[00:00] #startmeeting [00:00] Meeting started Wed Jan 11 00:00:51 2012 UTC. The chair is benonsoftware. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [00:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [00:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings [00:01] o/ [00:01] Raise your hands with o/ if your here :P [00:01] o/ [00:01] 0/ [00:02] \o [00:02] o7 [00:02] Anyone else around? [00:02] Unit193; ? [00:04] 3 members/active people isn't a very good way to meet [00:04] Yeah [00:04] All meetings are good... [00:04] if you don't hold meetings... then more people can not join [00:04] stlsaint has the first topic and he isn't in here [00:04] lets keep ourselves focused on the positive and move this forward [00:04] Alright, let's get this meeting started. [00:05] I've got a date with my bed and I'm late [00:05] Shall we move to the 2nd topic [00:05] lets go to the next topic and then see if stl shows up [00:05] [TOPIC] Team Reports - benonsoftware === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Team Reports - benonsoftware [00:05] * Silverlion too ^^ [00:05] * pleia2 waves [00:05] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports [00:06] The Team Reports havn't been updated for a while now [00:06] Ghehe...8 march ^_^ [00:06] Should we have them or not at all? [00:06] the link to the team reports are included in Ubuntu Weekly News once a month, so people are reading them and it's a really good way to get word out about your project [00:07] Is still from before the restructuring [00:07] benonsoftware: I think that having team reports is good... [00:07] additionally it helps team members who have been gone catch up on what's been going on since they were last available, which would have been very useful for this team [00:07] I think the same cprofitt [00:07] but if you are going to do it... you need to ensure it is done regularly [00:07] Yes [00:08] In the NY loco I have struggled to find a person willing to take on that responsibility... [00:08] So who is to do them? [00:08] what's worked best for teams I'm on is assigning one person who is responsible for making sure it gets done (they don't need to do it themselves, but nudge team members to update it, perhaps an email to the team once a month to remind people to add their items) [00:08] and I think it needs to be specifically assigned to a single person (as pleia2 just said). :-) [00:09] pleia2: Yes, thats what the Ubuntu-AU team does [00:09] We have 2 people doing it in case someone can't do it for a month [00:10] * MrChrisDruif is falling asleep. Sorry guys! [00:10] Hi, is the meeting started? [00:10] ashickur-noor: Yes [00:10] ashickur-noor; yup [00:10] thnx [00:11] I'm happy to do it for a few months [00:11] and I am happy to train people to do it [00:11] o/ [00:11] is there anyone else present that would be interested in taking on the task of team reports? [00:12] again -- this is not writing it, but making sure it gets done [00:12] If someone would like help with it I can show you what to do [00:12] I can help [00:12] * benonsoftware will do it if no-one puts there hand up [00:12] but I don't know what to do [00:12] ashickur-noor: Thats ok, are you free after the meeting? [00:13] chair /action benonsoftware and ashickur-noor will take on the responsibility of ensuring the team reports get done on a monthly basis [00:13] Yap [00:13] #action benonsoftware and ashickur-noor will take on the responsibility of ensuring the team reports get done on a monthly basis [00:13] ACTION: benonsoftware and ashickur-noor will take on the responsibility of ensuring the team reports get done on a monthly basis [00:13] How long It will take? [00:13] Not long [00:14] As stlsaint isn't here yet, are there any other reminders/topics anyone wants to add? [00:14] Coz I need to sleep and then goto office [00:14] * bodhi_zazen waves [00:15] bodhi_zazen: Do you have any other topics to add? [00:15] reminder that User Days is on Saturday, lots of BT people contributing sessions :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [00:15] * benonsoftware is :P [00:15] how is instruct there from here? [00:15] no, but I did notice the contributions of the BT over the last few weeks as well as to User Days, thank you [00:15] pleia2: very full docket -- nice to see [00:17] Anyone else who wants to add anything [00:18] Sorry [00:18] Shall I #endmeeting now? [00:19] unless bodhi_zazen wants to talk about ops [00:19] what is wrong with ops ? [00:20] Not sure, the topic was OPs within BT Channels [00:20] Shall we defer it until the next meeting? [00:20] No, unless there is a problem it is a non-issue [00:21] If someone added it to the agenda and did not show up -> end of issue [00:21] I'll end meeting now [00:22] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [00:22] Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 00:22:18 2012 UTC. [00:22] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-11-00.00.moin.txt [00:22] * benonsoftware goes and updates the wiki page for new meeting [00:22] thanks benonsoftware [00:22] No problems [00:23] +1 [00:23] 8th is the next meeting correct? [00:23] I am not sure :-S [00:24] Should be [00:24] ugg .. 