[00:01] <WireDreyfuss> Hey, Xubuntu channel.  I'm a new Xubuntu user.  Hoping someone can give me a rundown of install options.  I ran a Live USB version for a while and ran into trouble installing to HD.
[00:01] <WireDreyfuss> On my Live USB install, the system (syslinux, boot, install...) was 676Mb (ISO size).  And I had a 2BG "casper-rw" persistence file.  It ran pretty smooth.  I liked it.  The whole thing was under 3GB.
[00:02] <WireDreyfuss> But, when I install to the HD, the system installs (relatively) huge, coming in at 2.5GB, and allocating 1GB of Swap.
[00:02] <Unit193> multipass: Switch to a TTY (CTRL+ALT+F1) login, and sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[00:02] <WireDreyfuss> On a 4BG SSD harddrive (in a dirt cheap Asus 900A), that's all of it.
[00:02] <WireDreyfuss> There isn't enough space to install the first round of upgrades.
[00:02] <multipass> i login with rescue mode and tried that Unit193
[00:03] <WireDreyfuss> Question is: can I get an install the same size as the Live install (676Mb) on my harddrive?
[00:03] <Unit193> WireDreyfuss: Well, can't run kernel updates, and it isn't exactly an "install"
[00:03] <Unit193> multipass: What version are you on?
[00:03] <multipass> 11.10
[00:05] <Unit193> Well, see if you have lightdm installed   dpkg -l |grep lightdm
[00:05] <WireDreyfuss> Unit193, fair enough "Live" isn't an "install" kind of by definition.  So, if I'm willing to forgo kernel updates, can I get a HD install to be as small as 676Mb?  For that matter, could I "install" a Live edition to the harddrive?
[00:05] <Unit193> And if not, install it, if so, sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[00:06] <Unit193> WireDreyfuss: Well, I suppose you *could*
[00:06] <WireDreyfuss> Unit193, I'm not clear on how I'd do it.  I was using Universal USB Installer on a Windows machine to create the Live USB drives.  But I can't mount the Asus HD as a device.
[00:07] <WireDreyfuss> Oh, and I wouldn't really want to.  I've had two Live installs die on my when GVFS corrupts itself.
[00:07] <multipass> Unit193: reconfigure lightdm will reinstall?
[00:07] <WireDreyfuss> I can't tell whether this happens when it rusn out of space or not, because df spits out an "input/output error" when it gets in this state.  Then, a couple boot-cycles later, the boot fails with massive "referenced inode deleted" errors from EXT2-fs.
[00:07] <Unit193> multipass: Nope, should just set it as the DM
[00:08] <multipass> ok brb gonna try
[00:08] <WireDreyfuss> I'm pretty sure it's NOT out of space, though.  Becaue I can still create and save new files.
[00:08] <WireDreyfuss> Or, I could up 'till it stopped booting...
[00:09] <Unit193> Hmmmm.... Not used live as an everyday computer before :P
[00:09] <WireDreyfuss> You should try it.  If for no other reason than to see if you can duplicate the GVFS corruption bug.
[00:09] <WireDreyfuss> I've logged it into Launchpad.
[00:09] <WireDreyfuss> It's old.  Originally opened (by someone else) in, like 2008, and never resolved.
[00:10] <WireDreyfuss> Oh, AND Thunar is affected.
[00:10] <WireDreyfuss> When .gvfs in $HOME gets corrupted, Thunar can't "stat" it (permissions report nonsense.  you can see it with `ls -l`)
[00:10] <WireDreyfuss> So, Thunar helpfully displays NO FILES AT ALL in $HOME.
[00:11] <Unit193> Heh, so helpful
[00:11] <WireDreyfuss> When you try to look at mtab to see what GVFS is up to, turns out mtab has the same corruption.
[00:11] <WireDreyfuss> Side effect: Thunar won't display the contents of /etc either.
[00:12] <WireDreyfuss> And another side effect: some new package installations (like whatever the JRE-standard package is) try to check mtab when they install.  These checks fail with "input/output error".
[00:12] <WireDreyfuss> anyway.  the GVFS thing.  Somebody should poke the maintainers of GVFS because it's limiting the usefulness of Live installs.
[00:16] <WireDreyfuss> So, I didn't mean to get off on that rant when I came in here.
[00:17] <WireDreyfuss> I just wanted to say I was kind of disappointed that the Live install (even with its GVFS-limited lifetime...) was so much more useful on the eeePC than the real thing.
[00:18] <WireDreyfuss> If I have to start removing packages to open up space, a.) is there a utility that will display installed packages and the disk space they occupy?  and b.) what are the biggest, least-useful packages that I should start trimming?
[00:19] <Unit193> You could start with a !mini install, I'd think it would work to sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends; sudo apt-get install xubuntu-arkwork   but I don't actually know
[00:19] <Unit193> I would try it in VM (And I suppose I plan to)
[00:21] <WireDreyfuss> alright.  mini.  no-install-recommends and arkwork.  I'll read up.  Thanks.
[00:22] <Unit193> Granted, that's just my thought, don't yet know if it'll work
[00:23] <WireDreyfuss> well, like I say, I'll read up on the options.  And with the USB-based install...it's way less painless to try this stuff than it used to be.
[00:23] <WireDreyfuss> MORE.  More painless.  Less painful.  YOu know what I mean.
[00:23] <Unit193> I read it right the first time actually :P
[00:23] <WireDreyfuss> ha.
[00:28] <WireDreyfuss> damn it.  If the Live installs can't take Kernel updates, somebody should exclude them from being marked when a user hits "Mark All Upgrades" in Synaptic.  At least that explains why it failed...
[00:29] <Unit193> WireDreyfuss: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade   done
[00:30] <Sebastien> Hey, i installed xubuntu on my laptop, (to make a file server out of it) i have 2 small problems. #1 i can't seem to be able to use "su - root"  the password is not valid... but i am able to use sudo.  and #2. how can i see the ip address of the computer (local ip on a home network)
[00:30] <Sebastien> i need the ip for VNC
[00:32] <Unit193> Lan IP: ifconfig  and root is disabled by default for security/safety
[00:33] <Sebastien> hmm, i found the ip i think on my routor's system page. but now. it looks like i can't use it to connect to it via vnc do i need to open a specific port on the dlink for that to work?
[00:36] <Unit193> VNC for fileserver? And are you trying to connect from outside the network? Do you have a VNC server running?
[00:37] <Sebastien> the vnc server is installed on the xubuntu laptop. and the client on this desktop.
[00:38] <Sebastien> http://puu.sh/cVtK
[00:38] <Sebastien> i gutss this is the ip i should use. since its the name i gave the laptop when i installed the os an hour ago.
[00:39] <Sebastien> and when i try it, i get this error: http://puu.sh/cVud  (i hope it helps)
[00:41] <Unit193> What server did you install?
[00:41] <Sebastien> vnc4server and tightvnc
[00:42] <Sebastien> and 2 other packages that the system suggested me to install with them
[00:44] <Sebastien> the thing is. i have 2 laptops here with xubuntu, i am trying to make a file server for a small online storage personal service.  and a vps for a irc server with services. someone told me xubuntu would be the best idea for me.
[00:44] <Sebastien> If you have any suggestions or other programs i should use. i am all ears.
[00:46] <Unit193> Sebastien: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[00:49] <Sebastien> so i pic one in the list, and thats it.
[00:51] <Unit193> Well, there are reasons for whatever one you pick, I have x11vnc since I don't really need it that much
[01:32] <multipass> is there any reason to get 64bit currently? is any of it faster?
[01:32] <multipass> xubuntu 64
[01:33] <Sebastien> why when i try to use "su - root" it does not work. when i put my password it says. "su: authentication failure"
[01:33] <Sebastien> i have to enable root?
[01:37] <multipass> nevermind,forgot about the 4gb maximum lol
[01:50] <multipass> i installed ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, then ran a command to get rid of kubuntu-desktop, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce, i selected to get rid of kdm, then when i rebooted i was unable to get to the login screen. it shows the ubuntu loading screen then goes blackscreen
[01:51] <multipass> so far ive tried to reinstall video drivers, reinstall xubuntu-desktop, reconfigure lightdm
[01:53] <multipass> im probably just going to reformat, but id like to know what happened
[02:19] <flakonet> alguien que hable español
[02:19] <flakonet> hola
[02:20] <flakonet> buenas noches/dias
[02:22] <Sebastien> dydns works for xubuntu 6
[02:22] <Sebastien> dydns works for xubuntu ? **
[02:30] <flakonet> necesito ayuda para instalar restricted-extras
[02:30] <flakonet> alguien puede ayudarme?
