| === smoser` is now known as smoser | ||
| snap-l | G'mornin' | 12:12 |
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| Wolfger | morning | 12:31 |
| Wolfger | and why did you give brousch your share of volcano tacos? There's other people here too, y'know | 12:32 |
| Wolfger | although I probably won't be getting many more volcano tacos until after the beefy crunch burritos go away again | 12:33 |
| Wolfger | OK, wtf is up with an article about alternate Android launchers that doesn't show screenshots? http://www.webopedia.com/quick_ref/android_homescreen_launchers.html | 12:35 |
| rick_h__ | party | 13:01 |
| brousch | rick_h__: you back? | 13:10 |
| rick_h__ | not until sat | 13:12 |
| brousch | ah, so no party yet | 13:13 |
| brousch | you're missing all the snow | 13:13 |
| rick_h__ | crap, someone go shovel out my wife please :) | 13:15 |
| brousch | right, i'll be there in 3 hours | 13:16 |
| brousch | i don't think detroit are got much | 13:16 |
| Wolfger | Nah. Hardly anything. Just enough to make everybody drive like near-sighted grannies | 13:20 |
| Wolfger | but the rain/snow mix did make some less-traveled roads slippery | 13:21 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: We got a smattering at best by us | 14:03 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: ah cool thanks | 14:04 |
| rick_h__ | when I left the 10 day had no snow | 14:04 |
| rick_h__ | so hoped she didn't get stuck shoveling | 14:04 |
| snap-l | Unless Clarkston got hard-hit, she'll be fine | 14:04 |
| snap-l | Just enough to say it snowed, but not enough to shovel | 14:06 |
| snap-l | at least not yet. | 14:06 |
| snap-l | though currently it's not snowing | 14:07 |
| rick_h__ | cool | 14:11 |
| tjagoda | Where do I file my petition to request more snow? | 14:53 |
| brousch | tjagoda: in the gassy depths of ur anus | 14:58 |
| brousch | omg, this is what i feel like when snap-l starts talking music http://amultiverse.com/2012/01/13/horace-greenstein-scary-owl-lawyer-purchases-music/ | 15:08 |
| snap-l | Reminds me of HIgh Fidelity | 15:18 |
| snap-l | (the movie) | 15:18 |
| snap-l | And yes, I'm guilty of that. I'll admint it. | 15:18 |
| Wolfger | Beige Lines? LOL | 15:22 |
| Wolfger | and yeah, that does remind me very much of High Fidelity | 15:23 |
| Wolfger | I was not aware Multiverse was still running. I thought it was stopping or something. If not, I have nfc why I unsubscribed the feed... I loved that strip | 15:24 |
| rick_h__ | wheee, I'm slap happy after this week and coming up on demo time | 15:26 |
| rick_h__ | ...ummm...we...did stuff......ugh | 15:27 |
| nullspace | yawn | 15:28 |
| Wolfger | So what massive improvements have you made to LP, rick_h__ ? | 15:32 |
| tjagoda | He could tell you, Wolfger, but then he'd have to kill you. | 15:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: How does it feel to be a superstar? :) | 16:16 |
| tjagoda | Didn't rick_h apply to cannonical like 6,000,000 times? | 16:24 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: I think we all have. | 16:27 |
| snap-l | At least I feel like I have. | 16:27 |
| snap-l | I just haven't hit critical-mass-awesome-levels like rick_h__ has. ;) | 16:28 |
| tjagoda | There are no work from home network admin jobs. =( | 16:28 |
| snap-l | Actually, at SF>net there were | 16:29 |
| snap-l | But when something went pear-shaped at the data center, someone had to go in to fix shit | 16:29 |
| rick_h__ | heh, I ripped out an old JS framework, implemented a YUI combo loader, and saving about 600k and 1-3seconds on page load time :) | 16:38 |
| rick_h__ | heh, snap-l must not have hit my old code yet if he's being nice to me | 16:38 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Show-off | 16:38 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Haven't hit any of the web development stuff yet. | 16:38 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Though I have some opinions on your venv setup. ;) | 16:38 |
| tjagoda | Yay 1-3 seconds | 16:40 |
| tjagoda | I always remembered launchpad being slooow. | 16:40 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: hah! | 16:41 |
| rick_h__ | see, there we go | 16:41 |
| rick_h__ | what did I mess up? | 16:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: just not a fan of where the venv is placed in relation to the code | 16:50 |
| snap-l | see pm | 16:50 |
| tjagoda | Going to burger king and getting onions rings with no onion ring sauce inspires the fury of 10,000 burning suns within my soul. | 17:06 |
| snap-l | That's just indigestion | 17:25 |
| Wolfger | tjagoda: there's such a thing as "onion sauce"? | 17:35 |
| snap-l | I trust tjagoda to know everything I need to know about fast food | 17:36 |
| Wolfger | s/everything/more than/ | 17:43 |
| tjagoda | I am a single man | 17:49 |
| tjagoda | Fast Food is my break from Ramen noodles | 17:49 |
| tjagoda | =p | 17:49 |
| nullspace | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fYTPhuPuF20 | 18:03 |
| nullspace | good to see "little brother" is still watchign the watchmen | 18:03 |
| brousch | snap-l: how do organize your venvs? mine tend to look like this http://paste.mitechie.com/show/490/ | 18:10 |
| greg-g | huh, I hadn't noticed that lodgeIt sets a cookie and then if someone replies to your paste while you were away, it tells you at the top when you come back. | 19:04 |
| snap-l | brousch: I put my venvs under ~/.virtualenv | 19:23 |
| snap-l | and then use virtualenvwrapper to keep trak | 19:23 |
| snap-l | track, even | 19:23 |
| brousch | where does your code go? | 19:26 |
| snap-l | in a directory outside of the env | 19:26 |
| snap-l | dev is under projects | 19:26 |
| snap-l | deployment is wherever is conventional | 19:27 |
| snap-l | but the venv is separate from the codebase | 19:27 |
| snap-l | so if I want to have a webapps venv, I can | 19:28 |
| snap-l | or if I want each web app to have a separate venv, I can configure that with apache | 19:28 |
| snap-l | (note: this assumes you have access to change apache config) | 19:28 |
| snap-l | That way, if someone broke into your app, they couldn't easily inject malicious code into your venv environment | 19:29 |
| snap-l | (at least, not by using ../../etc | 19:29 |
| brousch | interesting | 19:31 |
| snap-l | Call me old-fashioned but I don't like putting libraries within easy reach on a web server. | 19:32 |
| snap-l | That's one thing that irritates me no end with PHP | 19:32 |
| snap-l | especially when the way to fix a problem (from the developers themselves) is to run chmod 777 | 19:33 |
| snap-l | I want to punch babies when I see that | 19:33 |
| Wolfger | ugh. This day can be over now | 19:37 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: That good, eh? | 19:37 |
| Wolfger | why do things always go South on a Friday? | 19:37 |
| Wolfger | chmod 777, the Windows solution to *nix permissions problems | 19:37 |
| Wolfger | wow. that was a delay. I typed that a while ago | 19:38 |
| snap-l | This just made my day: http://www.businessinsider.com/judge-tells-oracle-its-6-billion-claim-against-google-android-is-a-joke-2012-1 | 19:41 |
| snap-l | I relaly think Oracle should just get stuffed. | 19:42 |
| Wolfger | If Google did something wrong, they should pay up... but the judge is absolutely right that 6.1 billion is a ludicrous claim for damages | 19:43 |
| snap-l | At least show your work. | 19:44 |
| snap-l | That's all the judge is asking | 19:45 |
| Wolfger | Uh... no. He's asking them for a new figure, per the article | 19:45 |
| snap-l | Right, because they haven't shown how they arrived at the original number | 19:50 |
| snap-l | Although I really hope that Google didn't have a conversation about licensing the JDK prior to not licensing | 19:51 |
| snap-l | because that'll suck | 19:51 |
| Wolfger | I think those are the e-mails mentioned | 19:53 |
| Wolfger | and I didn't get from the article that they *haven't* show their work, my interpretation was that the judge didn't like their work. | 19:54 |
| Wolfger | "until Oracle comes up with a reasonable method" says to me that he saw their method and found it unreasonable | 19:55 |
| Wolfger | If you file for damages with just a number and no work at all to show how you got that number, you should just get laughed out of the courtroom entirely. | 19:55 |
| Wolfger | but, that's 6 of one or a half-dozen of the other. Either way, same end story. | 19:56 |
| brousch | am i crazy for thinking this is an insane way of keeping track of the days of week and times a store is open? http://paste.mitechie.com/show/491/ | 19:56 |
| Wolfger | brousch: No, you are crazy for other reasons entirely | 19:57 |
| brousch | i didn't write that. i'm trying to make sense of it | 19:58 |
