[02:19] <InHisName> Time to break nearly 9 hours of silence, bhahaha ha
[02:19] <ChinnoDog> peep
[02:30] <MutantTurkey> woopWOOOOPwoopp
[02:32] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[02:40] <MutantTurkey> weewub
[02:45] <ChinnoDog> I have an encryption and bootloader puzzle to solve
[02:48] <ChinnoDog> I want to use truecrypt to set up a hidden operating system on a removable drive but the removable drive isn't supported by the BIOS
[02:54] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, you're saying that the BIOS cannot boot a/the usb drive?
[02:55] <ChinnoDog> It is an ExpressCard SSD, and no it can not. There aren't any int13 extensions for it
[02:55] <mikedep333> there are CD"s to help you boot to other drives
[02:56] <mikedep333> maybe the "Super Grub2 disk" can do it
[02:57] <ChinnoDog> I don't want to boot from a CD every time
[02:57] <mikedep333> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[02:57] <mikedep333> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html
[02:57] <ChinnoDog> ok, so the requirements are more complicated than what I've said
[02:57] <MutantTurkey> USE ARCHLINUX IT WILL SOLVE YOUR PROBLEm
[02:58] <ChinnoDog> 1. I want the SSD to be bootable on systems that support bootable disks in the expresscard slot
[02:58] <MutantTurkey> so whats the problem?
[02:58] <ChinnoDog> 2. I want to hide my operating system using TrueCrypt in case the drive ever gets lost / stolen / confiscated
[02:58] <mikedep333> ok, but if your bios does not support it, then when your system without the support will need to use the CD
[02:59] <mikedep333> and when you put it in a system that does support directly booting, it will work
[02:59] <ChinnoDog> Maybe I can compromise. http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10425
[02:59] <mikedep333> that said, I'm not very familiar with creating hidden OS's on drives w/ truecrypt
[02:59] <ChinnoDog> I could buy one of those and leave it in the USB port
[03:01] <ChinnoDog> That adds hardware
[03:01] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, how about a way for your HDD"s bootloader to boot the expresscard SSD?
[03:01] <ChinnoDog> I'm not that familiar with TrueCrypt, which is one of the problems. I could copy my /boot to the hard disk but that makes it harder to hide the existance of the OS on the ExpressCard
[03:02] <ChinnoDog> The bootloader is Windows. Without int13 extensions it won't recognize anything in the ExpressCard slot until the OS loads drivers
[03:02] <ChinnoDog> Linux has the same problem
[03:02] <ChinnoDog> Until it loads the kernel from /boot the expresscard slot is invisible
[03:03] <mikedep333> wait
[03:03] <mikedep333> you expect the expresscard to be directly bootable
[03:03] <mikedep333> but still have a hidden OS?
[03:04] <mikedep333> a BIOS is going to look for a boot sector on the expresscard
[03:04] <ChinnoDog> The bios does NOT look for the boot sector because it doesn't support bootable drives in the express card slot
[03:04] <ChinnoDog> It doesn't have any int13 extensions for it
[03:04] <ChinnoDog> Some laptops can do it, this one can't.
[03:05] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, I'm talking about when you put it into other systems
[03:05] <mikedep333> or do you plan to only keep the expresscard in this system?
[03:05] <ChinnoDog> Oh. Yes, I want it to be bootable so I know that I will have to lay it out as a primary hard disk
[03:06] <mikedep333> ok, if it's bootable though. people will know that there's an OS on it
[03:06] <mikedep333> well, there is grub4dos
[03:06] <ChinnoDog> Not with Truecrypt
[03:07] <ChinnoDog> http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/
[03:07] <ChinnoDog> oh
[03:07] <ChinnoDog> I don't know how to link you to this section of the docs... uh
[03:07] <ChinnoDog> http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-operating-system
[03:07] <mikedep333> if there's a truecrypt bootsector on it, it is implicit that there's an OS on it
[03:07] <mikedep333> you can encrypt it, but you can't hide the fact that there's something on it
[03:07] <ChinnoDog> Yes, but the OS could be anything
[03:07] <mikedep333> ok
[03:08] <ChinnoDog> I could cram a tiny utility OS on it as the primary
[03:08] <mikedep333> well, Ubuntu has a whole initrd environment
[03:08] <mikedep333> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd
[03:09] <mikedep333> where the "casper" script does all sorts of neat stuff
[03:09] <mikedep333> such as loopmounting the root filesystem
[03:10] <mikedep333> and grub4dos lets the window bootloader load up a grub2 bootloader
[03:10] <mikedep333> http://sourceforge.net/projects/grub4dos/
[03:12] <ChinnoDog> That alone won't be enough. Grub won't be able to see the expresscard drive
[03:12] <ChinnoDog> Pretty sure it won't be visible until a kernel is loaded
[03:13] <mikedep333> initrd involves a kernel
[03:13] <mikedep333> but the initrd would have to do the job of the truecrypt boot sector
[03:14] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[03:15] <ChinnoDog> It could just chain to the boot loader on the ssd.
