[00:00] <ali1234> yep, reproduced
[00:00] <popey> cool
[00:00] <popey> i am gonna pounce on the compiz/unity devs tomorrow
[00:01] <ali1234> i misread that as "punch"
[00:01] <popey> maybe
[00:01] <bigcalm> :D
[00:02] <ali1234> any chance you can get them to fix the white box bug?
[00:02] <popey> which bug?
[00:03] <ali1234> looking for it. i have like 200 bugs
[00:03] <popey> yeah, was just looking for it
[00:03] <ali1234> an lp search suuuuuuucks
[00:03] <bigcalm> Maybe that's why mrevil is recruiting
[00:03] <ali1234> bug 869628
[00:05] <ali1234> it's not rare at all
[00:05] <popey> i just discovered another bug
[00:05] <ali1234> after a while it happens with any and all minimized windows
[00:05] <popey> i have firefox full screen on one desktop, terminal on another, alt tab between you get a white box just before the desktop switches
[00:05] <ali1234> like when i was just culling firefox and terminals, over half of them were white boxes
[00:08] <popey> haha your bug
[00:08] <ali1234> white boxes?
[00:08] <popey> i love how you rm /var/crash/* ☺  I have to do that too
[00:09] <popey> oh _that_ bug
[00:09] <popey> yes, I get that
[00:10] <ali1234> damn is that my etc passwd as well? i need to be more careful when screenshots
[00:10] <ali1234> ha, you only just noticed the bug? was it not obvious that there was a problem fromt he screenshot?
[00:10] <popey> no, i had noticed it but accepted that it happened
[00:10] <ali1234> oh, "just got used to it"
[00:10] <popey> well rationalised it
[00:11] <popey> figured it was because compiz can't preview a minimised window
[00:11] <ali1234> it can though
[00:11] <popey> and throws away the old one
[00:11] <popey> or sommat
[00:11] <ali1234> it's supposed to
[00:11] <ali1234> sometimes the previews are really out of date as well
[00:11] <ali1234> like sometimes when downloading a big file, the ff download window still shows partial, when the file finished ages ago
[00:12] <ali1234> now that i think about it, i;m not sure if compiz can preview minimized or not
[00:12] <ali1234> if it can't, you'd think that someone would have mentioned that when the whole idea of the switcher came up
[00:12] <ali1234> cos it makes it terribly hard to actually use
[00:13] <popey> right, i can reproduce that really easily
[00:13] <ali1234> it might explain why unity always unminimizes every window of a group before displaying the switcher though
[00:13] <popey> so i can show someone
[00:13] <ali1234> which in itself is quite annoying
[00:13] <popey> just minimising my irc and opening a new terminal then alt-tab and wait for previews
[00:14] <ali1234> i think those are my two top bugs right now
[00:14] <ali1234> not switching to the workspace with most of the window on it, and white boxes
[00:14] <ali1234> i noticed a lot of my other bugs getting fixed recently so that's good
[00:15] <ali1234> i think all the other bugs i have are multi monitor only
[00:15] <ali1234> or design issues that have no chance of getting changed
[00:15] <popey> multi-monitor is a big focus for them
[00:15] <popey> i know that, was having a chat about it today
[00:15] <popey> problem is it involves a huge number of people
[00:15] <ali1234> well issue number 1 is there's no launcher on the second monitor
[00:16] <ali1234> is there a tag or something that i should add to multimonitor specific bugs?
[00:17] <ali1234> all these real dual head bugs are a bit trivial, just mildly annoying, you know
[00:19] <i-pink> hii
[00:19] <i-pink> how i can get the audio levels?
[00:20] <i-pink> someone here?
[00:20] <popey> ali1234: multimonitor
[00:20] <popey> bug 843958 for example
[00:20] <i-pink> i'm mean like a value in bash
[00:21] <popey> i-pink: try pacmd ?
[00:21] <i-pink> sudo apt-get install pacmd ??
[00:22] <i-pink> i get "Welcome to PulseAudio! Use "help" for usage information"
[00:22] <popey> so do I.
