[04:08] <nanotube> quick suggestion - 'activate focus stealing prevention' in 'windows manager tweaks' should be default.
[04:38] <nanotube> ok, i take that back. because it stops even applications i start deliberately from going to the front.
[04:38] <nanotube> i guess that makes sense, since it is programmatically hard to determine if something is being opened by me right now, or spawned by something else...
[04:38] <nanotube> but yea, i take it back. :)
[04:42] <Unit193> You're funny...
[04:42] <nanotube> haha yea sometimes. :) i was all like omg, focus stealing prevention, that sounds awesome!
[04:43] <nanotube> then i go ctl-alt-f and ctl-alt-t to start a browser window or terminal, or click a link in xchat irc... and it goes to the back. and i'm like omg whyyyy? :)
[04:44] <nanotube> and thus ended by brief love affair with focus stealing prevention. :)
[07:42] <knome> madnick, ? :)
[07:53] <madnick> knome: 
[07:55] <knome> want to go through some theming stuff today?
[08:00] <madnick> knome: sorry, i will not be home today
[08:00] <knome> no problem
[08:00] <madnick> but tommorrow is a good day
[08:01] <knome> i'm not sure how well that works for me, but might
[08:01] <madnick> okay
[11:59] <olbi> hello
[11:59] <olbi> is there on site listed default apps in Xubuntu 12.04?
[12:00] <knome> no. though nothing critical is changing
[12:20] <olbi> ok, I have updated wiki sites with newest information :)
[12:20] <olbi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[13:02] <knome> mr_pouit, you there?
[13:17] <knome> what do you people think: how often do people need a spreadsheet editor? do you think it's worth keeping on in the default installation, or could we do well without one?
[13:18] <olbi> we should make DVD
[13:19] <olbi> with LibreOffice
[13:19] <knome> disagree with that, but you are free to undertake the big xubuntu dvd project ;)
[13:19] <olbi> :D
[13:29] <olbi> Ubuntu has LO, Kubuntu has LO too, why Xubuntu couldnt have too :]
[13:29] <mr_pouit> one reason is cd space =]
[13:31] <mr_pouit> (e.g. more apps included by default => less language packs available by default)
[13:41] <olbi> you want allways keep on CD? In times where DVD is same price and speed like CD? It is weird
[13:42] <olbi> I dont mean have 2.2 GB, but only 1.2 - 1.3GB
[13:42] <olbi> where we could add more software
[13:42] <olbi> deafult installed on system
[13:43] <olbi> time need to install will be same and users dont feel difference
[13:44] <olbi> I have been installing Linux Mint and openSUSE which have 2.2GB DVD and time was even faster than Ubuntu
[14:02] <micahg> we got a shout out on omgbuntu: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/kubuntu-xubuntu-12-04-become-long-term-support-releases/
[14:02] <knome> errrrrrrrrrrrrr
[14:02] <knome> what's the thing with fuzzing with our logo?
[14:18] <olbi> OSWorld shout too: http://osworld.pl/2012/01/10/xubuntu-12-04-kubuntu-12-04-edubuntu-12-04-zostaja-wlaczone-do-lts/
[14:18] <olbi> :)
[14:41] <knome> huh? :P
[15:06] <madnick> hehe 38 new emails 
[15:08] <scott-work> good morning everyone
[15:08] <madnick> morning scott-work 
[16:06] <charlie-tca> A quick stop before losing the internet today
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Maybe-ubiquity is on the desktop cd's. Unfortunately, it goes straight to the live session, and there is no way to install Xubuntu. 
[16:07] <charlie-tca> You have to interupt the boot by holding right-shift (I think) to get a cd menu to install using the precise desktop images today
[16:09] <charlie-tca> I will wait until tomorrow to file the bugs on this, since I need to check them on hardware yet.
[16:09] <olbi> I have question, how much time it takes to updates on system, current fixed translations on site
[16:10] <olbi> I have beed translated Xfce Orage
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Until the translations are merged to Orage and then synced to Debian and Ubuntu
[16:11] <olbi> do you have some orientations of how much takes recently?
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I don't have, no. 
[16:12] <charlie-tca> First thing that happens is Xfce publishes the new version with the translations, then we can get that version.
[16:12] <olbi> :)
[17:54] <scott-work> micahg: you told me previously you use a term in the changelog for the release when it hasn't been released for a particular version
[17:55] <scott-work> micahg: i believe you use 'UNRELEASED' for this term
[17:55] <micahg> scott-work: yes
[17:55] <scott-work> by the way, i am back into updating the ubuntu studio theme-ui rebasing on xubuntu work again
[17:55] <scott-work> although i have now parsing the xubuntu code into ubuntu studio's current packages
[17:55] <scott-work> i have three packages already done, probably don't need to touch the others currently
[17:56] <scott-work> i plan to start test building tonight, then file the bug report, add the LP: # to the changelogs and push to bzr
[17:56] <scott-work> also update the seeds accordingly
[17:57] <micahg> ScottL: I'm heading out now, but will be back later
[17:57] <scott-work> no problem :)
[18:00] <scott-work> knome: did you still need to talk to me?
[18:00] <knome> humm
[18:00] <knome> i think i need guidance on where to head with the US website
[18:00] <scott-work> i'm hoping to make a major push on the website this weekend given the email from rt@ubuntu
[18:00] <scott-work> hehe
[18:00] <scott-work> oh, we were also talking business cards at one point as well
[18:00] <knome> yeah, that was actually why i was after you!
[18:00] <knome> just a sec
[18:01] <knome> well thought :))
[18:01] <scott-work> oh....good :)
[18:01] <knome> also
[18:02] <knome> where are you at regarding the ubiquity "installation sets"? i heard stgraber was doing some modifications to the installer and he said he'll get back to you after that
[18:02] <scott-work> knome: we haven't started, a few people mentioned they might do it but haven't yet
[18:03] <scott-work> i suppose after i get the ubuntu studio theme-ui transition pushed to bzr and the website (mostly) done i'll push into the seeds/ubiquity then
[18:03] <knome> mmh
[18:03] <scott-work> my goal is to have this done in time for A2 which means i hope to start next week on it
[18:14] <astraljava> Umm... what is that mail from Killian Picard about?
[18:14] <Unit193> Re: Microsoft & Apple software
[18:14] <Unit193> That's my best guess
[18:15] <knome> astraljava, probably a bit mental guy
[18:15] <knome> astraljava, and this time i don't mean you
[18:16] <astraljava> ACK
[18:22] <knome> scott-work, are you online later?
[18:27] <scott-work> knome: yes, i'll be in and out throught the following 4.5 hours at work
[18:27] <knome> scott-work, ok, i'll get back to you once i'm back myself :)
[19:21] <baizon> hmm a quick question... Firefox 10 will be a LTS. Will xubuntu use the normal versions, or will you stick with the LTS version?
[20:14] <scott-work> did xubuntu ask for the full 5 year LTS term?
[20:15] <Unit193> No, 3
[20:16] <scott-work> thank you Unit193 
[20:17] <Unit193> Yes sir!
[20:24] <knome> scott-work, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan