[00:28] <dscassel> half hour till the meeting.
[00:30] <epod> I wish I could have the cool gnome3 corner window switchy thing on 11.10
[00:30] <epod> I quite liked that.
[00:36] <dscassel> You mean in Gnome Shell?
[00:36] <epod> yeah
[00:37] <epod> I was messing around with mint, and I could move the mouse to the upper left corner and it'd zoom to show all my windows, and I could click one, isntead of alt-tabbing
[00:37] <epod> back on oneirc, but I liked that feature and wish it was there
[00:41] <dscassel> I think you can still do that if you set it up on compiz config.
[00:43] <BobJonkman> Happy: My lovely wife had dinner ready for me when I came home.  Sad: Will be missing Kwartzlab's Laser Cutter unveiling tonight...
[00:44] <dscassel> BobJonkman: :(
[00:45] <dscassel> I may have to duck in and out of the meeting to do party stuff.
[00:45] <dscassel> If I was thinknig ahead, I probably should've rescheduled.
[01:00] <dscassel> Meeting time!
[01:02] <dscassel> Roll call! DarwinSurvivor jaguar kenjy mars starcraftman BluesKaj DarwinSurvivor jaguar khoover MylesBraithwaite StepNjump BobJonkman Jeruvy KombuchaKip pangolin txwikinger2 bregma johanbr epod Kulag ryanakca cyphermox FiReSTaRT Kamondelious sipherdee willwh
[01:02] <dscassel> ubuntu-ca meeting!
[01:03] <dscassel> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-01-10
[01:03] <dscassel> Introductions: Who are you, where are you and what do you do on/for/with ubuntu?
[01:04] <dscassel> I'm Darcy in Waterloo, ON and I'm co-contact for the Ubuntu Canada LoCo. Also, chairing this meeting. :)
[01:04]  * epod waves
[01:05] <epod> I'm not sure if I am supposed to reply, but I'm Damien, I'm in Winnipeg, and I'm just a humble user :)
[01:08] <BobJonkman> Hi all.  Bob Jonkman from Elmira, just north of Waterloo
[01:08] <khoover> I'm Ken, from Markham, ON. Just a user, like epod, but planning to get more active when I have time. I'm also writing a precis due tomorrow, soooooo....
[01:08] <dscassel> Hi, Damian, and absolutely you should reply. Welcome. :)
[01:08] <dscassel> Hi Ken. :)
[01:09] <dscassel> khoover: What were you thinking about doing?
[01:09] <FiReSTaRT> hey Darcy.. i can finally attend lol name's Ilija, located in Toronto
[01:09] <FiReSTaRT> in the interest of full disclosure, running Mint 12 w/xfce :P
[01:09] <dscassel> Hi Ilija! Welcome back. :)
[01:09] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: We forgive you. :)
[01:09] <khoover> dscassel, *shrug* probably muck around with the code behind it.
[01:10] <dscassel> khoover: That's cool.  I wish there were more resources around I could point you at...
[01:10] <DarwinSurvivor> I'm Doug from Surrey, BC. I run freebsd, arch and ubuntu. (also on the brainstorm team)
[01:12] <dscassel> Awesome, hi Doug. :)
[01:13] <FiReSTaRT> ran arch for a little while.. liked it but wanted something more stable for regular use system.. these days i try to minimize my hacks :P
[01:14] <BobJonkman> Lots of folks here today...
[01:15] <khoover> anyone see genjii recently? need coffee
[01:15] <BobJonkman> It's possible dscassel is a little preoccupied.  He's at Kwartzlab, where they're having the public unveiling of the new Laser Cutter
[01:15] <FiReSTaRT> my wife hijacked the living room so i'm stuck here and amazingly got free time
[01:15] <BobJonkman> Haven't seen genii_around for over a week
[01:16] <khoover> BobJonkman, just when pizza cutting gets to its pinnacle, a new one is found. and bummer, guess the polar bears got him.
[01:16] <epod> I'm not doing anything but mashing 'Update' on my Transformer every 30 mins or so to see if ICS is out yet :P
[01:16] <dscassel> Thanks, Bob, yeah...  Occasionally distracted.
[01:18] <FiReSTaRT> i've had my fill of updates.. ran them on my virtual machine until 3am last night (along with trying to get over some funky deps for the 32bit nxclient and ending up running Remmina)
[01:18] <BobJonkman>  So there's the agenda item of "Upcoming Events"
[01:18]  * txwikinger2 is here now
[01:18] <FiReSTaRT> hey tx ltnt
[01:19] <BobJonkman> We've got an Ubuntu Hour coming up in Waterloo next Wednesday.  New venue, the Duke of Wellington.  Slightly more interesting beverages than the coffee shop we've been going to.
[01:20] <dscassel> Yup!
[01:20] <dscassel> I'll be there!
[01:20] <BobJonkman> I think I recall some talk on the forums or mailing list about someone setting up something in Northern Ontario, like Sudbury
[01:21] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu Hours are the way to go for starting a community of enthusiasts.
[01:22] <FiReSTaRT> sudbury is a good place especially since it's got laurentian, so i'm sure there would be a few ubuntu users down there
[01:22] <BobJonkman> Practically no effort required, just make an announcement on the list, the IRC, the forums, post it on the LoCo Events list (if you don't have access you can sign up at Launchpad.net, or I can enter it for you)
[01:22] <BobJonkman> Wouldn'
[01:22] <BobJonkman> Wouldn't hurt to put some traditional paper media up on bulletin boards or sign posts
[01:23] <BobJonkman> But I don't think we've done that for either Kitchener or Waterloo Ubuntu Hours
[01:24] <FiReSTaRT> speaking of LU just contact the lab staff and i'm sure they'll be glad to post up a couple of sheets around the labs
[01:24] <BobJonkman> People have been known to travel for an hour to get to Ubuntu Hours.  Met a fellow from London at last Friday's Kitchener Ubuntu Hour. (Hi mars !)
[01:25] <dscassel> And genni_around came in December. :)
[01:25] <khoover> there any hours in toronto?
[01:25] <dscassel> er, genii, of course.
[01:25] <dscassel> khoover: There will be when you start one! :D
[01:26] <dscassel> There's interest.  And there's a great venue in Linuxcaffe,
[01:26] <dscassel> But nobody's run one (except BobJonkman for a one-off, of course. :)
[01:27] <dscassel> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour for details.
[01:27] <BobJonkman> #linuxcaffe is a channel on this IRC network.  Pop over and say Hi!
[01:27] <khoover> dscassel, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe when I'm not doing a) precis b) job apps c) work or d) scholarship apps. XP
[01:27] <dscassel> Okay! :D
[01:28] <BobJonkman> If someone holds an Ubuntu Hour in Toronto (Linuxcaffe or elsewhere) I'll come over.  Just give me a week notice or so
[01:28] <dscassel> It's pretty easy once it gets going. If you get a few regulars, it starts running itself.
[01:28] <BobJonkman> I have a small stack of Ubuntu CDs remaining that I'll bring along for giveaways
[01:29] <dscassel> (Or really, great people like BobJonkman step up to help out. :)
[01:30] <khoover> BobJonkman, natty or oneiric?
[01:30] <BobJonkman> I'm such a social gadfly
[01:30] <BobJonkman> Mostly Oneiric.  May be one or two Nattys left; let me check
[01:31] <epod> On a completely unrelated subject, if anyone gets REALLY bored, I'm trying to find a sub $500 laptop that would be best for running ubuntu that I can buy at Best Buy, Futureshop, or Memory Express.
[01:32] <BobJonkman> All the disks I have are Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot.  5 Gnomes, 2 Kubuntus, 3 servers
[01:32]  * dscassel is helping run this party, if he seems to be somewhat inattentive: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rIhJwjBtvrQOg19qzIEx6Y7AR5MPWpLYZXG9zj4Llzc?feat=directlink
[01:33] <khoover> dscassel, was that a girl? O_O
[01:33] <khoover> TWO?!
[01:34] <dscassel> More than two!
[01:34]  * dscassel didn't count. That would be rude.
[01:35] <dscassel> Also, both of those women will happily kick your ass if it comes to that. :)
[01:35]  * epod facepalms
[01:35] <BobJonkman> While I wouldn't suggest going to a makerspace to pick up chix, it's a great way to meet people with similar interests.  Some of whom are oppositely gendered
[01:36] <khoover> :O wooooooooah. and what's this about lasers? any buttons that may be large in size, or of a reddish hue?
