[00:00] <benonsoftware> #startmeeting
[00:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 11 00:00:51 2012 UTC.  The chair is benonsoftware. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[00:01] <benonsoftware> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:01] <MrChrisDruif> o/
[00:01] <benonsoftware> Raise your hands with o/ if your here :P
[00:01] <Silverlion> o/
[00:01] <cprofitt> 0/
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> \o
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> o7
[00:02] <benonsoftware> Anyone else around?
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; ?
[00:04] <MrChrisDruif> 3 members/active people  isn't a very good way to meet
[00:04] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[00:04] <cprofitt> All meetings are good...
[00:04] <cprofitt> if you don't hold meetings... then more people can not join
[00:04] <benonsoftware> stlsaint has the first topic and he isn't in here
[00:04] <cprofitt> lets keep ourselves focused on the positive and move this forward
[00:04] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, let's get this meeting started.
[00:05] <MrChrisDruif> I've got a date with my bed and I'm late
[00:05] <benonsoftware> Shall we move to the 2nd topic
[00:05] <cprofitt> lets go to the next topic and then see if stl shows up
[00:05] <benonsoftware> [TOPIC] Team Reports - benonsoftware
[00:05]  * Silverlion too ^^ 
[00:05]  * pleia2 waves
[00:05] <benonsoftware> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports
[00:06] <benonsoftware> The Team Reports havn't been updated for a while now
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe...8 march ^_^
[00:06] <benonsoftware> Should we have them or not at all?
[00:06] <pleia2> the link to the team reports are included in Ubuntu Weekly News once a month, so people are reading them and it's a really good way to get word out about your project
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> Is still from before the restructuring
[00:07] <cprofitt> benonsoftware: I think that having team reports is good...
[00:07] <pleia2> additionally it helps team members who have been gone catch up on what's been going on since they were last available, which would have been very useful for this team
[00:07] <benonsoftware> I think the same cprofitt
[00:07] <cprofitt> but if you are going to do it... you need to ensure it is done regularly
[00:07] <benonsoftware> Yes
[00:08] <cprofitt> In the NY loco I have struggled to find a person willing to take on that responsibility...
[00:08] <benonsoftware> So who is to do them?
[00:08] <pleia2> what's worked best for teams I'm on is assigning one person who is responsible for making sure it gets done (they don't need to do it themselves, but nudge team members to update it, perhaps an email to the team once a month to remind people to add their items)
[00:08] <cprofitt> and I think it needs to be specifically assigned to a single person (as pleia2 just said). :-)
[00:09] <benonsoftware> pleia2: Yes, thats what the Ubuntu-AU team does
[00:09] <benonsoftware> We have 2 people doing it in case someone can't do it for a month
[00:10]  * MrChrisDruif is falling asleep. Sorry guys!
[00:10] <ashickur-noor> Hi, is the meeting started?
[00:10] <benonsoftware> ashickur-noor: Yes
[00:10] <MrChrisDruif> ashickur-noor; yup
[00:10] <ashickur-noor> thnx
[00:11] <benonsoftware> I'm happy to do it for a few months
[00:11] <benonsoftware> and I am happy to train people to do it
[00:11] <ashickur-noor> o/
[00:11] <cprofitt> is there anyone else present that would be interested in taking on the task of team reports?
[00:12] <cprofitt> again -- this is not writing it, but making sure it gets done
[00:12] <benonsoftware> If someone would like help with it I can show you what to do
[00:12] <ashickur-noor> I can help
[00:12]  * benonsoftware will do it if no-one puts there hand up
[00:12] <ashickur-noor> but I don't know what to do
[00:12] <benonsoftware> ashickur-noor: Thats ok, are you free after the meeting?
[00:13] <cprofitt> chair /action benonsoftware and ashickur-noor will take on the responsibility of ensuring the team reports get done on a monthly basis
[00:13] <ashickur-noor> Yap
[00:13] <benonsoftware> #action benonsoftware and ashickur-noor will take on the responsibility of ensuring the team reports get done on a monthly basis
[00:13] <meetingology> ACTION: benonsoftware and ashickur-noor will take on the responsibility of ensuring the team reports get done on a monthly basis
[00:13] <ashickur-noor> How long It will take?
[00:13] <benonsoftware> Not long
[00:14] <benonsoftware> As stlsaint isn't here yet, are there any other reminders/topics anyone wants to add?
[00:14] <ashickur-noor> Coz I need to sleep and then goto office
[00:14]  * bodhi_zazen waves
[00:15] <benonsoftware> bodhi_zazen: Do you have any other topics to add?
[00:15] <pleia2> reminder that User Days is on Saturday, lots of BT people contributing sessions :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[00:15]  * benonsoftware is :P
[00:15] <ashickur-noor> how is instruct there from here?
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> no, but I did notice the contributions of the BT over the last few weeks as well as to User Days, thank you
[00:15] <cprofitt> pleia2: very full docket -- nice to see
[00:17] <benonsoftware> Anyone else who wants to add anything
[00:18] <benonsoftware> Sorry
[00:18] <benonsoftware> Shall I #endmeeting now?
[00:19] <cprofitt> unless bodhi_zazen wants to talk about ops
[00:19] <bodhi_zazen> what is wrong with ops ?
[00:20] <benonsoftware> Not sure, the topic was OPs within BT Channels
[00:20] <benonsoftware> Shall we defer it until the next meeting?
