[08:08] Conference? [08:14] Unit193: Canonical rally [08:14] Yea, didn't know one was going on now, but figured it out with "@conference/canonical-sprint/x-aftyeckbpmgjwupv" [10:05] xubuntu alternates no longer oversized, live images are still though [11:48] mr_pouit: I haven't merged murrine-themes since I wasn't sure if our snapshot was ahead of Debian or not [14:25] oversized images? just rip out the gimp! :) [14:44] Nooo! Without gimp, you can't scale down the images. *blink* *blink* [14:45] haha [14:45] i wonder how much space 'convert' takes up. [14:46] It's in the imagemagick package. Probably could separate it, taking very little. [14:48] heh, the whole imagemagick takes < 300kb. gimp takes 14mb .... i figure there's no need for a split-up :) [14:49] Sure, but you specifically asked for convert. :) [14:49] *only [14:59] indeed :) [15:12] The live session starts with compositing enabled now? Doesn't that severely limit those who are looking for a light-weight OS and can't use compositing? [15:14] not really i think :) [15:14] NO? What about video cards that are unable to use that and therefore, fail to start the live session? [15:15] That probably explains a lot of the video failures we get reported, where all they get is a black screen. [15:18] ok, i didnt know that. sorry :( [15:20] It also increases the required memory [15:46] Crap. Alarm's custom command won't be stopped if you stop the alarm that just went off. [15:47] Yeah, I noticed that too. It is a change from a couple of releases back, too. [15:47] It used to turn off both the on-screen indicator and the alarm [15:48] That's what I thought. [15:52] I just added the alarm sounds back here, or I might have noticed it a lot sooner [15:55] appologies to Unit193 and GridCube. They have been documenting testing results, but it seems quite difficult to find the results from daily testing after the next image is out. [16:01] I just realized a moment ago. [16:12] astraljava: where do you find alarms in xubuntu? you mean orage? [16:14] nanotube: It's the alarm applet. I'm not sure where it belongs to, but adding it makes it appear in the applet list of indicator plugin. [16:15] astraljava: is that one of the things you can add to panel? i don't see anything called 'alarm' in there... [16:15] maybe it's an extra package [16:15] ? [16:16] Yeah. One sec. [16:16] $ dpkg -l | grep alarm [16:16] ii alarm-clock 1.2.5-1.2 Alarm Clock for GTK Environments [16:16] xfce4-timer-plugin ? [16:16] ii alarm-clock-applet 0.3.2-1ubuntu1 Alarm Clock applet [16:16] ah [16:17] thanks :) [16:18] NP. I'm not sure whether charlie-tca meant this one, but it used to work prior to oneiric. Not sure how far before oneiric, but in one of the earlier releases. [16:19] The one I use is called xfce4-timer . It is a panel applet that you install [16:20] nanotube: that's the one I use. It used to have the external alarms turn off when you clicked the "time up" box. Now it keeps ringing until it is done [16:21] hm ic [16:21] speaking of alarms... anyone can tell me why i'm not getting orage reminder notifications? events just pass on by [16:22] probably a preference you need to put a check in. open the calendar by clicking the panel app, click edit, preferences [16:23] Might need to set an alarm or something in the event, too. Been a while since I used orage for events [16:23] already checked, nothing there about "don't show alarms even though you want to" :) [16:24] nanotube: You're talking precise, right? [16:24] ah hmm, it seems my events have not been checked with "persistent alarm", so maybe they just pass me by when the computer was suspended? [16:25] astraljava: precise what? [16:25] Hmm... could be. [16:25] nanotube: pangolin. :) [16:26] astraljava: no, i'm on oneiric :) [16:26] haha [16:27] Ok. [16:29] well, let's see if that does it. :) [16:31] At least it works without suspending. [16:37] heh yes. and i couldn't be arsed to suspend atm. so i'll just see how my regular notifications go now that i set them to persistent. :) [16:42] Ok. I'll be going to the office tomorrow so I'll suspend then. [17:04] do we want xdiagnose seeded to help debug X issues? [17:05] not really. It is really easy to install, isn't it? [17:05] sure [17:05] sudo apt-get install xdiagnose [17:05] Does it need to be there all the time? We already have turned on composite mode, which is going to create more fails [17:06] idk, needing to install it means needing to reproduce failures a second time [17:06] That is true [17:07] and when they can't get anything but a black screen because they can't use compositing, it is going to fail anyway [17:07] If the issue can not be reproduced, it is not going to get worked anyway, most of the time [17:13] so, why not turn compositing off by default? [17:14] That would be my choice, but it is not my decision. I did not decide to turn it on, either. [17:14] not saying it was. just making the suggestion :) [17:14] +1 :) [17:15] as long as it's easy enough to turn it on (it is, might want to make it more prominent if needed), should be fine either way [17:16] or... how about making it an available option at the livecd selection screen [17:33] is xubuntu-devel moderated? [17:34] and logged [17:34] yes [17:34] Moderated? How does that work? [17:35] charlie-tca: no, sorry, I meant the ML [17:35] Or are we talking about mailing list here? [17:35] In which case the logging doesn't make sense. [17:35] Ahh... yes. [17:35] yes, it is. I think cody-somerville is the moderator [17:35] but I might be wrong again [17:35] hmm, ok [17:37] devel cant be moderated afaik [17:37] I remember joining that last year and it happened instantly [17:37] That doesn't mean so much. We can set them to allow that [17:38] xubuntu-devel list run by knightlust at ubuntu.com, cody-somerville at ubuntu.com [17:38] not what I meant either [17:38] whats the question? [17:38] not sure how much is done, though, micahg [17:38] message moderation for non-subscribed users [17:39] cody-somerville: is the ubuntu-devel mailing list moderated? [17:40] sorry, wrong one. [17:40] cody-somerville: is the xubuntu-devel mailing list moderated? [17:41] No. But some messages do get moderated [17:41] like from non-subscribers [17:41] That's what micahg was looking for [17:42] yep, ok, I'll figure it out later then, thanks [18:01] anybody that can test desktop images today? We have the installer now, and need to make sure it works, both with "Try Xubuntu" and "Install Xubuntu" [18:05] I can do the 32-bit one. [18:05] ...on real hw. [18:05] 64-bit on virt. [18:05] Will that do? [18:09] Oh, but of course. and it will be very much appreciated! [18:11] Ok I'll report on the tracker in a few hours. [23:01] What's the hardware profile asked in the iso testing results page? [23:01] Something I ignore [23:01] Might be for later use, I just put it in the comments [23:02] Ok. Put what in the comments? CPU, RAM, what else? [23:02] Whatever you feel, I normally put RAM and that I used VBox [23:03] Ok. [23:03] But that's me [23:03] Where? [23:03] Oh, there you are. [23:04] -----> [23:14] Hmm... can't do the wubi part of the tests, though. [23:36] Unit193: Charlie left, so can't tell him I got too tired to do the amd64 desktop tests, unfortunately. Did the entire disk and manual partitioning for i386 on real hw, however. [23:42] Going to try to sleep now. G'night, all. [23:49] Good night, I'll run some when I get home [23:49] so where are those desktop images that need testing? i can test one on liveusb on a 64bit box. [23:50] and can anyone point to the standard testing procedure? [23:51] nanotube: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds [23:53] thanks Unit193 . is there any details of what i should be looking at once i boot into a livesession? [23:54] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/9687/downloads and http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession [23:54] There is a link with every one [23:55] ah, i missed the little wrench icon which would have taken me to the second link, which is what i was looking for. :) thanks Unit193 [23:56] Yep, as always