[01:36] <dscassel> khoover: Absolute. A big, shiny red button.
[01:36] <khoover> dscassel: :P
[01:37]  * BobJonkman segues elegantly by mentioning that the KW Ubuntu Global Jam will be held in the same room as the Laser Cutter not pictured in the URL above
[01:37] <dscassel> Thanks, Bob. :)
[01:38] <dscassel> I'll book Kwartzlab at the board meetign on monday.
[01:38] <BobJonkman> Is it official?  Can I post the UGJ on the Watcamp calendar?  http://watcamp.com/calendar
[01:38] <BobJonkman> Ah.
[01:38] <BobJonkman> Lag on the tubes
[01:38] <dscassel> In a related topic, the release party may conflict with Ludum Dare, in which Kwartzlab may want to participate.
[01:38] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yeah, it's official enough. Go ahead. :)
[01:39] <dscassel> http://ludumdare.com/
[01:39] <dscassel> I kinda want to try doing an Ubuntu game.
[01:39] <dscassel> We may either move the release party to Thursday or run the two events in parallel.
[01:40] <dscassel> Or move the release party somewhere else.
[01:40] <dscassel> Or something.
[01:40] <dscassel> Or there's no conflict and it doesn't matter.
[01:40] <FiReSTaRT> interesting for those with artistic talent and/or coding ability
[01:40] <dscassel> Stay tuned!
[01:40]  * FiReSTaRT puts popcorn in the nuke
[01:41] <BobJonkman> Ludum Dare doesn't sound like a conflict with an Ubuntu Release Party.  Game Developers eat deviled eggs too, you know.
[01:42] <dscassel> heh. :)
[01:42] <dscassel> I just worry we'd be distracting.
[01:42] <BobJonkman> So you're saying there's a Release Party to put on the schedule too?
[01:44] <dscassel> I'm saying the date for the release party is currently up in the air.
[01:44] <dscassel> But April's still a way's out yet.
[01:44] <BobJonkman> OK.
[01:45] <BobJonkman> Anyone else interested in holding an Ubuntu Global Jam in their area?
[01:45] <dscassel> You should!
[01:45] <BobJonkman> Almost as easy an an Ubuntu Hour.
[01:45] <BobJonkman> Sit around, install the latest pre-release code, report bugs
[01:45] <dscassel> Well, that's kind of a lie. Finding a venue can get a bit tricky.
[01:46] <dscassel> But if you have contacts at a college or university, it gets easier. I might be able to put you in contact with your local hackerspace if you have one too. :)
[01:46] <BobJonkman> I think almost any place that has Internet connectivity would do the trick.
[01:46] <BobJonkman> Perhaps a local library
[01:47] <dscassel> If you don't have too many people, a wifi enabled coffee shop can work.  Probably best to ask permission, though.
[01:47] <khoover> or just tell everyone to pause the .torrents
[01:48] <BobJonkman> There's some coffee shops that offer wired connectivity. Faster bug reporting :D  Queen Street Commons Cafe in Kitchener; Linuxcaffe in Toronto
[01:49] <dscassel> I download the beta for all platforms ahead of time...
[01:50] <BobJonkman> I can bring a hub/switch, and set my laptop up as a server, tethered to my infinite data plan cellphone
[01:50] <BobJonkman> So all kinds of options
[01:52] <dscassel> Yup.
[01:55] <FiReSTaRT> slightly o/t, random support question.. if you have multiple wired adapters, can you force a connection to use a specific one using network-manager?
[01:55] <BobJonkman> There's the routing table
[01:56] <BobJonkman> I think that's accessible through network-manager
[01:56]  * BobJonkman looks
[01:57] <BobJonkman> Yup!  There's a "Routes" button on the "Edit Auto eth0" window in the IP4 tab
[01:57] <dscassel> That's all I got, and it's 9.
[01:58] <BobJonkman> Big day at Kwartzlab.  Go have fun.
[01:58] <dscassel> Any questions? Concerns? IDeas to make the LoCo more useful to you?
