[08:08] <Unit193> Conference?
[08:14] <micahg> Unit193: Canonical rally
[08:14] <Unit193> Yea, didn't know one was going on now, but figured it out with "@conference/canonical-sprint/x-aftyeckbpmgjwupv"
[10:05] <micahg> xubuntu alternates no longer oversized, live images are still though
[11:48] <micahg> mr_pouit: I haven't merged murrine-themes since I wasn't sure if our snapshot was ahead of Debian or not
[14:25] <nanotube> oversized images? just rip out the gimp! </ubuntu> :)
[14:44] <astraljava> Nooo! Without gimp, you can't scale down the images. *blink* *blink*
[14:45] <nanotube> haha
[14:45] <nanotube> i wonder how much space 'convert' takes up.
[14:46] <astraljava> It's in the imagemagick package. Probably could separate it, taking very little.
[14:48] <nanotube> heh, the whole imagemagick takes < 300kb. gimp takes 14mb .... i figure there's no need for a split-up :)
[14:49] <astraljava> Sure, but you specifically asked for convert. :)
[14:49] <astraljava> *only
[14:59] <nanotube> indeed :)
[15:12] <charlie-tca> The live session starts with compositing enabled now? Doesn't that severely limit those who are looking for a light-weight OS and can't use compositing?
[15:14] <baizon> not really i think :)
[15:14] <charlie-tca> NO? What about video cards that are unable to use that and therefore, fail to start the live session?
[15:15] <charlie-tca> That probably explains a lot of the video failures we get reported, where all they get is a black screen.
[15:18] <baizon> ok, i didnt know that. sorry :(
[15:20] <charlie-tca> It also increases the required memory
[15:46] <astraljava> Crap. Alarm's custom command won't be stopped if you stop the alarm that just went off.
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I noticed that too. It is a change from a couple of releases back, too.
[15:47] <charlie-tca> It used to turn off both the on-screen indicator and the alarm
[15:48] <astraljava> That's what I thought.
[15:52] <charlie-tca> I just added the alarm sounds back here, or I might have noticed it a lot sooner
[15:55] <charlie-tca> appologies to Unit193 and GridCube. They have been documenting testing results, but it seems quite difficult to find the results from daily testing after the next image is out.
[16:01] <astraljava> I just realized a moment ago.
[16:12] <nanotube> astraljava: where do you find alarms in xubuntu? you mean orage?
[16:14] <astraljava> nanotube: It's the alarm applet. I'm not sure where it belongs to, but adding it makes it appear in the applet list of indicator plugin.
[16:15] <nanotube> astraljava: is that one of the things you can add to panel? i don't see anything called 'alarm' in there...
[16:15] <nanotube> maybe it's an extra package
[16:15] <nanotube> ?
[16:16] <astraljava> Yeah. One sec.
[16:16] <astraljava> $ dpkg -l | grep alarm
[16:16] <astraljava> ii  alarm-clock                            1.2.5-1.2                               Alarm Clock for GTK Environments
[16:16] <nanotube> xfce4-timer-plugin ?
[16:16] <astraljava> ii  alarm-clock-applet                     0.3.2-1ubuntu1                          Alarm Clock applet
[16:16] <nanotube> ah
[16:17] <nanotube> thanks :)
[16:18] <astraljava> NP. I'm not sure whether charlie-tca meant this one, but it used to work prior to oneiric. Not sure how far before oneiric, but in one of the earlier releases.
[16:19] <charlie-tca> The one I use is called xfce4-timer . It is a panel applet that you install
[16:20] <charlie-tca> nanotube: that's the one I use. It used to have the external alarms turn off when you clicked the "time up" box. Now it keeps ringing until it is done
[16:21] <nanotube> hm ic
[16:21] <nanotube> speaking of alarms... anyone can tell me why i'm not getting orage reminder notifications? events just pass on by
[16:22] <charlie-tca> probably a preference you need to put a check in. open the calendar by clicking the panel app, click edit, preferences
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Might need to set an alarm or something in the event, too. Been a while since I used orage for events
[16:23] <nanotube> already checked, nothing there about "don't show alarms even though you want to" :)
[16:24] <astraljava> nanotube: You're talking precise, right?
[16:24] <nanotube> ah hmm, it seems my events have not been checked with "persistent alarm", so maybe they just pass me by when the computer was suspended? 
[16:25] <nanotube> astraljava: precise what?
[16:25] <astraljava> Hmm... could be.
[16:25] <astraljava> nanotube: pangolin. :)
[16:26] <nanotube> astraljava: no, i'm on oneiric :)
[16:26] <nanotube> haha
[16:27] <astraljava> Ok.
[16:29] <nanotube> well, let's see if that does it. :)
[16:31] <astraljava> At least it works without suspending.
