| EvilResistance | ScottK: is there any way to make a debian sid base.tgz within Ubuntu, for building debian unstable source packages? | 01:07 |
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| EvilResistance | or anyone else :P | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | EvilResistance: yes, I believe pbuilder-dist should be set up to do that without having to tweak things | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | though building source packages shouldn't be a problem | 01:24 |
| EvilResistance | ajmitch: the issue is building the binaries and then testing them | 01:24 |
| EvilResistance | trying to get something into debian :P | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | right, 'pbuilder-dist sid create' | 01:25 |
| EvilResistance | ajmitch: is there a way to run the built binaries within a sid chroot? the debian mentor peoples want me to test the binaries before uploading the "repaired" source package | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | yes, you can do it, though I usually prefer a VM for testing | 01:27 |
| * EvilResistance had two rejected uploads of the package, but is allowed to resubmit only when he's repaired it as much as he can | 01:27 | |
| EvilResistance | you tell me how to make a sid VM that doesnt explode and i'll use that | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | you can risk bind-mounting home, I think the PbuilderHowto wiki page has info on that | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | 'explode' how? | 01:27 |
| EvilResistance | ajmitch: by "explode" i mean it results in numerous errors ranging from stdin/stdout to FATAL: Cannot stat <blah> stuff | 01:28 |
| EvilResistance | going from stable -> unstable by modifying the apt sources list stuffs | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | sounds fun | 01:28 |
| EvilResistance | yeah that's what i said | 01:28 |
| EvilResistance | in #debian-mentors @ OFTC xD | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | yeah I saw | 01:29 |
| * ajmitch is sitting in an airport so can't really help you through setting it up :) | 01:29 | |
| EvilResistance | OW! | 01:29 |
| EvilResistance | damn, these compressed air cans get COLD | 01:29 |
| EvilResistance | very quickly :/ | 01:29 |
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| jincreator | Hi. Is it possible to request remove package and sync together? | 07:54 |
| tumbleweed | why do you need to remove & sync? | 07:57 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: Beacuse the ppackage I want to request sync has higher version than package in Debian. | 07:58 |
| tumbleweed | jincreator: removing it won't help | 07:58 |
| tumbleweed | people may already have it installed, so they won't upgrade unless the version is higher | 07:59 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: Hmm...You are right. | 08:00 |
| tumbleweed | which packge is this? | 08:01 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: ttf-unfonts-core, ttf-unfonts-extra | 08:01 |
| tumbleweed | both have been removed from debian | 08:03 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: Actually changed to fonts-unfonts-core, fonts-unfonts-extra. | 08:03 |
| tumbleweed | I see | 08:03 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: and there's also ttf-unfonts-core, ttf-unfonts-extra, but just metapackage. | 08:03 |
| tumbleweed | the version for ttf-unfonts in Ubuntu is currently 1.0.3.is.1.0.1-0ubuntu1, so I suggest just following that scheme | 08:05 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: Well, but version fot ttf-unfonts in Debian is 1.0.2-080608-5 - higher version. | 08:08 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: Actually I heard merging package is one way to solve this question. But seems ttf-unfonts is not in merges.ubuntu.com. Or am I do something wrong? | 08:10 |
| jincreator | (I have never merge package before) | 08:10 |
| tumbleweed | jincreator: 1.0.2 < 1.0.3 | 08:14 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: I mean 1.0.3 is actually 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 | 08:15 |
| tumbleweed | we need to do 1.0.3.is.1.0.2-080608-5ubuntu1 (or something like that) | 08:16 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: So, how can I merge package if it's source is not in merges.ubuntu.com? | 08:21 |
| tumbleweed | by hand | 08:22 |
| tumbleweed | you take every change we made, and apply it to the new version | 08:22 |
| tumbleweed | (that's how I tend to merge, anyway, when it's not trivial) | 08:23 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: Hmm...after I did it, report to launchpad is enough? Seems I also need to add comment at m-o-m summary page. | 08:25 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 08:30 |
| jincreator | tumbleweed: I'll try. Thanks! | 08:32 |
| KNRO | so I'm wondering, if a user can go ahead and add a PPA to their sources, how come 'one-click' install is not available in Ubuntu? i.e. ability to add repo and packages from one go? | 09:02 |
| tumbleweed | KNRO: You can see some of the concerns to that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyRepositoryApplicationProcess | 09:12 |
| KNRO | tumbleweed: "last edited 2009-06-16" so it looks like nothing happened much about it. OpenSUSE has a one-click install method that worked pretty well I recall. | 09:15 |
| tumbleweed | that's not the point. The point is that one-click install is dangerous | 09:15 |
| geofft | I hear there's lots of Windows malware available via 'one-click' installs. | 09:16 |
| jincreator | ls | 09:37 |
| jincreator | oops... | 09:37 |
| KNRO | Tumbleweed: You can ask user for permission. At any rate, the user can manually add the PPA and install the 'dangerous' software | 09:37 |
| tumbleweed | KNRO: considering the size of the ubuntu repositories, and broken situations users are already getting into with 3rd party repositories, is that necessary? | 09:39 |
| jtaylor | isn't there a firefox plugin that kind of does that? | 09:39 |
