=== funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [03:27] what packages do I need to install to get the appindicator in lubuntu 11.10? [03:28] i have dun it before, so I know it can be done.. [03:59] average_guy: Howdy, do you happen to be talking about lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin ? [04:01] howdy Unit193 didn't know you hung out over here too [04:01] I sure do [04:02] I mean the the applet in the gnome panel like a drawer that holds tbird, gwibber, pidgin, etc. [04:05] is that it? [04:07] I know it's disabled by default, and the LXDE one isn't as great [04:08] I just tried to install it and it said I already have it [04:10] yeah Unit193, I don't even get the point of the LXDE one [04:12] Give me a sec, working on something else too [04:12] it's cool, I still googling [04:15] Are you looking for Right click panel > add/remove Indicator [04:15] yes [04:16] I mean, that where I WANT it to be [04:17] You don't see it in the "Add" list? [04:17] you know how in GNOME it looks like an envelope? I want that Unit193 [04:18] that just says "no indicators" [04:18] when I open it [04:20] I feel like last time I turned that one into what I'm shooting for [04:20] somehow.. [04:21] Do you also have indicator-messages and [04:21] indicator-application [04:24] yes I have them both installed [04:36] sorry Unit193, busted it. Had to reboot.. [04:40] ok, I think I here now [04:44] actually Unit193, I think I've done enuf damage. I'll try again tomorrow. thx anyway [04:44] Heh sure, from what I can tell, that's what is supposed to get it to work, but I'll have a go at it in a VM [13:32] alright, I'm at it again. There IS a way to get the appindicators like GNOME in lubuntu. Does anyone know what package I need to install? [13:34] nope, we tend to like appindicators like in LXDE [13:34] can you explain what do you mean like in GNOME [13:34] +by [13:35] an envelope in the panel that opens a drawer containing tbird, pidgin, quassel, etc. [13:36] I installed something once that turned the indicator applet in the lxpanel into it [13:38] I have no idea about the envelope [13:40] and I have few gnome 3 computers running ;) [13:40] http://imagecdn.maketecheasier.com/2011/09/oneiric-appindicator.jpg [13:40] I want THAT [15:28] Xfce has it.. [17:03] How can I change the default desktop session? [19:43] How can I make lubuntu automatically reconnect wifi network? [19:44] It probably reconnect when it loses connection, but if it fails again it gives up like a little girl. [19:44] cron solvable maybe? [19:45] Unit193; you might have a solution for that? I can't remember seeing anything about that [19:45] Should be an option in nm-applet [19:46] Workaround, get a better router ;) [19:46] nm-applet you say. So it's a Ubuntu issue. Not surprising. It has always been this stupid. [19:46] Not my router. I'm just paying for access. [19:46] I'd wish though. [19:47] i think i filed a bug for this if i understand you correctly [19:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/892454 [19:48] Launchpad bug 892454 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "network-manager starts up with wireless disabled" [Undecided,New] [19:49] I know there are other network-managers, but I always forget how they're called [19:49] It connect's on startup. [19:49] Wulong: if that's consistent with your experience, please confirm [19:50] I know about several others, but I'm not sure if they are as "light" or what. [19:50] * Unit193 just used /etc/networking for a while [19:51] i tried one other one [19:51] i forgot the name of it [19:51] it was pretty but annoying [19:51] wxl: don't seem the same. It connects automatically. [19:51] wxl: wicd? [19:51] Wulong: that's a strange one, then [19:51] wifi radar [19:51] Unit193: yeah, hated it and it was a pita to uninstall [19:53] PITA to uninstall.. sounds about right. Probably therefore I feel like skipping those. [19:54] I'll supervise nm-applet and file a bug report if it doesnt