[02:31] <flakonet> what is the code for install restricted extras?
[02:32] <flakonet> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras is correct?
[04:04] <nanotube> in 'window manager tweaks' what is "activate focus stealing prevention", exactly? (in the 'focus' tab)
[04:06] <shoenig> a window won't steal focus when it pops up
[04:06] <shoenig> for example, you're typing in a web browser, if the update manager pops up, it won't be on top of the web browser but in the background instead
[04:06] <nanotube> sounds pretty awesome. so you mean if some new crap pops up, while i happen to be typing stuf on say, irc :), i can just keep on typing and the popup will be up front, but won't have focus?
[04:07] <shoenig> right
[04:07]  * nanotube enables \o/
[04:07] <nanotube> this should be a default setting :)
[04:07] <nanotube> what is the "honor standard icccm focus hint" ?
[04:07] <shoenig> it's amazing it's an option at all. and xfce is the only one i've seen with it
[04:07] <shoenig> dunno
[04:07] <nanotube> heh yea i don't recall seeing that in gnome
[04:08] <nanotube> well... i'll make a suggestion to -devel ;)
[04:08] <nanotube> and now... to wait until some stuff pops up, and to laugh at it as it fails to steal focus. muahaha! :D
[04:09] <nanotube> did you know that holding alt and scrolling on title bar changes window opacity? and doing it without alt shades the window up and down? pretty awesome. :)
[04:37] <nanotube> ok, now i know why it isn't default. because when /i/ start a new application, it also goes to the background rather than to the front
[04:37] <nanotube> when focus stealing is default
[05:24] <WireDreyfuss> Hey, Xubuntu people.  Anyone know how to get Apt/apt-get/synaptic to stop trying to install an uninstallable package?
[05:24] <WireDreyfuss> It keeps trying (for 20 minutes at a time) to do this every time I install...any package.
[05:25] <nanotube> hm, have you tried apt-get remove-ing said package?
[05:25] <nanotube> and what is the package
[05:25] <WireDreyfuss> linux-image-3.0.0.14-generic.  I don't want to try removing it...
[05:26] <WireDreyfuss> This happened because I allowed a Live USB version to try installing all available upgrades.
[05:26] <nanotube> well, one question may be.. why is it uninstallable?
[05:26] <WireDreyfuss> Apparently (I was told in this channel earlier) the Live installs can't upgrade their kernels.
[05:27] <WireDreyfuss> so, now.  How do I get the package OUT of apt's pipeline?
[05:28] <WireDreyfuss> I mean, if 3.0.0.14 isn't actually installed, maybe I can remove the package safely.  But I don't know what that might take with it.
[05:29] <WireDreyfuss> thoughts, nanotube?
[05:29] <nanotube> well, it'll ask you to confirm before it does it
[05:29] <nanotube> so if there's anything it takes with it, you'll be able to cancel out
[05:30] <WireDreyfuss> fair enough.  If the current install attempt ever finishes I'll just try it and see what happens.
[05:30] <WireDreyfuss> I kind of love the Live installs because I don't REALLY have to care about breaking them...
[05:32] <nanotube> heh
[05:35] <WireDreyfuss> and "An error occured."  E: linux-image-3.0.0.14-generic: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[05:36] <WireDreyfuss> whatever, if apt has the offending packages marked for removal maybe it'll at least stop trying to install them.
[05:36] <WireDreyfuss> ah, no.  exiting synaptic discards marked changes...
[05:37] <WireDreyfuss> ballocks.
[05:37] <nanotube> hm well, i haven't mucked about with apt internals... but this is a general ubuntu question, so you may have better luck in #ubuntu (more people there)
[05:38] <WireDreyfuss> good point.  Another point is that all the *ubuntu distros might consider un-marking kernel upgrades in their Live variants...
[05:38] <knome> #ubuntu-kernel might have some insight about that
[08:29] <augustl> is there a UI for adding printers in xubuntu, other than the CUPS web interface?
[11:54] <tavasti> augustl, seems to be
[11:55] <tavasti> in menu System->Printing
[12:20] <xubuntu605> hola
[12:31] <augustl> tavasti: ah, thanks. I only looked in settings
[12:55] <jadoe> should i ask questions not directly related to xfce here or in #ubuntu?
[12:57] <knome> jadoe, depends. if you're running xubuntu, this is not the wrong place
[12:57] <knome> for some questions, #ubuntu might just be better
[12:58] <Pici> #ubuntu has more traffic, for better or worse ;)
[12:58] <knome> s/or/and/
[12:58] <knome> :)
[13:14] <DevilDolll> Прива
[13:15] <knome> !ru | DevilDolll
[13:20] <jadoe> ok, that problem solved itself while i was debating where to ask. :)
[15:18] <nikke> Hey i am trying to use the dd_rescue command to make live usb stick but dd command doesnt work
[15:18] <nikke> :O
[15:21] <freedomrun_> does somebody know how to apply this: echo 8 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness on boot?
[15:25] <xubuntu093> ciao
[15:32] <Marzata> ubottu: что это за хуйня?
[15:32] <Marzata> ubottu: эсли на чанель ты не можеш посылат?
[15:36] <Pici> !ru
[15:46] <Marzata> !no
[15:46] <Marzata> !is
[15:47] <jonjonmnamesjon> hey does anyone know where i can find the driver for my BCM4318[AirForceone54g]802.11g wireless LAN?
[15:48] <jonjonmnamesjon> i cant go online as of now would really appreciate any help finding this driver
[15:52] <jonjonmnamesjon> found it
[15:54] <jonjonmnamesjon> hmm wonder if i can run terminal while instaling xubuntu
[16:20] <popsch> how can I see which application tried to unlock the keyring, please? In the popup window it only says 'An application wants access...'
[16:34] <jola> on linux I can see the new ntfs partition I created (http://pastebin.com/ctu4pVes) but not on windows. why?
[16:41] <jonathan_> hi i am having trouble installing the driver for my wireles LAN card
[16:42] <jonathan_> im thinking i need to be logged in as route to run the comand in terminal
[16:43] <jonathan_> root*
[16:43] <jonathan_> i dont know how to do this
[16:43] <jonathan_> hi eric
[16:44] <jonathan_> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[16:44] <jonathan_> im trying to enter this
[16:45] <jonathan_> i get a error
[16:45] <jonathan_>  Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:45] <jonathan_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:46] <jonathan_> this si the error
[16:46] <hobgoblin> you have software center or synaptic or are already using apt-get in a terminal - can only do one at a time
[16:47] <jonathan_> hmm thank ou
[16:47] <jonathan_> this is a brand new install
[16:47] <jonathan_> perhaps itis installing updates
[16:47] <jonathan_> will xubuntu m be slow on a 8gb flash bc it seems to be
[16:48] <hobgoblin> might need to make sure multiverse is enabled - Settings - Software Sources - first tab
[16:48] <hobgoblin> no idea - possibly - and yes if it is installing updates then you will have to wait
[16:51] <jonathan_> i see nothing for multi verse
[16:51] <jonathan_> im pretty sure it is as it should be though
[16:52] <jonathan_> iis lubuntu much more lightweight than xubuntu?
[16:52] <jonathan_> bc as of now xubuntu runs poorly for me
[16:53] <jonathan_> i have a 06 acer 800mhz and 2gb RAM
[16:53] <jonathan_> it is installed on 8gb flash
[16:54] <Unit193> Well, the processor is a bit on the lower side, but the RAM is good
[16:55] <jonathan_> it is running really unstable
[16:55] <jonathan_> i havent updated at all maybe that is why
[16:56] <jonathan_> im wondering if that will make a difference
[16:56] <jonathan_> i had puppy on previously but went to xubuntu bc skype couldnt get to work
[17:19] <mongy> Im using the alternate installer iso to make an external usb drive with full encryption, and at the partitioning screen it displays my current layouts, including internal drive, of which it wants to format my swap partition but I dont really wanna have to go and fix my fstab later.. do I select 'use as - do not use partition' or will that blank my swap partition already existing on internal drive.?
[17:25] <holstein> mongy: just tell the installer what you want to do... no swap, whatever
[17:25] <holstein> tell it where you want grub to go, and /home or whatever else.. it'll "just work"
[17:26] <mongy> I just dont want it touching my existing partitionts, and by default it detects them all and wants to format my swap.  Im gonna give the external its own swap
[17:27] <holstein> mongy: just tell it not to format swap
[17:27] <holstein> or not to use swap
[17:27] <holstein> mongy: dont let "it" push you around ;)
[17:27] <mongy> there is no "dont format it" option  just use as
[17:27] <holstein> mongy: its a checkbox if memory serves...
[17:27] <mongy> this is where I am getting confused as to what it will / wont do
[17:27] <holstein> theres nothing in swap though, so dont lose any slepp over it
[17:28] <mongy> 'alternate iso'
[17:28] <holstein> sleep*
[17:28] <holstein> mongy: sure... you can set flags though... i remember it just being a little more of a search
[17:28] <holstein> bbl...
[17:28] <mongy> if it formats my existing swap it will be a new uuid, which means  Id have to fix it up later for my existing install
[18:26] <ngomes> hello , i have a issue booting kernel 3.0.0-14 witch is installed but cant select it
[18:27] <ngomes> 3.0.0.-12 is always selected
[18:28] <mysteriousdarren> ngomes: what xubuntu?
[18:28] <ngomes> latest
[18:29]  * mysteriousdarren is thinking
[18:29] <ngomes> i press esc on boot , doesnt show Grub menu
[18:29] <Unit193> Left shift on boot
[18:29] <ngomes> i edit /boot/grub/menu.1st no luck
[18:29] <ngomes> hmmm
[18:29] <Unit193> Edit /etc/defaults/grub
[18:29] <ngomes> u sure , Unit193 ?
[18:30] <ngomes> left shift will force menu apperance ?
[18:30] <Unit193> Are you sure you're on "latest" 11.10?
[18:30] <Unit193> /etc/default/grub not /etc/defaults/grub
[18:30] <ngomes> how do i check
[18:30] <ngomes> im pretty sure its the latest but can check
[18:31] <Unit193> lsb_release -r
[18:31] <Unit193> (Terminal command)
[18:31] <ngomes> Release:	11.10
[18:31] <ngomes> yep
[18:31] <ngomes> confirmed
[18:31] <ngomes> ok , gonna try the left shift trick
[18:31] <Unit193> Great
[18:31] <ngomes> brb to let you know it worked
[18:37] <ngomes> Unit193, it worked
[18:37] <ngomes> but i dont have kernel 3.0.0.-14 in the list
[18:37] <ngomes> only -12
[18:37] <ngomes> but its installed ,im pretty sure i saw the kernel update
[18:38] <Unit193> You could run  dpkg -l |grep generic
[18:38] <ngomes> ii  linux-headers-3.0.0-12-generic         3.0.0-12.20                             Linux kernel headers for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[18:38] <ngomes> ii  linux-headers-3.0.0-13-generic         3.0.0-13.22                             Linux kernel headers for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[18:38] <ngomes> ii  linux-headers-3.0.0-14-generic         3.0.0-14.23                             Linux kernel headers for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[18:39] <Unit193> Please use pastebin, and I take it you have "images' too? Not just headers?
[18:39] <ngomes> yes yes
[18:39] <ngomes> im doing normal updates
[18:41] <hobgoblin> try doing a sudo update-grub
[18:41] <ngomes> found 3 kernels
[18:41] <ngomes> ok , gonna reboot to check list
[18:42] <ngomes> right ... ?
[18:43] <hobgoblin> if it updated yes
[18:43] <ngomes> i did
[18:43] <ngomes> just trying to make my dvb-t work
[18:43] <ngomes> trying other kernel
[18:43] <hobgoblin> k  - try reboot then
[18:43] <ngomes> looks like .12 is not working
[18:43] <ngomes> ok thanks
[18:48] <go8765> can i found some fresh .deb for  Instantbird ?
[18:51] <Unit193> go8765: I don't know of any, but I haven't looked like my life depended on it since I don't personally use it
[18:58] <ngomes> hobgoblin, kernel does not appear , tryed to reinstall package , only .12 in the list :o
[18:59] <ngomes> any help trying to boot 3.0.0.-14 ?
[19:00] <hobgoblin> ngomes: do you have more than xubuntu installed?
[19:00] <ngomes> nope
[19:00] <ngomes> only xubuntu
[19:01] <hobgoblin> :) but do you only have one of those installed - this is almost as if there is another grub being shown
[19:02] <ngomes> :s
[19:02] <ngomes> in /bot
[19:02] <ngomes> in /boot/grub/menu.1st there's 3 entrys
[19:02] <ngomes> 12, 13, 14
[19:02] <hobgoblin> yea - I understand that
[19:03] <Unit193> That's not the normal grub for Xubuntu 11.10
[19:03] <ngomes> grub version is 1.99xxxx
[19:03] <ngomes> something like that
[19:03] <hobgoblin> ngomes: is there a /boot.grub/grub.cfg
[19:03] <ngomes> no
[19:04] <ngomes> ops
[19:04] <ngomes> u typed wrong
[19:04] <ngomes> yes there is
[19:04] <hobgoblin> cool
[19:04] <ngomes> hmm
[19:04] <ngomes> only shows .12 entry
[19:05] <ngomes> do i need to add it manually ? :s
[19:05] <Unit193> No, but you did run sudo update-grub?