[00:22] <i-pink> i typed "help" and i get bunch of commands
[00:23] <popey> hmm, not as useful as I had hoped, most of the info is quite technical
[00:23] <popey> what do you mean by 'audio levels'
[00:23] <popey> like you see in alsamixer?
[00:23] <i-pink> like vu meter
[00:24] <ali1234> you just want a visible vu meter on the screen?
[00:24] <i-pink> no no
[00:24] <popey> ahh
[00:24] <zleap> i have a simple css thing on my website that displays photos and on hovering over it make that photo bigger slightly works in firefox FAILS in IE 8 under XP  firefox - win
[00:25] <popey> write better CSS ☺
[00:25] <popey> ali1234: ping me daytime tomorrow and I'll go poke someone about those bugs
[00:25] <i-pink> popey, i want to send "1 logic" in serial when i get more than X dB sound in my mic
[00:26] <zleap> hmm,  i got the code from a website,  i am not worried about IE i don't use it,
[00:26] <ali1234> i just tagged a few multimonitor bugs
[00:26] <zleap> i just got XP installed on my other PC and thought I would see if my website worked properly
[00:26] <ali1234> one of them was unity 2d though
[00:29] <Azelphur> Haha, some pirate website is hotlinking images from a friend of mine, so he's replaced the image with a big "WE ARE TOO CHEAP TO PAY FOR OUR OWN BANDWIDTH" banner :D
[00:29] <bigcalm> I give up for the night
[00:29] <bigcalm> Night peeps
[04:40] <ohno> Is anyone here?
[04:40] <ohno> i need help
[08:06] <popey> Morning
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: good news? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16493929
[08:08] <daubers> Morning
[08:08] <ts2> probably just re-branding and buzz-words
[08:08] <popey> its interesting
[08:08] <popey> believe it when i see it
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> well sure, it's the government
[08:09]  * daubers wonders how long it'll take them to put together an outreach campaign to get local businesses to help them achieve this
[08:10] <ts2> the reason "IT" is boring is because (when I was at school) it was 90% "How to use Microsoft Office"
[08:10] <ts2> and once we use FrontPage to make a web page
[08:18] <popey> it still is ts2
[08:22]  * daubers wonders if his book will arrive today
[08:22] <daubers> I have some awesome visualisations to achieve
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> daubers: which book?
[08:23] <daubers> MartijnVdS: This one http://glbook.gamedev.net/GLBOOK/glbook.gamedev.net/boglgp2/index.html
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ooh shiny
[08:25] <daubers> I'm going to have to train people in weird parts of the world soon on how to make NAS systems performant (including network stuff) so want to make some awesome visualisations to make it stick
[08:25]  * daubers is hoping for a free trip to Oz \o/
[08:25] <DJones> Morning
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> \o DJones
[08:26] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Free trips to Oz are always nice to get :)
[08:26] <DJones> Put the red shoes and click your heels daubers
[08:26] <daubers> DJones: Nah, mums shoes don't fit me
[08:26] <DJones> I can lend you some of my wifes, anywhere between an 7.5 and 9 shoe size
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> you have multiple wives?
[08:27] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Seems like it at times, going on the amount of earache I ger
[08:27] <DJones> get
[08:27] <daubers> DJones: Too small again... looks like it'll need to be a plane ticket after all
[08:30] <daubers> If there's an oggcamp this year, I might put a talk together based on my training materials
[08:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[08:52] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:11] <DJones> virgin broadband users ->
[09:11] <DJones> 09:07 <    DJones> There's lava in this cavern as well
[09:12] <DJones> Grr http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16491614?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[09:12] <DJones> Doubling customer broadband speeds
[09:13] <popey> ali1234: showed both those compiz bugs to the compiz and unity guys.. their reaction was a bemused 'woah!'
[09:13] <popey> I am assigning them to dbo (Jason Smith)
[09:14] <popey> although on the subject of white boxes he said 'hey dude, stop minimising shit!'
[09:14] <popey> and 'just use 9 desktops, that what I do!'
