[00:28] what are people using for mail in Ubuntu? [00:30] or, to put it another way, who on earth thought Thunderbird was a good choice? [00:31] how do you stop that annoying orange flashing thing in the status bar? [00:33] is there a way to stop Unity maximising every bloody window every chance it gets? [00:41] Im using thunderbird and want to die more each day [00:41] It used to be ok... [00:42] gordonjcp: maximising, ewww.... there's a tweak on ubuntu geek for it i think [03:00] What's this Ubuntu TV thing all about then? [03:01] I think it's like appleTV, Google TV, TiVO, etc... [03:01] like a media centre? [03:10] waste of bandwidth then? ;) [03:32] I have to go [04:21] that's a bit harsh hamitron .. I love my xbmc [04:21] hm, timestamp fail + good lord it's 4am already [04:21] hehe, I was asking ;) [04:23] loosely related, I played around with netflix a bit more. quite disappointed so far, and not just the selection [04:23] that bit I expect to improve over time, but their ipad app is terrible, which was going to be my main use for it [08:07] aloha [08:13] morning all [08:15] AlanBell: hows you [08:16] good thanks [08:18] Morning all [08:22] Morning [08:23] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ces/9002390/CES-2012-Linux-Ubuntu-TV-launched-by-British-firm-Canonical.html mainstream coverage [08:28] morning beauties [08:32] morning morning [08:33] morning beasties [08:33] hellos [08:33] AlanBell: But will it be enough to push up desktop take up? [08:36] who knows, but mainstream coverage is good [08:37] :) [09:09] morning [09:09] gonna download the tv code and try to get it to run on the revo [09:10] [Jono Bacon] Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu LTS - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/10/xubuntu-kubuntu-and-edubuntu-lts/ [09:12] danfish: ello ello [09:18] Good morning peeps :) [09:18] how's the back czajkowski? [09:19] little bit sore today tbh [09:20] czajkowski: Able to move around yet? Or still stuck lying down? [09:27] * oimon has a cold on top of a cold [09:27] hopefully cold 1.0 will be uninstalled soon [09:41] Hi AdvoWork [09:44] daubers: I can move around, just really slowly. and no bending or lifting [09:46] Hi DJones [09:48] AdvoWork: I'm trying to remember the model number for the asus laptop, but just can't get it to spring to mind, all I can remember is that its red, i3, 500Gb drive and intel graphics [09:52] DJones, lol, no worries, I cna wait a while, its just difficult finding supported models that you can actually buy, I think most people(or some atleast) would give up at this stage [09:56] I got a HPG72 which has worked great apart from a the screen is always dimmed at boot [09:57] I would suspect that most machines in the sub £350 price range will come with Intel graphics which while not brilliant for game play, (from my experience of INtel HDA) have been pretty good [10:02] czajkowski: Ah, you'll be fine soon enough [10:03] yup indeed [10:05] DJones: or indeed, "not brilliant" [10:05] at all [10:06] ah, kernel 3.2 added to 12.04...time to start testing it [10:12] oimon: it's been in there for a while [10:12] oimon: maybe they were RCs though [10:14] Good morning all! :D [10:20] o/ [10:34] hmm, at what time did I think it sensible to upgrade the revo (HTPC) to precise :/ [10:35] Why not [10:35] should be fine [10:35] unless you have some extra stuff like ppa builds of xbmc or something? [10:39] popey: I *did* have xbmc on it but new TV has DNLA - may try and buld ubuntu tv on it [10:40] * daubers craves biscuits [10:40] ubuntu tv has less functionality right now than xbmc [10:43] but it's PURPLE [10:43] the concept is aubergine :p [10:43] Purple, exactly. [10:44] your eyes are broken ☺ [10:44] popey: No, I'm of the opinion that only 5-6 colours exist, and others are just bad remixes :) [10:45] So, I saw Windows 8 today. [10:45] nigelb: Poor you [10:45] I think Microsoft has woken up. [10:45] The UX was actually pretty good. [10:45] And built on html, css, and js (I think) [10:47] good morning everyone. [10:48] hello [10:48] o/ brobostigon [10:48] hello popey and danfish o/ [10:48] popey: Is it your team that does the TV stuff? [10:49] I am part of the team that does