8th is horrible for me [00:25] Same [00:25] Unless if I get a break during school :P [00:55] I'm here now [00:56] Unit193: Missed it :P [00:56] I know [01:01] bodhi_zazen: stl was thinking that two wasn't enough. There was a time you weren't here and I wasn't up (I do sleep every now and then) [01:02] What TZ are you two in? [01:03] TZ doesn't matter as I have weird hours, but I'll take this up in -team (in a few minutes) [01:03] Ok [01:06] http://goo.gl/GWqu5 is not working [01:06] sorry for that [01:08] We probably do not have enough traffic to need many ops, but if there is a general consensus that there is a need we can add. [01:08] It has been a long time since I have seen trolling in our -team channel === ejat- is now known as ejat === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === jasox_ is now known as jasox === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ [16:00] * slangasek waves [16:03] * barry blinks [16:03] o/ [16:03] #startmeeting [16:03] Meeting started Wed Jan 11 16:03:33 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [16:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:04] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [16:04] $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek) [16:04] bdmurray doko slangasek barry stgraber jodh cjwatson ev [16:04] bam [16:05] win! [16:05] updated update-manager to call ubuntu-bug directly when an error is encountered during a distribution upgrade [16:05] setup ubuntu-bugcontrol as the bug supervisor for wubi [16:05] worked with defect analysts regarding bug workflow diagram [16:05] wrote bug pattern for foreign language versions of bug 545790 [16:05] reviewed bug pattern from bryce for xorg transitions [16:05] Launchpad bug 545790 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "package PACKAGE failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '': Success" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545790 [16:05] filed bug 914220 regarding blocking some crash reports after discussion with pitti [16:05] Launchpad bug 914220 in apport (Ubuntu) "crash reports with DBus.Error.NoReply should be blacklisted" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/914220 [16:05] done [16:06] stgraber sends regrets btw, he has an ARB meeting - will poke him for status afterwards [16:06] doko: [16:06] - python2.7 and python3.2 updates, fixing testsuite failures, enabling lto builds [16:06] - first step at packaging python3.3 [16:06] - eglibc-2.15 update, available in the ubuntu-toolchain-r/glibc ppa [16:06] - kubuntu cleanup :-( [16:06] - MIR's and syncs [16:06] - ralley [16:06] done [16:07] doko: "kubuntu cleanup"? [16:07] is that about MIRs, or something else? [16:07] * Fix hdparm policy on battery to ensure we spin the disk down [16:07] * Track down desktop bugs causing my disk to spin up when on battery [16:07] * Patch the resolvconf package to better integrate with precise [16:07] * fix ia32-libs to not pull in daemons and debconf questions on upgrade [16:07] * testing new apt update to fix bug #850264 [16:08] * drum up volunteers for +1 maint team; two found so far, will continue to hunt people tomorrow here in Budapest [16:08] Launchpad bug 850264 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "given a foreign architecture of i386 on amd64 machine, and an outdated libc, apt tries to remove libc-bin" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850264 [16:08] giving back failed builds with incomplete build dependencies [16:08] ah [16:09] barry: you're up [16:09] fixed dbus packaging bug that caused dbus-python test suite to sigabort. updated blueprint with update-manager dependencies for porting to py3. currently working on feedparser (upstream supports it, needs packaging, but upstream test suite fails under python 2.7, so...). dbus-python branch reviewed upstream - some changes were made which i need to review, but it should be ready for merging. did some "consulting" with launchpad folks re: [16:09] mail archive project. done. [16:09] - Testing tracker [16:09] - Finished results API by adding the update() function [16:09] - Add a new bugs.get_list(milestoneid) call returning a list of bugs for a milestone [16:09] - Improve the top testers report a bit [16:09] - Networking [16:09] - Talked with cyphermox about the right way of dealing with VPN and dnsmasq [16:09] - Did a few more IPv6 