[08:21] <yofel_> wth is /sys/fs/cgroup o.O?
[09:37] <Ian_Corne> ey my clock is gone
[09:38] <Ian_Corne> hrmf even after unity --reset
[09:39] <jtaylor> did you reinstall datetimeindicator?
[10:02] <Ian_Corne> um
[10:02] <Ian_Corne> no
[10:02] <Ian_Corne> not that I know
[10:02] <Ian_Corne> The following NEW packages will be installed: indicator-datetime
[10:03] <Ian_Corne> ok seems like it got eaten up by an update somwehere
[10:05] <jtaylor> yes unity upgrade killed it if you weren't carefull
[10:05] <jtaylor> always read dist-upgrade log carefully
[12:46] <tech2> Hi all, I note that dnsmasq has changed where it's reading config from, from /etc/dnsmasq.conf to /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf and wondered if anyone knew much about the change, whether I need to maintain its config differently, etc.?
[12:50] <penguin42> tech2: That sounds more like it's being started by network manager which is telling it to use that file
[12:52] <tech2> penguin42: ok, that's a great start, and chances are that yes, it is. It seems to be a recent change though (dns wasn't working for me when I last restarted and I had to work out why), so I'm wondering if this is something I need to configure/manage differently, or if I can just copy my old config to /var/run (which seems counterintuitive)
[12:53] <aguitel> how to make autologin in xubuntu 12.04 ?
[12:53] <penguin42> tech2: Not sure, I agree it's probably not the right thing to copy it to /var/run
[12:54] <penguin42> tech2: If nm is running dns-masq I'd expect you can still run your own instance as well
[12:55] <tech2> thanks penguin42, looks like I have more reading to do :/
[13:28] <ebischoff> Hello all. Precise is being tested here for a while and mostly works great. However, I found something strange today : libreoffice-writer has no icon in KDE's quick launcher. It's really not a problem, but I found it was better to report it. I hope that helps.
[13:29] <aguitel> how to make autologin in xubuntu 12.04
[13:49] <ikonia> ebischoff: log a bug, reporting it in an irc channel doesn't do anything
[13:51] <ebischoff> honestly, I don't know whether i will do it, given the success of my previous bug reports (against radeon and kmail). but thanks ikonia.
[14:07] <acer_aspire8930> running ubuntu 12.04 but the kernel version still only allows me to boot 3.0.0-13-generic.  I have to manually edit the boot loader to read 3.2.0-8.generic,  I have run sudo grub-update, but nothing seems to change,
[14:08] <jtaylor> acer_aspire8930: 3.0 an oneiric kernel?
[14:08] <acer_aspire8930> yes it is
[14:08] <jtaylor> you have grub installed from that so it stays the default
[14:08] <aguitel> i have crash report in the panel ,but i cannot read this ,how i read this?
[14:08] <acer_aspire8930> I update-manager -d 11.10
[14:08] <jtaylor> you ahve to reinstall grub from precise to get it default in the menu
[14:09] <jtaylor> hm it might be different in that case
[14:09] <acer_aspire8930> how do I reinstall grub for 12.04
[14:09] <jtaylor> sudo grub-install /dev/<some-device>
[14:10] <penguin42> acer_aspire8930: How is your machine setup - does it just have oneiric updated to precise on it or does it have some bual boot ?
[14:10] <acer_aspire8930> ok thanks
[14:10] <acer_aspire8930> 11.10 updated to 12.04
[14:10] <jtaylor> though as always when dealing with grub there is a chance that things get screwed up
[14:10] <jtaylor> so to stay safe stick with editing the cfg
[14:10] <acer_aspire8930> ok sure will do
[14:11] <acer_aspire8930> thanks for the advise
[14:13] <aguitel> i have crash report in the panel ,but i cannot read this ,how i read this?
[14:13] <aguitel> where are the crash report stored ?
[14:15] <penguin42>  /var/crash
[14:16] <aguitel> penguin42, thanks
[14:16] <penguin42> aguitel: The apport-* commands can unpack and generally fiddle with them
[14:24] <scarleo> Hi, I'm having some trouble with my broadcom driver in Precise, I have to modprobe wl every startup. Is it a known issue and can it be fixed?
[14:25] <scarleo> to clarify: wl is loaded but I need to modprobe -r wl; modprobe wl
[14:37] <aguitel> any twitter client for xfce ?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:44] <CT1> Hi.  Apart from bugs bugging things up, will installing precise alpha 1 and up(dating)/(grading) result in the same system when 12.04 is released as if I'd installed 12.04 final?
[14:45] <rigved> hi everyone.
[14:45] <penguin42> CT1: In principal, but there can be a few differences
[14:46] <penguin42> CT1: For example earlier alphas might decide to install a package that later ones don't need, also there a few things that get fixed in some of the update scripts that might not have been in hte alpha
[14:48] <rigved> i think the zeitgeist daemon is not working on my 12.04. Everytime i type "cal" in the dash search bar, it displays libreoffice calc. Then i select the calculator. So, next time when i type "cal", is should display the calculator as the first result, right?
[14:49] <CT1> penguin42: Are those various "things" not upgraded/removed (when I update)? Does it depend on what alpha I originally installed?