| snap-l | brousch: I'd say it's insane if it doesn't use built-in date/time libraries | 20:00 |
| Wolfger | I gave up trying to make sense of it when the example was "assuming a week = 10 minutes" | 20:00 |
| snap-l | I don't gather if it does or doesn't from the description | 20:00 |
| brousch | i think it stores these things as minutes from sunday at midnight | 20:01 |
| brousch | wtf | 20:01 |
| Wolfger | I'm sure somebody thought they came up with some very clever solution to their problem... | 20:01 |
| Wolfger | so clever that I understand neither the solution nor the problem it's trying to solve | 20:02 |
| brousch | the problem is they want to know when a particular store is open or closed | 20:02 |
| brousch | so this is how they store the open and closed times | 20:03 |
| brousch | not very flexible either. some places' hours change with the season and holidays | 20:03 |
| Wolfger | time zones? | 20:04 |
| brousch | ah well, all i really need to do right now is fudge in a record so my store appears to be open right now | 20:04 |
| brousch | time zones are somewhere else i guess | 20:04 |
| brousch | it's all grand rapids right now, so they haven't worried | 20:05 |
| Wolfger | I mean, if info is stored in terms of "minutes from midnight Sunday", you would need to know the time zone differential between the store and the server. | 20:05 |
| Wolfger | ah, ok | 20:05 |
| Wolfger | and on that note.... time to call it a week. | 20:06 |
| Wolfger | this store is closed :-) | 20:06 |
| brousch | it's only 3pm slacker | 20:06 |
| rick_h__ | 3pm? | 20:06 |
| * rick_h__ is packing so he can get up at 3am and head to the airport | 20:06 | |
| greg-g | wee | 20:07 |
| rick_h__ | yea, party party | 20:07 |
| rick_h__ | man I can't wait to get home | 20:07 |
| rick_h__ | but someone mentioned that monday is a holiday so !!!!!!!! | 20:07 |
| greg-g | not for me | 20:09 |
| greg-g | though it is my last day of paternity leave | 20:09 |
| greg-g | (don't remind me that I'm actually working some have-to stuff that is due EOW right now) | 20:09 |
| rick_h__ | greg-g: oh, well good to get back | 20:09 |
| greg-g | yeah | 20:10 |
| greg-g | it'll be nice to get back into the swing of things, really | 20:10 |
| greg-g | felt really out of it lately | 20:10 |
| rick_h__ | yea, it'll be good | 20:11 |
| brousch | they're also using these things called jsonfields where they type json into a django admin text field | 20:14 |
| rick_h__ | what? jsonfields? | 20:14 |
| brousch | they're using it to store addresses and contact info. that seems lazy | 20:14 |
| rick_h__ | wtf, I ranted on django here. We're building some new crap with it and I'm very unhappy | 20:15 |
| brousch | you type json into the text field, it stores as a string, then converts to dict when it's reetrieved | 20:15 |
| brousch | seems very fragile and lazy | 20:15 |
| brousch | i mean, you have to type the json exactly right or it'll be broken when you use it | 20:16 |
| brousch | to be fair, jsonfield is not in django core, it is some thing various people have hacked up | 20:17 |
| rick_h__ | yea, gotcha | 20:18 |
| rick_h__ | well I'm tired and very ranty | 20:18 |
| brousch | it doesn't make sense to me | 20:18 |
| rick_h__ | I'm not a fan of "these are all the freaking reasons NOT to use django...ok so what are your reasons for?" | 20:18 |
| rick_h__ | "umm, it's very popular. There's a large base of people that use it" | 20:18 |
| brousch | make an address table, make a contacts table, link them in like normal | 20:18 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: probably because they just want a key value type store and it's used over an API | 20:19 |
| brousch | rick_h__: "it looks good on a resume" | 20:19 |
| brousch | there is an api, but they don't use it yet | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Just save a UNIX time-stamp and use seconds. ;) | 20:20 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: then go tell them that "this one angry dev I know wants to know WTF is up with this POS" | 20:21 |
| brousch | heh | 20:21 |
| brousch | well i'll do that monday | 20:21 |
| brousch | this is a site for a local startup/charity. i don't know who actually created this mess | 20:22 |
| snap-l | ask at the next grwebdev | 20:22 |
| snap-l | I'm sure someone knows | 20:23 |