it, yes. [10:49] Ah, cool :) [10:49] amongst other things ☺ [10:50] Anyone got a link for that Unity Launcher dev thing? [10:50] can you be more specific? [10:51] There was a development tuning set of sources for the Unity launcher linked on an Ubuntu blog recently [10:52] Tuning parameters like hide time, etc [10:52] I was wondering if it supported hide timeout based purely on a lack of mouseover events for X ms [10:53] http://design.canonical.com/2012/01/launcher-reveal-prototype/ [10:54] Use case : I use Synergy. My other screen is to the left of my Ubuntu workstation. When the mouse pointer crosses over to the other screen, the launcher unhides. When the mouse pointer crosses back, acceleration often causes the pointer to cross into the Ubuntu screen without actually entering the launcher. This deprives the launcher of a "mouse leaves" event, which means it doesn't hide. [10:54] In order to make it hide you then have to move the mouse over it, or doubletap the Super key [10:55] awilkins: do you find that synergy doesn't transmit all keys? eg shift+3 [10:55] popey: what do you do in the team? [10:55] Prods people in new directions? [10:56] bigcalm: I have memories of being annoyed by it, but I've not noticed being really annoyed by it recently, so I guess the builds I'm using have solved the issues [10:56] Asus and Nvidia prepare £160 quad-core tablet...oooh [10:56] Oh [10:56] bigcalm: One thing that comes to mind is that Synergy can fail to transmit one of the shift keys to RDP sessions you have open in a client machine [10:56] awilkins: I just use whatever comes out of the software centre [10:57] bigcalm: My client is Windows so I'm on the latest Synergy2 build from SF [10:57] Ah [10:57] Seeker`: I'm an Engineering Manager, I have guys working on custom builds and packages for bespoke hardware [10:57] My client is 10.10 [10:57] bigcalm: Server is synergy via QuickSynergy on Ubuntu [10:57] Using QuickSynergy here as well. A GUI that is useful! [10:58] oimon: the transformer prime is a quad-and-a-half tablet already [10:58] popey: i was more excited at the price :D [10:59] well, yes [11:00] * oimon doesn't need another tablet anyway [11:05] morning all [11:05] czajkowski: prod how's you? [11:06] not to bad my dear, and you? [11:10] czajkowski: I'm good I'm just waiting for you to get better so I can prod the living daylights out of you ;) [11:11] s/prod/???? [11:12] davmor2: hah [11:13] haha [11:14] such loove [11:16] christel: darling! [11:17] hellooo prettyface [11:17] o/ [11:19] christel: how are you this lovely morning [11:24] christel: Hey I'm behaving I'm at least letting czajkowski get bet before the torrent of abuse issues forth :D [11:25] such a kinda gentleman is davmor2 [11:25] woo, fosdem [11:25] WHOOO [11:26] directhex: already? [11:26] MartijnVdS, my talk is confirmed, so woo [11:27] directhex: what will you be talking about? [11:27] MartijnVdS, debian packaging info for .net upstreams [11:27] dear failers, stop failing, ta [11:27] Laney: that's like "Dear water, please stop being wet." [11:28] directhex: no cats please this time! [11:28] czajkowski: you're going to fosdem too? [11:29] yup [11:29] czajkowski, i've got 2 cats left over from last year. and a hedgehog. that's it. [11:29] czajkowski: i am decent! thyself? :) [11:29] taking part in a panel discussion on locos/ambassadors [11:30] christel: nay bad darling [11:30] mothership is invading on friday for the day [11:30] over and back [11:30] directhex: http://i.imgur.com/UvFTC.jpg [11:30] ._. [11:31] directhex: it's a "quokka" [11:32] christel: That is quite obviously a lie, you may be well, but decent isn't a term I've heard in conjunction with you before :D [11:36] MartijnVdS: So Qt Quokka [11:37] davmor2: ? [11:38] MartijnVdS: the next release :) [11:40] Do I buy a 120gb ssd for 126 quid (1.05 per gb) or 60gb for 71 quid (1.18 per gb)? [11:41] bigcalm: do you need 120gb? [11:42] Seeker`: for the laptop to dual boot 12.04 and win7 [11:42] d you need 120gb? [11:42] 60gb would still do I guess [11:42] bigcalm: 60gb all day long it must be way better if it's more expensive right :D [11:42] if you need 120gb, get 120gb [11:42] you need 120GB. [11:42] if you don't, get 50gb [11:42] 120GB is barely enough for windows & a few games, let alone dual boot [11:43] directhex: good point. The laptop is the only one with game os on it [11:43] bigcalm: in all seriousness if you plan on installing anything on Ubuntu or Windows get the 120 gb [11:44] a modern game can easily be >20GB [11:44] Go for one of these & do a USB install http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/09/swiss_penknife_ssd/ Its only $2,000 ish [11:46] Happy with the 60gb OCZ Vertex in my workstation, so looking at the 120gb OCZ Agility for the laptop. My 1st thought that I would be throwing good money at a terrible laptop, but I will take the drive out for whatever comes after it [11:49] \o/ GameOS === _timp is now known as timp [11:52] bigcalm: Neither - you spend £1.41/gig on a OCZ Revodrive (120GB) [11:52] (assuming you have a PCI-E for it to go in) [11:52] Oli: it's going in my laptop [11:52] So, no [11:53] popey: new challenge for you and gord, The Ubuntu Games Console, UGamer :D Oh and it needs more than minecraft ;) [11:53] bigcalm: That's a shame because they're awesome. You could always buy it and switch it for the SSD in your workstation... [11:55] popey: are there images for Ubuntu TV available? [11:56] The problem with small laptop drives though (obviously) is you run out of space quickly. Unless you've got two HD slots, there's no opportunity for a slow mechanical drive as you have in a desktop. [11:57] that's why I yanked my dvdr and put spinning rust in its place [11:58] Yeah that's a good option if the laptop if popular enough to have somebody making HD-caddy bay replacements [11:58] that's the bit that strikes me as odd. are the drives themselves not a relatively standard shape? [12:00] AFAIK, no [12:00] They're similar (they're all designed around a CD) but I think there's quite a bit of variance. Could be completely wrong. [12:00] well that I didn't know (my last PC-based laptop ran win31) [12:01] how can i get byobu to show me the name of the machines i'm connected to in different sessions? [12:01] without manually renaming with F8 [12:01] there's a "standard" shape for laptop drives, but that standard is inly implemented by small fry manufacturers on their biggest laptops [12:01] it's how you put slim drives in ITX cases [12:03] gordonjcp: not yet [12:04] popey: I'm quite keen to give it a shot, what are the likely requirements? [12:04] Pay day and the 1st thing I do is but an SSD. Yay for geekyness [12:06] gordonjcp: runs on an Atom apparently [12:12] I think I need a new PC and a new monitor [12:12] popey: you use byobu don't you? [12:12] the bulk of the RFI around here seems to come from the video cable [12:14] gordonjcp: i have it running on an acer revo [12:14] The sources are available though [12:14] we also have it built to run on a pandboard [12:14] What's the backend supplying the EPG? [12:14] there isnt yet [12:18] oimon: i do [12:19] popey: how do you get the session name to report the hostname of the machine you are logged into? [12:19] popey: are you using the new and improved tmux byobu? [12:19] byobu just says ssh [12:19] Can anyone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/913037 ? [12:19] Ubuntu bug 913037 in libgphoto2 (Ubuntu) "Galaxy Nexus, Xoom: New device IDs for music-players.h" [Undecided,New] [12:19] CTRL+A, A [12:19] to set window title [12:19] ok, so manually [12:19] davmor2: not on my LTS server, but am on my laptop [12:20] yeah [12:20] sad face :( [12:20] popey: what do you think to it? [12:20] not used it enough to judge [12:21] popey: fair enough [12:21] oimon: maybe the standard "screen" way works [12:21] MartijnVdS: my terminal windows are correctly named after ssh'ing in [12:22] alan@mbp:~$ google [12:22] The program 'google' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: [12:22] sudo apt-get install googlecl [12:22] made me smile [12:22] hehehe [12:22] oimon: yes, so the titles get set with character sequence on the remote end but not locally? [12:23] MartijnVdS: i mean that gnome-terminal displays title, but byobu session name remains unchanged unless i manually change with F8 [12:24] oimon: ah.. I have no idea then [12:24] golly lunch! [12:24] ask Dustin :) [12:24] ttfn [12:24] no, it doesn't seem to be a great solution like everyone is saying [12:24] popey: \o [12:24] enjoy the ghoulash [12:25] Enjoy the gulag? What? [12:29] "AllGo Systems and Canonical to Offer Genivi Compliant Linux Automotive Infotainment Solution and Cloud Services to Cars" [12:29] Ubuntu Car Stereo? [12:29] http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120109005827/en/AllGo-Systems-Canonical-Offer-Genivi-Compliant-Linux [12:29] Together the solution provides advanced features for next generation connected car platforms like personal cloud services based on Ubuntu One, smartphone and tablet Integration in the car and location-based services. The solution, which enables automotive OEMs and tier-one suppliers to build feature-rich IVI Systems and applications, will be showcased during CES 2012 at Canonical's Ubuntu stand at South Hall 4 Upper Level #35379 and AllGo suite #2 [12:32] Marketese detected. [12:36] Why do I have this mental image of Chef Skinner in Ratatouille creating a new line of Chef Gusteau Burritos... [13:02] * popey returns from lunch [13:02] HE SURVIVED [13:09] * danfish eats 'pot luck pie' ie leftovers from sunday shoved under a pastry topping [13:10] Mmm, pie [13:11] Piiiiiiie [13:11] 2012 is the official year of the pie....somewhere [13:12] mmpie. [13:13] pie should sponsor the olympics. it'd make more sense than McD's, and make for some entertaining billboards [13:15] homemade pie is good - might well be making more pie this year (though at 1 today, I've already beaten my 2011 number) [13:20] 5-a-day [13:20] Pies? [13:21] Mince pie, meat pie... some kind of breakfast pie with eggs and bacon [13:21] Homity pie for the veggies [13:22] onion, cheese, egg pie \o/ [13:22] Hmm, what should be the 5th pie of the day [13:23] chocolate, banana and whisky :) [13:24] Guinness and pork [13:24] pie [13:24] AlanBell: when/wheres the next Happy Hour [13:26] now that is an exceptionally good question [13:26] I'm trying to figure out if the cost of the olympics could have bought every person in the UK 365 pies instead. Today is an exceptionally slow day. [13:27] (and I'm not sure if they still have 50pence meat & tatty pies like when I were a lad) [13:27] AlanBell: i am thinking reading! [13:27] soon [13:27] then i can combine it with getting a piece of Dave2's herman! [13:27] reading is good [13:27] oooh a herman, I had one of those [13:27] (which i shall in turn share with you!) [13:27] (when he grows up) [13:27] weird [13:28] TFL just emailed me to remind me to turn off my engine [13:28] Laney: you should! [13:28] I don't have an engine! [13:28] Dave2: when is the sharing date of the herman? [13:28] herman will be ready for dividing on sunday, so after sunday! [13:28] AlanBell: Sunday is when it's divided, but it seems to survive being frozen [13:28] Dave2: what's a good pub? [13:28] interesting, I didn't know that [13:28] At least, I gave a frozen one to someone else who is growing his own Herman [13:29] It's just a special sourdough culture.. those can survive a LOT :) [13:29] Bah...all this pie and I thought you was talking about raspberry pi. [13:29] shauno : Venes [13:29] MartijnVdS: yesyes, but like ubuntu it's all about the sharing! [13:29] of the yeasty bacteria.. [13:29] ok that just went weird [13:29] christel: Sure, but the freezing! :) [13:29] reading is good for daubers too I think [13:30] ah yes, daubers is a readingite isn't he [13:30] and it's close enough for us to attend [13:30] \o/ [13:30] what's the/a herman? [13:30] christel: good question. I think there are basically three pubs I go to in Reading. There's zerodegrees, which is where people go from work, there's the hobgoblin which is tiny, and there's the back of beyond which is a wetherspoon's. [13:30] (And where the LUG's held) [13:30] shauno, Olympic venues, and regeneration of East End, £9.345 B, staging games £2B [13:30] danfish: it's a german friendship cake, well, it's a sourdough you cultivate and grow, then you bake a cake from one part and give three parts away to friends tod o the same [13:30] it's basically an edible chain letter [13:30] shauno, Population of UK 62M [13:30] * christel nods [13:30] inte [13:30] interesting [13:31] (though, i