testing for the privacy extension change, cyphermox's patch has now been uploaded in the Ubuntu kernel! [16:09] - Poked at a fix in network-manager-openvpn to properly deal with reconnects (openvpn doesn't make that easy ...) [16:09] - Started merging ifupdown from Debian experimental (moving from alpha1 to beta1) [16:09] - ARB [16:09] - Mailing-list cleanup [16:09] - Helped packaging the askubuntu unity lense [16:09] - Spent time dealing with Myapps/Software-Center for the first extras.u.c upload for 11.10 [16:09] - Containers [16:09] - Helped moving cgroup-lite to its own source package, uploaded, promoted to main and added as a dependency of libvirt-bin [16:10] - Started working on a fixed util-linux using Serge's patch [16:10] - Other [16:10] - Merged wxwidgets2.8, took quite a while but we're now very very close to Debian again [16:10] - Added a post-stop script to dbus so the system bus gets restarted when it crashes [16:10] - Helped with some ubiquity bugs, talked with didrocks about getting oneconf into Ubiquity, might get a prototype later this week [16:10] (done) [16:10] stgraber: wxwidgets \o/ [16:10] Finished work on mountall change to not mount already mounted FSs [16:10] with stgraber. Working on bug 566818 and bug 912558 (both still in [16:10] progress). [16:10] ☕ [16:10] Launchpad bug 566818 in plymouth (Ubuntu Maverick) "Cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566818 [16:10] Launchpad bug 912558 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "log.c Assert failed - err=>number == EIO" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912558 [16:11] Sent stgraber a basic libnewt-based UI for friendly-recovery. [16:11] Wrote new auto-sync script which doesn't rely on shell access to cocoplum, just in time for DIF. Cleaned up small amounts of breakage that resulted from a related Launchpad bug. [16:11] Added lucid apt/python-apt backports to precise alternate CDs. [16:11] Started to convert things to gnutls28, then realised that was a bad idea for precise (see ubuntu-devel@). [16:11] Fixed live filesystem build breakage yesterday. [16:11] Added lucid installer images with natty and oneiric backported kernels; arranged for these to be available on lucid DVDs. [16:12] Cleaned up some easy "send information to people" work items. [16:12] Started work on a script to data-mine build times from Launchpad. Less convenient than expected because the API doesn't expose this yet. [16:12] Converted other archive admin processes away from sync-source.py; submitted LP branch to remove the latter, all its works, and all its empty promises. [16:12] .. [16:12] Oh, and discussed desired new-world-order backport semantics with broder. [16:12] stgraber: ifupdown> fwiw, Andrew Shadura had pinged me about getting my ifquery patch rebased (Debian bug #568479) - so if and when you get that merge done, let me know [16:12] Debian bug 568479 in ifupdown "ifupdown: please add an 'ifquery' that can authoritatively parse /etc/network/interfaces" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/568479 [16:12] - Short week; holiday through Thursday. [16:12] - Getting caught up on a month of emails. Reminding myself what it is I do here :-( [16:12] - Packaged and uploaded whoopsie-daisy, the crash reporter and database for [16:12] Ubuntu. [16:12] - Bug fixes to the crash reporting daemon. [16:12] - Fixed build dependencies for whoopsie-daisy. [16:12] Can't be that far back, I rebased it for alphawhateveritwas [16:12] - Talked to Matthew about the best path forward for recovering from a failed [16:12] upgrade. He had continuing the upgrade from ubiquity using apt-clone. I [16:12] suggested this was less than ideal, as it's a fundamentally different [16:13] upgrade mechanism from what they started with. I suggested he talk to [16:13] Michael and Robert Ancell (who's doing the better recovery spec) about [16:13] looking for a broken dpkg early at boot and running dpkg --configure -a or [16:13] what-have-you. [16:13] - Added an upstart job to whoopsie. [16:13] - Moved to txstatsd for the web frontend metrics submission. [16:13] - Moved from mod_python to mod_wsgi. [16:13] stgraber: util-linux> fixed wrt what? [16:13] - Main Inclusion Request for whoopsie-daisy (LP: #913694). [16:13] - Put in my request to attend Pycon. [16:13] - Added bson insertion and hostname specification support to oops-repository. [16:13] - Tried to get oops-repository's test harness working. Ran face first into [16:13] http://bugs.python.org/issue7559 [16:13] - Added core submission support. [16:13] - Investigation around the retracer. Because we need to unbase64, unzip, and [16:13] read the architecture out from core dump, it may make more sense to have two [16:13] RabbitMQ queues. The first will process the core files as they've