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> No, unless there is a problem it is a non-issue
[00:21] <bodhi_zazen> If someone added it to the agenda and did not show up -> end of issue
[00:21] <benonsoftware> I'll end meeting now
[00:22] <benonsoftware> #endmeeting
[00:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 00:22:18 2012 UTC.
[00:22] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-11-00.00.moin.txt
[00:22]  * benonsoftware goes and updates the wiki page for new meeting
[00:22] <pleia2> thanks benonsoftware
[00:22] <benonsoftware> No problems
[00:23] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:23] <benonsoftware> 8th is the next meeting correct?
[00:23] <ashickur-noor> I am not sure :-S
[00:24] <benonsoftware> Should be
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> ugg .. 8th is horrible for me
[00:25] <benonsoftware> Same
[00:25] <benonsoftware> Unless if I get a break during school :P
[00:55] <Unit193> I'm here now
[00:56] <benonsoftware> Unit193: Missed it :P
[00:56] <Unit193> I know
[01:01] <Unit193> bodhi_zazen: stl was thinking that two wasn't enough. There was a time you weren't here and I wasn't up (I do sleep every now and then)
[01:02] <benonsoftware> What TZ are you two in?
[01:03] <Unit193> TZ doesn't matter as I have weird hours, but I'll take this up in -team (in a few minutes)
[01:03] <benonsoftware> Ok
[01:06] <ashickur-noor> http://goo.gl/GWqu5 is not working
[01:06] <ashickur-noor> sorry for that
[01:08] <bodhi_zazen> We probably do not have enough traffic to need many ops, but if there is a general consensus that there is a need we can add.
[01:08] <bodhi_zazen> It has been a long time since I have seen trolling in our -team channel
[16:00]  * slangasek waves
[16:03]  * barry blinks
[16:03] <jodh> o/
[16:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 11 16:03:33 2012 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek)
[16:04] <slangasek> bdmurray doko slangasek barry stgraber jodh cjwatson ev
[16:04] <slangasek> bam
[16:05] <ev> win!
[16:05] <bdmurray> updated update-manager to call ubuntu-bug directly when an error is encountered during a distribution upgrade
[16:05] <bdmurray> setup ubuntu-bugcontrol as the bug supervisor for wubi
[16:05] <bdmurray> worked with defect analysts regarding bug workflow diagram
[16:05] <bdmurray> wrote bug pattern for foreign language versions of bug 545790
[16:05] <bdmurray> reviewed bug pattern from bryce for xorg transitions
[16:05] <bdmurray> filed bug 914220 regarding blocking some crash reports after discussion with pitti
[16:05] <bdmurray> done
[16:06] <slangasek> stgraber sends regrets btw, he has an ARB meeting - will poke him for status afterwards
[16:06] <slangasek> doko:
[16:06] <doko> - python2.7 and python3.2 updates, fixing testsuite failures, enabling lto builds
[16:06] <doko> - first step at packaging python3.3
[16:06] <doko> - eglibc-2.15 update, available in the ubuntu-toolchain-r/glibc ppa
[16:06] <doko> - kubuntu cleanup :-(
[16:06] <doko> - MIR's and syncs
[16:06] <doko> - ralley
[16:06] <doko> done
[16:07] <slangasek> doko: "kubuntu cleanup"?
[16:07] <slangasek> is that about MIRs, or something else?
[16:07] <slangasek>  * Fix hdparm policy on battery to ensure we spin the disk down
[16:07] <slangasek>  * Track down desktop bugs causing my disk to spin up when on battery
[16:07] <slangasek>  * Patch the resolvconf package to better integrate with precise
[16:07] <slangasek>  * fix ia32-libs to not pull in daemons and debconf questions on upgrade
[16:07] <slangasek>  * testing new apt update to fix bug #850264
[16:08] <slangasek>  * drum up volunteers for +1 maint team; two found so far, will continue to hunt people tomorrow here in Budapest
[16:08] <doko> giving back failed builds with incomplete build dependencies
[16:08] <slangasek> ah
[16:09] <slangasek> barry: you're up
[16:09] <barry> fixed dbus packaging bug that caused dbus-python test suite to sigabort.  updated blueprint with update-manager dependencies for porting to py3.  currently working on feedparser (upstream supports it, needs packaging, but upstream test suite fails under python 2.7, so...).  dbus-python branch reviewed upstream - some changes were made which i need to review, but it should be ready for merging. did some "consulting" with launchpad folks re:
[16:09] <barry> mail archive project. done.
[16:09] <stgraber> - Testing tracker
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Finished results API by adding the update() function
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Add a new bugs.get_list(milestoneid) call returning a list of bugs for a milestone
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Improve the top testers report a bit
[16:09] <stgraber> - Networking
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Talked with cyphermox about the right way of dealing with VPN and dnsmasq
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Did a few more IPv6 testing for the privacy extension change, cyphermox's patch has now been uploaded in the Ubuntu kernel!
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Poked at a fix in network-manager-openvpn to properly deal with reconnects (openvpn doesn't make that easy ...)
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Started merging ifupdown from Debian experimental (moving from alpha1 to beta1)
[16:09] <stgraber> - ARB
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Mailing-list cleanup
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Helped packaging the askubuntu unity lense
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Spent time dealing with Myapps/Software-Center for the first extras.u.c upload for 11.10
[16:09] <stgraber> - Containers
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Helped moving cgroup-lite to its own source package, uploaded, promoted to main and added as a dependency of libvirt-bin
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Started working on a fixed util-linux using Serge's patch
[16:10] <stgraber> - Other
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Merged wxwidgets2.8, took quite a while but we're now very very close to Debian again
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Added a post-stop script to dbus so the system bus gets restarted when it crashes
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Helped with some ubiquity bugs, talked with didrocks about getting oneconf into Ubiquity, might get a prototype later this week
[16:10] <stgraber> (done)
[16:10] <barry> stgraber: wxwidgets \o/
[16:10] <jodh> Finished work on mountall change to not mount already mounted FSs
[16:10] <jodh> with stgraber. Working on bug 566818 and bug 912558 (both still in
[16:10] <jodh> progress).
[16:10] <jodh> ☕
[16:11] <cjwatson> Sent stgraber a basic libnewt-based UI for friendly-recovery.
[16:11] <cjwatson> Wrote new auto-sync script which doesn't rely on shell access to cocoplum, just in time for DIF.  Cleaned up small amounts of breakage that resulted from a related Launchpad bug.
[16:11] <cjwatson> Added lucid apt/python-apt backports to precise alternate CDs.
[16:11] <cjwatson> Started to convert things to gnutls28, then realised that was a bad idea for precise (see ubuntu-devel@).
[16:11] <cjwatson> Fixed live filesystem build breakage yesterday.
[16:11] <cjwatson> Added lucid installer images with natty and oneiric backported kernels; arranged for these to be available on lucid DVDs.
[16:12] <cjwatson> Cleaned up some easy "send information to people" work items.
[16:12] <cjwatson> Started work on a script to data-mine build times from Launchpad.  Less convenient than expected because the API doesn't expose this yet.
[16:12] <cjwatson> Converted other archive admin processes away from sync-source.py; submitted LP branch to remove the latter, all its works, and all its empty promises.
[16:12] <cjwatson> ..
[16:12] <cjwatson> Oh, and discussed desired new-world-order backport semantics with broder.
[16:12] <slangasek> stgraber: ifupdown> fwiw, Andrew Shadura had pinged me about getting my ifquery patch rebased (Debian bug #568479) - so if and when you get that merge done, let me know
[16:12] <ev> - Short week; holiday through Thursday.
[16:12] <ev> - Getting caught up on a month of emails. Reminding myself what it is I do here :-(
[16:12] <ev> - Packaged and uploaded whoopsie-daisy, the crash reporter and database for
[16:12] <ev>   Ubuntu.
[16:12] <ev> - Bug fixes to the crash reporting daemon.
[16:12] <ev> - Fixed build dependencies for whoopsie-daisy.
[16:12] <cjwatson> Can't be that far back, I rebased it for alphawhateveritwas
[16:12] <ev> - Talked to Matthew about the best path forward for recovering from a failed
[16:12] <ev>   upgrade. He had continuing the upgrade from ubiquity using apt-clone.  I
[16:12] <ev>   suggested this was less than ideal, as it's a fundamentally different
[16:13] <ev>   upgrade mechanism from what they started with.  I suggested he talk to
[16:13] <ev>   Michael and Robert Ancell (who's doing the better recovery spec) about
[16:13] <ev>   looking for a broken dpkg early at boot and running dpkg --configure -a or
[16:13] <ev>   what-have-you.
[16:13] <ev> - Added an upstart job to whoopsie.
[16:13] <ev> - Moved to txstatsd for the web frontend metrics submission.
[16:13] <ev> - Moved from mod_python to mod_wsgi.
[16:13] <slangasek> stgraber: util-linux> fixed wrt what?
[16:13] <ev> - Main Inclusion Request for whoopsie-daisy (LP: #913694).
[16:13] <ev> - Put in my request to attend Pycon.
[16:13] <ev> - Added bson insertion and hostname specification support to oops-repository.
[16:13] <ev> - Tried to get oops-repository's test harness working. Ran face first into
[16:13] <ev>   http://bugs.python.org/issue7559
[16:13] <ev> - Added core submission support.
[16:13] <ev> - Investigation around the retracer.  Because we need to unbase64, unzip, and
[16:13] <ev>   read the architecture out from core dump, it may make more sense to have two
[16:13] <ev>   RabbitMQ queues.  The first will process the core files as they've been
[16:13] <ev>   recieved by the user (first written to a SAN).  The path to this resulting
[16:13] <ev>   unpacked core file will be put on an architecture-specific queue for a
[16:13] <ev>   retracer to pick up.
[16:13] <ev> - Added MQ publishing (for the aforementioned core processing) to the core
[16:13] <ev>   submission web frontend.
[16:13] <ev> - Added the aforementioned processing of core files.  Still need to retrace
[16:13] <ev> (done)
[16:14] <stgraber> slangasek: getty not working in containers
[16:14] <slangasek> stgraber: ah yes, ack
[16:16] <slangasek> ok
[16:16] <slangasek> any questions on status all around?
[16:17] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[16:17] <bdmurray> just one bug today - bug 914794
[16:18] <barry> bdmurray: i guess this happens when you start u-m from the cli?  i think i've seen this
[16:19] <slangasek> hrm, lots of fun error messages in there
[16:19] <bdmurray> yes, I saw some of the messages doing it on precise
[16:19] <bdmurray> so this one Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_pointer: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
[16:21] <slangasek> so the gtk warning is weird in its own right, but I don't see any way that it would be a multiarch problem
[16:21] <slangasek> so I think this is probably a bug w/ the desktop stack
[16:22] <bdmurray> okay, I'll follow up with somebody there
[16:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: can we punt that over for the desktop team to look at?
