[00:13] <Daekdroom> What focus problem?
[00:14] <snadge> *facepalm*
[00:14] <snadge> *epic dual picard facepalm*
[00:15] <snadge> in firefox.. for whatever reason, sometimes the autocomplete stuff doesnt come up
[00:15] <snadge> unless you click the title.. then click back into the location bar
[00:15] <Daekdroom> Ah. I thought of something else.
[00:15] <Daekdroom> But yes, I noticed that too
[00:15] <snadge> sometimes the problem manifests in other ways.. which i forget at this point in time
[00:16] <snadge> but it often results in having to refocus the already focussed window for either text input.. or effects which require focus to work
[00:16] <snadge> the firefox description is probably the easiest to describe and relate to
[00:16] <snadge> i dont think the problem is purely restricted to firefox however.. and its extremely difficult to reproduce
[00:17] <snadge> yet manages to happen irritatingly frequently
[00:22] <snadge> im not familiar enough with how X, firefox and compiz with the unity plugin works.. to even begin to investigate this problem
[00:22] <snadge> i was hoping one of the primary devs could spend a small amount of time investigating this
[00:52] <mhall119> snadge: bzr branch lp:unity, make it suck less, bzr commit, bzr push, done
[00:52] <mhall119> though if it's a focus issue, it's more likely to be compiz than unity
[00:52] <snadge> i can code .. but im seriously out of my depth with regards to investigating this one particular issue
[00:53] <snadge> im assuming firefox has some code in it.. to tell whether it has focus or not
[00:53] <mhall119> snadge: you assume that a primary dev hasn't already spent a considerable amount of time trying to isolate this problem
[00:53] <snadge> what i dont understand is how typing will put text into the location bar.. the window appears to have focus visually
[00:53] <snadge> but it wont autocomplete the history as you're typing
[00:54] <mhall119> but what you type appears in the location bar?
[00:54] <snadge> correct
[00:54] <mhall119> then it's not a focus issue
[00:54] <mhall119> obviously firefox has keyboard focus
[00:54] <snadge> well it is.. because if you click the title bar
[00:54] <snadge> then click back into the location bar.. then the history autocompletes as you would expect
[00:54] <mhall119> if firefox has keyboard focus, it's not a focus issue, it's gotta be something else
[00:55] <snadge> obviously doing that shouldn't do anything at all
[00:55] <snadge> if the focus is already on the window, and text is going into the location bar.. then the autocomplete function should work as expected
[00:55] <snadge> the key to understanding this problem.. is to figure out why refocussing the window "fixes" it
[00:57] <snadge> and i guess knowing where to look would also help
[00:57] <snadge> and how things work would also help
[01:03] <mhall119> sounds like a firefox bug then
[01:03] <mhall119> once X sends the keyboard inputs to the app, it's up to the app what it does with them
[01:04] <mhall119> if you file a bug in launchpad describing exactly what's happening, someone will send it to the right place
[01:06] <snadge> yeah except.. i only see the problem if im running unity
[01:06] <snadge> if i use something else.. it works fine
[01:06] <snadge> so its probably compiz related
[01:07] <snadge> and if you report it to the compiz guys.. they'll most likely say.. its a problem with the unity plugin
[01:07] <snadge> which has nothing to do with us
[01:07] <snadge> i know how the free software blame game works
[01:07] <snadge> thats why i can't really report it as a problem.. until i know a lot more about where the problem is
[01:08] <mgedmin> "you cannot solve a problem until you know the answer"
[01:08] <mgedmin> forgot who said that
[01:08] <gypd> Help I've lost the launcher and the icons at the top right of screen,i.e- the button for system settings plus shutting down or logging out
[01:09] <snadge> i think im unwelcome in the compiz channel anyway.. last time i was in there.. i hurled abuse at them
[01:12] <mgedmin> yeah, not the best strategy to get other people to fix bugs for you ;-)
[01:12]  * mgedmin shifts around guiltily
[01:14] <snadge> theres one guy in there who has an attitude though ;)
[01:14] <snadge> and its not like the first time i was in there.. it was building up to that
[01:14] <snadge> lets just say.. i can understand why gnome doesnt use compiz anymore
[01:15] <snadge> and its a shame that unity is stuck with it ;)
[01:15] <snadge> if gnome-shell was more like unity... i'd use it.. honestly
[01:16] <snadge> i cant stand the dorky huge window titles.. the ugly ass application bar.. and the stupid workspace switcher
[01:18] <mhall119> unity isn't stuck with it, Unity2d doesn't use compiz
[01:20] <snadge> thats a point.. i dont think unity2d has the issue either
[01:20] <snadge> i use that at home
[01:20] <snadge> so that really narrows the problem down to either compiz.. or the unity plugin
[01:29] <snadge> excellent its doing it now
[01:29] <snadge> but typing in this window.. then switching back to the browser.. fixes it
[07:22] <smspillaz> snadge: firefox uses XSetInputFocus directly which is broken
[07:22] <snadge> i see
[07:22] <smspillaz> snadge: I can try and look into it a bit later (quite busy this week), but I can't really reproduce the problem because its a race condition
[07:23] <snadge> right.. it only ever happens when you're not trying to make it happen
[07:23] <snadge> if you go to demonstrate the problem.. it doesnt happen
[07:23] <snadge> but then after you give up in frustration.. it happens 10 times in a row
[07:24] <snadge> i wonder if having multiple displays exacerbates the problem
[07:24] <smspillaz> I think this one http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/commit/?h=compiz-0.8&id=33f695e7c6e4fb8ac627df0978fea7771fe1b3d5 is supposed to fix it but it doesn't really work with 0.9 because of reparenting and such
[07:24] <snadge> also i havn't verified that it doesnt happen with unity-2d
[07:24] <snadge> but i suspect it doesnt.. i cant say that with any high degree of certainty
[07:25] <smspillaz> it probably doesn't
[07:25] <snadge> i dont ever remember being annoyed by that problem when using unity2d
[07:25] <snadge> so this patch wont apply to the ubuntu source ?
