[00:01] <nanotube> btw, bugreport: show desktop button minimizes all windows across all workspaces, not just current workspace. (on oneiric here)
[00:01] <nanotube> hope that's not "expected behavior" on xubuntu
[00:01] <nanotube> ?
[00:02] <nanotube> not clicking that again....
[00:08] <ochosi> knome, mr_pouit: we'll have to add a new point to our agenda for precise (unless we want to risk some visual breakage): fork elementary-icon-theme as xubuntu-icon-theme (or something)
[00:10] <ochosi> knome, mr_pouit: ubuntu will release all the changes by upstream elementary, i.e. all the dropped symlinks. i've just discussed this with DanRabbit in #elementary-dev and he is okay with our/my decision. we can later talk about cherry-picking stuff from upstream (i can maintain it in either bzr or git, preferrably the latter)
[00:12] <ochosi> knome, mr_pouit: he said he'll support us so that we can avoid keeping/maintaining the fork in the next release (i.e. provide an addon-package again)
[00:13] <Unit193> I personally hate filing but reports, but I do them when I have to
[00:14] <ochosi> nanotube: i think it is expected behavior. better to file a bugreport upstream versus xfwm4
[00:15] <ochosi> nanotube: (or whatever component houses this shortcut)
[00:25] <nanotube> ochosi: well, it certainly hasn't been expected behavior on gnome, since at least ubuntu breezy. and it certainly doesn't make sense that when i hit a 'show desktop' i want to minimize everything across all workspaces, rather than the one currently on.
[00:25] <nanotube> guess i'll file that bug with xfce
[00:25] <ochosi> sounds like a plan
[00:26] <nanotube> :)
[10:45] <knome> ochosi, sounds fair enough
[11:52] <knome> madnick, read micahg's email to xubuntu-devel :)
[12:08] <knome> hey micahg 
[12:09] <knome> is there a bug for the thunderbird icons in LP?
[12:09] <knome> ah, there is!
[12:10] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/murrine-themes/+bug/856939 <- micahg, would you like to be the assignee?
[12:12] <knome> madnick, i sent the weekly mail to ubuntu-release a moment ago
[13:43] <madnick> knome: you mean the gtk-example-gretter?
[13:43] <madnick> greeter*
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Hardware installs day today. I will try and do at least one for each image in real hardware today.
[16:50] <charlie-tca> Thanks, astraljava . Those tests help.
[17:45] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-bugs
[17:45] <pleia2> this list is dead, right?
[17:45] <pleia2> nothing in the archives
[17:48] <knome> pleia2, afaik, yes
[17:48] <knome> thunderbird needs "keep this folder always marked read" -option
[17:49] <knome> for sent mail, drafts and maybe even trash :)
[17:53] <charlie-tca> pleia2: yes, I think we tried to use it about 2-3 years ago, but it has not been used for so long, it is dead.
[17:54] <pleia2> thanks knome and charlie-tca 
[17:54] <pleia2> it's on our hit list for mailing list cleanup :)
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I saw that, and knew it was a dead one. I did not think a response would be needed if it was dead anyway. But, thanks for checking.
[17:55] <pleia2> well, I received an email from colin watson about a -patches list not keeping archives because the information was available elsewhere, so I wanted to make sure this wasn't the case elsewhere
[17:57] <charlie-tca> always good to make sure, I guess. 
[18:16] <ochosi> knome: mind to add a task for the icon-theme? (sry, after 8hrs of korean lessons today i'm really too tired now and might forget until tomorrow...)
[20:26] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/193264 
[20:27] <charlie-tca> maybe-ubiquity on daily-live i386 from today
[21:59] <knome> charlie-tca, looks relatively good but could use some more love :)
[22:02] <charlie-tca> of course. However, the screen before that with the two icons is still straight from Ubuntu, including the purple color
[22:06] <knome> do you have a shot of that too?
[22:07] <charlie-tca> no, It is harder to capture
[22:08] <ochosi> meh, purple :/
[22:08] <knome> okay. if you could get one at all, could you paste it?
[22:08] <charlie-tca> It doesn't show up right in VBox, only on hardware, which I can not screenshot.
[22:08] <ochosi> and hi everyone ;)
[22:08] <knome> ah, right
[22:08] <charlie-tca> It is the ubuntu bootup screen. 
[22:08] <knome> hey ochosi, you're back :)
[22:08] <ochosi> charlie-tca: unless you use a digicam :)
[22:08] <charlie-tca> No money to buy one
[22:08] <ochosi> knome: well kinda, but maybe not for long today
[22:09] <ochosi> knome: btw, does the elementary-icons thing need community-approval?
[22:09] <ochosi> (e.g. in the next meeting)
[22:09] <knome> ochosi, i don't really think so. we're essentially keeping the same stuff
[22:10] <knome> ochosi, except putting in some improvements
[22:10] <ochosi> knome: yup, that's true
[22:10] <knome> i think what we should do is to as feedback on the changes once we've decided what to change, if they seem like big things
[22:11] <knome> no other package from upstream goes through community approval on new release either :)
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Um, the other problem with maybe-ubiquity is that if you choose "Install Xubuntu", keyboard doesn't work to go through the screens.
[22:13] <ochosi> knome: mhm, agreed
[22:14] <knome> charlie-tca, hmmh, could you file a bug?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> I will, when I am positive of what it is doing
[22:15] <knome> okay, thanks. can you also ping me back when you've done that, so i can forward that to cjwatson :)
[22:17] <charlie-tca> You know he is automatically subscribed to them, right?
[22:17] <knome> i suppose, but i've been in contact with him on IRC