[16:22] <slangasek> thanks
[16:22] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:22] <jodh> evince throws exactly the same msg on the cli fwiw.
[16:22] <slangasek> right - and evince isn't ours :-)
[16:22] <slangasek> anything else today?
[16:23] <ev> still trapped in the UK :-/
[16:23] <broder> i think people developing on gtk are just generally bad about dealing with those messages
[16:23] <slangasek> suggestions for what to include in a hungarian care package to send back to ev?
[16:23] <cjwatson> I hear goulash posts well
[16:23] <slangasek> (paprika and palinka)
[16:23] <doko> tokaij
[16:23] <cjwatson> * may not actually be true
[16:23] <ev> an entire spa would be nice
[16:24] <doko> I have a very quiet non-snoring roomie here =)
[16:24] <slangasek> doko: every time I buy a bottle of tokaji the contents mysteriously drain out
[16:24] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 16:24:39 2012 UTC.
[16:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-11-16.03.moin.txt
[16:24] <slangasek> thanks guys :)
[16:24] <ev> cheers!
[16:25]  * barry somehow wants lunch now
[16:26]  * txomon|nqas would like a fresh beer, but ha, its working, thus, will have to wait
[16:54] <txomon|nqas> isn't there any qa meeting?
[16:56] <txomon|nqas> s/any/supposed to be a/
[16:56] <balloons> txomon|nqas, yes there is a qa meeting in 4 mins
[16:58] <txomon|nqas> ah I thought it was at 5'30
[16:58] <balloons> 17:00 :-)
[16:58] <balloons> starting meetings on the half-hour is always confusing n'est pas?
[17:02] <balloons> hello phillw
[17:02] <phillw> hiyas
[17:03] <gema> hello QA team!
[17:03] <txomon|nqas> hi gema !
[17:03] <phillw> hi gema :)
[17:03] <gema> sorry i am late, I lost track of time
[17:03] <phillw> ditto :)
[17:04] <gema> #startmeeting
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 11 17:04:06 2012 UTC.  The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:04] <gema> so who is present today on the meeting?
[17:04]  * txomon|nqas is here
[17:04]  * charlie-tca seems to be here today
[17:04] <phillw> o/
[17:04]  * balloons present and accounted for
[17:05] <jibel> hi o/
[17:05]  * gema is getting everyone to answer :D
[17:05] <hggdh> ~ô~
[17:05] <nuclearbob> howdy
[17:05] <leworks> ~w
[17:06] <nuclearbob> er
[17:06] <nuclearbob> szia
[17:06] <gema> good, let's get started then
[17:06] <gema> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:06] <gema> phillw: do we have any pending action from last week?
[17:06] <phillw> gema: just that one carried over action.
[17:07] <gema> patrickmw: you created this link, didn't you?
[17:07] <patrickmw> yes, let me grab that
[17:08] <patrickmw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation
[17:08] <gema> cool, thanks
[17:08] <alourie> hi there
[17:08] <gema> hi alourie
[17:08] <balloons> hello alourie
[17:08] <gema> alourie: could you make sure that links makes it to the front of our wiki?
[17:09] <gema> patrickmw: thanks a lot
[17:09] <alourie> gema: sorry?
[17:09] <gema> the link that patrickmw just pasted
[17:09] <gema> with links to all the projects and test code
[17:09] <patrickmw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation
[17:09] <alourie> ah, sure
[17:09] <alourie> it's there
[17:09] <gema> thanks
[17:09] <patrickmw> :)
[17:09] <patrickmw> indeed
[17:09] <alourie> I will
[17:09] <gema> so that action is dealt with
[17:09] <gema> let's move on
[17:10] <gema> [TOPIC] Blueprints Updates and Community Tasks
[17:10] <gema> we are going to do the update quickly today
[17:10] <gema> alourie: do you have any update?
[17:11] <alourie> gema: I've been working on wiki update, so I can see you and Nicholas have looked at it
[17:11] <alourie> I am now more happy with the structure and the content
[17:11] <gema> excellent, we love the changes but are confused by the duality
[17:11] <alourie> so I think we're ready for feedback and replacing the main page
[17:11] <gema> so merging it would be good
[17:11] <alourie> yea
[17:11] <balloons> alourie, yep, I think so
[17:12] <balloons> much less confusing now
[17:12] <alourie> balloons, gema: I just saw the email, will read it later
[17:12] <gema> [ACTION] alourie to merge the new version of the wiki with the old one
[17:12] <meetingology> ACTION: alourie to merge the new version of the wiki with the old one
[17:12] <gema> I like actions :D
[17:12] <alourie> btw, is there a way to move complete trees of wiki?
[17:12] <gema> alourie: I don't think so, but not sure
[17:12] <alourie> I've been playing with the idea to move some of the Testing/... to QATeam/...