[01:58] <FiReSTaRT> thanks bob :)
[01:58] <dscassel> (keeping in mind if you suggest work for people, you're also volunteering. :)
[01:59] <bregma> anyone excited by the Ubuntu TV announcement at CES this week?
[01:59] <BobJonkman> Apparently UbuntuTV is downloadable
[01:59] <BobJonkman> Competitor to MythTV or XBMC ?
[01:59] <FiReSTaRT> reading up right now
[01:59] <dscassel> It looks pretty hot. I showed the video off during my Unity demo at KWLUG last night.
[02:00] <BobJonkman> (meaning, "Yes, bregma, I'm plenty excited!")
[02:00] <FiReSTaRT> if they're trying for that, why does mark try to reinvent the wheel all the time?
[02:00] <dscassel> I don't watch a lot of TV, though.
[02:00] <bregma> TVs are the next phones
[02:01] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: Because existing projects have their own ideas of wher ethey want their prject to go and have no interest in selling to OEMs.
[02:01] <bregma> phones have Android...
[02:01] <bregma> and iOS
[02:01] <dscassel> Mind you, it's all free software, so ideas can be shared.
[02:01] <BobJonkman> And equipment manufacturers may want to be independent of content providers
[02:02] <BobJonkman> Apparently the recently revived GoogleTV is Android
[02:02] <bregma> and equipment manufacturers want to be independent of Google
[02:03] <FiReSTaRT> i don't see distros lining up to run unity lol
[02:04] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: But Gnome Shell ended up looking quite a bit more like Unity than it did in 2009.
[02:04] <bregma> distros don't have to run it, as long as OEMs do
[02:05] <FiReSTaRT> gnome shell also got a huge dev community writing instructions to bring it back to gnome 2.x functionality... but they did it with gnome as opposed to trying to do the same with unity :P
[02:06] <bregma> gnome 2 is just WinXP as far as I can tell, and that has never worked on non-PC computers
[02:06] <FiReSTaRT> even though i like the focus on consumer devices.. at least he's keeping up with the trends
[02:06] <FiReSTaRT> yeah but tablet de's don't exactly work on real computers either :P
[02:07] <bregma> I worked at Xandros when we brought out the Eee PC, I'm familiar with that story
[02:07]  * epod blames bregma for his OG EeePC having a subpar OS
[02:08] <FiReSTaRT> didn't xandros sign a licensing deal with m$?
[02:08] <bregma> hey, the OS was fine, it was the user shell that was sub-par
[02:10] <bregma> the biggest complaint was basically "hey, this doesn't work like Windows XP!"
[02:10] <bregma> but this is getting OT
[02:11] <FiReSTaRT> http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/i-want-my-ubuntu-tv/ <-- real ubuntu fanboi (natty the "fastest-adopted version" lol), but i agree that unity is good for 10' displays and other embedded applications
[02:12] <FiReSTaRT> and that mark is making a smart move in that direction
[02:12] <FiReSTaRT> should even help him sell the unity desktop to the general public
[02:12] <BobJonkman> One last meeting item:  The second Tuesday of February is the 14th.  Is Valentine's Day OK to hold a meeting?  Or will all Ubuntoids be out wooing their partners of choice?
[02:14] <FiReSTaRT> i might be forced to do something for vd
[02:14] <dscassel> Um, no, not really.  I'd prefer to move it.
[02:14] <bregma> does the phrase "vd" no longer have the same meaning it did when I was young?
[02:15] <FiReSTaRT> i find them equally distasteful :D
[02:16] <epod> vd = veneral disease
[02:16] <DarwinSurvivor> well, you could potential get vd on vd
[02:19] <FiReSTaRT> that would get me in some hot water with the mrs :P
[02:21] <BobJonkman> Still on a Tuesday?  THe 21st then?  Or later in the week, say Wednesday or Friday? (Thursday is too busy with other computer events here in KW)
[02:25] <dscassel> Tues works. It's good to be out at Kwartzlab, even though it's distracting sometimes.
[02:25] <dscassel> Let's do the 21st.
[02:25] <BobJonkman> OK, the 21st it is
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[02:26] <BobJonkman> That's better
[02:42] <dscassel> Thanks, Bob!
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