[16:37] <nanotube> heh yes. and i couldn't be arsed to suspend atm. so i'll just see how my regular notifications go now that i set them to persistent. :)
[16:42] <astraljava> Ok. I'll be going to the office tomorrow so I'll suspend then.
[17:04] <micahg> do we want xdiagnose seeded to help debug X issues?
[17:05] <charlie-tca> not really. It is really easy to install, isn't it?
[17:05] <micahg> sure
[17:05] <micahg> sudo apt-get install xdiagnose
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Does it need to be there all the time? We already have turned on composite mode, which is going to create more fails
[17:06] <micahg> idk, needing to install it means needing to reproduce failures a second time
[17:06] <charlie-tca> That is true
[17:07] <charlie-tca> and when they can't get anything but a black screen because they can't use compositing, it is going to fail anyway
[17:07] <charlie-tca> If the issue can not be reproduced, it is not going to get worked anyway, most of the time
[17:13] <nanotube> so, why not turn compositing off by default?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> That would be my choice, but it is not my decision. I did not decide to turn it on, either.
[17:14] <nanotube> not saying it was. just making the suggestion :)
[17:14] <charlie-tca> +1 :)
[17:15] <nanotube> as long as it's easy enough to turn it on (it is, might want to make it more prominent if needed), should be fine either way
[17:16] <nanotube> or... how about making it an available option at the livecd selection screen
[17:33] <micahg> is xubuntu-devel moderated?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> and logged
[17:34] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:34] <astraljava> Moderated? How does that work?
[17:35] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, sorry, I meant the ML
[17:35] <astraljava> Or are we talking about mailing list here?
[17:35] <astraljava> In which case the logging doesn't make sense.
[17:35] <astraljava> Ahh... yes.
[17:35] <charlie-tca> yes, it is. I think cody-somerville is the moderator
[17:35] <charlie-tca> but I might be wrong again
[17:35] <micahg> hmm, ok
[17:37] <madnick> devel cant be moderated afaik
[17:37] <madnick> I remember joining that last year and it happened instantly
[17:37] <charlie-tca> That doesn't mean so much. We can set them to allow that
[17:38] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-devel list run by knightlust at ubuntu.com, cody-somerville at ubuntu.com
[17:38] <micahg> not what I meant either
[17:38] <cody-somerville> whats the question?
[17:38] <charlie-tca> not sure how much is done, though, micahg 
[17:38] <micahg> message moderation for non-subscribed users
[17:39] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: is the ubuntu-devel mailing list moderated?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> sorry, wrong one.
[17:40] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: is the xubuntu-devel mailing list moderated?
[17:41] <cody-somerville> No. But some messages do get moderated
[17:41] <cody-somerville> like from non-subscribers
[17:41] <charlie-tca> That's what micahg was looking for
[17:42] <micahg> yep, ok, I'll figure it out later then, thanks
[18:01] <charlie-tca> anybody that can test desktop images today? We have the installer now, and need to make sure it works, both with "Try Xubuntu" and "Install Xubuntu"
[18:05] <astraljava> I can do the 32-bit one.
[18:05] <astraljava> ...on real hw.
[18:05] <astraljava> 64-bit on virt.
[18:05] <astraljava> Will that do?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Oh, but of course. and it will be very much appreciated! 
[18:11] <astraljava> Ok I'll report on the tracker in a few hours.
[23:01] <astraljava> What's the hardware profile asked in the iso testing results page?
[23:01] <Unit193> Something I ignore
[23:01] <Unit193> Might be for later use, I just put it in the comments
[23:02] <astraljava> Ok. Put what in the comments? CPU, RAM, what else?
[23:02] <Unit193> Whatever you feel, I normally put RAM and that I used VBox
[23:03] <astraljava> Ok.
[23:03] <Unit193> But that's me
[23:03] <astraljava> Where?
[23:03] <astraljava> Oh, there you are.
[23:04] <Unit193> ----->
[23:14] <astraljava> Hmm... can't do the wubi part of the tests, though.
[23:36] <astraljava> Unit193: Charlie left, so can't tell him I got too tired to do the amd64 desktop tests, unfortunately. Did the entire disk and manual partitioning for i386 on real hw, however.
[23:42] <astraljava> Going to try to sleep now. G'night, all.
[23:49] <Unit193> Good night, I'll run some when I get home
[23:49] <nanotube> so where are those desktop images that need testing? i can test one on liveusb on a 64bit box.
[23:50] <nanotube> and can anyone point to the standard testing procedure?
[23:51] <Unit193> nanotube: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[23:53] <nanotube> thanks Unit193 . is there any details of what i should be looking at once i boot into a livesession?
[23:54] <Unit193> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/9687/downloads and http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession
[23:54] <Unit193> There is a link with every one
[23:55] <nanotube> ah, i missed the little wrench icon which would have taken me to the second link, which is what i was looking for. :) thanks Unit193 
[23:56] <Unit193> Yep, as always