improve. [19:54] Wulong: did you already search lp for a similar bug? [19:55] wicd, that's the one I'm talking about [19:55] I did not, but I have seen this as a problem and ideas on brainstorm for Ubuntu several times. [19:55] Never used it thou [19:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/150180 ??? [19:58] Launchpad bug 134660 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu Hardy) "duplicate for #150180 Ralink rt2400 / rt2500 / rt2570 / rt61 / rt73 do not work out of the box in Gutsy/Hardy" [High,Fix released] [19:59] a cursory search reveals what i would suspect is people complaining of random dropouts which i'd say is more an isp/router sort of issue [20:00] but these are usually short === Alcine is now known as jalcine [21:22] Hello [21:23] I used this to autostart programs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop [21:23] But pcmanfm won't start at boot...I instead get a (error) window saying "No such file or directory". [21:25] AmberJ; what happens when you use that same pcmanfm.desktop to start pcmanfm? [21:26] Are there other pcmanfm.desktop files in that folder? [21:27] * MrChrisDruif isn't using Lubuntu...again [21:28] AmberJ: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXSession#Automatically_start_some_applications_on_login help? [21:29] MrChrisDruif, Which pcmanfm.desktop? the one in /usr/share/applications/ ? or, the one in ~/.config/autostart/ ? [21:29] actually [21:29] /usr/share/applications/ [21:29] AmberJ: cat ~/.config/autostart/pcmanfm.desktop | pastebinit [21:29] and if you don't have pastebinit, install it [21:30] also If the name of an executable is specified without any path components then the $PATH environment is searched to find a matching executable program. [21:30] Ghehe, wisecrack [21:31] well it's a good point! [21:31] i would expect $PATH to be set appropriately by then but perhaps not [21:31] /usr/bin/pcmanfm is what you wnat obviously [21:32] so your .desktop file would be: [21:32] Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm %U [21:32] (or would have, rather) [21:32] instead of Exec=pcmanfm %U [21:32] betcha that fixes it [21:32] wxl, http://paste.ubuntu.com/803462/ [21:33] wxl, 'pcmanfm' on terminal starts it fine. So, I guess the $PATH is set [21:34] but may not be at the point of doing autostart, AmberJ [21:34] Ok...let me try [21:35] So, I need to logout and log back in to test this? [21:35] Prolly [21:36] Right let me logout...brb [21:39] wxl, No...I still get the same error :( [21:41] wxl, this is what I get: http://i.imgur.com/AMvjc.png [21:41] AmberJ: open ~/.config/autostart in pcmanfm and double click on pcmanfm.desktop -- what happens? [21:42] wxl, Another window of pcmanfm opens when I do that^ [21:42] strange [21:43] i am kind of at a loss [21:44] MrChrisDruif, clicking on /usr/share/applications/pcmanfm.desktop opens another window... [21:45] so we've checked both of the .desktops AmberJ ? [21:45] And so does the one in ~/.config/autostart/ ? [21:45] yes both [21:45] bizarre [21:45] both open a new window of pcmanfm [21:45] i doubt it's a permission problem [21:45] maybe possible [21:46] Unit193: ping [21:47] Should I try TEMPORARILY to give ugo+rwx (all permissions :D) to see if it helps? [21:48] AmberJ: no i'd say you'd want the same perms on both files so check what it is in /usr/share/applications and then apply it to ~/.config/autostart [21:51] Still same error... [21:51] unfortunately #freedesktop is dead so that's not helping either :'( [21:51] wxl: Eh? [21:51] Is there a way to save a log file when pcmanfm.desktop is being executed during login? (this might help) [21:51] Unit193; AmberJ has issues auto-starting pcmanfm [21:52] Unit193: have you ever experienced an issue with a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart that wouldn't start with an error of "No such file or directory" yet the .desktop file loads pcmanfm once in lxde no problem??? [21:52] Unit193, this is what I get: http://i.imgur.com/AMvjc.png when I try