[00:17] <snap-l> Can someone please get the room for tonight. I can't make CHC this evening
[01:09] <Blazeix> snap-l: do you know if we have it? there are currently people in there.
[01:58] <snap-l> I thought we did, but not sure offhand.
[07:11] <rick_h__> crap on the CHC
[07:12] <rick_h__> yea, we've got the room from now on as far as I know
[07:12] <rick_h__> Blazeix: snap-l  ^
[07:12] <rick_h__> just fyi
[12:11] <snap-l> rick_h__: OK, cool
[12:11] <snap-l> Wanted to be there, but something came up (nothing critical, just needed my attention).
[12:19] <Wolfger> :-p
[12:24] <Wolfger> Oh, sorry. Good morning!
[12:24] <Wolfger> I was in scrollback, and thought rick_h__ was drinking with LP guys right now, hence the :-p
[12:32] <rick_h__> lunch is getting progressively worse through the week
[12:32] <snap-l> rick_h__: That good, eh?
[12:32] <rick_h__> snap-l: cool, yea I should be good to get it after this
[12:32] <snap-l> or are you getting used to HUngarian food?
[12:32] <rick_h__> travel the rest of the year is dead, so won't be gone much
[12:32] <rick_h__> meh, it's a bit off, but normally close enough
[12:32] <rick_h__> eating out has been pretty good stuff
[12:33] <rick_h__> but the hotel stuff started out really nice and maybe I'm getting bored with some of the repitition
[12:33] <snap-l> I think that's it
[12:33] <rick_h__> plus just getting tired....ugh
[12:33] <snap-l> That too
[12:34] <tjagoda> Bork bork bork
[12:35] <snap-l> Well, there is also so much new food you can take before it becomes old food
[12:36] <rick_h__> dammit, I want my food, my bed, my car, my ...
[12:36] <snap-l> on an unrelated note: am I the only person who, when faced with downloadinf from Archive.org, has his heart sink a little?
[12:36] <rick_h__> what's archive.org?
[12:36] <rick_h__> :)
[12:37] <snap-l> DOn't get me wrong: great service
[12:37] <snap-l> but for being the canonical source for a lot of things, their in-file metadata is atrocious,
[12:38] <Wolfger> wtf is going on with Penguicon this year? http://www.penguicon.org/CMS/?page_id=178
[12:38] <snap-l> It's like a library that has the dewey decimal system numbers printed on the shelves, and then rips out the ISBN number from the back cover and (c) page.
[12:39] <snap-l> Wolfger: They're looking to get Bruce Schneier, but he may be traveling the same weekend.
[12:39] <Wolfger> snap-l: that would be awesome
[12:39] <snap-l> Yeah, he makes me dream in firewalls
[12:40] <snap-l> and want to curl up with a nice warm fluffy blanket and cower in fear.
[12:40] <Wolfger> LOL
[12:41] <snap-l> He's like the grizzled veteran who tells campfire stories that you later find out are all-too-real.
[12:41] <snap-l> like "There's really a boogey man under my bed, and he answers to the name of 'Earl'"
[12:45] <Wolfger> well, if we don't get him, I blame tjagoda
[12:48] <tjagoda> A reasonable recourse
[12:49] <tjagoda> Good to see that they've had more website success than I did =P
[12:50] <tjagoda> Wolfger such order ribbons that say "I blame every wrong with this convention on tjagoda"
[12:50] <tjagoda> It would be both personally offensive and hilarious
[12:51] <Wolfger> Too long
[12:51] <Wolfger> I'll just go with "It's all tjagoda's fault"
[12:51] <tjagoda> I saw I took a small scaving in Matt's blog post announcing that web site
[12:51] <Wolfger> Did you? Guess I didn't read too closely
[12:51] <tjagoda> I imagine the scaving is larger behind closed doors =P
[12:52] <Wolfger> I just said, "oh, website's up, cool!"
[12:52] <Wolfger> then promptly discovered there's nothing there anyway
[12:53] <tjagoda> I discovered during my penguicon management tenure that my management should not leave the business arena.