[19:05] <hobgoblin> can you do this for me - give me the url it shows -    df -h |pastebinit
[19:05] <ngomes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/799704/
[19:06] <hobgoblin> ngomes: sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit
[19:07] <ngomes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/799706/
[19:08] <hobgoblin> do you get windows showing in the grub menu?
[19:08] <ngomes> i dont have windows
[19:08] <ngomes> its only a filesystem
[19:08] <ngomes> NTFS
[19:09] <hobgoblin> you could try reinstalling grub - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11477006&postcount=2
[19:09] <hobgoblin> ok - just checking ngomes :)
[19:09] <hobgoblin> use sda as the drive
[19:10] <hobgoblin> ngomes: the rest of that post is about something else - but the commands to reinstall are the same
[19:10] <ngomes> only 2 commands as i see
[19:10] <ngomes> sudo update-grub
[19:10] <ngomes> this is the 2º
[19:10] <hobgoblin> also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling_GRUB2
[19:10] <ngomes> ok
[19:10] <ngomes> done the 2 commands
[19:10] <ngomes> reboot to check ?
[19:11] <hobgoblin> ngomes: any errors?
[19:11] <ngomes> no error reported
[19:11] <ngomes> Installation finished. No error reported.
[19:11] <hobgoblin> if it still doesn't show you can try the boot repair tool in the help page I just gave you
[19:11] <hobgoblin> try a reboot then
[19:11] <ngomes> ok brb
[19:12]  * hobgoblin was so much happier with grub 1 ... 
[19:15] <ngomes> hobgoblin, no luck :s
[19:15] <hobgoblin> mmm - odd
[19:16] <hobgoblin> ngomes: can you ls /boot - is -14 in there?
[19:17] <ngomes> vmlinuz-3.0.0-14-generic
[19:18] <hobgoblin> ngomes: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg |pastebinit
[19:18] <hobgoblin> then give me a few minutes
[19:19] <ngomes> hobgoblin,  grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
[19:19] <ngomes> i dont have grub 2.0
[19:19] <hobgoblin> aaah
[19:20] <ngomes> why wasnt updated normaly
[19:20] <ngomes> i did nothing but follow updates
[19:20] <hobgoblin> ok - so you do in fact have both grub.cfg and menu.lst
[19:20] <ngomes> yeah
[19:21] <hobgoblin> is this an updated system or did you install grub legacy specifically
[19:22] <ngomes> i isntalled xubuntu from CD
[19:22] <ngomes> then followed sugested updates
[19:22] <ngomes> installed from this version
[19:22] <ngomes> 11.01
[19:22] <ngomes> 11.10
[19:23] <hobgoblin> how odd - anything that is not 'normal' about your machine
[19:23] <ngomes> how to update do grub 2 ?»
[19:24] <hobgoblin> well we can have a look at the menu.lst if you like
[19:24] <Pici> If you upgraded from a prior release, grub does not get upgraded.
[19:24] <ngomes> OK
[19:24] <ngomes> hobgoblin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/799723/
[19:24] <hobgoblin> Pici: that was my thought - but ngomes says it's a install
[19:24] <ngomes> yeah , i have it for like 3 months only
[19:24] <ngomes> its the latest
[19:25] <hobgoblin> ngomes: that's not a menu.lst
[19:26] <ngomes> ops,  i've copy pasted your line
[19:26] <ngomes> ok
[19:26] <ngomes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/799727/
[19:26] <ngomes> hobgoblin, ^
[19:27] <hobgoblin> mmm
[19:28] <multipass> anyone use nautilus as their file manager?