[14:49] <CT1> penguin42: (bugs asside)
[14:50] <penguin42> CT1: I don't think extra packages that were previously installed necessarily get removed, and the other fixes I was thinking of I think end up in the scripts in do-release-upgrade etc - they're fixes for odd things that don't fit well in packages
[14:53] <scarleo> rigved: Hi, not sure how it's supposed to work but I have that same behaviour in both 12.04 and 11.10. Never had it "learn" anything
[14:54] <CT1> penguin42: I'm halfway around the world visiting my brother.  I want to upgrade his (dual boot with win7) Lucid to something that (eventually) will be stable/LTS.  He uses Ubuntu every now and then.  When I leave, I'd like to know that the alpha will be auto-updated/upgraded to the final release.  Would this not be the case?
[14:55] <rigved> scarleo: ah. ok then. actually my 11.10 was also similar. i thought that using the history stored by zeitgeist, the items should get ordered. anyways, thanks! at least now i know that it is the default behaviour.
[14:56] <penguin42> CT1: It should upgrade all the packages but as I said there may be a few things not quite the same; also remember that what you have now is an alpha and there may be things horribly broken that could cause problems
[14:57] <CT1> penguin42: Thankyou for your advice.  I'll leave Lucid untill my next visit.
[14:57] <penguin42> CT1: Yeh probably best bet
[14:58] <dsdale> Hi folks. Is anyone else seeing "The permission of the setuid helper is not correct" errors?
[15:01] <anadon> hey, how stable is 12.04 now?
[15:02] <anadon> last time I tried, there were x11 issues, and a bad libre-office upgrade
[15:02] <Daekdroom> Not stable enough.
[15:02] <jtaylor> well a new X is about to land, so that will start over ^^
[15:03] <anadon> good
[15:03] <anadon> I'd like to get my hands on a more stable ubuntu
[15:03] <penguin42> jtaylor: Oh that should be fun :-)
[15:03] <anadon> god knows we've all had more boot-loader issues than anyone cares to count
[15:04] <jtaylor> I didn't have any boot issues yet
[15:05] <jtaylor> but sound is borked in the same way as happend last cycle to me :/
[15:05] <jtaylor> there can only be one application emitting sound, when I start two everything mutes
[15:05] <anadon> great fun, right?
[15:06] <penguin42> jtaylor: That's almost as if something isn't using pulse
[15:06] <jtaylor> no idea
[15:06] <jtaylor> last time it just disappeared after a reinstall
[15:06] <anadon> any word on wayland?
[15:07] <jtaylor> I should try that again, only takes 10 minutes with eatmydata ;)
[15:07] <penguin42> jtaylor: if you have something with sound playing you could look at the file descriptors it has open and see if it has the /dev/snd/* open directly
[15:08] <jtaylor> it has
[15:09] <penguin42> yeh, I had that problem a few weeks ago - I think it sorted it self out for me, although not tried rebooting yet after this weeks updates
[15:23] <dsdale> I'm getting errors when I try to upgrade nux-tools: "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_nux.py', which is also in package libnux-0.9-common 0.9.48-0ubuntu4". Anyone know a workaround?
[15:24] <jokerdino> just rm it?
[15:31] <chmac> Click on the clock, Time & Date Settings > Clock > Time in other locations > Choose Locations... What needs to go in the entries? I'm getting no auto-complete and whatever I try doesn't work.
[15:32] <chmac> I'm trying "Sydney", "Sydney/Australia", "UTC+2", none of it's working.
[15:32] <chmac> I liked that feature previously, the little map showing daylight hours, the dots for my chosen locations, was very helpful.
[15:33] <penguin42> chmac: Can you submit a bug for that, it should help you out
[15:34] <chmac> penguin42: Does it work on your system?
[15:34] <chmac> penguin42: I was going to ask on #ubuntu, see if it works for folks on 11.10
[15:34] <penguin42> chmac: If I type I get noauto complete etc - but when I hit return it gives me a list based on what I typed in
[15:35] <chmac> Bingo, you're right, same here.
[15:35] <penguin42> that's not too bad - may be not obvious
[15:35] <chmac> penguin42: It's probably working as expected then, but maybe not as intuitive as it could be, or maybe it's my slow net connection that it takes a while to laod.
[15:35] <chmac> s/laod/load
[15:36] <penguin42> nod - it's quite nice being able to add that
[15:40] <chmac> penguin42: Can you add Vancouver? Nothing's coming up for me...
[15:40] <chmac> It's definitely not intuitive!
[15:41] <penguin42> no, it doesn't show that
[15:41] <penguin42> odd
[15:41] <chmac> I can't get it to return anything on the west coast of the US / Canada.
[15:42] <chmac> Los Angeles, San Francisco, Vancouver, none of them work.
[15:44] <chmac> Oh well, Portland works
[15:44] <chmac> I suppose that'll do... :-)
[15:51] <BluesKaj> chm I'm in eastern time zone in Canada, but my city doesn't show either ,but Toronto works for me
[15:51] <BluesKaj> oops , too late
[17:24] <aguitel> what is the twitter client native from xfce ?