[09:21] <popey> bug 869628
[09:32] <JamesTait> Good morning, everyone! :D
[09:36] <daubers> Exciting book has arrived \o/
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[09:49] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16493929
[09:49] <occupy64k> That's a very good idea
[09:50] <occupy64k> It's in keeping with the Rushkoff narrative
[09:52] <occupy64k> Also I expect that it has something to do with people who grew up in the 1980s being in positions of political influence.
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> Too bad Dutch politicians never learned about Dijkstra :(
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> we'll be stuck with Excel and Word education for a LONG time
[09:55] <occupy64k> Teaching kids Word and Excel is preparing them for a world which really no longer exists
[09:57] <occupy64k> In the 1980s wordprocessing and spreadsheets were about the only "serious" things which computers could do
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> It's not on the agenda of any party in .nl
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> Bashing immigrants is much more important, it seems :(
[09:57] <occupy64k> My dutch friends would concur with that
[10:05] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Everyone needs a scapegoat!
[10:06] <occupy64k> Anyway I hope they do start teaching CS in schools
[10:07] <occupy64k> It's relatively easy for kids to learn programming.  Learning French or German is much harder.
[10:08] <gordonjcp> occupy64k: python!
[10:08] <occupy64k> See the Douglas Rushkoff book "program or be programmed"
[10:08] <gordonjcp> occupy64k: re people growing up in the 80s occupying politics
[10:08] <occupy64k> python is good
[10:10] <gordonjcp> I'm really keen to see what the next few years bring, particularly when those of us in our mid-to-late 30s who remember Black Monday and the guts dropping out of the stock market in a second
[10:10] <occupy64k> http://youtu.be/JKAzZocdQ1Y
[10:11] <gordonjcp> even the most staunchly large- and small-C conservatives I know that are about ages with me are really, really keen to keep things building so high and then falling
[10:12] <occupy64k> The flash crashes are profitable for quote stuffers
[10:41] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:42] <silner> Hello s-fox
[10:42] <s-fox> Hello silner , how are you?
[10:42] <silner> Not bad
[10:43] <silner> Haven't been on IRC in a while though and forgotten most of the chans I used to use
[10:43] <silner> If I was smart I woulda saved a list :)
[10:45] <s-fox> Haha
[11:19] <bigcalm> Does vbox allow you to run 64bit OSs?
[11:20] <bigcalm> It's been a while since I've messed with virtual machines
[11:20] <awilkins> bigcalm, Yes, vbox lets you run a 64-bit OS, as long as your CPU supports hardware virtualization
[11:20] <bigcalm> *shrug* :)
[11:21] <bigcalm> How would I check that?
[11:21] <awilkins> 1) Try it and if it fails with an error about vtx, it doesn't work
[11:22] <awilkins> 2) Look in your BIOS (a lot of units are shipped with it disabled by default)
[11:22] <awilkins> You'd be surprised how many units are shipped with it disabled (out of spite, I think, in the server market - they don't want you virtualizing servers and buying less hardware without paying for the privilege)
[11:23] <bigcalm> This is a workstation
[11:23] <awilkins> Most modern CPUs *support* it, but whether it's enabled on your hardware is another question
[11:24] <bigcalm> Acer Veriton M460
[11:24] <bigcalm> Good point
[11:24]  * awilkins has no clue
[11:24] <awilkins> try cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:25] <awilkins> But I have no idea which flags you need to support it :-)
[11:25] <awilkins> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-processor-supports-vt/
[11:25] <awilkins> vmx
[11:26] <bigcalm> vmx is listed on all 4 processors
[11:26] <davmor2> morning all
[11:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod how's life?
[11:26] <bigcalm> Shame this machine can only support up to 4gb
[11:26]  * popey pokes jnick_tait with a stick
[11:27] <awilkins> bigcalm, It is deficient in slots? A laptop?