[07:26] <snadge> i'm half tempted to download the source package.. and add that diff if its possible
[07:27] <snadge> re-read what you just said.. its a 0.8 patch
[07:27] <snadge> hmm
[07:29] <smspillaz> indeed
[07:29] <smspillaz> that being said, if you can give me fairly exact steps to reproduce this problem, I might have time to squeeze that in today
[07:32] <snadge> thats what i've been trying to do
[07:32] <snadge> ok just did it then
[07:32] <smspillaz> can you verify the exact steps ?
[07:32] <snadge> typing in irc.. switch to a different desktop (which has firefox) and then attains focus
[07:32] <smspillaz> which windows etc etc
[07:32] <snadge> ctrl-t opens a new tab.. then typing in the location bar.. doesnt autocomplete
[07:32] <smspillaz> put it on the bug report, link me to it
[07:33] <snadge> ok so a bug report against which package?
[07:33] <snadge> so then i switch back.. and its working now :/
[07:34] <snadge> just tried it 5 times in a row and it worked each time
[07:34] <smspillaz> compiz-core
[07:35] <snadge> cant reproduce it at all now.. let alone reliably
[07:40] <snadge> actually.. i've just closed a bunch of open apps
[07:41] <snadge> perhaps some app is causing
[07:41] <snadge> i'll keep trying to reliably reproduce the problem.. and if i figure it out.. i'll post a bug
[07:41] <snadge> thats pretty much the only reason i havn't posted a bug already
[09:38] <mick0> Is it possible to use a recepie to create a test package that does not go out as an update?
[09:51] <mick0> davidcalle: Ping me when you're here and have time :)
[11:10] <davidcalle> mpt, about our previous discussion, I just had a confirmation from Stephane Graber that packages in .extras can't depend on packages in .extras.
[11:11] <mpt> davidcalle, so what do we need to do to fix that?
[11:15] <davidcalle> mpt, talking about it with Stephane.
[11:15] <davidcalle> (I am)
[11:18] <mpt> great, thanks
[13:51] <jack_thompson> http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/373539673#373541381
[13:51] <jack_thompson> it has been established
[13:51] <jack_thompson> :D
[13:54] <mick0> aww man. Is the 4chan link good? Im banned :( And very curious
[15:01] <mhall119> davidcalle: mpt: I thought we had an exception for lenses and scopes
[15:03] <mpt> mhall119, maybe so (if so, where is it documented?), but there shouldn't need to be.
[15:05] <mhall119> shouldn't need to be an exception, or shouldn't need to be inter-dependent?
[16:37] <mgedmin> I don't know how but I keep opening the dash by accident
[16:37] <mgedmin> (well, I know how -- my fat thumb hits the Super key)
[16:38] <mgedmin> wish it was faster in appearing and _especially_ disappearing when I hit esc
[17:41] <BerndSch> davidcalle: do you know where I can find information/documentation for the new libunity API (unity 5)? And what are the steps to move to the new api? Do we need a different package for 11.10 and 12.04?
[17:44] <davidcalle> BerndSch, it's not existing, but I'm annoying libunity's dev: mhr3,  to have it :)
[17:45] <davidcalle> BerndSch, and yes, lenses for Precises will need to be different from 11.10.
[17:57] <BerndSch> davidcalle: ok, thanks for the answer :-) I just only have the problem that I couldn't test the 12.04 version until my x-server bug will be fixed :-(
[17:59] <davidcalle> BerndSch, yeah I know =/
[18:00] <mhr3> BerndSch, davidcalle, i'll try to get someone to at least push unity-5.0 api list on developer.ubuntu.com
[18:01] <mhr3> asap
[18:01] <davidcalle> mhr3, don't worry, enjoy Budapest :)
[18:59] <mhall119> mhr3: who do you need to do that?
[19:00] <mhr3> mhall119, i was told david should be able to handle it
[19:00] <mhall119> ok, I'll try and touch base with him on that tomorrow
[19:01] <mhr3> mhall119, planella, not barth
[19:02] <mhr3> just to avoid misunderstanding...
[19:03] <mhall119> yup