[12:53] <tjagoda> And also that I'm not passionate enough about the non-tech side of penguicon to deal with that many strong personalities enjoyably. =P
[12:55] <Wolfger> Yeah, big diff between managing employees and managing a diverse group of volunteers
[12:55] <Wolfger> highly opinionated volunteers
[12:55] <Wolfger> who may or may not respect your authority to varying degrees
[12:56] <tjagoda> I did better when working with mostly tech people inside programming
[12:56] <tjagoda> I did much worse when I had to foster friendship and motivation amidst the fans =P
[12:58] <tjagoda> PR != tjagoda
[12:59] <Wolfger> the fen
[12:59] <Wolfger> see? You can't even get the lingo right
[12:59] <Wolfger> tsk
[12:59] <Wolfger> you need to turn in your red shirt now
[13:00] <tjagoda> http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
[13:00] <Wolfger> and no more JoCo songs for you, either
[13:59] <snap-l> and while you're at it, turn in your Ubuntu laptops.
[13:59] <tjagoda> NEVAR.
[14:02] <tjagoda> I keep looking at the 15 inch system76 glossy and wanting to buy it
[14:02] <tjagoda> then pricing it
[14:02] <tjagoda> and wimping out at the sight of thousands
[14:09] <tjagoda> ohi
[14:09] <brousch> ahoy
[14:11] <brousch> i'm giving up on stirgi. it's not a problem until the index is over 1GB. t that point it slows everything down
[14:11] <tjagoda> I like reading the System76 support forums and laughing at people who buy a s76 and then feel the urge to complain that it isn't compatible with every known linux distro on the face of the earth.
[14:15] <tjagoda> "I have installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my USB hard drive.  Everything seems  OK.  But I have a couple of questions. 1)The first item on the task menu  (on the very left) is "Installation".  I think my Ubuntu installation  is completed.  Why would we need it? 2)I cannot find the standard Unix  command prompt.  I need it to execute some commands, such as adduser,  chmod, etc.  3)It seems I cannot write files to /etc/var/www folder  beca
[14:16] <tjagoda> I hate when my desktop web server on m usb external drive doesn't have its standard unix command line from which to type my numerous chmod commands.
[14:40] <snap-l> tjagoda: That last sentence doesn't make sense to me.
[14:45] <tjagoda> Good.
[14:45] <tjagoda> It shouldn't make sense to anyone.
[15:09] <snap-l> Anyone know offhand how to get vim to indent comments?
[15:09] <snap-l> if I do >> over a block with comments, it doesn't indent the comment along with it
[15:09] <snap-l> drives me batty.
[15:10] <snap-l> Also, you should be listening to this: http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/103573
[15:44] <Wolfger> snap-l: What exactly is your problem? I don't understand. If I type >> on a line, it indents
[15:44] <Wolfger> also, I should have a job that allows me to listen to that (or anything else) while I work :-p
[15:45] <Wolfger> also tried >> on a (perl) comment line and it indents
[15:45] <snap-l> Wolfger: They have Jamendo blocked too?
[15:45] <snap-l> Sheesh
[15:46] <snap-l> Damn repressive regime
[15:48] <Wolfger> well, I don't know if they block it, but the probably do. I know I can't play music on my laptop speakers and earbuds are frowned upon
[15:50] <Wolfger> so did you figure out why your vim is borked?
[15:51] <Wolfger> or why I'm misunderstanding your problem? ;-)
[15:52] <snap-l> Nah, I didn't figure it out, but I'm not worried about it.
[15:52] <snap-l> Might be because the yaml file I'm editing doesn't understand indenting # blah lines
[15:53] <snap-l> Also, anywhere that prevents people from using headphones at work is not somewhere I want to work.
[15:53] <snap-l> seriously, that's one of my interview questions
[15:54] <snap-l> You don't have to let me use streaming or anything like that, that's understandable, but if I'm in a cubicle, and can't listen to music / non-office-chatter, I will go insane.