[17:12] <balloons> alourie, I can dig around and help you with that
[17:12] <balloons> I was looking into it this afternoon mysel
[17:12] <balloons> *myself
[17:13] <alourie> balloons: well, it's wiki, so it kinda should be possible
[17:13] <balloons> no promises there's an easy way :-)
[17:13] <balloons> right.. export and import if nothing else
[17:13] <gema> in any case, we may want to do a copy&paste, whichever way
[17:13] <alourie> gema, balloons: or we can leave it as it is
[17:13] <alourie> and just link properly
[17:13] <alourie> let me work on it a bit
[17:14] <alourie> and finally
[17:14] <gema> alourie: you got it, make sure balloons help you with that
[17:14] <alourie> there's a lot of obsolete stuff there
[17:14] <gema> alourie: remove it
[17:14] <alourie> which is no longer relevant
[17:14] <gema> it is confusing
[17:14] <alourie> gema: yes, that's my point
[17:14] <alourie> maybe not remove per se, but "archive" of a sort
[17:14] <gema> alourie: if you don't feel comfy with it, I will grab the axe
[17:14]  * txomon|nqas laughs
[17:14] <alourie> gema: oh, don't worry
[17:15] <gema> alourie: it's a wiki, there's history there
[17:15] <alourie> I worry that my axe could be too large :-)
[17:15] <gema> don't worry and remove it
[17:15] <alourie> gema: sure
[17:15] <alourie> I'm done
[17:15] <gema> ok
[17:15] <alourie> ...
[17:15] <gema> txomon|nqas: do you have any update?
[17:15] <txomon|nqas> not refering the wiki
[17:15] <gema> and referring to anything else?
[17:16] <txomon|nqas> well, I would like to discuss what we already started discussing in the mail-list
[17:16] <balloons> alourie, yes in general it's best to not have old content.. just confuses everyone :-)
[17:16] <alourie> balloons: yea, sure
[17:16] <balloons> txomon|nqas, the bug report?
[17:17] <gema> txomon|nqas: you mean the bug?
[17:17] <txomon|nqas> more meant to be a post, but yes
[17:17] <alourie> o oh
[17:17] <gema> txomon|nqas: ok, can we discuss this next week?
[17:17] <alourie> :-)
[17:17] <txomon|nqas> oki
[17:17] <gema> place it in the agenda as an item?
[17:17] <alourie> gema: please
[17:17] <gema> or if you prefer, you could answer to my email
[17:17] <txomon|nqas> I prefer
[17:18] <alourie> gema: place it to agenda, if we solve it through mail discussion, we'll remove it
[17:18] <txomon|nqas> don't know if I will be able to be here
[17:18] <alourie> txomon|home: ^^
[17:18] <gema> txomon|nqas: ok
[17:18] <gema> let's do it by email so that everyone benefits from it
[17:18] <balloons> txomon|nqas,  did you have any thoughts on possible action items to take that you wanted feedback on?
[17:19] <txomon|nqas> I have been testing packages independently
[17:19] <balloons> otherwise, email should work nicely
[17:19] <txomon|nqas> and that for example is not quite stable
[17:19] <txomon|nqas> in gnome packets dependencies missing etc
[17:19] <gema> txomon|nqas: is this one of the tasks in our current list of things to do?
[17:19] <gema> or something you'd like to add there?
[17:19] <txomon|nqas> gema: add
[17:19] <gema> txomon|nqas: ok, so make the changes on the wiki
[17:20] <txomon|nqas> will
[17:20] <alourie> txomon|home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TasksPrecise
[17:20] <gema> yep
[17:20] <balloons> you can find that link on the main page now, if you lose it
[17:20] <txomon|nqas> oki ty
[17:21] <gema> good, so from next week onwards we'll start working on it
[17:21] <gema> I will wait for lubuntu and xubuntu updates for charlie-tca and phillw
[17:21] <gema> so, hggdh any update from you?
[17:21]  * phillw is here
[17:21]  * charlie-tca too
[17:22]  * gema knows, you  have your own agenda item :D
[17:22] <hggdh> not from me, coming back from vacation :-)
[17:22] <gema> jibel: ?
[17:23] <jibel> currently working on upgrades from lucid to precise to make it as smooth as possible
[17:23] <jibel> not much else to report
[17:23] <gema> ok, thanks
[17:23] <gema> leworks:
[17:23] <gema> ?
[17:23] <leworks> Nothing from me
[17:23] <gema> ok, just to let you know, guys, leworks is our new QA Admin
[17:24] <gema> he knows all about the lab and can run things and fix stuff
[17:24] <gema> nuclearbob: ?
[17:25] <nuclearbob> I've sent a number of patches to the qa-regression-testing suite, and I've been working with the kernel team to get autotest tests ported and usable on ubuntu and in the qa lab, particualrly with an eye toward develpping a process to do this in the future with less manual intervention
[17:25] <gema> excellent, thank you
[17:25] <gema> balloons: you are up
[17:25]  * balloons ducks
[17:26] <balloons> updates from me...
[17:26]  * txomon|nqas ¬¬ wet
[17:27] <balloons> I am the new QA community coordinator here at canonical and have been introduced to the team here. I'd like to say hello as well to all of you.
[17:27]  * txomon|nqas says hi!
[17:27] <gema> welcome, balloons
[17:27]  * alourie joins txomon|home 
[17:27] <alourie> welcome balloons
[17:27] <jibel> hi balloons
[17:27] <charlie-tca> Welcome, balloons
[17:27] <balloons> I sent around a post in Decemeber, but I am in the job now and ready to get rolling. Feel free to reach out to me with any questions/concerns/ideas for quality in ubuntu.. I see good things ahead
[17:28] <hggdh> welcome balloons also!
[17:28]  * gema is happy that someone is taking over the chairing... because you are balloons .. right?
