the bug number and tell him if he laughs I'll come over and give him a chinese burn
[08:57] <czajkowski> ok
[08:57] <popey> or apw, they were the two who laughed at me, doubt they'd laugh as much for you.
[08:57] <czajkowski> apw - andy
[08:57] <czajkowski> he bloody well better not
[08:59] <czajkowski> The problem cannot be reported:
[08:59] <czajkowski> This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again
[08:59] <czajkowski> bah
[09:01] <czajkowski> popey: any idea how I go around that issue to log the bug?
[09:03] <popey> eh
[09:04] <popey> oh, ubuntu-bug linux-image
[09:04] <popey> my bad
[09:04] <czajkowski> hardly your bad you're helping
[09:05] <bkerensa> :D
[09:06] <popey> it was suggested to me that I should not have bought an intel based device this year, but should wait for the next generation, or buy the previous generation
[09:07] <popey> current gen Intel stuff is 'tick', next will be 'tock'.
[09:08] <czajkowski> popey: thanks for the help - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/914167
[09:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 914167 in linux "application images on system seem corrupted " [Undecided,New]
[09:09] <popey> can you try logging in using unity 2d instead?
[09:10] <czajkowski> hmm need to install that
[09:10] <popey> its installed by default
[09:10] <czajkowski> hmm how do I change to it so
[09:10] <czajkowski> lemmie go have a look
[09:11] <popey> logout, when you login click the cog and choose unity 2d
[09:11] <czajkowski> done
[09:11] <czajkowski> now in 2d
[09:12] <popey> see if you get corruption
[09:12] <czajkowski> hmm
[09:12] <czajkowski> doesnt seem to be
[09:13] <czajkowski> shall try and move things around
[09:13] <czajkowski> popey: thanks for the help
[09:14] <czajkowski> nope it happens to a lesser extent
[09:14] <czajkowski> dasher icons so far are ok
[09:15] <popey> ok, another thing you can do...
[09:15] <popey> http://marianochavero.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/a-simple-gui-for-unity-2d-settings-ubuntu-11-04/
[09:15] <popey> install that
[09:16] <popey> and then untick the 'Enable compositing'
[09:16] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[09:16] <czajkowski> will do thanks
[09:17] <czajkowski> gonna lie down for a bit and come back, need to rest back and turn
[13:43] <nigelb> lol http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/12/14
[13:49] <Pendulum> jussi: CONGRATS!
[13:50] <nigelb> OH
[13:50] <nigelb> where are the details?
[13:50] <nigelb> ha
[13:50] <nigelb> facebook
[13:51] <nigelb> jussi: CONGRATULATIONS!
[13:58] <Pici> jussi: congrats :)
[13:58] <Pici> to your wife too :)
[14:14] <snap-l> Bah, Facebook is not OSS, and plays fast and loose with your data, so no congratulations for using Facebook. </sarcasm>
[14:14] <snap-l> That said, Congratulations jussi on whatever awesomeness just happened. :)
[14:14] <mhall119> jussi +1'd
[14:15] <mhall119> congrats jussi
[14:40] <mhall119> jono: jcastro: dpm: balloons: dholbach: good morning
[14:40] <dholbach> mhall119, hello! :)
[14:40] <dpm> hey, good morning mhall119
[14:40] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[14:40] <mhall119> good
[14:40] <mhall119> dholbach: did you get my email about the bug stats graphs?
[14:41] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, but I got 60000000000 other emails as well since I left for Morocco :)
[14:41] <dholbach> looking into it now
[14:41] <dpm> mhall119, we might need to start the hangout later on, as jcastro and his dedicated hangout tablet are not in the room right now
[14:41] <mhall119> ah yes, the post-vacation inbox explosion
[14:41] <dholbach> it's madness
[14:42] <mhall119> dpm: I'm not going to do a hangout full time, since it crashed my laptop pretty hard yesterday
[14:42]  * MrChrisDruif feels left out
[14:42] <dpm> mhall119, no worries, I was just mentioning in case you felt like it - I hope the laptop survived!
[14:43] <mhall119> dpm: had to reboot it again for it to remember that I have a sound card
[14:44] <mhall119> which had me worried that there was permanent damage for a bit yesterday
[14:44] <dpm> ouch
[14:44] <mhall119> yeah
[14:44] <mhall119> I may get jcastro to just pull be up on skype audio, since it's the video that kills me
[14:45] <jono> hey mhall119 :-)
[14:55] <balloons> hey mhall119!