[17:27] <zniavre_> there is ?
[17:28] <aguitel> i dont know
[17:28] <zniavre_> i only know gwibber
[17:28] <zniavre_> knows *
[17:28] <aguitel> me oo
[17:28] <aguitel> too
[17:28] <zniavre_> :o)
[18:07] <aguitel> is razor qt running in 12.04 ?
[18:33] <rebe> redshift is in my autostart, but it doesn't start with ubuntu, why is that ?
[18:34] <jtaylor> what happens when you start it in a terminal
[18:36] <rebe> http://pastebin.com/TyyhrhwY
[18:37] <rebe> when I start it manualy (gui version) it's ok
[18:37] <rebe> and it was ok with autostart, only recently last couple days, it fails to start
[18:38] <pdq> it didn't work for me either when added to startup applications, i found when i added the latitude longitude to the command it worked. it was the geoclue failing
[18:38] <mrdeb> hi
[18:39] <mrdeb> is 1204 almost ready to put on a pc
[18:39] <mrdeb> ?
[18:39] <rebe> I'll try that pdg
[18:42] <pdq> okie
[18:44] <aguitel> is razor qt running in 12.04 ?
[18:44] <mrdeb> what is that
[18:46] <mrdeb> ?
[18:48] <aguitel> http://razor-qt.org/
[18:50] <mrdeb> ok
[18:56] <mrdeb> hi rebe
[18:57] <rebe> hi
[18:59] <rebe> pdg you added it to autostart command ?
[18:59] <rebe> or in terminal ?
[19:00] <pdq> rebe, i added it to the startup applications gui like: redshift -l 49.89:-97.17 -t 6500:5500
[19:00] <rebe> what that -t is ?
[19:01] <pdq> -t is the daytime:nightime temps
[19:02] <rebe> oh, ok
[19:02] <pdq> can check for the options: man redshift
[19:02] <rebe> I also have a problem with pidgin autostart, it starts but cannot connect
[19:02] <rebe> I have to start it manualy
[19:02] <rebe> (Pidgin:2766): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap"
[19:03] <rebe> here's what terminal shows
[19:12] <rebe> pdg, it worked thx :)
[19:12] <pdq> nice :]
[19:13] <rebe> and with that pidgin it says (waiting for internet conenction) on autostart and it's never ending story, so I guess that pidgin starts before connection is established and than it blocks somehow
[19:14] <pdq> this is in 12.04? yeah sounds like needs delay or something
[19:14] <rebe> and way to delay autostart app, so it waits let's say 10 sec ?
[19:14] <rebe> any way*
[19:14] <rebe> Pidgin 2.10.0 (libpurple 2.10.0)
[19:16] <rebe> also "show system tray" doens't work in pidgin
[19:16] <pdq> you're in 12.04?
[19:16] <imnichol> I've got a bug in oneconf that is marked as "invalid" and is not assigned to anyone.  What can I do to get the attention of the right person?
[19:16] <pdq> maybe can try http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7737297&postcount=11 i dont autostart anything but redshift and screen
[19:18] <rebe> pdg I'm in 11.10
[19:19] <pdq> ah, if ask in main ubuntu chan prob get better responses
[19:19] <rebe> I did lol they told me to ask here :)
[19:19] <pdq> oh lol
[19:20] <pdq> i use gnome-shell myself so i dunno unity stuffs like their indicators
[19:20] <mrdeb> ok
[19:20] <mrdeb> well good luck
[19:28] <rebe> I fixed that pidgin :)
[19:29] <rebe> sh -c "sleep 10 && /usr/bin/pidgin &" delays autostart
[19:29] <pdq> kewl
[19:52] <rebe> there is no way to enable global menu only when window is maximized in 11.10 ?
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> unity is boarked :(
[20:54] <urlin2u> you have 2d or gnome-shell installed? Have you tweaked conpiz?
[20:54] <urlin2u> compiz*
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> I've tweaked compiz A LOT
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> is the only way I could use Unity :)
[21:02] <urlin2u> FernandoMiguel, I have mine tweaked as well in 11.10 though, it has to be done right, and I need a compiz restart at times to get the window headers back.
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> eheh
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> unity update wants to remove ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> bah
[21:05] <urlin2u> lol go for it live on the bleeding edge. I know yiou know better just joking.
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> I just don't upgrade such packages till they are read
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> *ready
[21:09] <FernandoMiguel> glad I have 11.10 and 12.04 live ISOs set on GRUB2 and ChromeOS installed on disk
[22:33] <mrdeb> hi, is pangolin ubuntu good enough fo use now
[22:34] <mrdeb> who knowsthis
[22:35] <pangolin> not yet
[22:35] <mrdeb> wow ok
[22:35] <mrdeb> well but 1204 will be here tsoon, so which is better to instaln now
[22:36] <mrdeb> hmm?
[23:18] <osmosis> Will Pangolin use Python3 by default?
[23:20] <jtaylor> no
[23:20] <jtaylor> thats insane
[23:21] <jtaylor> if you mean python = python3
[23:21] <osmosis> will python3 ever be default?
[23:21] <jtaylor> in many years perhaps