[17:28] <phillw> welcome balloons
[17:28] <txomon|nqas> welcome balloons
[17:28] <hggdh> balloons is region
[17:28] <hggdh> legion
[17:28] <balloons> gema, yes I will chair.. I'm sure everyone will take it easy on me while I learn meetbot
[17:29] <gema> cool
[17:29] <alourie> of course
[17:29]  * charlie-tca thinks we take it easy on everyone :)
[17:29] <balloons> hggdh, yes! so many personalities, so little time
[17:29] <gema> ok
[17:30] <gema> so moving on with the agenda (because we have a team dinner today and by the looks of it we are running late :P)
[17:30] <gema> [TOPIC] Updates Xubuntu
[17:30] <gema> charlie-tca: ?
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu has the new installer working today, maybe-ubiquity
[17:31] <charlie-tca> HAven't really had time to run all the images with it yet, but at least it is working on what I tried
[17:31] <gema> that's good news
[17:31] <balloons> that's awesome news.. hopefully it will stay stable now
[17:31] <charlie-tca> Only realy bug I see is the language screen when choosing "Install Xubuntu" from the cd menu
[17:31] <hggdh> do you have a bug on it?
[17:31] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/911905
[17:32] <charlie-tca> ..
[17:32] <gema> cool, thanks charlie-tca
[17:32] <phillw> it's still there on todays build in lubuntu, charlie-tca I checked b4 the meeting
[17:32] <gema> [TOPIC] Updates Lubuntu
[17:32] <charlie-tca> Oh, good
[17:33] <phillw> nothing too major, except lxpanel eats 100% CPU time, the team are on the case
[17:33] <gema> ok
[17:33] <phillw> Just for information https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseStatus/Precise is updated weekly by our head of Dev
[17:33] <gema> ok, thanks for the info
[17:34] <gema> anything else from you?
[17:34] <phillw> nothing, our young team are getting stuck in at lubuntu-qa
[17:34] <gema> getting stuck?
[17:35] <phillw> rolling their sleeves up and working :)
[17:35] <balloons> phillw, that's a cool page
[17:35] <gema> ahhh, ok!
[17:35] <phillw> balloons: I'll pass the comment on to 'the boss' :)
[17:36] <gema> excellent, so moving on to next topic
[17:36] <gema> [TOPIC] Edubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Mithbuntu
[17:36] <gema> anyone from any of these releases that wants to give us an update?
[17:36] <micahg> hmm, shouldn't that be Mythbuntu?
[17:36] <ScottK> It should.
[17:36] <leworks> It should
[17:36] <phillw> yup
[17:36] <alourie> yea
[17:36] <balloons> yes, seems nice concise and too the point.. well done
[17:36] <gema> yes, I got your attention!!!
[17:36]  * hggdh agrees ;-)
[17:37] <gema> ScottK: any update?
[17:37] <ScottK> Not from me about any of those (not my thing)
[17:37] <gema> ScottK: sorry, I forgot Kubuntu
[17:37] <gema> :)
[17:38] <astraljava> Hmmm... I'm not sure we (Ubuntu Studio) have anyone prepared for this meeting.
[17:38] <astraljava> I apologize for that.
[17:38] <gema> astraljava: no worries, it is good that we get to talk to you
[17:38] <gema> astraljava: and start the collaboration today :)
[17:38] <ScottK> Where is the meeting agenda published?
[17:38] <astraljava> gema: Yes. I will try to pay more attention from now on.
[17:39] <gema> astraljava: excellent, are you guys doing any testing worth mentioning at the moment?
[17:39] <astraljava> gema: Not at the moment, there haven't been any big changes.
[17:39] <stgraber> I'm also around but I usually post QA relevant stuff for Edubuntu to the release mailing list for our meeting on Friday, don't really have time to attend one more meeting just for QA
[17:39] <phillw> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:40] <gema> astraljava: ok, thanks for the update
[17:40] <ScottK> Since Kubuntu isn't on the agenda, I'll just toss in that KDE SC 4.7.4 for oneiric-proposed is uploading out of my laptop right now, so we'll have that on tap for testing once it's built.
[17:41] <gema> stgraber: ok, we will try to keep up with your updates there then
[17:41] <hggdh> ScottK: perfect. I will be waiting ;-)
[17:41] <micahg> o/
[17:41] <hggdh> s/will be /am/
[17:41] <phillw> ScottK: feel free to add kubuntu :)
[17:41] <gema> ScottK: we'll add Kubuntu to the agenda for next week
[17:41] <ScottK> OK.
[17:42] <stgraber> gema: thanks. If we have anything big that deserves an agenda item for a QA meeting, I'll make sure we do it, for the usual, we closed 2 bugs and everything still installs/upgrades fine, the release mailing-list is fine.
[17:42] <gema> [ACTION] balloons to add Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio to the agenda
[17:42] <meetingology> ACTION: balloons to add Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio to the agenda
[17:42] <gema> stgraber: cool, thanks
[17:42] <gema> stgraber: thanks for the update
[17:42] <gema> micahg: go ahead
[17:43] <micahg> gema: it's not about this, but about Firefox testing, may I continue?
[17:43] <gema> micahg: just a sec
[17:43] <gema> we are moving to other topics now
[17:43] <gema> [TOPIC] Other topics
[17:43] <gema> micahg: you can proceed
[17:44] <micahg> some background is here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2012-January/001544.html
[17:45] <gema> micahg: can you brief us on what you need?
[17:45] <micahg> I'll be sending a call for testing e-mail later this evening to ubuntu-qa and some other lists, basically we're migration Firefox in Lucid and Maverick from 3.6.x to Rapid Release (9.0.1 ATM) and we need people to test the packages in -proposed
[17:45] <gema> ok, that's good, I am sure someone will be able to undertake the testing
[17:45] <gema> micahg: can you make sure that you clearly explain what type of test case you need run?
