[14:46] <charlie-tca> No new desktop images today
[14:49] <davmor2> charlie-tca: did you have any issues on hw with ubiquity dying on the last continue click?
[14:50] <charlie-tca> I haven't had any, no
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu doesn't ever tell you to hit Enter to continue on hardware, either. 
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I ran 4 tests on hardware yesterday, with no problems
[15:02] <charlie-tca> davmor2: Do you need something verified?
[15:03] <davmor2> charlie-tca: No on ubuntu 64bit it keeps hanging on me when I click on the continue button on Who are you
[15:03] <charlie-tca> weird
[15:03] <charlie-tca> Mine went right through 
[15:03] <charlie-tca> Could it be the partitioning method causing it?
[15:05] <davmor2> I'm using standard use entire drive
[15:05] <charlie-tca> I will burn the image and try it
[15:16] <charlie-tca> davmor2: clicked on both download updates and 3rd party software, clicked Continue, kernel oops
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Trying again
[15:17] <davmor2> charlie-tca: that's sounding about as reliable as my experience :)
[15:17] <charlie-tca> heh, at least you are not alone :)
[15:24] <charlie-tca> great! it's reproducable, too
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Okay, try this without those boxes checked now
[15:36] <charlie-tca> davmor2: seeing those kernel oops by checking the boxes, I think the image has serious issues. However, not checking is letting me continue.
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Got to the "Who are you?" screen this time. Let's see what happens
[15:37] <davmor2> yeah I had those checked so I wonder if it was oppsing but continuing at the same time 
[15:37] <charlie-tca> clicked continue at the last screen and it is working. I got the slideshow now.
[15:38] <charlie-tca> It is one of those boxes
[15:38] <davmor2> thatnks charlie-tca I'll update my bug and pass the info onto ev
[15:38] <charlie-tca> I am betting on the 3rd party software
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Let me know if I need to pull those kernel oops logs
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Who is the release manager for Xubuntu for this cycle?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Normally, the release manager and the project lead are the same person
[16:58] <charlie-tca> If I am going to called in the release meetings, I will need to know what is going on
[17:06] <knome> charlie-tca, everything is in the meeting minutes
[17:06] <knome> charlie-tca, madnick should handle the release meetings, but it seems he's been rather busy lately
[17:06] <knome> as am i
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Is madnick the release manager then?
[17:07] <knome> that depends what that means
[17:09] <charlie-tca> That means the person with the authority and responsibility for the release cycle. They can make the decisions needed, and they attend the meetings, and they try to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Development/ReleaseProcess
[17:10] <charlie-tca> They keep track of what is happening throughout the release cycle, write release notes, keep the team updated, etc
[17:11] <knome> i am, but since i'm not a technical person, i haven't attended the release meetings, but asked for madnick to do that
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Great. Then I can have my name removed from the "must attend" list
[17:12] <knome> i'm worried about that though, since as i said, madnick's been busy lately, and afaik, haven't attended
[17:12] <knome> i try to send the email every week to the release ML, but sometimes i fail because i need to work on other things, or purely just forget
[17:12] <charlie-tca> If he can't attend, and you are the decision maker, you should be attending
[17:13] <knome> i understand that.
[17:13] <knome> unfortunately things aren't so black&white
[17:13] <knome> what if i didn't get a message from him saying he can't attend?
[17:13] <knome> what if i can't attend myself?
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Sure they are. As Project Lead, you have full and total responsibility for the release.
[17:14] <knome> but before that, i have full and total responsibility of making a living.
[17:14] <knome> there hasn't been problems so far
[17:15] <knome> i've also been in contact with skaet, so if there is problems i hope to hear from them
[17:16] <madnick> hi, im back, acctually, i was quite sure I could attend today, but I got stuck in a meeting regarding my business plan that I had to dicuss before the weekend
[17:17] <knome> generally speaking i don't think any single person should take too much to carry, and the optimal situation is a situation where things are distributed amongst several people
[17:17] <knome> that also makes it easier to replace people, even if one dropped out in the midst of a release cycle
[17:17] <knome> this doesn't mean that i'm not willing to take full responsibility for xubuntu
[17:18] <knome> it just means i don't think ANYONE should do more than they can, and also that i understand that other people have other life than xubuntu too, and so have i
[17:18] <knome> madnick, no problem really. how does your fridays in the future look?
[17:20] <madnick> I think I should be able to attend, since the meeting is outside of normal business hours anyways for me
[17:20] <knome> yeah.
[17:20] <madnick> Its just that, this startup process is quite intense over the past few weeks
[17:20] <knome> i understand
[17:20] <knome> don't worry too much
[17:21] <knome> are you also able to send the mail to the release ML every thursday in the following weeks?
[17:21] <knome> content should be fully covered in the last team meeting minutes, unless it's some time from it
[17:21] <madnick> Well, if we have meetings it shouldnt be a problem, its just about getting the information
[17:22] <knome> yeah, i agree
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Well, let me know if you are doing the alpha2 release, so I know if I need to test it, okay?
[17:22] <knome> charlie-tca, i will inform, and we most probably will if that's done before too
[17:23] <knome> charlie-tca, at some point, we also need your input on accessibility for the new lightdm theme
[17:24] <knome> madnick, are there your work items in the LP blueprints that could be considered "DONE" ?
[17:24] <knome> you have a lot of INPROGRESS but i remember you saying most of them are basically done already, but only need feedback or sth
[17:24] <madnick> perhaps, the thing is, while my things (plymouth excluded) are mostly done, i need a lot of feedback
[17:25] <ochosi> would be good to ask for that @meetings
[17:25] <madnick> yes
[17:25] <knome> could you gather an email or a wikipage of what kind of feedback you need?
[17:25] <ochosi> (although even during normal days it's ok)
[17:25] <madnick> yes i could
[17:25] <knome> that would be awesome
[17:25] <knome> sorry for the jono reference :P
[17:25] <knome> anyway, i could try to send you some feedback ASAP so we can get on with things
[17:25] <ochosi> he
[17:25] <ochosi> :)
[17:26] <knome> right now, the burndown chart looks relatively good
[17:27] <madnick> at this exact moment i have people coming over for beer, but I will get to it during this weekend.
[17:27] <madnick> Ill send an email
[17:27] <madnick> to the ML
[17:27] <madnick> during the weekend with a link
[17:27] <knome> thanks a lot madnick 
[17:27] <knome> have a nice evening with friends and beer
[17:28] <knome> your contribution is very much appreciated :)
[17:28] <madnick> :)
[17:34]  * knome is afk