[10:50] <rmg51> Morning
[13:45]  * InHisName comes back for another round of 'good mornings'
[13:54] <JonathanD> Morning!
[14:08] <adom> morning!
[14:13] <InHisName> mid morning !
[14:21] <rmg51> morning  again
[14:45] <JonathanD> howdy adom, InHisName, rmg51
[14:46] <InHisName> howdy, JonathanD - what are u up to today ?
[14:46] <JonathanD> soldering!
[14:46] <JonathanD> poorly.
[14:48] <InHisName> I did a lousy soldering job back in 7th grade metal shop.  Making a letter holder.
[14:50] <JonathanD> I couldn't find a suitable power cord for this snapgear
[14:50] <JonathanD> so I soldered leads to it.
[14:50] <InHisName> I do MUCH better with little wires to each other, components to ckt boards etc.
[14:51] <JonathanD> I love listening to disk spin up.
[14:52] <InHisName> I have a Perkin-Elmer disk drive I could sell you for the GREAT start up sounds.
[14:54] <InHisName> 5 meg removable and 5 meg fixed.   14" platters.   Doesn't pop a 15A breaker at startup.  So can use at home even.
[14:55] <JonathanD> heh :p
[14:55] <InHisName> Works with an older buss than PCI ----> S100
[14:55] <JonathanD> No thanks ;)
[14:55] <InHisName> So if you need an IMSAI computer to go with that ........
[14:55] <InHisName> I have a couple
[14:56] <JonathanD> I think you need to clean out the cloest.
[14:56] <JonathanD> *closet
[14:56] <InHisName> Wont fit in closet.
[14:56] <JonathanD> I meant that in the... never mind. You know what I meant :p
[14:56] <InHisName> Wife would be EXCITED about the added real-estate in the basement
[14:56] <JonathanD> InHisName: and thats exactly why I can't get anything else ;)
[14:57] <JonathanD> Have you seen my basement? :)
[14:57] <InHisName> So you're stuck reading flat screen ads, while using NTSC tvs at home also ?
[14:58] <InHisName> My wife complains she can't see her OWN.
[14:58] <JonathanD> I just have an excess of computer equipment.
[15:00] <InHisName> 9 PCs, 2 S100, 2 lappys, and oh yeah - one HP touchpad
[15:00] <JonathanD> I have you beat. Although you win on "most S100s"
[15:00] <InHisName> not counting the dismantled ones
[15:02] <JonathanD> http://jdsnetwork.com/images/100_2770.JPG My servers. I have 8 Dell desktops in the basement, an HP desktop for the kids, a gaming machine for me, 4 thinkpads of various ages, and crissis lenovo. (non thinkpad version).
[15:03] <JonathanD> and a dozen or so more dells under the porch.
[15:03] <JonathanD> when we moved, I left an 8 foot stack of towers in the dining room for a scrap guy who came to take them for the aluminum.
[15:03] <JonathanD> I can't bring anything else home. I'll be shot :P
[15:03] <InHisName> Oh I remember that picture - the fancy IBM stack
[15:04] <JonathanD> My little vmware cluster.
[15:04] <InHisName> I've listed a few more interesting items on craigslist.   No calls.
[15:04] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  which items are you listing on CL?
[15:05] <InHisName> 350Mhz PC  with real Pentium II
[15:06] <JonathanD> My switches are available. If anyone still wants 100Mbit stuff.
[15:06] <InHisName> LARGE CRT monitor 21"    No calls.
[15:07] <EvilResistance> JonathanD:  how much are you selling a single switch for?  I've used the switches up i have lying around for my cluster of windows sandbox servers (MSDN does have some advantages)
[15:08] <JonathanD> EvilResistance: 1 beer.
[15:08] <JonathanD> EvilResistance: far as I'm concerned, you can have them.
[15:08] <InHisName> whot a deal EvilResistance
[15:08] <JonathanD> They have to be used together or you have to find a management module for the second one.
[15:08] <JonathanD> They connect via a SCSI cable, which I have.
[15:09] <JonathanD> and act as a single 48 port 100Mbit switch.
[15:09] <EvilResistance> ooh
[15:09] <EvilResistance> that'd actually be useful
[15:09] <JonathanD> I was using them for network traffic with a seperate small gigglebit switch for iscsi.
[15:09] <EvilResistance> brb
[15:11] <EvilResistance> JonathanD:  how much do you want for em, or are you just freely giving them away (in which case, expect me to pay for shipping)
[15:11] <JonathanD> EvilResistance: They're yours if you want them. No charge.
[15:11] <JonathanD> I believe I got them from someone at plug for free myself.
[15:13] <EvilResistance> how generous of you :P  and how lucky for you too.  i've got classes until 13:00 GMT-0500 but we can touch base via email regarding shipping costs, because I'd be more than happy to cover for them. (you can tell i'm interested in em :P)
[15:13] <JonathanD> EvilResistance: where are you located?