[17:45] <balloons> micahg, does that mean all supported releases will be on rapid release for ff?
[17:46] <micahg> balloons: yes :)
[17:46] <micahg> gema: yes, I had forgotten to do that, will add before I send it out later, thanks
[17:46] <micahg> ..
[17:46] <gema> micahg: thanks
[17:46] <gema> anything else from anyone?
[17:47] <alourie> o/
[17:47] <gema> alourie: go for it
[17:47] <alourie> the last, I promise :-)
[17:47] <alourie> #ubuntu-quality is being closed and merged into this channel, so there.
[17:47] <gema> into ubuntu-meeting?
[17:47] <alourie> oops
[17:47] <alourie> -testing that is
[17:47] <hggdh> indeed
[17:47] <gema> cool, thanks
[17:47] <alourie> so less duplicates here as well
[17:47] <hggdh> thank you for remembering it for the record
[17:47] <gema> yes, indeed
[17:48] <gema> so we are closing the meeting for the day
[17:48] <gema> next week balloons takes over from me the meeting chairing, I will cover for him whenever he is not available and phillw can keep covering whenever none of us is available
[17:48]  * balloons +!
[17:48] <gema> if anyone wants to chair, please say so , you are more than welcome
[17:48]  * balloons +1
[17:48] <alourie> thanks gema for chairing and have you guys a great dinner
[17:49] <alourie> and welcome balloons, again :-)
[17:49] <hggdh> a good night to all, then
[17:49] <gema> thank you all for coming and for contributing
[17:49] <gema> #endmeeting
[17:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 17:49:18 2012 UTC.
[17:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-11-17.04.moin.txt
[17:49] <phillw> gema thanks for chairing, now you people at the sprint go and enjoy your dinner!
[17:49] <astraljava> Thanks gema et al!
[17:49] <charlie-tca> gema: thanks for chairing and thank you for getting things going on this.
[17:49] <hggdh> cheers
[17:49] <alourie> good night
[17:49]  * hggdh signs off
[17:49] <leworks> tchuss
[17:50] <txomon|nqas> byebye!
[17:50] <gema> bye!
[19:03] <highvoltage> Edubuntu meeting for tonight is in #edubuntu for those who are interested :)
[19:03]  * MrChrisDruif is only interested in logs ^_^
[20:03]  * gilir takes a seat :)
[20:05] <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu team meeting
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[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> o/
[20:06] <gilir> hi :)
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha
[20:06] <phillw> o/
[20:07] <jmarsden|work> o/
[20:07] <moergaes> Mörgæs
[20:07] <bioterror> \o I'm a leftie
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> Afaik is Unit193 not able to attend
[20:07] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, ok
[20:07] <gilir> it should be a quick meeting today :)
[20:07] <gilir> as usual, agenda is here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:08] <gilir> #topic Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
[20:08] <gilir> let's start with the teams, there are progress since last week
[20:09] <gilir> most of the team are created now, and the Subteam page is update : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams
[20:10] <gilir> it shoudl be ok to start with those, let see how it's working in the future :)
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, all the links to the launchpad pages are all there
[20:10] <gilir> just, please keep a mail active, so we can reach each team if we have a topic for them :)
[20:10] <gilir> at least, on the Launchpad page
[20:11] <jmarsden|work> Can we remove the bit about how to join the Old Teams?  People should join the new ones, not the old ones :)
[20:11] <phillw> gilir: I'm sure we all now have mailing lists from the lp pages.
[20:11] <gilir> jmarsden|work, yes :)
[20:11] <gilir> phillw, great :)
[20:12] <gilir> ok, let's continue
[20:12] <gilir> #topic Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
[20:12] <gilir> phillw, ^
[20:12] <gilir> :)
[20:13] <phillw> QA are at a sprint event, so a lot is going on. The iso's are now building again and we have a couple of new people in posts.
[20:13] <phillw> e.g. balloons crom canonical is our admin etc. I'll have a better update next week after the sprint.
[20:14] <phillw> /s/crom/from
[20:14] <phillw> gilir: and just to make you blush, your weekly update report is considered to be excellent :)
[20:14] <phillw> that's all from me.
[20:14] <gilir> yes, it's a busy week for canonical :)
[20:15] <gilir> hehe, thanks :)
[20:15] <jmarsden|work> phillw: I will have a Pandaboard (for ARM testing) in about a week or so, might be able to help testing ARM images once that arrives.
[20:15] <phillw> jmarsden|work: the arm team are quite busy, I'll get you patched in when you want.
[20:15] <jmarsden|work> OK.
[20:16] <phillw> busy as in making great strides forward!
[20:16] <gilir> jmarsden|work, cool :) we can talk about this when you will have the device in your hand :)
[20:16] <phillw> they are also at sprint :)
[20:16] <jmarsden|work> gilir: Yes, right now it is "in the mail"
[20:17] <gilir> jmarsden|work, it's christmas in january :)
[20:17] <gilir> ok, thanks phillw :)
[20:17] <jmarsden|work> I helped out someon people who had one but didn't know what to do with it... I volunteered to make use of it :)
[20:17] <gilir> #topic Weekly report - Update on Wiki / Docs team
[20:18] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, anything new from the Doc team ?