[03:18] <ChinnoDog> If I can do that then I can break this into two separate problems
[03:19] <ChinnoDog> 1. Chaining to the SSD bootloader and 2. Configuration of the SSD with operating systems and TrueCrypt
[03:23] <ChinnoDog> My first step then should be to install a bootable operating system onto the SSD, and then the second step is to try to chainload it
[03:23] <MobileTurkey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qv7k2_lc0M
[03:23] <MobileTurkey> LOL
[03:34] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, good point
[10:06] <JonathanD> Morning
[10:45] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:52] <JonathanD> Howdy rmg51
[10:52] <rmg51> o/
[12:27] <waltman> *yawn*
[12:35] <JonathanD> Happy Friday.
[14:55] <adom> happy Friday the 13th
[15:00] <InHisName> Good lucky day all
[15:13] <waltman> luck, schmuck
[15:14] <ChinnoDog> ooh, Friday the 13th. So it is.
[17:06] <adom> good question: in ubuntu's default file manager (Nautilus), when i open a folder that has images, that little bar pops up above the files with "The media contains digital photos" and a button that says "Open Shotwell Photo Manager". how do i get that to go away and not come back?
[19:27] <JonathanD> EvilResistance
[19:27] <EvilResistance> ohai
[19:27] <JonathanD> Hey there.
[19:27] <EvilResistance> hows things
[19:28] <JonathanD> They are hefty little guys. 2 rack U, about 22 wide with the brackets attached, 14 deep, 4 tall.
[19:28] <JonathanD> I fired everything up last night to make sure it works.
[19:29] <EvilResistance> and does it all work?
[19:29] <EvilResistance> (btw, i've seen heftier things.. dell poweredge rack-mounted servers for instance)
[19:31] <JonathanD> it all works.
[19:31] <JonathanD> I talked across both switches, too
[19:32] <JonathanD> I think I mentioned this but they connect via a scsi-type cable on the back.
[20:22] <EvilResistance> is pleia2 around?  i need to poke her regarding something
[20:22] <EvilResistance> JonathanD:  and yes you did mention that :)
[20:23] <EvilResistance> i assume you have said cable?
[20:26] <pleia2> EvilResistance: you can just tell me what you want to ask :)
[20:26] <pleia2> I'll get to it eventually
[20:27] <EvilResistance> pleia2:  regarding the @ubuntu.com email address for members :PP
[20:27] <EvilResistance> does the mailforward dynamically change when the primary email address for LP is updated?
[20:27] <pleia2> EvilResistance: it should, but you have to wait a few days for the script to run again
[20:28] <pleia2> it's not immediate (just like creation of the initial @ubuntu.com address isn't immediate), it's a cron job
[20:28] <EvilResistance> indeed
[20:28] <EvilResistance> i just wanted to make sure that was the case...
[20:28] <EvilResistance> the email address currently associated with it is marked for cancellation once i cancel the domain name
[20:29] <EvilResistance> on another note, i have my name on a package sitting in oneiric-backports and natty-backports xD
[20:29] <EvilResistance> due to the debdiffs i submitted :P
[20:30] <EvilResistance> (there's now sufficient reason to have the Soyuz icon next to the "Ubuntu" project on my LP page :P
[20:30] <EvilResistance> )
[20:30] <pleia2> congrats
[20:30] <EvilResistance> yeah, well i also submitted a new package for Debian
[20:30] <EvilResistance> so if that gets approved and put into sid, it'll end up coming here :P
[20:30] <EvilResistance> to Ubuntu
[20:31] <EvilResistance> (at which point i'm the maintainer... if i understand the current system)
[20:40] <JonathanD> EvilResistance: I do.
[20:42] <EvilResistance> and that'd be included?
[20:42]  * EvilResistance doesnt have any spare cables :/
[20:42] <JonathanD> yes, it would.
[20:42] <JonathanD> Do you need power cables?
[20:42] <JonathanD> Or do you have a closet full of them like me?
[20:42] <EvilResistance> i might, it seems someone keeps taking all my spare cables for everything
[20:42]  * EvilResistance glares at the other technician working with him to fix clients' computers
[20:43] <JonathanD> heh :)
[20:43] <JonathanD> maybe I'll pad the box with extra power cables.
[20:43] <JonathanD> instead of styrofoam
[20:43] <EvilResistance> xD
[22:23] <Sadin> anyone notice what i wanna build :D http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/334TWFEJT3QDH Mini-ITX machine the funny thing is the parts on my wishlist on amazon are reasonable and after putting it together it will most likely run faster then my current desktop for gaming lol!
[22:25] <Sadin> JonathanD ChinnoDog ^ :D