been [16:13] recieved by the user (first written to a SAN). The path to this resulting [16:13] unpacked core file will be put on an architecture-specific queue for a [16:13] retracer to pick up. [16:13] - Added MQ publishing (for the aforementioned core processing) to the core [16:13] submission web frontend. [16:13] - Added the aforementioned processing of core files. Still need to retrace [16:13] (done) [16:14] slangasek: getty not working in containers [16:14] stgraber: ah yes, ack [16:16] ok [16:16] any questions on status all around? [16:17] [TOPIC] Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs [16:17] just one bug today - bug 914794 [16:17] Launchpad bug 914794 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Gdk-CRITICAL errors output when updating from command line" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/914794 [16:18] bdmurray: i guess this happens when you start u-m from the cli? i think i've seen this [16:19] hrm, lots of fun error messages in there [16:19] yes, I saw some of the messages doing it on precise [16:19] so this one Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_pointer: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed [16:21] so the gtk warning is weird in its own right, but I don't see any way that it would be a multiarch problem [16:21] so I think this is probably a bug w/ the desktop stack [16:22] okay, I'll follow up with somebody there [16:22] bdmurray: can we punt that over for the desktop team to look at? [16:22] thanks [16:22] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [16:22] evince throws exactly the same msg on the cli fwiw. [16:22] right - and evince isn't ours :-) [16:22] anything else today? [16:23] still trapped in the UK :-/ [16:23] i think people developing on gtk are just generally bad about dealing with those messages [16:23] suggestions for what to include in a hungarian care package to send back to ev? [16:23] I hear goulash posts well [16:23] (paprika and palinka) [16:23] tokaij [16:23] * may not actually be true [16:23] an entire spa would be nice [16:24] I have a very quiet non-snoring roomie here =) [16:24] doko: every time I buy a bottle of tokaji the contents mysteriously drain out [16:24] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:24] Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 16:24:39 2012 UTC. [16:24] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-11-16.03.moin.txt [16:24] thanks guys :) [16:24] cheers! [16:25] * barry somehow wants lunch now [16:26] * txomon|nqas would like a fresh beer, but ha, its working, thus, will have to wait [16:54] isn't there any qa meeting? [16:56] s/any/supposed to be a/ [16:56] txomon|nqas, yes there is a qa meeting in 4 mins [16:58] ah I thought it was at 5'30 [16:58] 17:00 :-) [16:58] starting meetings on the half-hour is always confusing n'est pas? [17:02] hello phillw [17:02] hiyas [17:03] hello QA team! [17:03] hi gema ! [17:03] hi gema :) [17:03] sorry i am late, I lost track of time [17:03] ditto :) [17:04] #startmeeting [17:04] Meeting started Wed Jan 11 17:04:06 2012 UTC. The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [17:04] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:04] so who is present today on the meeting? [17:04] * txomon|nqas is here [17:04] * charlie-tca seems to be here today [17:04] o/ [17:04] * balloons present and accounted for [17:05] hi o/ [17:05] * gema is getting everyone to answer :D [17:05] ~ô~ [17:05] howdy [17:05] ~w [17:06] er [17:06] szia [17:06] good, let's get started then [17:06] [TOPIC] Previous Actions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Previous Actions [17:06] phillw: do we have any pending action from last week? [17:06] gema: just that one carried over action. [17:07] patrickmw: you created this link, didn't you? [17:07] yes, let me grab that [17:08] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation [17:08] cool, thanks [17:08] hi there [17:08] hi alourie [17:08] hello alourie [17:08] alourie: could you make sure that links makes it to the front of our wiki? [17:09] patrickmw: thanks a lot [17:09] gema: sorry? [17:09] the link that patrickmw just pasted [17:09] with links to all the projects and test code [17:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation [17:09] ah, sure [17:09] it's there [17:09] thanks [17:09] :) [17:09] indeed [17:09] I will [17:09] so that action is dealt with [17:09] let's move on [17:10] [TOPIC] Blueprints Updates and Community Tasks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Blueprints Updates and Community Tasks [17:10] we are going to do the update quickly today [17:10] alourie: do you have any update? [17:11] gema: I've been working on wiki update, so I can see you and Nicholas have looked at it [17:11] I am now more happy