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> No, sorry about that. Been a busy week for me personally and also with the TV team
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> I did remove the old teams from the /SubTeams page just now.
[20:19] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, no problem, you have the right to report nothing :)
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> Other than that no updates.
[20:19] <gilir> ok thank MrChrisDruif :)
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[20:20] <gilir> I'll skip report from IRC (since Unit193 is away), and add a report from the devs
[20:20] <gilir> #topic Weekly report - Devs teams report
[20:21] <gilir> I'll assume for now the report of the team at the weekly meeting
[20:21] <gilir> so this week, our software-center was accepted in ubuntu repositories :)
[20:21] <MrChrisDruif> Great work gilir
[20:22] <gilir> if you want to keep the last version, you can still use the PPA
[20:22] <gilir> but be sure to report bugs ;)
[20:23] <gilir> 2 more items are available for testing
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> Which are?
[20:23] <gilir> 1° : the new session manager
[20:24] <gilir> I send a mail some weeks ago about it
[20:24] <gilir> for now, it should at least do the same that the previous version
[20:24] <gilir> and I would like to have some feedback from users, to know if there no problem using it
[20:25] <phillw> o/
[20:25] <phillw> is this for 12.04?
[20:25] <gilir> phillw, yes, the goal is to inlcude it in 12.04
[20:25] <phillw> I'll get it put on my VM
[20:25] <gilir> the PPA is https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/staging
[20:26] <gilir> thanks phillw :)
[20:26] <gilir> the 2° item is an update of the default settings
[20:26] <gilir> also available in the same PPA
[20:27] <gilir> ther is some bug fixes, but also some changes that I would like to have feedbacks
[20:27] <jmarsden|work> gilir: Does it kill off the default screensaver?  That's a change I'd like :)
[20:27] <gilir> jmarsden|work, yes, it should :)
[20:27] <jmarsden|work> Good!
[20:28] <gilir> it turns the screensaver to blank by default
[20:28] <gilir> we still need it to lock the screen
[20:28] <jmarsden|work> Yes, makes sense.
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> Can you name some of the changed settings for 12.04 which affect users?
[20:28] <gilir> changelog is at the first entry of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-default-settings/view/head:/debian/changelog
[20:28] <gilir> but most importants are :
[20:29] <gilir> Add a rule to maximize all new windows with type normal.
[20:29] <gilir> Place new windows on the monitor with the mouse, rather than the primary monitor.
[20:29] <gilir> Add a custom configuration file for xscreensaver, with blank mode by default
[20:29] <gilir> probably, the most visible is the first one :)
[20:30] <gilir> it means any application you launched is maximised
[20:30] <gilir> I tested it on my neetbook, and it's very confortable to not manually maximised the windows you launched
[20:31] <gilir> of course, it's a setting we can change in the futur, and it only affected new installation
[20:31] <jmarsden|work> Ewww, not sure I like that idea... but I'll try it before I complain too much :)  Yes, but not everyone uses netbooks ...
[20:32] <gilir> jmarsden|work, yes, that's why I would like some feedback before :)
[20:33] <gilir> Maybe I will upload it for Alpha 2, as I said, it can be reverted
[20:33]  * MrChrisDruif always maximizes windows
[20:33] <jmarsden|work> Understood.
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> Even on a "big" screen
[20:34] <jmarsden|work> I always leave a bit of desktop so I can right-click on it to use that menu... just different work habits.
[20:34] <gilir> finally, stefano started a new program to "replace" catfish
[20:35] <gilir> I didn' have time to look at it, but I doubt it will be ready for 12.04
[20:35] <gilir> but it should be available in a PPA at least for testing
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> And catfish did what again?
[20:36] <gilir> searching files
[20:36] <gilir> sorry, forget to mention it :)
[20:36] <gilir> that's all for me
[20:36] <MrChrisDruif> For use in PCmanFM?
[20:37] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, no, it's a separate application
[20:38] <gilir> anyone other questions before I end the meeting ?
[20:39] <jmarsden|work> Did we do anything about makiing it easier to autostart apps ?
[20:39] <gilir> jmarsden|work, the new session manager should do a better work
[20:39] <gilir> you can select application to start by type, instead of a list of commands
[20:39] <jmarsden|work> OK, good.  I had a request for that from someone preparing to switch from XP to Lubuntu on a bunch of older PCs in Africa...
[20:40] <gilir> so, you can disable for example the screesaver, the power-manager, even the panel if you want
[20:41] <gilir> currently, the improvement sof the new session manager are :
[20:41] <gilir> Add initial applications by default support (panel, screensaver ...). It's a way to configure applications started by default, rather than just adding a line in autostart
[20:41] <gilir>  * Add initial options support (Keymap, XRandr, Keyring). It's the ability to add some options add start-up, like a screen resolution (instead of using a .desktop file in autostart directory).
[20:41] <gilir> Add initial Dbus support (draft of org.lxde.SessionManager interface, GNOME compat mode)
[20:42] <gilir> not all are completed yet, but I hope have them ready for 12.04
[20:42] <jmarsden|work> Sounds good to me.
[20:42] <gilir> :)
[20:44] <gilir> ok, let's end the meeting for now, if you have question, we have a new shiny mailing list :p
[20:44] <gilir> thanks everyone :)
[20:45] <gilir> #endmeeting
[20:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 20:45:02 2012 UTC.
[20:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-11-20.05.moin.txt
[20:45] <phillw> gilir:  thanks for chairing :)
[20:45] <moergaes> Bye, everyone.