don't think it comes with any bad luck if you fail) [13:31] It's a chain letter that's tasty [13:31] and that you can freeze and use later. [13:31] And does actually have a reward at end. [13:31] yes! [13:31] we should mass produce AlanBell, and you could ship a herman with every cd! [13:32] er, not mass produce AlanBells, that'd be... awkward [13:32] shauno, So that's £177 each, so it could buy us all a CHEAP pie for a year [13:32] I was thinking [13:32] * AlanBell does not want to be mass produced [13:32] yeah, that's not far off the 50 pence pies we used to get [13:32] But one suspects that the budget will overrun (these things do) [13:32] christel - I would like an AlanBell. A butler around the place would be nice. [13:32] So if we assume £1 a pie [13:33] We could plot the budget overrun by the date in the year when the Olympic budget would stop buying everyone in the UK a pie [13:33] JGJones: they take so much longer to make and train than the hermans though! [13:33] Currently June 26th [13:33] sounds like a fun way to put everything into piespective [13:34] it's much more difficult to visualise costs when they run into billions. but if you start taking away people's pies, they know what's up [13:34] Pies from the pie shop in Reading are £3. I'd want to be bought those rather than pies that cost £1. [13:35] Pork Farms Medium Pork Pie, Tesco, £0.85 [13:35] see, that's what I get for growing up up north. I forget how silly some of your prices are [13:35] eww [13:36] i once had an amazing pie with ade [13:36] it was at some odd pie place in birmingham in which the pie was served in cute little cardboard boxes [13:36] Pies from the Reading pie shop are really nice though. [13:37] (so that you could later give them away to very small homeless people to sleep in) [13:37] Tesco Quiche, £1 [13:38] Or a deli counter cornish pasty [13:39] cornish pasty hmmmm [13:39] too bad you can't get them here (or good ones, anyway) [13:39] * daubers waits for a program to crash again [13:39] we get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahmacun though [13:39] daubers: are you up for reading happy hour? [13:40] that was one really odd thing I found in the states. it turns out there's a cornish diaspora in northern michigan, so you could actually get proper pasties! [13:40] christel: Oooh, when? [13:40] daubers: well, how about the next one? so january! ;) [13:40] (also whoever chose the hobgoblin needs a slap) [13:40] the hobgoblin is a bit small isnt it? [13:40] christel: Umm.... can't really do this month as I'm a) broke and b) not here a lot :) [13:40] (alanbell would love some better suggestions) [13:41] aww! ok, february then?! [13:41] February is cool :) [13:41] AlanBell: ok, how about reading february and a farnham pubcrawl when popey returns to england? [13:41] There's the place that SCLug meet, it's a spoons though, or there's the place where the geek night people meet which is near the spoons [13:42] * christel nods [13:42] I really should try to get the UK more often. ryanair isn't really *that* bad (for <1hr flights) [13:43] headphones help [13:44] shauno: yes! come over for all the happy hours [13:44] my ears don't pop easily, so noise is one problem I don't have on flights [13:45] not even the noise of all the selling? [13:45] everything just sounds like they're having a part nextdoor [13:48] the last time i flew ryanair, i was delayed > 8 hours [13:48] glasgow -> stanstead [13:49] that's actually one problem I haven't run into. they hate being late, because it eats into their margins [13:50] my mate got rather wasted on beer because he sat in the bar for most of the wait. there's not much to do at prestwick [13:57] there's not much to do at many airports. they're not exactly famous for their entertainment value [13:58] my local airport is essentially a bar in a field. it was a little disturbing watching the security guy go back to pulling pints once everyone was in [14:00] are there any uk pay as you go mobile providers that don't wipe your credit off if you don't use it [14:00] Do any of them wipe your credit off? [14:01] I'm considering attatching a mobile phone to a machine I have to send me some SMS alerts, however I don't