[14:55] <mhall119> jono: I shared a doc with you
[14:55] <jono> thanks mhall119
[14:55] <mhall119> I've also got one of the sumo devs helping me identify what all the apps do
[14:55] <jono> awesome
[14:55] <jono> which doc is it? I don't see the share
[14:55] <dholbach> mhall119, I PMed you
[14:55] <mhall119> sent to jono<at>u.c
[14:56] <jono> mhall119, got it
[14:56] <jono> one sec, wrapping up an email
[14:56] <james_w> hey dholbach, how was the vacation?
[14:56] <dholbach> james_w, NICE
[14:56] <dholbach> loved it, especially the days in the desert
[14:56] <james_w> great
[14:57] <mhall119> dholbach: did daker give you a tour?
[14:57] <dholbach> when the dust settles a bit, I'll upload a few pictures
[14:57] <james_w> are we going to be hunting out Moroccan restaurants at the next UDS?
[14:57] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, we met him in Rabat, he took off half a day to show us around
[14:57] <dholbach> it was great
[14:57] <dholbach> james_w, I'm totally up for it
[14:58] <daker> hello ツ
[14:58] <dholbach> hey daker
[14:58]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:58]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:58]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:59]  * daker hugs dholbach back
[15:07] <scott-work> good morning everyone
[15:07]  * scott-work had been having trouble getting over sickness but is feeling more himself now :)
[15:15] <scott-work> jono: just read your blog about LTS, should ubuntu studio be worried about this?
[15:18] <popey> scott-work: i dont think so, the others are going LTS because the specifically requested it
[15:22] <scott-work> popey: jono and i had talked specifically about this at uds :/   although i admit that i didn't specifically request this as such.....hmmmmm
[15:24] <scott-work> maybe i'm being touchy or sensitive, but i'm pretty dedicated to getting and keeping ubuntu studio at a certain level of quality
[15:25] <mhall119> scott-work: it could just be due to the nature of the apps that would have to be supported in studio
[15:26] <mhall119> since the support is back-porting fixes into older versions of the app
[15:31] <scott-work> from another perspective, here's my larger concern (moving my personal feelings aside)....
[15:32] <scott-work> i feel strongly about having an LTS version of ubuntu studio simply because i believe a majority of our users need (nay, crave) stability
[15:32] <scott-work> i'm at work, so i'll pursue this during lunch though
[15:35] <jono> scott-work, nothing to worry about
[15:35] <jono> derivs and flavors need to apply to the TB to be an LTS
[15:36] <jono> Canonical does not provide LTS support to them
[15:37] <AlanBell> wouldn't they get LTS support for most of the plumbing for free just because they share the repos though?
[15:52] <czajkowski> jussi: congrats!!!
[15:53] <cprofitt> congrats?
[15:53] <cprofitt> did the baby arrive?
[15:53] <czajkowski> yes
[15:53] <cprofitt> Woohoo!! Congrats jussi
[16:00] <jono> mhall119, so I just opened up that spreadsheet
[16:00] <jono> not entirely sure what it is
[16:00] <jono> can you explain?
[16:00] <jono> jussi, baby arrived?
[16:00] <jono> nice!
[16:01] <jono> congrats Jussi!
[16:01] <jono> I am sure you will be a rocking dad :-)
[16:01] <mhall119> jono: it's the list of django apps used by sumo
[16:01] <jono> mhall119, gotcha
[16:01] <mhall119> jono: I'm using it to identify what each one does, and whether we need it/can reuse it or not
[16:02] <jono> so what I am keen to understand is given the default installation of Sumo, how well does it meet our needs for help.ubuntu.com, and where it doesn't, what work would be required for it to meet our needs?
[16:02] <jono> kind of like a spec
[16:02] <mhall119> jono: yeah, this is step 1 of getting to there: knowing *what* sumo does
[16:03] <jono> mhall119, ahhh gotcha
[16:03] <jono> mhall119, thanks for doing this
[16:03] <jono> mhall119, is there any way I can play with the instance you set up?