[11:27] <bigcalm> How little a HD can I get away with for MS Windows Server
[11:27] <bigcalm> awilkins: mobo doesn't support more than 4gb
[11:27] <jnick_tait> jnick_tait bleeds from recently popey inflicted stick wound
[11:27] <popey> http://www.moderncat.net/2011/02/25/introducing-urbancatdesign-new-line-of-modern-cat-furniture-from-the-netherlands/
[11:27] <awilkins> bigcalm, Erk... I've seen reports that Windows 7 now eats about 16GB for it's base  install, so I shudder to think how much disk the server edition needs
[11:27] <popey> CATS!
[11:27] <popey> and DESIGN!
[11:28] <bigcalm> :(
[11:28] <awilkins> bigcalm, Give it as large an image as you can tolerate, and make it dynamic
[11:28] <bigcalm> Looks like I'm going to have to hook up the spinning rust againt
[11:28] <awilkins> That way at least it only eats as much as it uses
[11:28] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:29] <bigcalm> I have 25gb free on my ssd. The ISO download is 4gb
[11:29] <awilkins> Ow
[11:29] <awilkins> Get a 32-bit SD card to put it on?
[11:29] <awilkins> Sorry, 32GB
[11:29] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:30] <bigcalm> I also have a 320gb usb hd not in use. Not sure it would like it though
[11:30] <awilkins> I know the feeling, I have a 64GB SSD for my working image... working on a storage-hungry Java application and feeling the itch to trade up to 128GB
[11:30] <awilkins> Which now costs what the 64GB one did when I bought it
[11:31] <awilkins> I love SSDs for portable external work drives though
[11:31] <bigcalm> I have a 120gb ssd on order from Amazon. But that's going in the laptop
[11:31] <awilkins> I'd gone through three spinning rust units due to headcrashes before I bought it
[11:31] <bigcalm> At least the 4gb ISO is downloading at 3.7mb/s
[11:32] <bigcalm> Look forward to that doubling some time in the next 18 months. Thank you VM ;)
[11:32] <awilkins> Heh, yes, hooray for 30Mbit/s * 2
[11:32] <awilkins> Not sure what I'd DO with 60Mbit/s
[11:32] <bigcalm> Download ISOs
[11:32] <awilkins> There must be some ulterior motive for them, maybe they are doing their own media-on-demand business
[11:33] <awilkins> Or they are just feeling the pressure from BTs offering
[11:33] <bigcalm> That's already the case
[11:33] <awilkins> There is a limit to the number of ISO images I can profitably use in a day
[11:33] <bigcalm> As well as catch up tv (iplayer et al), there is tv and film on demand (depending upon your tv package size)
[11:34] <awilkins> I have the base one
[11:34] <awilkins> And I don't have a set-top box
[11:35] <awilkins> We are a FreeView / MythTV house
[11:35] <bigcalm> popey: cool link :)
[11:35] <bigcalm> awilkins: ah, fair enough
[11:36] <awilkins> We very occasionally use iPlayer but otherwise the TB of storage in the MythTV box is enough
[11:37] <awilkins> Well, I say "enough", but I think if I shoved another TB in there, wifelet would fill THAT with cheesy old Doris Day movies too.
[11:37] <bigcalm> Would she watch them?
[11:38] <awilkins> Or yet another production of Pride and Prejudice (what IS it about that thing that women love?)
[11:38] <bigcalm> My mum seems to record everything on telly and watches a little
[11:38] <awilkins> bigcalm, The watching is optional. I think I may have to adjust my auto-expiry policy to start expiring unwatched content though.
[11:38] <bigcalm> The fantasy I think. The hope that they too could live that life
[11:39] <Dave2> Argh, Pride and Prejudice. I think I must subconsciously know when it's being discussed somewhere.
[11:39] <awilkins> They want years of crippling emotional frustration and systematized gender repression where their only worth is their ability to attract a husband with a good income... odd
[11:40] <bigcalm> The clothes are pretty and they don't have to work
[11:41] <awilkins> Yeah... I also have issues with the social strata portrayed in these things ; it's pretty much the period equivalent of a Hello magazine shoot of the 1%
[11:41] <awilkins> At least Dickens got into the gritty end of things
[11:43] <awilkins> "The clothes are pretty and they don't have to work" ; that also seems to apply to the gentlemen (although I do like some of their coats)
[11:45] <awilkins> Kickstarter project : Movie - "Pride and Extreme Prejudice" : a modern 21st century girl is time-travelled back to the 18th century and starts the gender revolution slightly earlier than planned....
