[00:00]  * BarkingFish looks round his room for the hidden camera planted by ninjas to catch him having a breakdown
[00:06] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to the BarkingFish
[00:06] <valorie> oops, {{{
[00:09] <BarkingFish> thanks valorie, and in exchange, I offer you this token of my lolzworthiness. http://cheezburger.com/View/5689713152
[00:09] <EvilResistance> ScottK:  in debian, what's the release name of sid, 'unstable' or 'sid'?
[00:09]  * EvilResistance is trying to get a sid system
[00:10] <EvilResistance> for packaging xD
[00:10] <valorie> I do indeed LOL!
[00:11] <ScottK> EvilResistance: Both should work.
[00:11] <ScottK> Just as testing/wheezy are currently synonyms.
[00:12] <ScottK> BarkingFish: For test purposes you could just directly change the code.
[00:12] <BarkingFish> okies, I'll have a whizz through the build log and find out which file the typedef failed in, and start from there
[00:15] <BarkingFish> Looks like it was ApnCamData.h, ScottK 
[00:15] <BarkingFish> if I've read the log right 
[00:15] <BarkingFish>  /build/buildd/libapogee2-2.2/ApnCamData.h:43:1: warning: 'typedef' was ignored in this declaration [enabled by default]
[00:16] <BarkingFish> meh, gives me somewhere to start :)
[00:25] <BarkingFish> anybody here good with C++? I'm not so hot, but I have a question.
[00:25] <BarkingFish> I was just searching through ApnCamData.h, the file responsible for issues with libapogee2, and it appears (to me at least) something is not right.
[00:26] <BarkingFish> now I know it's built before, but this looks odd, and I'm wondering if something else should be after it.
[00:27] <BarkingFish> At the end of the other typedef commands, like typedef struct, you get }; followed by a name assigned to it, like APN_HPATTERN_FILE;
[00:28] <BarkingFish> but there's a typedef enum in there too, which ends simply with }; and no name or whatever after it.  
[00:30] <valorie> BarkingFish: you might try #kde-devel for that question?
[00:30] <valorie> since everyone here seems asleep or absent
[00:30] <BarkingFish> yeah, which is really where I should be too, valorie
[00:30] <BarkingFish> as the english expression goes, I believe, I feel like i'm piddling into head wind :P
[00:31] <BarkingFish> I need to rest and get my mind in order before i even try to fix this :)
[00:32] <valorie> pissing into the wind sounds messy and smelly
[00:32] <valorie> :-)
[00:32] <BarkingFish> it's some sort of slang for "fighting a losing battle" i believe :)
[00:33] <valorie> yep
[00:33] <BarkingFish> yeah, well I'm gonna throw that battle aside for now, and go get some sleep 
[00:33] <BarkingFish> take care, have a good night/morning/whatever it is where you are :)
[00:34] <BarkingFish> see ya 
[00:34] <valorie> sweet dreams
[12:39] <Sifrazooy> does anyone here know the capabilities of D-Bus ? what is the applications in the system it is allowed to interact with ?
[13:32] <Riddell> Sifrazooy: your question does not make much sense
[13:32] <Riddell> it communicates between programmes 
[13:44] <Sifrazooy> Riddell mmmm , so it can't get reactions from the OS ?
[13:52] <Riddell> Sifrazooy: it's not clear what you mean by that either, there is a system dbus which runs and root programmmes talk through it
[13:52] <Riddell> if you want to know more you should ask KDE or whatever developer environment you're using
[14:18] <mfraz74> I've got a netbook running Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE 4.8 RC2 and when I try to launch Konqueror, the task bark just fills up with lots of Konqueror entries, but task is started
[14:18] <mfraz74> If I launch Dolphin instead, it works
[14:23] <schnelle_> mfraz74: It is fixed in 4.8.0 final: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290936
[14:24] <mfraz74> Thanks
[14:41] <Riddell> mfraz74: I think that's a bug that got fixed by upstream recently
[15:00] <mfraz74> When is KDE 4.8 due?