[16:07] <mhall119> jono: I only get it setup on my laptop, but I can install it on canonistack if you want
[16:14] <jono> mhall119, yes please
[16:14] <jono> mhall119, maybe ask jcastro how much work would be involved in writing a Charm too
[16:16] <mhall119> ok
[16:16] <mhall119> is jcastro back in the room now?
[16:21] <dholbach> nope
[16:23] <dholbach> he just came back
[16:23] <dholbach> mhall119, ^
[16:24]  * mhall119 waves at jcastro 
[16:38] <mhall119> jono: are you available to /join #sumodev on mozilla?
[16:38] <jono> mhall119, one sec
[16:38] <mhall119> thanks
[16:40] <jono> mhall119, struggling to get connected
[16:40] <jono> too many hosts from my IP apparently
[16:42] <mhall119> jono: no worries, someone's asking for more specifically what we want to get out of using sumo that we don't get from wiki.u.c and forums.u.c
[16:42] <mhall119> since a lot of what sumo provides is a wiki and forums
[16:43] <jono> mhall119, I think we want a more integrated experience, easier editing, integrated translations, better structure for the content, better search etc
[16:44] <mhall119> ok
[16:45] <mhall119> so we're okay with having duplicate functionalty from wiki.u.c, forums.u.c, launchpad karma and askubuntu?
[16:47] <jono> dholbach, https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/pipermail/developers-public/2011-October/007647.html
[16:49] <dholbach> nice
[17:25] <mhall119> wow, that's a long list of requirements
[17:27] <mhall119> cable guy is here, time for *another* new DVR
[17:27]  * mhall119 wants an Ubuntu TV set-top box so bad
[17:27] <cjohnston> lol
[17:27] <cjohnston> there is a ppa mhall119
[17:28] <mhall119> I know, but the ppa doesn't come with hardware
[17:29] <cjohnston> lol
[17:29] <mhall119> dang, everyone' done already
[18:02] <daker> hey mhall119, small question pls
[18:02] <daker> is this http://pastebin.com/AjeFMaEV good or bad ?
[18:02] <daker> the CPU usage of java process
[18:02] <mhall119> daker: what are you running in java?
[18:02] <daker> openfire
[18:03] <mhall119> it's been years since I've played with openfire, but I don't remmeber it doing that
[18:03] <mhall119> it certainly doesn't *look* good to me
[18:03] <daker> it's always between 99% & 103%
[18:04] <mhall119> how many clients are connecting to it?
[18:04] <daker> only one
[18:05] <daker> it's just pushing infos to openfire every 3/4mins
[18:07] <mhall119> wow, it shouldn't be that high then
[18:07] <mhall119> daker: what kind of server is it on?
[18:08] <daker> webserver
[18:08] <mhall119> it's not an Amazon EC2 micro is it?
[18:08] <daker> no
[18:08] <mhall119> ok
[18:12] <daker> thanks mhall119
[18:12] <mhall119> np
[19:33]  * JanC remembers some friends who ran an Openfire server several years ago; they had to restart it every couple of days because it leaked memory like hell...
[19:33] <JanC> they didn't complain about CPU though
[20:32] <doctormon> pleia2: Could you have a look over my blog http://doctormo.org/2012/01/10/3706/ before I post it?
[20:36]  * pleia2 has a look
[20:38] <pleia2> doctormon: that's good :)
[20:39] <doctormon> Thanks, no suggestions or confusions?
[20:40] <pleia2> it does leave a wide open question of "ok, so this is what we want to do, but how?" but I think that can be answered in a later post :)
[20:43] <doctormon> Good point, I still have some cleaning up and some drawings to do. But perhaps a to be continued...
[20:47] <mhall119> doctormon: you mention the ability of word of mouth to cross teh chasm, but also the fact that word of mouth has slowed down or stopped being effective at increasing mindshare
[20:48] <JanC> it hasn't stopped being effective to increase mindshare, but it has stopped to be new...
[20:48] <mhall119> have you considered the possibility that we're running up against the limit or word-of-mouth?
[20:48] <mhall119> limit *of*
[20:48] <JanC> which means less attention in the press   ;)
[21:02] <JanC> doctormon: what exactly do you refer to with "But the message got old over the years, the faith and the vitality has waned and public relations issues have made the message of spreading Ubuntu to everyone you know less appealing and seem more risky"
[21:02] <doctormon> mhall119: just the limit of those involved to tell the same stories
[21:04] <JanC> because I know that we lost a lot of enthusiasm with Canonical pushing half-finished projects onto unsuspecting users...