[11:46] <bigcalm> :D
[11:46] <awilkins> (then breaks down in tears and admits that all she really wants is to be cared for by a gentleman who earns £50,000 a year and looks good in a wet shirt and tight jodphurs climbing out of a lake)
[11:47] <bigcalm> Oh dear :)
[11:50] <bigcalm> This doesn't look good
[11:50] <bigcalm> usb hd isn't showing up
[11:51] <bigcalm> I would tail -f /var/log/messages, but it doesn't exist :S
[11:53] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:53] <bigcalm> USB cable was plugged into the machine but not into the drive :)
[11:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: D'oh
[12:12] <bigcalm> Windows setup cannie cope
[12:12] <bigcalm> This is eating my day :(
[12:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: It's windows what did you expect?
[12:17] <bigcalm> I don't know what to expect from anything any more
[12:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: Muhahaha
[12:18] <bigcalm> I'm tired but will now throw myself at the mercy of the wii fit
[12:41] <awilkins> bigcalm, Usually log messages about drive insertions will also end up in /var/log/kern.log
[12:42]  * awilkins hates setting up Windows, always some problem with storage hardware
[12:42] <awilkins> And then the inevitable 10 reboot cycles for updates
[12:42] <awilkins> Locating driver packs online
[12:42] <awilkins> *sob*
[12:58] <daubers> Urgh.. fibre glass insulation is horrid
[13:01] <awilkins> daubers, Yes.
[13:02] <awilkins> Squirrels got into our loft and made a mess of ours too
[13:02] <daubers> I've just been in the roof of a house I'm looking at buying
[13:02] <awilkins> Made nests out of it. I hope they itched.
[13:02] <daubers> so now I itch
[13:02] <gordonjcp> fibreglass itchulation
[13:03] <awilkins> Replaced it with the stuff that comes in mylar bag/roll
[13:03] <awilkins> Was half price in local DIY shop
[13:03] <awilkins> Well, by replaced I mean "supplemented what little scraps the bastard squirrels left"
[13:04] <awilkins> The squirrels... are no longer an issue.
[13:09] <daubers> awilkins: 12 bore?
[13:09] <awilkins> daubers, Cage trap + peanut butter
[13:09] <daubers> heh
[13:30] <dewar_> hello
[13:30] <daubers> Hello
[13:30] <dewar_> Im running linux and need some help
[13:30] <daubers> dewar_: Ask away :)
[13:31] <dewar_> I have ubuntu distro installed and running fine
[13:31] <dewar_> i had it all set up to run kde and that works great
[13:31] <dewar_> then i installed the LXDE and have that working and its fantastic
[13:31] <dewar_> but now dont know how to get back to kde
[13:32] <daubers> did you install lxde from the software center?
[13:32] <daubers> (or from apt-get on the command line)?
[13:32] <shauno> you should be able to select a 'session' at the login screen; after you select a user (or type in your username), but before you've completed the login, the option will be present
[13:32] <dewar_> from the muon softwar center
[13:33] <daubers> dewar_: As shauno says, there should be a "session" option at the login screen
[13:33] <dewar_> ok ill have a look thanks
[13:33] <shauno> sorry, didn't mean to jump ya there.  just too far long to type on this
[13:34] <daubers> shauno: No probs :)
[13:34] <daubers> shauno: Phone?
[13:34] <shauno> nah, just spent enough time off work that having full-travel keys again is interesting
[13:35] <dewar__> that was easy
[13:36] <dewar__> cool
[13:36] <dewar__> thanks, there lots to learn but its a lot of fun
[13:36] <shauno> awesome.  I'm not sure 'session' is the most intuitive name, but once you know it's there .. :)
[13:39] <davmor2> tonytiger: good news for you dude http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/corel-aftershot-pro-brings-lightroom-competitor-to-linux/
[13:40] <tonytiger> davmor2: No great change really. It's only a re-badged version of Bibble, which I already use.