[15:03] <Riddell> see techbase
[15:09]  * yofel_ would like to know why virtuoso is constantly using ~10% CPU time on his eeePC when he's doing nothing
[15:10] <yofel_> nepomuk off, and all is fine, happiness :]
[15:14] <mfraz74> 25 Jan
[15:19] <Riddell> burns night
[15:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: does that patch help or does it still fail?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> libapogee
[17:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: no idea, I couldn't apply it (whitespace issues I think)
[17:29] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:29] <yofel> not sure if BarkingFish tried
[17:30] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:30] <BarkingFish> tried what? what have I done now? It wasn't me, I didn't do it, you can't prove it. AAAAAAARGH!
[17:30]  * BarkingFish runs away
[17:30] <yofel> lol
[17:31]  * shadeslayer gets a lasso to trap BarkingFish
[17:35] <BarkingFish> so what am I supposed to have (or have not) done?
[17:36] <yofel> BarkingFish: we were talking about shadeslayer's patch for the libapogee failure
[17:36] <yofel> oh, and that the PPA showed the builds as successfull should be bug 910482
[17:36] <BarkingFish> ah no, I haven't got round to that yet, I think it's a cdbs patch or something weird
[17:37] <BarkingFish> i have no idea how to apply it
[17:37] <shadeslayer> scumbag launchpad, shows canceled builds as completed ...
[17:37] <yofel> go into source folder, run 'cdbs-edit-patch <patchname>', apply patch with patch, exit
[17:37] <yofel> *should* work
[17:38] <yofel> except that it didn't for me, all hunks failed
[17:38] <micahg> shadeslayer: bug 910482, can you post specifics as requested in the bug please?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> micahg: BarkingFish had that issue I believe
[17:38] <BarkingFish> well I've saved the patch already so I just run that command with  patch1 at the end, and it should apply it, right?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: you want to patch the sources during the build
[17:39] <BarkingFish> micahg: I cancelled a build for something in my ppa, when I went back to the package information, it showed the builds as completed successfully, the dropdown under the package showed both builds failed
[17:40] <shadeslayer> the sources should be pristine
[17:40] <micahg> BarkingFish: right, can you please post specifics in teh bug I mentioned earlier
[17:40] <BarkingFish> sure
[17:40] <micahg> thanks
[17:40] <BarkingFish> it'll be in a bit though, I'm just doing the patch doodad above
[17:43] <BarkingFish> yofel: I've done cdbs-edit-patch with the patch name, it now says I'm in a subshell, i need to make the changes necessary to apply the patch and exit with Status 0 to create the patch. The patch already exists, what the heck do I do now?
[17:43] <BarkingFish> I saved it from the diff that shadeslayer pasted last night
[17:44] <yofel> hm, as I understand it, you go and apply the patch in the subshell
[17:45] <yofel> as all the changes you make in the subshell will end up as a cdbs patch
[17:45] <BarkingFish> I don't know how to though.  I can barely package. patching is like giving me a sheet of hebrew and telling me to read it in Georgian.