[19:28] <ngomes> i have nautilus
[19:28] <hobgoblin> ngomes: looks to me like you are getting grub2 show on boot not menu.lst
[19:28] <multipass> any issues with xfce? or all good
[19:28] <ngomes> good here
[19:28] <ngomes> its slower than thunar
[19:29] <ngomes> but ok
[19:29] <Unit193> multipass: It tends to take over the desktop
[19:29] <hobgoblin> I always had issues with it trying to run the desktop
[19:29] <multipass> ive heard that Unit193, so not sure about that part lol
[19:29] <ngomes> hobgoblin, ngomes@HomeComputer:~$ grub --version
[19:29] <ngomes> grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
[19:29] <ngomes> how can i have grub2 ?
[19:30] <hobgoblin> yep - see that - if you look at the menu.lst there is also the chainload grub2 entry
[19:30] <ngomes> so
[19:30] <ngomes> what to do
[19:30] <ngomes> update do grub2 ?
[19:30] <hobgoblin> thinking
[19:31] <ngomes> what package is
[19:31] <ngomes> ngomes@HomeComputer:~$ grub --version
[19:31] <ngomes> grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
[19:31] <ngomes> ops
[19:31] <ngomes> p   grub-common                                                                            - GRand Unified Bootloader (common files)
[19:31] <ngomes> p   grub-coreboot                                                                          - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Coreboot version)
[19:31] <hobgoblin> ngomes: dpkg -l |grep grub |pastebinit
[19:31] <ngomes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/799740/
[19:34] <hobgoblin> ngomes: not at all sure what you have got going on there - it appears to have been an updated system rather than a clean install
[19:34] <ngomes> lol ...
[19:34] <ngomes> i did some updates
[19:34] <ngomes> i did them all
[19:35] <ngomes> when asked to do
[19:35] <ngomes> anyway
[19:35] <ngomes> what about it
[19:35] <ngomes> how to solve
[19:35] <hobgoblin> no - I mean an upgrade from an older system - if it was a clean install of 11.10 it shouldn't have installed grub legacy
[19:35] <ngomes> it should have a way somehow
[19:36] <hobgoblin> you could try resinstalling grub-pc in synaptic
[19:36] <Unit193> dpkg -L grub-pc-bin |pastebinit
[19:36] <hobgoblin> Unit193: it's installed
[19:36] <Unit193> Yep, that lists files
[19:37] <ngomes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/799749/
[19:37] <hobgoblin> sorry - not reading properly Unit193
[19:37] <hobgoblin> brb
[19:38] <ngomes> grub i386 ? mine is x86
[19:38] <ngomes> grub i386 ? mine is x86-64
[19:45] <joe_> Help
[19:46] <joe_> hello
[19:47] <hobgoblin> joe_: just ask - if someone can help they will
[19:49] <joe_> I have a old pc that I installed xbuntu on and it seems that it's always writing to HDD instead of using RAM any ideas
[19:51] <Unit193> How much RAM do you have?
[19:52] <Unit193> In terminal type  free -m
[19:52] <joe_> I believe it's 512mb
[19:55] <joe_> joe@joe-desktop:~$ free -m
[19:55] <joe_>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[19:55] <joe_> Mem:           242        235          7          0          5         45
[19:55] <joe_> -/+ buffers/cache:        183         58
[19:55] <joe_> Swap:          505        108        397
[19:55] <joe_> joe@joe-desktop:~$
[19:56] <hobgoblin> that'll be why then - very little RAM
[19:57] <joe_> I thought the this OS would work well on limited resources
[19:57] <hobgoblin> well it would be ok with 512Mb - but you have a lot less than that - you might be better of with lubuntu
[19:58] <knome> !pastebin | joe_
[19:58] <knome> :)
[19:58] <w30> joe_, basically; yes but you can do better with choosing apps like abiword over libreoffice.
[19:58] <joe_> See I think that possibly one stick of ram might have just went bad
[19:59] <hobgoblin> joe_: try the memtest option in the boot menu
[20:01] <w30> If you want someone to choose low resource hungry apps for you, install Lubuntu. However I don't think your choice of xubuntu is your problem with your computer. It did run windows ok and it is more resourse hungry than xubuntu.resource
[20:02] <joe_> This is a real light weight distro it has abiword not libreoffice I was just trying to figure out if somthing could be highjacking my RAM or just something not being set up properly
[20:03] <hobgoblin> if you have a dodgy stick of ram then that could be the cause of only half showing in free
[20:03] <joe_> it ran windows xp really well aside from the normal windows issues
[20:05] <larstr> I'm running compiz and I choose "smarter hw detection" or something similar.. My screen turned blue and now I'm in text mode... where do I start looking?