[13:41] <davmor2> tonytiger: :( here I am trying to help out you semi pro photographers and that's the thanks I get ;)
[13:42] <tonytiger> davmor2: :)
[13:43] <tonytiger> Actually, Corel buying Bibble raises more questions about long term support for Linux, as Corel haven't exactly embraced it for their other apps.
[13:43] <shauno> neat - I didn't know Corel still existed
[13:44] <shauno> they've tried on & off over the years, but it never seems to end well.  they even had their own distro at the end of the 90s
[13:44] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to successfully add a rss feed to linkedin? I don't have an account nor do I wish to. A client seems to be struggling with the feed I created
[13:44] <davmor2> tonytiger: I'm waiting for corel linux 2 to make you eat those words ;)
[13:47] <Dave2> I must admit, I didn't realize Corel were still around.
[13:50] <davmor2> tonytiger: you're right though they are identical
[13:53] <tonytiger> Well, very similar. Aftershot has had a bit of UI polish
[14:09] <gord> sometimes get the feeling that all my android apps are just fixing what should be basic functionality
[14:09] <gord> had to pay £4 for something that would block unknown calls
[14:10]  * MartijnVdS gives gord the SDK
[14:12] <awilkins> Providers don't want that built into the platform... they wouldn't be able to offer it as a chargeable service...
[14:13] <awilkins> When you see the list of things that providers charge even ${local_currency}1 for you cry inside as a techy
[14:13] <awilkins> I mean, some of them, they must have made a choice and blocked or disabled them so they can charge you to switch them back on...
[14:33] <bigcalm> That puts an end to my attempts of installing windows small business server. It requires a minimum of 160gb free space
[14:35] <gordonjcp> wtf
[14:35] <gordonjcp> *how* much?
[14:36] <bigcalm> That's what I thought
[14:37] <bigcalm> It didn't get that far to tell me when trying to install on a vbox, so I booted up my old workstation to try and install it on a physical machine
[14:38] <bigcalm> For amusement, I then rebooted the machine to see what I had installed on it already - 8.04 LTS
[14:38] <bigcalm> I haven't used that machine for almost 4 years now
[15:02] <bigcalm> I found a 500gb drive, installation continues!
[15:10] <AdvoWork> just done a fresh install of 11.04 on a laptop. Im trying to change the desktop back to the classic. It says search for Login screen and change it that way, yet i can't find that option. Searching for Login only shows the user accounts sections. Any ideas please?
[15:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] YO - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/11/yo/
[15:13] <daubers> AdvoWork: Should be a sessions option on that screen, it will be in there
[15:13] <daubers> at the bottom
[15:14] <popey> AdvoWork: you need to logout
[15:14] <popey> to get the login screen
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> You need to click "Start" to shut down!
[15:26] <bigcalm> ?
[15:26] <bigcalm> Which OS are you using?
[15:27] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS is such a tease
[15:28] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: on the login screen you should by default have a cog icon to the right of the username which allows you to select the session type
[15:28] <AlanBell> I think you need to install the gnome-session-fallback package to get the classic look
[15:32] <shauno> does the session thing still do the trick where it doesn't show up until you've already selected a user?
[15:33] <popey> no
[15:33] <shauno> haven't seen lightdm yet, but that used to be my favourite gotcha with gdm
[15:44] <AdvoWork> AlanBell, ive logged out, and on the left hand side i see the username listed, and a cog. I click that but nothing happens(no menu's) or anything else either
[15:44] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: hmm, interesting, it should look like this: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/08/return-to-ubuntu-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[15:44] <AdvoWork> but also from that screen, i cant press the button to close the computer, or the sound etc. Its like it has crashed, yet i can still type and move the mouse
[15:45] <AdvoWork> AlanBell, i get the same login screen, but no options. Let me reboot and try again just incase
[15:46] <AdvoWork> now i can click on the cog, but the only options I get are Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D
[15:46] <daubers> Are you on 11.10?