[17:45] <yofel> ah, apply the patch with 'patch -p1 < path/to/patch'
[17:45] <BarkingFish> ok
[17:46] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: yeah, especially since you have to deal with cdbs
[17:46] <yofel> didn't work for me though, probably because the line endings are a mess
[17:46] <shadeslayer> which is a huge load of shit
[17:46] <BarkingFish> all failed
[17:46] <yofel> ok, same as me then -.-
[17:46] <shadeslayer> derp
[17:46] <BarkingFish> patch is indented 4 spaces
[17:46] <shadeslayer> lemme try something
[17:52] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/186680/
[17:52] <shadeslayer> try this patch
[17:52] <shadeslayer> -p0 this time
[17:56] <BarkingFish> that won't work either, the patch is still indented 4 spaces when I paste it into kate to save it
[17:56] <BarkingFish> It's counting the line numbers in the pastebin as spaces when you copy the data out
[17:57] <yofel> BarkingFish: try to click on raw in the top right corner
[17:57] <yofel> you can save that
[17:59] <BarkingFish> 8 out of 8 hunks failed
[18:01] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/804273/  <<< yofel & shadeslayer
[18:01] <shadeslayer> fffffuuuuuuu
[18:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: can you put your diff on people.ubuntu.com or so? maybe we'll have more luck that way
[18:02] <BarkingFish> shadeslayer: you spelled it wrong, you need a c and a k on the end of that :P
[18:02] <BarkingFish> brb
[18:03] <shadeslayer> sure
[18:04] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: yofel http://paste.ubuntu.com/804281/
[18:06] <yofel> still wrong
[18:07] <yofel> the webpage turns tabs into spaces, or vim or klipper do that
[18:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: can you put it on people.ubuntu.com so we can get the file?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> derp
[18:07] <shadeslayer> lemme see
[18:07] <shadeslayer> haven't used p.u.c in a long while
[18:08] <BarkingFish> still failing
[18:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: open an sftp session there, cd to public_html and put the file
[18:10] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/fix_build.diff
[18:11] <yofel> works :)
[18:12] <shadeslayer> @_@
[18:12] <yofel> BarkingFish: make sure you don't have any .rej files left before you exit the shell
[18:12] <BarkingFish> thanks for telling me now, after I've left the shell 3 times with them in :)
[18:13] <yofel> BarkingFish: then just delete the created patch and do it fresh
[18:13] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: BarkingFish did it build?
[18:28] <BarkingFish> busy elsewhere right now, give me a few moments to finish up and I'll have another go
[18:31] <BarkingFish> patch did not apply here, several errors from bash
[18:32] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/804310/
[18:34] <shadeslayer> wtf
[18:35] <yofel> odd, applied fine here
[18:35] <yofel> what did you do? ^^
[18:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: /home/yofel/tmp/libapogee2-2.2/ApnCamera.cpp:336:44: error: macro "AltaDebugOutputString" passed 2 arguments, but takes just 1
[18:37] <shadeslayer> derp
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Well, one could change the macro in Apn.h
[18:38] <shadeslayer> but then that looks really dirty
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Give me a sec
[18:42] <jussi> evening
[18:42] <jussi> so I just upgraded to 12.04
[18:42] <jussi> couple of small things. 
[18:42] <jussi> mouse is flickering/diappearing :(
[18:43] <jussi> I dont have smoothtasks anyomore and thres no space near the border of my quassel.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: BarkingFish try this instead : http://paste.kde.org/186692
[18:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: the code is horrible to begin with, can't do much worse
[18:43] <shadeslayer> jussi: there's a new plasmoid
[18:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: remove the earlier patch
[18:43] <shadeslayer> I agree
[18:43] <jussi> shadeslayer: called? 
[18:44] <shadeslayer> jussi: Icon only task manager
[18:44] <shadeslayer> jussi: oh, did you name your daughter yet?
[18:45] <jussi> shadeslayer: I dont see the plasmoid. and no, not yet. still a few weeks away
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Hmm ... lemme check
[18:46] <shadeslayer> jussi: this http://wstaw.org/m/2012/01/14/plasma-desktopuX1978.png
[18:48] <jussi> oh duh, its in some pckage, I was looking to apt-get install plasma-widget-icon-only-task-manager or something :P
[18:48] <shadeslayer> nope, comes by default I believe
[18:49] <jussi> hrm, cant seem to add a widget thought... :(
[18:49] <jussi> and mouse vbeing flickery doesnt help
[18:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: that works
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yay
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's way cleaner than the previous patch :D
[18:50] <jussi> shadeslayer: and where is the turn desktop effects on and off now?  seems to be removed from the systemsettings -> desktop effects? 
[18:51] <shadeslayer> jussi: it's in the same place for me
[18:51] <yofel> true ^^
[18:51] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/01/14/plasma-desktopJs1978.png
[18:52] <jussi> shadeslayer: and just where is enable/disable desktop effects now on that? 
[18:52] <jussi> enable at startup isnt the same thing..