| jtaylor | adds ppa's on click of a link | 09:39 |
| KNRO | Tumbleweed: It makes software release for 3rd party folks easier. Instead of telling users how to add PPA to software center, I just say click here to download the latest version | 09:40 |
| jtaylor | KNRO: opera has something like that | 09:40 |
| jtaylor | they offer a deb which can be "one click" installed | 09:40 |
| jtaylor | the deb then adds a ppa | 09:40 |
| tumbleweed | so does google chrome | 09:40 |
| jtaylor | so you get autoupdates | 09:40 |
| tumbleweed | but it's ugly! | 09:41 |
| tumbleweed | chrome even has a cron job that re-adds the ppa if you disable it :/ | 09:41 |
| tumbleweed | KNRO: how about packaging your app in Debian / Ubuntu? | 09:41 |
| jtaylor | lol | 09:41 |
| tumbleweed | err s/ppa/repository/ | 09:42 |
| KNRO | really, so I might look into how Opera does it :P | 09:42 |
| KNRO | see, they have to resort to "hacks" to get that done | 09:42 |
| tumbleweed | KNRO: we really don't encourage our users to find software on the web, but rather find it in the software centre | 09:43 |
| KNRO | Tumbleweed: yeah, I will ask for my packages to be added to Universe soon. | 09:43 |
| tumbleweed | KNRO: going via Debian is preferred | 09:44 |
| KNRO | tumbleweed: Does Debian has something akin to the Universe repo? | 10:03 |
| jtaylor | KNRO: debian has main for all free stuff | 10:03 |
| jtaylor | which is ~ ubuntu main + universe | 10:03 |
| KNRO | jtaylor: Ok thanks! | 10:04 |
| jtaylor | anyone else getting hangs with apt-cacher-ng in precise? | 10:45 |
| jtaylor | localhost works, but remotes work for a short while and then lock up | 10:45 |
| ISK | Hello! | 11:26 |
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| EvilResistance | ScottK: how can I run a Debian linitian check on a package, short of grabbing a debian VM and running lintian there? | 17:06 |
| EvilResistance | i need to find out whether or not this is still occuring: W: maintainer-script-lacks-debhelper-token debian/postrm | 17:06 |
| EvilResistance | (and if so, how to fix it) | 17:06 |
| jtaylor | which ubuntu version hasn'T got that check? | 17:07 |
| jtaylor | I don't think thats new | 17:07 |
| Laney | --profile debian should work anyway | 17:07 |
| Laney | i think | 17:07 |
| ScottK | Yes. It does. | 17:07 |
| jtaylor | ubuntu does not check that? | 17:08 |
| Laney | I can't believe that it doesn't | 17:08 |
| jtaylor | me neither, I'm pretty sure I saw it in the past | 17:09 |
| Laney | anyway you can just look at postrm and see if the token is there | 17:09 |
| EvilResistance | is the token just #DEBHELPER#? that's what the lintian docs over at Debian say, but i'm not sure | 17:10 |
| Laney | yes, do lintian-info -t maintainer-script-lacks-debhelper-token | 17:10 |
| EvilResistance | ah. well i think i fixed that lintian error now... :) | 17:14 |
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| alkisg | On my-package.postinst, I want to display a notice to the users that I regenerated a certificate that had expired, and they need to copy it to all their computer lab clients, otherwise the program won't work. | 17:41 |
| alkisg | What would be an appropriate way to do that? A debconf note? | 17:41 |
| jtaylor | Debian.news probably | 17:42 |
| jtaylor | NEWS.Debian | 17:43 |
| alkisg | Ah, thanks, I couldn't find it in google :) | 17:43 |
| jtaylor | though that won't be displayed by default | 17:44 |
| alkisg | Hmm that won't do then | 17:44 |
| alkisg | I only have a few users, and it's only going to be for that one upgrade, so I know they'll appreciate the notice, it won't annoy them | 17:44 |
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| Q-FUNK | hi | 20:41 |
| Q-FUNK | would anybody be interested in reviewing a suite of 6 packages that are ready to submit to Precise's NEW queue? | 20:41 |
| EvilResistance | um... werent you here yesterday? | 20:49 |
| EvilResistance | and didnt they say it'd be easier to get new packages into Ubuntu by first submitting them to Debian? | 20:49 |
| Q-FUNK | EvilResistance: yes. and? | 20:49 |
| Q-FUNK | EvilResistance: actually, it's not easier. | 20:49 |
| EvilResistance | says you | 20:50 |
| Q-FUNK | says 10 years of experience at this. | 20:50 |
| * EvilResistance has a package sitting in the Debian acceptance queue that are likely going to be accepted in the next 2 days | 20:50 | |
| EvilResistance | according to the debian sponsors i've spoken to :P | 20:50 |
| Q-FUNK | I uploaded my first package at Debian in 2003 and have been a user longer. | 20:50 |
| EvilResistance | i've been an end user since two years ago. i started packaging things 9 months ago. i've become pretty decent at it. | 20:51 |
| EvilResistance | just because you've been doing this longer doesnt mean you know that its easier to submit direct to Ubuntu than to Debian | 20:51 |
| jtaylor | it certainly shouldn'T be easier, but its better | 20:51 |
| Q-FUNK | EvilResistance: I'll say this exactly once: I came here asking for constructive feedback on the packaging. unless you're gonna chip in on this, please stop. | 20:52 |
| EvilResistance | fine, watch the MOTUs tell you similar stuff | 20:52 |
| EvilResistance | alright, that's it, no more packaging for me for the next week or so | 21:20 |
| EvilResistance | i've about had it with the evil asinine methods Debian has for packages | 21:20 |
| jtaylor | ? | 21:22 |
| EvilResistance | jtaylor: i've got issues with how Debian wants code structured for packaging | 21:22 |
| EvilResistance | esp. Python apps | 21:22 |
| EvilResistance | if they have a specific structure of an upstream program for packaging, they need to fscking PUBLISH their desired structure | 21:23 |
| jtaylor | whats your problem with the policy? | 21:23 |
| EvilResistance | give TEMPLATES | 21:23 |
| EvilResistance | not leave people in the dust and give ambiguous unhelpful shitstatements | 21:23 |
| * EvilResistance is done, walks off for a while | 21:23 | |
| jtaylor | there are many thousand templates in the archive | 21:23 |
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