[15:55] <krondor> Wolfger: that's evil, I would go insane sitting there listening to 'Corporate Accounts Payable, Nina Speaking. Just a Moment'
[15:56] <snap-l> krondor: I think it's supervisor-specific
[15:56] <snap-l> when I darkened Chrysler's halls, they weren't strict about it
[15:56] <snap-l> Then again, we had the lenient German overlords instead of the more strict Italian overlords. ;)
[15:57]  * krondor tries to picture lenient Germans ...
[15:58] <Wolfger> Heh
[15:58] <Wolfger> I think it may be more localized than the overlord level
[15:59] <Wolfger> In fact, it was also many bosses ago, and the current bosses might be ok with it, but nobody else listens to music, so I'm reluctant to be the one to push the barrier
[15:59] <Wolfger> I have music in my head, anyway
[16:00] <Wolfger> Currently, some selections from Despicable Me
[16:04] <snap-l> heh
[16:05] <snap-l> Currently listening to The Final Cut: Primal Understanding
[16:05] <snap-l> if there's ever a song that would get me speeding, this is it.
[16:05] <snap-l> The rest of the album, notsomuch
[16:55] <Wolfger> I think the fact that this headline even exists underscores the American obesity epidemic: "Don't freak out - Eatocracy reassures Twinkie lovers that bankruptcy won't kill the icon."
[16:55] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[16:56] <Wolfger> also, the sad state of American journalism
[16:58] <ColonelPanic001> How else will I know who Britney Spears is married to this week?
[17:04] <Wolfger> She should just marry Kim Kardasian, and then the whole internets will explode
[17:08] <krondor> Wolfger: Despicable Me++ that soundtrack surprised me for a kids movie
[17:22] <snap-l> Wolfger: The time I saw more coverage of whether or not Peter Jackson was going to direct the Hobbit Movie on CNN over some other crisis happening at the time is when I determined commmercial news stations were junk.
[17:25] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/odxh9/why_has_javascript_gotten_so_popular_recently/
[17:25] <snap-l> Interesting that very few people can agree on one single reason
[17:26] <snap-l> I think Node, v8, jQuery, and such have helped tremendously
[17:26] <Wolfger> snap-l: Hey now... The Hobbit is important stuff!
[17:26] <snap-l> but there's one thing that stands out in my mind as the biggest reason: the death if IE6
[17:29] <tjagoda> wow
[17:29] <Wolfger> regarding javascript... What, you mean it wasn't this popular years ago when you couldn't even mention computers without somebody saying AJAX-this or AJAX-that?
[17:29] <tjagoda> Crunchy big box meal from taco bell
[17:29] <tjagoda> thats a lot of food.
[17:29] <Wolfger> tjagoda++
[17:32] <snap-l> Wolfger: Well, it seems there's a lot of folks using Javascript, or expressing plans to use it
[17:33] <snap-l> 10 years ago, nobody would have taken something like Node.js seriously.
[17:33] <snap-l> Now, it's all the rage.
[17:35] <Wolfger> Is it really *popular*, or just trendy/buzzwordy?
[17:37] <Wolfger> like when AJAX burst onto the scene and suddenly every employer wanted somebody with 2-5 years experience in AJAX, even if the employers really had no idea what that meant...
[17:40] <Wolfger> Oh, wow. I did not know you could numerically multiply inserts in vim...
[17:40] <Wolfger> now I can modify all my existing text files, going line by line with 9A!<esc>
[17:41] <Wolfger> (because you can never have enough exclamation points)
[19:57] <krondor> tjagoda:  I'm a bit upset about taco bell going gourmet.  I mean they're the GOTO 3 am bad decision around me.
[20:17] <snap-l> I can't eat taco bell any more
[20:18] <snap-l> It does very bad things to my stomach
[20:18] <snap-l> It's almost more efficient for me to just throw it into the toilet with the wrapper still on
[20:19] <brousch> old age
[20:19] <brousch> same reason i can't drink caffeine
[20:19] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I'm not sure what the hell they put in their stuff, but it's just not happening for me
[20:20] <brousch> i like volcano taco and nachos from taco bell
[20:20] <brousch> good stuff
[20:23] <snap-l> You can have my share
[20:23] <snap-l> times two