[15:14] <EvilResistance> JonathanD:  harrisburg pa +- 10 miles
[15:14] <EvilResistance> zip 17057 if that helps
[15:14] <JonathanD> We may be out harrisburg way in a few weeks.
[15:14] <waltman> You've missed the Farm Show :(
[15:15] <EvilResistance> :P
[15:15] <JonathanD> waltman: I know.
[15:15] <JonathanD> waltman: thanks for coming the other night, btw.
[15:15] <EvilResistance> JonathanD:  probly easier to ship.  harrisburg's the generally closest city, but as i'm out at Penn State Harrisburg Campus (out in middletown, pa), if you're just passing through, it'd be easier to ship em
[15:15] <waltman> Here's the south jersey rodeo I was telling you about -- http://www.cowtownrodeo.com/
[15:15] <JonathanD> EvilResistance: ok.
[15:16] <JonathanD> EvilResistance: can't check them tonight, I'm going down to hive.
[15:16] <InHisName> You farm boys, did you ever watch a PBS program called "RedGreen"
[15:19] <adom> <-- grew up on a 177acre farm. never heard of RedGreen show.
[15:35] <InHisName> http://www.pbs.org/redgreen/
[15:36] <InHisName> Episode #1 - "The Big Inboard"       .    .    .    .   ..  . The men at the lodge build a huge outboard motor out of a V8 engine. Red demonstrates the belt sander. Harold discusses sex education and bill teaches canoeing.
[15:40] <InHisName> RedGreen shown on Harrisburg WITF-TV Channel 33 
[15:40] <InHisName> Ohhh and its suposedly on chan 12 too in Philly
[15:44] <JonathanD> if red is red then who is green?
[15:45] <InHisName> Harold Green ?      Or maybe Bill Smith ?   (played by Rick Green)
[15:47] <EvilResistance> JonathanD:  feel free to email me at trekcaptainusa-tw@ubuntu.com when you've checked them, i'll check that throughout the day.
[15:52] <JonathanD> EvilResistance: ok. Probably be tomorrow morning.
[16:35] <MutantTurkey> I don't understand this problem, I need to think of a solution
[16:35] <JonathanD> 42
[16:36] <MutantTurkey> A page loads taking 2.2 seconds of preprocessing time. The function called takes 1 second. If I comment out the function, it drops by 1 second
[16:36] <MutantTurkey> YET. when I time the function with microtime, it tells me that it is taking almost no time at all. tenths of a second.
[16:36] <MutantTurkey> either I am reading the microtimes wrong or echoing is taking a lot of time
[19:44] <adom> i need to print a bunch of small pieces of paper that say the same thing. imagine taking 2-3 lines of text and printing 10-20 pieces of paper on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper. like making an 8.5x11 paper into business cards.
[19:44] <adom> using windows or ubuntu
[19:44] <adom> trying to figure out how Microsoft Word could do it
[19:45] <waltman> adom: maybe make a table and copy the same text into each cell?
[19:45]  * waltman shrugs
[19:45] <waltman> it's easy to do in LaTeX :)
[19:46] <adom> waltman: 1. don't know LaTeX and don't plan on learning it. 2. don't want to copy paste, want something that i can change the text and reprint if necessary
[19:46] <adom> im sure its possible in Word, just need to figure it out
[19:47] <waltman> Then it sounds like you might need to script it, which is beyond my meager Word skills.
[19:49] <adom> .vbs scripting just to make an 8.5x11 into business cards seems excessive
[19:49] <waltman> maybe you could find an open source address label app you could hack up to do what you want?
[19:49] <adom> thats possible maybe...
[19:50] <waltman> Googling for "open source business cards" returns a number of possibilities...
[19:51] <waltman> You realize, of course, that there are many companies that will print up business cards to order for a small fee?
[19:52] <adom> yeah but its not for business cards. im creating little password reset cards to give students when we reset their passwords to remember the temporary one.
[19:55] <waltman> Aha!
[19:56] <waltman> In debian there's a package called signing-party, and in that there's "gpg-key2ps: generate PostScript file with fingerprint paper strips".
[19:57] <waltman> It prints up your gpg public keys in an n-by-2 table in postscript. Maybe you could change around that to print the reset cards.
[19:58] <waltman> It's just a perl script. It shouldn't be too hard to modify.
[19:58] <adom> meh. found the envelopes and labels feature in Word, that should do it.
[19:58] <adom> for reference: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/170130
[20:01] <waltman> I'm sure there are lots of folks in the ubuntu channel looking for references to Microsoft Word documentation :)
[20:44] <adom> almost had it, but gave up for the day
[20:44] <adom> its one of those things i keep telling myself ill do but never get done
[20:44] <adom> i like verbally telling students the new temporary password because then theres no pieces of paper lying in the lab with the students temp password