to autostart pcmanfm during login [21:52] What's the command for pcmanfm? [21:53] Unit193: pcmanfm [21:53] /usr/bin/pcmanfm if that helps [21:53] AmberJ: have you tried to grep /var/log/syslog? [21:54] wxl, I just tried...nothing useful in there :( [21:55] /usr/bin/pcmanfm $U [21:56] Or /usr/bin/pcmanfm /home/amberj/ [21:56] maybe /var/log/Xorg.0.log [21:56] Unit193: %U [21:56] we already tried that, tho [21:56] Unit193, should I put that in pcmanfm.desktop? Or, do you mean to ask? [21:56] What is the file now? [21:56] she has Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm %U [21:57] * AmberJ is a guy :D [21:57] ooops [21:57] np :) [21:57] wxl: I thought it too [21:57] * wxl decides to not use pronouns [21:57] Now, please don't stop helping me now that you guys know that I'm not a sexy chick ;) [21:58] well i'm certainly over it [21:58] you can get someone else [21:58] ;) [21:58] any luck with Xorg.0.log? [21:58] :( [21:59] --desktop-off ? or try a different program, make sure that works [22:00] get this, Unit193 -- double clicking on the .desktop files works [22:00] wxl, No luck [22:00] so the Exec command is correct [22:01] obviously current $PATH is correct because HE can run pcmanfm from lxterminal without specifying full path [22:01] Yeah, but pcmanfm can be picky on start, I'd try something simple like leafpad [22:01] Ok...this is weird. Typing 'pcmanfm', 'pcmanfm %U', 'pcmanfm %U /home/amber' won't start pcmanfm now [22:01] It won't give any errors either [22:01] weird [22:01] It just drops back to terminal prompt [22:02] maybe $PATH is messed up? [22:02] echo $PATH [22:02] I guess not, wxl ...here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/803488/ [22:03] pcmanfm starts fine from terminal once I click on it's icon in lxde menu [22:04] Let me reboot and confirm this...ok(?) [22:06] Come on guys...say yes! [22:06] yes? [22:06] i've got to tell you though [22:06] yes AmberJ you can reboot! [22:06] i'm not a guy [22:06] YES!(?)?!(!)? [22:06] i'm a sexy chick [22:06] Shut up, wxl :D [22:06] :) [22:07] I don't want any chick jokes behind my back while I'm away rebooting :P [22:07] * AmberJ will keep a close eye on #lubuntu logs [22:07] ;) [22:14] MrChrisDruif wxl Unit193: got it working. I replaced 'Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm %U' with 'Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm' in pcmanfm.desktop :) [22:14] After reboot, I noticed that 'pcmanfm' worked from my terminal but 'pcmanfm %U' gives the same error "No such file or directory" [22:15] Oh, what does the %U do actually? [22:15] And, 'pcmanfm %U /home/amber/Desktop' gives same error window first but when I press "ok" in error window, pcmanfm opens fine in /home/amber/Desktop [22:15] No idea what %U does. [22:15] Alright, then you can submit a bug to pcmanfm to get it fixed for EVERYONE [22:16] But without %U, pcmanfm starts fine [22:16] Bug/patch [22:16] MrChrisDruif, do you mean 'ubuntu-bug pcmanfm' ? [22:17] AmberJ: yep [22:17] Something like that, yeah [22:17] pcmanfm has launchpad project afaik [22:17] You can raise a bug on there and include a solution as well [22:19] MrChrisDruif, I'm confused. Do I need to submit this to pcmanfm launchpad project page ? or, ubuntu's "ubuntu-bug pcmanfm"? [22:19] or, both? [22:20] same thing AmberJ [22:20] ok [22:20] Listen to wxl [22:21] you mean THE CHICK? [22:21] ;) [22:21] Yup [22:21] No, I mean THA SEXY CHICK! [22:22] ;-) [22:22] We'll continue this in -offtopic if you don't mind [22:22] los pollitos dicen pio pio pio [22:22] AmberJ: the %U pulls in the UID, so that another user on the computer cannot edit your ~home area [22:24] phillw, So, should I suggest removing %U from 'Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm' in the bug report? [22:25] Or, should I add to bug report that 'Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm %U' should be replaced by "Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm /home/user"? (but this won't be portable) [22:26] from