with the structure and the content [17:11] excellent, we love the changes but are confused by the duality [17:11] so I think we're ready for feedback and replacing the main page [17:11] so merging it would be good [17:11] yea [17:11] alourie, yep, I think so [17:12] much less confusing now [17:12] balloons, gema: I just saw the email, will read it later [17:12] [ACTION] alourie to merge the new version of the wiki with the old one [17:12] ACTION: alourie to merge the new version of the wiki with the old one [17:12] I like actions :D [17:12] btw, is there a way to move complete trees of wiki? [17:12] alourie: I don't think so, but not sure [17:12] I've been playing with the idea to move some of the Testing/... to QATeam/... [17:12] alourie, I can dig around and help you with that [17:12] I was looking into it this afternoon mysel [17:12] *myself [17:13] balloons: well, it's wiki, so it kinda should be possible [17:13] no promises there's an easy way :-) [17:13] right.. export and import if nothing else [17:13] in any case, we may want to do a copy&paste, whichever way [17:13] gema, balloons: or we can leave it as it is [17:13] and just link properly [17:13] let me work on it a bit [17:14] and finally [17:14] alourie: you got it, make sure balloons help you with that [17:14] there's a lot of obsolete stuff there [17:14] alourie: remove it [17:14] which is no longer relevant [17:14] it is confusing [17:14] gema: yes, that's my point [17:14] maybe not remove per se, but "archive" of a sort [17:14] alourie: if you don't feel comfy with it, I will grab the axe [17:14] * txomon|nqas laughs [17:14] gema: oh, don't worry [17:15] alourie: it's a wiki, there's history there [17:15] I worry that my axe could be too large :-) [17:15] don't worry and remove it [17:15] gema: sure [17:15] I'm done [17:15] ok [17:15] ... [17:15] txomon|nqas: do you have any update? [17:15] not refering the wiki [17:15] and referring to anything else? [17:16] well, I would like to discuss what we already started discussing in the mail-list [17:16] alourie, yes in general it's best to not have old content.. just confuses everyone :-) [17:16] balloons: yea, sure [17:16] txomon|nqas, the bug report? [17:17] txomon|nqas: you mean the bug? [17:17] more meant to be a post, but yes [17:17] o oh [17:17] txomon|nqas: ok, can we discuss this next week? [17:17] :-) [17:17] oki [17:17] place it in the agenda as an item? [17:17] gema: please [17:17] or if you prefer, you could answer to my email [17:17] I prefer [17:18] gema: place it to agenda, if we solve it through mail discussion, we'll remove it [17:18] don't know if I will be able to be here [17:18] txomon|home: ^^ [17:18] txomon|nqas: ok [17:18] let's do it by email so that everyone benefits from it [17:18] txomon|nqas, did you have any thoughts on possible action items to take that you wanted feedback on? [17:19] I have been testing packages independently [17:19] otherwise, email should work nicely [17:19] and that for example is not quite stable [17:19] in gnome packets dependencies missing etc [17:19] txomon|nqas: is this one of the tasks in our current list of things to do? [17:19] or something you'd like to add there? [17:19] gema: add [17:19] txomon|nqas: ok, so make the changes on the wiki [17:20] will [17:20] txomon|home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TasksPrecise [17:20] yep [17:20] you can find that link on the main page now, if you lose it [17:20] oki ty [17:21] good, so from next week onwards we'll start working on it [17:21] I will wait for lubuntu and xubuntu updates for charlie-tca and phillw [17:21] so, hggdh any update from you? [17:21] * phillw is here [17:21] * charlie-tca too [17:22] * gema knows, you have your own agenda item :D [17:22] not from me, coming back from vacation :-) [17:22] jibel: ? [17:23] currently working on upgrades from lucid to precise to make it as smooth as possible [17:23] not much else to report [17:23] ok, thanks [17:23] leworks: [17:23] ? [17:23] Nothing from me [17:23] ok, just to let you know, guys, leworks is our new QA Admin [17:24] he knows all about the lab and can run things and fix stuff [17:24] nuclearbob: ? [17:25] I've sent a number of patches to the qa-regression-testing suite, and I've been working with the kernel team to get autotest tests ported and usable on ubuntu and in the qa lab, particualrly with an eye toward develpping a process to do this in the future with less manual intervention [17:25] excellent, thank you [17:25] balloons: you are up [17:25] * balloons ducks [17:26] updates from me... [17:26] * txomon|nqas ¬¬ wet [17:27] I am the new QA community coordinator here at canonical and have been introduced to the team here. I'd like to say hello as well to all of you. [17:27] * txomon|nqas says hi! [17:27]