[18:52] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:52] <shadeslayer> jussi: press Alt+Shift+F12
[18:53] <jussi> hrr
[18:53] <jussi> doesnt work
[18:53] <jussi> wonder whats going on here
[18:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: Go to the advanced tab and check you have openGL and not xrender
[18:54] <yofel> great, now curl is missing
[18:54] <shadeslayer> In compositing type
[18:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: nevermind, I figured it. the nvidia driver had been uninstalled for some reason
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ...
[18:55]  * shadeslayer goes off to implement tail in pyth0rn
[18:55]  * jussi thorns shadeslayer
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ouch
[18:57]  * yofel thorns libapogee
[19:00] <yofel> IT BUILT \o/
[19:01] <Riddell> ooh
[19:01] <yofel> needed 2 more changes for new curl
[19:09] <BarkingFish> guys - On an entirely unrelated subject, is there any chance of us having a look at muon in 11.10 please? I think it needs some work.  Got a guy trying to use it on a fresh install of 11.10, everything else works but muon is crashing out with signal 11 every time he starts it.  he's done all updates and i'm clueless as to where else this should go.
[19:09] <yofel> talk to JT when he's around
[19:10] <BarkingFish> okies
[19:11] <BarkingFish> i need to go out for a short while, I'll be back in about 50 minutes or so.
[19:11] <yofel> BarkingFish: dget http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pkgs/libapogee2_2.2-0ubuntu4~ppa1.dsc
[19:12] <yofel> should build, but the patches should be renamed
[19:52] <BarkingFish> sorry about the break there, I realised I had no coffee, and me without coffee is not a good thing :)
[19:53] <EvilResistance> hehe
[19:58]  * yottabit imagines a fish barking until coffee is inserted into his feeding tube
[20:10] <BarkingFish> yottabit: I am seriously unpleasant without some form of caffeine inside me. I either start the day with a half pint of coffee, or two cans of red bull.  Once that's done, bring it on :)
[20:10] <BarkingFish> i've been drinking coffee since i was 6 :P
[20:10]  * yofel chooses coffee there
[20:11] <BarkingFish> and I'll be 38 next sunday :)
[20:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: yay
[20:27] <yottabit> BarkingFish: hahah, i completely understand, i down about 12 cups/day
[20:27] <yottabit> which probably isn't good
[20:28] <BarkingFish> lightweight :)
[20:28] <yottabit> :D
[20:28] <BarkingFish> I'm on around 16 - 20 cups a day
[20:28] <BarkingFish> that's on a good day
[20:28] <yottabit> wow
[20:29] <yottabit> i also take vyvanse though so i think that makes up for the difference ;)
[20:29] <mikecb> how strong? and how many ounces per cup?
[20:29] <Quintasan_> WHY NO SOUND IN FLASH
[20:29] <Quintasan_> GOD DAMN IT
[20:29] <yofel> folks, the offical coffee channel is #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:29] <yottabit> actually
[20:29] <yottabit> it's #coffee or something like that :)
[20:29] <Quintasan> http://www.classical.com/album/FC16696
[20:30] <Quintasan> Y U NO LET ME LISTEN TO THAT
[20:30] <yofel> doesn't matter, >50% chatter in #kubuntu-offtopic is around coffee :P
[20:30] <Quintasan> sob
[20:30]  * Quintasan cries
[20:30] <BarkingFish> I use instant coffee, mikecb - usually about a teaspoon and a half per mug, that's an 8 fluid ounce mug.
[20:30] <BarkingFish> I can get through a regular jar in about 2 days :)
[20:31] <yottabit> yeah, #coffee exists, ~21 people :)
[20:31] <Quintasan> Who has the magical stick of fixing Flash?
[20:31] <mikecb> 85.5mg of caffeine per mug
[20:31] <yottabit> ometotchli
[20:31] <yottabit> the drunken rabbit god has those powers
[20:31] <yofel> Quintasan: usually involves running 'pulseaudio -k' and restarting browser
[20:31] <mikecb> based on usda estimate of instant content
[20:32] <mikecb> I had some sound issues recently too
[20:32] <mikecb> music which played fine except the singers voice was really soft/garbled
[20:32] <yottabit> same
[20:32] <Quintasan> Can anyone explain the "OVER 9000 PEOPLE ADDING ME ON G+" ?