| brousch | but it's _really_ hard to find an experienced django dev in GR, so i suspect it was a n00b | 20:23 |
| brousch | monday is grpug | 20:23 |
| brousch | the startup owner will be there, so i can ask him | 20:23 |
| snap-l | "who developed this, and did they leave their crack pip behind?" | 20:24 |
| snap-l | s/pip/pipe/ | 20:24 |
| brousch | but really, why not just store a street address as a string? why break it up into pieces and save it as json? | 20:25 |
| brousch | sorry for the rant. it really has me going wtf | 20:27 |
| snap-l | WEll, and what happens when you have a PO box? | 20:28 |
| snap-l | or deal with addresses from another country? | 20:28 |
| snap-l | I'm sure a Canadian zip code will break shit | 20:29 |
| brousch | technically this is for restaurants, so they're likely to have a real address. | 20:33 |
| brousch | but surely there's a standard and rrobust way of storing addresses in a django database | 20:33 |
| brousch | ok, i guess not, but i see a couple of alpha/beta things for it | 20:35 |
| rick_h__ | addresses are funny things | 21:10 |
| rick_h__ | so many parts and depends on where you are | 21:10 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's not something that you can slice and dice like that and expect to work | 21:13 |
| snap-l | kind of like 7 digit phone numbers | 21:13 |
| snap-l | 70015551212 = ??? | 21:14 |
| snap-l | actually, i borked that | 21:14 |
| snap-l | was thinking 7 for external line | 21:14 |
| snap-l | 001 for country code | 21:14 |
| snap-l | 555 area code, 5551515 for the whatever you call the last 7 digits of a phone number | 21:15 |
| brousch | i expected a module you could plugin to handle addresses anywhere in the world. this the world wide web | 21:15 |
| snap-l | I thought this was the internets, where we could still use 7 bit ascii | 21:16 |
| rick_h__ | probably easy :) | 21:16 |
| snap-l | fuck, I'm in the wrong area then | 21:16 |
| rick_h__ | cool, checked in for flight tomorrow | 21:25 |
| rick_h__ | with little images on my phone | 21:25 |
| brousch | rick_h__: doesn't canonical use django in a few places already? | 21:33 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: That's pretty neat. | 21:34 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: yes, a ton | 21:35 |
| rick_h__ | doesn't make it less wrong :) | 21:35 |
| brousch | django does everything! | 21:36 |
| * rick_h__ hangs head | 21:36 | |
| brousch | i'm a little ashamed to admit i am enjoying poking around in it again | 21:37 |
| brousch | luckily rick_h__ is thousands of miles away and cannot kick me in the head | 21:37 |
| rick_h__ | I'm too tired to fight any more | 21:38 |
| brousch | woohoo! | 21:38 |
| rick_h__ | and I'm going to be stuck with it | 21:38 |
| rick_h__ | I don't get to develop the project, but I'll have to maintain it | 21:38 |
| brousch | django orm is the bizziggidzomb | 21:38 |
| rick_h__ | ok, now you're just poking me | 21:39 |
| brousch | when do you take off? | 21:41 |
| brousch | actually trying to get the paths and django settings hooked up right in this app was driving me bonkers. | 21:42 |
| rick_h__ | 6am, cab leaves 3:30am, currently 11pm | 21:43 |
| rick_h__ | coming up on that is | 21:43 |
| brousch | go to bed | 21:43 |
| rick_h__ | can't | 21:43 |
| rick_h__ | watching the guys play illumnati or something | 21:44 |
| rick_h__ | they're attacking the federal reserve, whatever that means | 21:44 |
| rick_h__ | boo, can't pull this up http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ofwfj/the_top_10_javascript_mvc_frameworks_reviewed/ | 21:46 |
| brousch | it just says "Jquery winning!" | 21:49 |
| snap-l | illuminati the card game? :) | 21:59 |
| snap-l | Steve Jackson Games. | 21:59 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: yea, some card game with "mega bucks" and rolling of die | 21:59 |
| snap-l | Yeah, you play illuminati, and can control different branches and items like the boy scouts, the Gnomes of ZUrich, etc. | 22:00 |
| snap-l | I've been meaning to pick that up | 22:00 |
| rick_h__ | yea, they've got MTV and a bunch of stuff | 22:00 |
| rick_h__ | kind of crazy to listen to honestly | 22:00 |
| snap-l | It's all about influence. | 22:01 |
| snap-l | Surprised they're playing it. Seemed like the popularity was more in the 1990s. | 22:01 |
| snap-l | But cool nonetheless. | 22:01 |
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