[20:06] <larstr> in compiz settings manager
[20:07] <hobgoblin> joe_: that is as maybe - but that is something completely different - also it is 10 years older than a new version of xubuntu ;)
[20:08] <hobgoblin> the long and the short of it is that xubuntu is likely to be slow if you only have ~200 Mb Ram
[20:08] <larstr> Im on 11.10 with emerald etc
[20:09] <hobgoblin> larstr: hang around and if someone can help they wil, afraid I can't though - not used compiz for a long time
[20:09] <joe_> this MB requires 2 sticks equally sized and if one is not working could it be hanging up the other
[20:10] <larstr> hobgoblin: ok.. I'll be searhing a bit with lynx then I guess
[20:10] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:10]  * w30 has had memory sticks balk in Linux but get no complaints with windows
[20:10]  * hobgoblin has too 
[20:13] <w30> I haven't seen that option. Is that a ccsm choice?
[20:16] <larstr> the offending compiz plugin is called "workaround options"
[20:21] <w30> larstr, well, you can edit the text file that contains the config for ccsm and use a text editor to change yes to no or shut off compiz and edit ccsm from the 2d gui.
[20:22] <larstr> w30: I'll see if I can find that file
[20:22] <larstr> w30: yes, it was a setting in ccsm
[20:26] <larstr> googling with lynx is not as fun as it used to be
[20:26] <w30> larstr, I found one in /usr/share/compizconfig
[20:27] <larstr> w30: thx! I'll have a look
[20:28] <w30> larstr, also see if you have a .config or such hidden folder or config in your home directory
[20:28] <larstr> w30: well.. none of those files in there has changed today
[20:29] <Kingsy> can someone tell me why Ctrl+F5 doesnt work in xubuntu on FF ?
[20:29] <Kingsy> has the CTRL key been reserved or something
[20:30] <larstr> w30: looks promising. ~/.config/compiz-1/compizconfig/Default.ini
[20:30] <w30> larstr, I recommend you export a working ccsm profile to your home directory and the set you default profile in ccsm to use that one. Easier to keep track of :=)
[20:31] <w30> larstr, make a new profile called myprofile or sum such
[20:31] <larstr> w30: hmm.. I do remember exporting a config not so long ago. To my home dir.
[20:31] <larstr> w30: because I had to change a couple of things not available in ccsm
[20:32] <w30> ccsm can be set to use the profile of your choice once you get a gui to it.
[20:33] <w30> but, alas the cart has to go before the horse with computers
[20:42] <larstr> I've found where the plugin loads in default.ini and I've removed it.. Now, how do I get compiz to reload the config? tried compiz --replace etc, but it can't open display
[20:46] <larstr> I may be a coward, but a reboot did the trick
[20:54] <w30> larstr, you could try the "compiz  ccp --replace  &" line
[20:55] <larstr> w30: I did
[20:55] <larstr> w30: but from ctrl+alt+f1 text mode it could not open screen
[20:56] <w30> larstr, yeah you have to direct the command to the right display or it choses the display you are on
[20:57] <w30> larstr, it ususally says a display is already running
[20:58] <larstr> well, I rebooted instead and now I'm happy again :)
[21:00] <w30> larstr, ha, discretion is the better part of valor some times
[21:01] <w30> larstr, don't check that again.....
[21:03] <larstr> true :)
[22:31] <nanotube> what does the 'ccp' part do?
[22:34] <Kingsy> can someone tell me why Ctrl+F5 doesnt work in xubuntu on FF ?
[22:35] <TheSheep> try ctrl+r
[22:37] <Kingsy> eh? that works.. but wtf? its ALWAYS been CTRL+F5
[22:38] <Kingsy> does ctrl+r even do the same thing?
[23:03] <nanotube> Kingsy: by default ctl-Fx is the shortcut to switch to that-numbered workspace
[23:03] <nanotube> you can edit the shortcuts in the settings to take that out if you wish
[23:03] <nanotube> then it'll be passed through to firefox
[23:15] <Kingsy> nanotube: ahh right I see..
[23:15] <Kingsy> thansk
[23:16] <nanotube> np :)
[23:19] <Crash_O-D> im trying to install video drivers and get jockey log http://paste.ubuntu.com/799978/
[23:34] <Crash_O-D> im trying to install video drivers ati/amd fglrx and get check jockey log http://paste.ubuntu.com/799978/ how do i fix this?
[23:47] <Kingsy> exit