[20:32] <yottabit> flash froze took over my audio
[20:32] <yottabit> but killing the browser fixed it
[20:33] <yottabit> Quintasan: #kubuntu-offtopic can
[20:33] <Quintasan> Do we even have such a channel?
[20:33] <yottabit> yup
[20:34] <Quintasan> yottabit: Doesn't work :/
[20:34] <Quintasan> ah
[20:34] <Quintasan> mean for yofel
[20:35] <yofel> :/
[20:35] <Quintasan> now that's funny
[20:36] <Quintasan> I stop PA and alsa via init.d and still have sound
[20:36] <Quintasan> :DDD
[20:38] <Quintasan> I give up
[20:56] <BarkingFish> yofel: I got the dsc for libapogee2, how do I actually build it?
[20:58] <yofel> BarkingFish: did you dget it? that'll get all
[20:58] <BarkingFish> yes, I did
[20:58] <yofel> BarkingFish: then you can feed the .dsc to pbuilder
[20:59] <yofel> or dpkg-source <dsc> to unpack it
[20:59] <yofel> *dpkg-source -x <dsc>
[21:00] <BarkingFish> that doesn't work, yofel
[21:01] <BarkingFish> dpkg-source -x libapogee2_2.2-0ubuntu4~ppa1.dsc  gives: dpkg-source: error: can't open libapogee2_2.2-0ubuntu4~ppa1.dsc: No such file or directory
[21:01] <BarkingFish> yet I know it's there. I can see it.
[21:04] <yofel> makes no sense, never failed for me
[21:05] <yofel> are you sure the file is in the same folder you're in?
[21:06] <BarkingFish> yeah, it's just worked. Lord only knows why it missed first time.
[21:06] <yofel> note when modifying patches: I used quilt to create them, not cdbs
[21:07] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[21:07] <BarkingFish> Looks like somebody needs to write me a guidebook on this.  
[21:07] <BarkingFish> It's applied all the diffs and stuff directly to the source from the looks of it
[21:07] <yofel> quilt is the default patch system these days, so there's handbooks for that
[21:07] <BarkingFish> oh ok
[21:08] <yofel> BarkingFish: right, it did that becase debian/source/format is now "3.0 (quilt)"
[21:08] <yofel> see dpkg-source manpage for the meaning
[21:09] <BarkingFish> righty ho.
[21:10] <BarkingFish> i can't build it though. Since you've already signed it, do I need to sign it again before I can build it, or am I doing something stupid here? :)
[21:12] <BarkingFish> at least I assume it was you who signed it. maybe it was shadeslayer. I don't know anyone's names round here :)
[21:14] <yofel> that's mine (see mail address :P)
[21:14] <yofel> BarkingFish: how does it fail?
[21:15] <BarkingFish> gpg: /tmp/debsign.AQ3BEC5V/libapogee2_2.2-0ubuntu4~ppa1.dsc: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[21:15] <BarkingFish> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting.
[21:15] <yofel> why are you trying to sign it?
[21:15] <BarkingFish> well I'm trying to build the package using debuild -S
[21:16] <BarkingFish> and it's asking me to sign it
[21:16] <yofel> BarkingFish: debuild -S creates source packages
[21:16] <yofel> you already have that
[21:16]  * BarkingFish headdesks
[21:16] <yofel> use either dpkg-buildpackage if you're on precise, or pbuilder to build it
[21:17] <BarkingFish> have you already sent it to the buildd then?
[21:17] <yofel> I have it in my PPA, i386 built fine
[21:18] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:26] <BarkingFish> ok, it's built here yofel - I did get a warning from the build, but it doesn't appear to have affected anything whatsoever
[21:26] <BarkingFish> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Depends field of package libapogee-dev: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}
[21:28] <yofel> ah, if that's Arch: all, remove that