[15:47] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: ok, did you install gnome-session-fallback?
[15:47] <AdvoWork> AlanBell, only just spotted that, trying now. and daubers yeah
[15:47] <daubers> ah! Thought you where on 11.04 initially, that had gnome-session-fallback by default, 11.10 doesn't
[15:50] <ali1234> how could i make a shell script that kills all other running instances of itself?
[15:51] <ali1234> ah i can use killall --older-than
[15:53] <AdvoWork> that worked thanks, but now my System menu is missing Applications Places then normally System. Can I reenable that somehow? Im looking for Update Manager
[16:03] <jutnux> Hello gents
[16:03] <jutnux> and ladies
[16:04] <AlanBell> nice recovery jutnux ;)
[16:04] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: sorry, not sure about that one
[16:04] <jutnux> Yes, I forgot daubers was in here ;)
[16:04] <jutnux> Haha, I don't want to be perceived as sexist ;-)
[16:05] <jutnux> Aww, my Sister is asking me about keyboard shortcuts. Next step, Ubuntu.
[16:08] <AdvoWork> how can i access gconf-editor if Alt + F2 wont worjk?
[16:08] <jutnux> AdvoWork: Cntrl+Alt+T
[16:09] <jutnux> type gksudo gconf-editor
[16:10] <AdvoWork> jutnux, that crashes it for some reason "unable to locate theme engine in module_path pitxmap
[16:11] <jutnux> sudo aptitude install gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[16:11] <jutnux> apt-get
[16:11] <jutnux> not aptitude, my bad
[16:11] <jutnux> See if that works, it should work anyway though.
[16:22] <dewar____> hi, whats the quickest way to swich sessions in lxde?
[16:40] <jutnux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S9a5V9ODuY
[17:25] <dogmatic69> how can I remove the d flag on file permissions?
[17:27] <AlanBell> that means it is a directory
[18:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Social Ubuntu TV - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/11/social-ubuntu-tv/
[18:11] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[19:28] <jutnux> Sherlock is so gooooooooooood
[19:36] <davmor2> popey: I didn't know you had done an advert for moneysupermarket.com everyone will start calling you Brian you know
[19:40] <davmor2> Tell me this isn't popey http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2012/01/06/moneysupermarket-launches-new-epic-ad-set-las-vegas :D
[19:42] <AlanBell> I was going to tell you to stop being so silly
[19:42] <AlanBell> but then I watched it
[19:43] <jandro> does anyone know of a good alternative to torrentflux-b4rt with multi-user support and is web-based? cheers
[19:43] <jacobw> christ
[19:43] <jacobw> that's scary
[19:47] <gord> no crazy eyes
[19:47] <jacobw> http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/11/1332222/british-schoolchildren-to-get-programming-lessons
[20:27] <kvarley1> Is it possible to start an X environment from an SSH session?
[21:52] <gord> ugh ubuntu events, my hotel wifi is currently measured in bytes per second =\
[21:53] <brobostigon> :(
[21:57] <gord> apparently not enough internet to run google plus really
[21:57] <brobostigon> wow.
[21:57] <brobostigon> can you get 3g/hsdpa/lte/4g etc?
[21:58] <gord> at like £2 a meg yeah ;)
[21:58] <brobostigon> ouch
[22:00] <gordonjcp> gord: :-)
[22:02] <gord> phones just sitting there disconnecting and reconnecting. the poor thing, it'll drain its battery
[22:02] <mattt> think it's a sign you should go out and drink :)
[22:15] <gord> coffee? at the starbucks down the road? that has free wifi?
[22:17] <mattt> DRINK
[22:50] <mgdm> I'm going to recompile Adium without that %^$£ Attention button
[22:51] <mgdm> it's pointless and too easy to hit
[22:56] <AlanBell> one hour to get your bids in http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-beta-board-01-limited-series-10-/180786868894?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a17bcb29e