think it will use £10 in a year, most UK providers tend to require you to put $X X ammount on your phone each month [14:01] Surely no providers require you to make monthly topups? [14:01] some of the small print I'm reading suggests you do [14:01] I didn't think so either. [14:01] I was on O2 PAYG for many years and only topped up monthly at the end [14:01] And that was just to get the 500MB of data [14:02] looking into this more, good that you seem surprised by this too [14:03] I would usually go months between topups on O2 [14:03] well, I'm expecting to not top this up in a year [14:05] ikonia: giffgaff.com [14:05] this looks interesting thanks [14:05] ikonia: why SMS alerts? [14:05] oimon: simple alert that I can get anywhere [14:05] why not sms alerts ? [14:05] ikonia: Orange don't... [14:06] if I'm reading O2's correctly, you don't have to top up, but you do need to use your phone [14:06] gordonjcp: yeah, I'm just reading, you have to make a call or sms in 9 months or they close the account [14:06] shauno: yes, just found some of the more detailed terms [14:06] depends if u have a smartphone i guess, otherwise SMS can be replaced by email or tweet, or you can use a email->SMS service [14:06] "7.1 If you do not make or receive a chargeable call at least once in any 6 month period your Mobile Phone will be disconnected and you will lose any remaining credits balance on your Account." is O2's [14:06] so I guess a cron job to send a test text once in 6 months would work [14:08] is the machine network-connected? [14:08] yes [14:08] then maybe email->SMS gateway is a better solution [14:08] sms alerts can be handy even with a network. it's nice to have something out-of-band [14:08] there are free-to-use ones out there apparently [14:09] eg, "help, my network has disappeared" isn't going to reach you until it's fixed [14:09] send email, receive SMS [14:09] not great as one of the things I want to check is the connection, if the connection goes down I'll lose the ability to email [14:09] if that was the case I'd just email [14:09] shauno: nor will "mobile phone out of credit, unplugged, hung" [14:09] but for the sake of a £10 phone, and £10 top up, it seemed a useful addition to email [14:10] FAIL DAMMIT! [14:10] jpds: giffgaf don't seem to do pay as you go, just £150 per month [14:10] stupid random failure events [14:11] ikonia: No, they do pay-as-you-go. [14:11] thanks chaps, just need to research a gsm compatible hand set, most nokias seem fine [14:11] ikonia: that's not too bad surely? === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [14:11] ikonia: once a month send a single text "Hi your monitoring system hasn't died" [14:12] gordonjcp yup, seems a simple solution, once every two months send a 4p text saying "test" [14:13] pick a few close friends/family and get it to remind you of their birthdays. get your 4 pence worth ;) [14:13] ha ha, good idea [14:13] make my 4p work for me [14:13] ikonia: you can put the sim card in a USB dongle [14:13] AlanBell: yes, I was looking at that from 3 - they have good supported dongles [14:13] google tv announcing a few partners @ CES this year [14:13] just try to avoid the birthday paradox [14:14] ikonia: "HONK HONK HONK THIS IS THE EVERYTHING'S OKAY ALARM HONK HONK HONK" [14:14] AlanBell: have you done this before, can you treat the usb stick as a gsm modem (basically) [14:14] gordonjcp: I'll use that quote, thank you [14:14] ikonia: http://giffgaff.com/index/pricing [14:15] that's quite good, if I don't top up, I lose my free giffgaff calls....gutted ;) [14:15] gordonjcp, they were actually doing that at newcastle airport when I was there each week. they kept sounding the fire alarm, a "everyone out the terminal please" announcement, and then a "thanks for putting up with our tests, please let us know if you couldn't hear it" to make you sit back down [14:15] ikonia: yes, you can treat it like a GSM modem, but I think SMS is a slightly non-modemish conversation with the dongle [14:15] no real loss for me teir [14:15] their [14:15] AlanBell: depends on the mode you put it into [14:15] you just send an AT command to send an SMS [14:16] some SMSes need it to be encoded a slightly funny way [14:16]