[21:04] <mhall119> doctormon: good point, I guess the 'chasm' then is to get people outside of our FLOSS groups talking about it
[21:05] <doctormon> mhall119: If we can just get people inside FLOSS groups to talk about it ;-)
[21:05] <mhall119> they aren't?
[21:06] <doctormon> Not really, some are, but it's not a culture of story telling.
[21:06] <JanC> I guess that depends on what FOSS group
[21:12] <mhall119> bkerensa: you're in Oregon right?
[21:13] <czajkowski> I really hate the word FLOSS
[21:14] <czajkowski> prefer the word FOSS to be used
[21:14] <mhall119> FLOSS is AWESOME!
[21:14]  * mhall119 knows you love me ;)
[21:14] <czajkowski> hard to get new people involved when they heard the word floss, they assume it;s to do with cleaning ones teeth
[21:14] <doctormon> agreed
[21:14] <czajkowski> mhall119: dont press my buttons this week :)
[21:15] <mhall119> this is the best time, it's not like you can do anything to me
[21:15] <mhall119> it's when you're healthy that I'll have to watch out
[21:15] <czajkowski> mhall119: course there is, one word to the higher being
[21:15] <czajkowski> mhall119: http://twitpic.com/85koay
[21:15] <czajkowski> it's been a long few days
[21:16] <mhall119> ouch
[21:16] <doctormon> that looks medical...
[21:16] <czajkowski> aye had surgery on my back last friday
[21:16] <mhall119> czajkowski: how long did they say the recovery period will be?
[21:16] <czajkowski> much better now and at home
[21:16] <czajkowski> 4-6 weeks
[21:16] <doctormon> congratulations on I pressume sucessful surgury?
[21:17] <mhall119> any surgery you wake up from...
[21:17] <czajkowski> hhope so
[21:17] <czajkowski> feel better but sore
[21:17] <mhall119> czajkowski: I can't imagine going through that...
[21:18] <bkerensa> mhall119: Correct
[21:18] <czajkowski> mhall119: so no using the word floss and setting me off shall we :)
[21:18] <mhall119> bkerensa: you know there guys? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/a-first-look-at-ctls-ubuntu-product-lineup/
[21:18]  * doctormon gives czajkowski a rare but pain free hug
[21:18] <mhall119> czajkowski: I'll do my best
[21:19] <czajkowski> right and back to Sherlock
[21:19] <czajkowski> toodles
[21:19] <czajkowski> <---- offline
[21:20] <JanC> czajkowski: you *will* recover before FOSDEM, right?  :P
[21:20] <bkerensa> mhall119: Yes I know them
[21:21] <bkerensa> they invited me to a corporate BBQ last summer
[21:21] <doctormon> Is the new sherlock out yet? I wonder...
[21:21] <czajkowski> JanC: damn straight nothing keeping me from waffles and choclate!
[21:23] <bkerensa> mhall119: They offered me a job as their Ubuntu Product guy
[21:23] <bkerensa> :P
[21:23] <mhall119> bkerensa: oh yeah?
[21:25] <bkerensa> mhall119: Yeah.... They have a Mac guy doing it right now :P I declined though
[21:25] <bkerensa> apparently they are planning to get Ubuntu Certified
[21:26] <bkerensa> and also considering becoming a corporate member of Linux Foundation and they asked my thoughts on whether it would benefit them
[21:26] <doctormon> bkerensa: Who is this they?
[21:26] <bkerensa> CTL's Director of Business Development and their Exec VP and COO
[21:27] <bkerensa> a Laptop, Tablet, Server and TV manufacturer
[21:29] <doctormon> bkerensa: Huh and they have an Ubuntu job going spare? :-)
[21:30] <bkerensa> Yeah if you live in the U.S. but they asked me to shop my colleagues for someone qualified to handle the role and I asked Benjamin Kero at Mozilla if he wants the gig and I think he is going to hop on it
[21:30] <bkerensa> :D
[21:30] <bkerensa> It requires being Portland based
[21:30] <bkerensa> :P