the GUI launching of pcmanfm? no. If your pcmanfm is not starting correctly, my guess would be the use of sudo pcmanfm at some point instead of gksudu pcmanfm [22:27] sudo == broken application [22:28] Do we need sudo when auto-starting pcmanfm during login? philipballew [22:29] oops, sorry philipballew. I meant to hilight phillw. [22:29] no, you do not. But I've come late to this one. What is the error that you are getting? [22:30] phillw, When I try to autostart pcmanfm during login using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop ... [22:30] I get this: http://i.imgur.com/AMvjc.png [22:31] ahh, you want the window to open... pcmanfm already starts on boot. [22:31] So, I tried launching pcmanfm from terminal using different ways: [22:31] oh THAT'S the problem [22:31] I noticed that 'pcmanfm' worked from my terminal but 'pcmanfm %U' gives the same error "No such file or directory" [22:31] And, 'pcmanfm %U /home/amber/Desktop' gives same error window first but when I press "ok" in error window, pcmanfm opens fine in /home/amber/Desktop [22:31] derp [22:31] What? [22:31] pcmanfm already starts on boot [22:32] I was *busy* copy/pasting :D [22:32] yes, because you are asking pcmanfm to open %U [22:32] you ultimately just need to open a new window [22:32] And, how do I open a new window? [22:33] wxl: took a while to get there. Sorry for being late to this, I could have saved some confusion but was busy elsewhere :( [22:35] *bump* [22:35] I'm almost back it it counts [22:36] phillw: so correct me if i'm wrong but his autostart .desktop should have Exec=pcmanfm and we're good right? [22:36] If you can help me, it counts. Otherwise not :D [22:36] Unit193, that^ was for you :P [22:36] I've never asked pcmanfm to open a window on start [22:37] I have a desktop shortcut for it, actually (And yes, I know that's a weird way to do it) [22:37] but, as it works in terminal, it *should* [22:38] ok so AmberJ try Exec=pcmanfm (backup to Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm but you shouldn't need this) in your .desktop and you should be good. if so, no bug needed [22:39] wxl, but what if someone in future follows FAQ wiki page and faces the same problem due to %U being in there? [22:39] AmberJ: i'll take care of that, just do the checking [22:39] Right. Let me check... [22:40] wxl, 'Exec=pcmanfm' works fine. [22:41] great thx [22:41] I'm *not* submitting the bug report now. [22:41] will fix wiki [22:41] Thanks everyone :) [22:43] glad it got sorted! [22:43] wxl: go make a note on the FAQ about the slight difference to auto-open a pcmanfm window :) [22:52] AmberJ: http://is.gd/6pQHhS [22:52] Correct wxl. That's what worked for me :) [22:54] wxl, I don't know if this will be useful (since my problem is already solved) still...when trying to solve this problem, I bumped into this and it sounds familiar: http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=87969.0 [22:55] I hope one can post links to forums of other linux distros (when it can be useful) in this channel(?) [22:57] NO! THAT'S AGAINST OUR RELIGION AMBER! [22:57] Add it to /topic then :D [22:58] hahahah [22:58] AmberJ: as it is marked [solved] and from the middle of last year, there seems little point awakening a dormant thread. [22:59] wxl: And, define 'religion' in a page on lubuntu wiki :P [23:00] phillw, I didn't meant to 'awaken' that thread...I'm way too lazy to do that :D I just posted it here so that *maybe* you guys can infer some useful info out of it. [23:00] If it is NOT useful, feel free to ignore it :) [23:39] Did my message reach this channel? Or, was I disconnected before it? [23:39] That reminds me some part of my notification (on top right corner) is out of my monitor. Any ideas what could be causing this? [23:39] If anyone can hilight me, I can get a screenshot of notification [23:43] Nevermind. Next time (tomorrow!) :) [23:43] Thanks everyone again :) === Ukikie is now known as Guest91153 === Guest91153 is now known as Unit193