[00:00] also, when trying to change font size in the settings for lxterminal, they apparently do not save. upon restarting lxterminal, it always reverts back to the original (smaller) font size [00:00] jmichaelx: what graphic card have the laptop? [00:01] cousteau; I think it firstly depends if Wayland will be heavier on system resources, but for that we'd need a working Wayland first to test...don't we? [00:02] sure [00:02] well, my impression is that, being a graphic server oriented towards direct hardware acceleration, it'll be slower... but who knows [00:03] So the coming two years, if not more we don't need to worry about that cousteau. Btw, it would be a nice discussion over at #lubuntu-offtopic [00:05] pederindi: it is an nvidia geforce 420 go (nv17) [00:06] nice, so I recommend you to install the official driver [00:06] pederindi: you would recommend the proprietary driver over nouveau? [00:07] seems that you have problem with a open-source driver [00:08] pederindi: ok... that may well be the case, although i would almost expect nouveau to perform better overall than the ancient nvidia driver [00:08] you can test if official nvidia's driver solve your problem [00:09] jmichaelx: have you tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal [00:09] please let me know if it is not working & I'll raise a bug for it. [00:11] phillw: ty [00:11] pederindi: would you recommend 'version 96' or 'version 96 updates'? [00:12] why cant we switch users on lubuntu as in lxde we can? [00:12] Sillion: you can in 12.04 :) [00:12] ok ok [00:13] is it because of lxsession? [00:13] give the devs a bit of breathing space. 1st up was a stable release accepted by Canonical :) [00:13] jmichaelx: i put geforce > geforce 400 series > geforce gt 420 > linux 32-bit | here: http://www.nvidia.es/Download/index.aspx?lang=es [00:14] but I don't know if is your card! [00:15] pederindi: probably similar, although mine is the mobile (laptop) version. ty for the suggestion. i think i will try one of the drivers in the repos first [00:15] for video cards and the discussion of which driver is best etc. the best place to head is http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 It is dedicated to sound and vid cards :) [00:16] again, ty, phillw [00:18] If any of you are asking questions on the main forum area, would you please use the lubuntu tag... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Ubuntu_Forum has how to set it [00:19] I go to bed, good luck jmichaelx [00:23] ok, the nvidia 96 (updates) driver from the repo did NOT work. i now have a completely white screen [00:27] jmichaelx: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1753978 but take care to read the entire thread as the last post is important!" [00:37] bye everybody [00:49] jmichaelx, nvidia 96 is usually synonim of "install them manually" [00:55] cousteau: as I don't use nvid, is http://joeslifewithubuntu.blogspot.com/2011/09/update-on-that-nvidia-96-driver-for.html still relevant for 11.04 / 11.10 people? [01:00] I use 10.10... [01:01] phillw, the drivers on repositories sometimes work, sometimes don't... I usually install them myself, with all the messed up consequences that has [01:02] I'm glad I've only ever had intel or AMD video card systems on my laptops :) [01:06] cousteau: well, this one has a [solved] tag for 10.10 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1597264 [01:06] phillw, well, it basically needs a new [solved] for each version [01:07] i found the problem with nvidia-96 and my geforce 420 go in this fprum post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=417188&highlight=geforce+420 [01:07] it usually gets solved as soon as ubuntu repos get an upstream version of the nvidia drivers, solving incompatibilities with the current xorg version [01:07] quite possibly, that is why I try to herd people over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 [01:07] it tends to happen always, every release [01:16] my display is now slightly off-center. does anyone know whether or not it could be shifted slightly one direction.. or even stretched slightly further one direction, on a laptop LCD? [02:57] is it possible to change the behavior of clicking on the notify window? [02:59] i just installed razor-qt from the ppa on a newly installed lubuntu system, but cannot get a razor-qt session started, either using lxdm, or by killing lxdm, and running 'razor-session' from the command line' [02:59] any suggestions [03:46] is there a way to adjust monitor power settings? after a while, my laptop lcd panel shuts off, and will not wake back up without rebooting [03:49] jmichaelx: yes, Menu --> Preferences --> ScreenSaver [03:49] phillw: duh. sorry about that. [03:49] jmichaelx: np, in the advanced tab, you have the power settings. [04:01] anyone familiar with remastersys? [04:05] h4ckm3: nope, but the http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys set of intructions are good, [04:06] just be aware what he says about it being discontinued [04:07] phillw: do you know if true transparency is possible with lxsession? [04:08] phillw: next question: what about changing the behavior of clicking on the notify window? [04:12] I wish i could kill the notify window. [04:12] with an axe or a chainsaw, actually [04:13] but, at just gone 4am, I'm off to bed :) [04:15] ty [04:15] I'll read it! [04:16] I think he has recently been talked into continuing it! [05:10] How can I get compositing to work so I can use docky? [05:14] i like using kupfer [05:14] there is cairo compositing iDiytto [05:14] Does it come with lubuntu? [05:16] holstein: How can I enable it? [05:16] iDiytto: not that im awaro of [05:16] aware* [05:16] Oh [05:16] Well I thought there was a visual effects menu, but I can't find it [05:16] i would start here http://cairo-compmgr.tuxfamily.org/ [05:17] iDiytto: ? [05:17] theres not effects like that in lubuntu [05:17] LXDE is light [05:17] lubuntu is light [05:17] Oh okay [05:17] effects are arguably heavy [05:17] you can install and enable compiz if you want [05:17] I do have compiz installed [05:17] No idea how to use it [05:17] iDiytto: right [05:17] arguably? [05:18] so maybe you want to use cairo [05:18] wxl: right [05:18] wxl: the math is happening on the graphics card no? [05:18] who really cares? [05:18] but... i find it slows things down [05:18] i guess [05:18] I have the CompizConfig settings manager [05:18] there is the hard drive space :D [05:19] wxl: this would be where an arguent could be inserted ;) [05:19] hah [05:19] i just say, try it iDiytto , and see for yourself [05:19] enlightenment's kind of nice for light+fancy [05:19] iDiytto: you'll need to start it [05:19] Compiz? [05:20] xcompmgr is another option [05:20] iDiytto: orrect [05:20] correct* [05:20] Unit193: what do you think of it? [05:20] i think cairo is more stable [05:20] am i wrong or is there no cairo package? [05:20] holstein: I don't use any comp managers, but someone else thought it worked well enough [05:20] iDiytto is stuck on copmiz though [05:20] And it's already in repo [05:21] Unit193: thats true [05:21] Why am I stuck on compiz? [05:21] iDiytto: not sure [05:21] >.> [05:22] it'll look a lot like this [05:22] http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/ [05:22] iDiytto: ^^ [05:23] otherwise, check out xcompmgr, or cairo [05:23] Oh yeah its not running then [05:24] wxl: i think you just get it from here http://download.tuxfamily.org/ccm/cairo-compmgr/ [05:24] Ill try cairo [05:24] iDiytto: if you didnt "run" it, its not running [05:24] Yeah [05:24] Well i tryed to run compiz in terminal but everything failed :p [05:24] but like Unit193 and wxl say, xcompmrg is in the repos [05:24] iDiytto: you can read that link i gave you [05:25] compiz --replace is what you need [05:25] but, you dont need compiz for docky [05:25] Well i just want compositing for docky [05:25] i like wbar [05:25] Nothing fancy like compiz does [05:26] What is wbar? [05:26] its a dock [05:26] doesnt need comp to be fancy [05:27] Do you have a screenshot of it? [05:28] Is it like a dock like docky or more like a bar thing [05:28] Like a panel [05:28] I just want it to auto-hide [05:29] its nothing like docky [05:29] its light [05:29] iDiytto: it can be configured to do whatever [05:29] hide [05:29] not hide [05:29] Okay cool [05:29] be big.. whatever [05:29] its got a config file [05:29] Does it have a settings panel [05:29] Oh okay [05:29] iDiytto: nope [05:29] I think i can do that [05:29] not that im aware of [05:29] iDiytto: yup... its actually kind of fun [05:30] like conky ) [05:30] :) [05:30] Im on the google code page [05:30] What deb package do i want to get? [05:30] Oh nvm its in package manager [05:31] yup [05:31] i used to have it in the middle of my screen :) [05:31] Lol cool [05:32] Where is the config at? [05:32] you can start it with command line arguments [05:32] you can point it to a config file [05:32] its up to you... i forget.. its been a while [05:33] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-412867.html [05:33] ^^ you can read there, but i am pretty sure it *does* auto-hide now [05:34] hey! [05:34] http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/11/wbar-simple-lightweight-and.html [05:34] looks like there is a *-config GUI [05:38] Yeah im working on installing that now [05:42] Wow this is awesome [05:42] :D [05:44] Where are the Fonts installed to? [05:45] iDiytto: im not sure.. but im sure its all customizable [05:45] probably more like you just point it to some fonts you want it to use [05:46] Well yeah [05:46] But i dont know where the fonts are [05:46] I need to have a font [05:46] /usr/share/fonts? [05:46] maybe... [05:47] Yep! [05:48] Gah [05:48] i dont do docks anymore, but when i do, i use wbar... i like it for family or whatever to because i find its less breakable... and so light [05:48] Theres not an auto-hide [05:48] iDiytto: i might have just always done "let windows cover" or whatever [05:49] i remember not needing auto-hide [05:49] i thought i had tried it recently and it had that added to it though... but im not sure... [05:49] if its a deal-breaker for you.. then its a deal-breaker [05:50] Nah I like this more [05:50] Idk [05:50] Ill figure something out either way :p [05:52] enjoy! [05:54] Yep :p [07:49] morning [07:51] http://postimage.org/image/x6fpf64hz/ Why? === smile_ is now known as smile4ever === smile4ever is now known as smile [10:31] Hello! I would like to disable screen locking after computer wakes up from suspend. xscreensaver-demo and ~/.xscreensaver have lock: False. What am I missing? [10:33] I'm not sure that is possible joesepp , but I hope others will be able to prove me wrong [10:34] MrChrisDruif: Why not? [10:37] Because your system almost completely shuts down, keeping all the programs info in RAM and such as difference [10:38] joesepp; http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1836#p5283 [10:40] Thanks, but this still doesn't resolve it [10:41] Alright, continue searching [10:41] thanks [10:42] You want to prevent entering your password after suspend right? [10:42] that's right [10:43] * MrChrisDruif wonders what would happen if you remove xscreensaver all together [10:44] joesepp; source: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/449602-disabling-password-resume-suspend.html [10:46] How can I disable xscreensaver starting up in the first place? [10:48] Well...if you remove it would be one way [10:49] short of that? [10:49] The other would require delving into unknown config-files (unknown to me at least) and removing it their from starting. [10:49] there* [10:51] joesepp; http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/disable-screensaver-in-lxde-745203/#post3633034 [11:00] Did that help joesepp ? (I can't try because I'm not running Lubuntu myself) [11:01] that one basically suggests the removal of xscreensaver again. I think I might just do it.. [11:02] joesepp; [11:02] Did you read the comment about the autostart.sh? [11:04] yes, doesn't work i did: grep -R screensaver ~/.config/* [11:05] returned nothing [11:08] Does grep also look inside files with that command? [11:08] yes [11:08] but i found something now [11:09] a global autostart dir appears to be here: /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart [11:10] it's a file actually that has "@xscreensaver -no-splash" written on the first line [11:10] so i'll try to comment that out [11:13] I'm sorry I can't help you [11:13] ok thanks anyway === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial [18:04] Hi can someone help me? :) I'm trying to execute a .sh script at the end of the startup procedure (executable .sh file into .config/autostart) [18:04] but it doesn't work [18:04] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/805393/ [18:06] 1. Does it have the executable bit? 2. Are you the only user for the system or do you want it to run for all? [18:07] Unit193: 1) Yes 2) Only. :) [18:07] maybe the executable i want to kill is launched later in the boot process (and the sh is before it) [18:08] can i startup it with a delay than? :p [18:08] You *can* place those commands in /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but I'm not sure that's exactly supported ;) (Shhhhhh, but I've done it) [18:09] Unit193: with an @ before it? :p [18:09] It's what I did [18:09] But remember what you did as that's NOT a "recommended" section [18:09] ;) [18:10] Unit193: no problem. I'll reinstall if it fails :p [18:10] That's the file for when you select the "Lubuntu" session (or one of them) [18:11] Backing up the default is also good [18:12] yeah, I understand & i've already done that :) [18:13] i'll reboot in half an hour :) [18:14] Great, just making sure you know all what that does [18:16] Unit193: and now i hope it will work :) [18:28] Unit193: didn't work [18:29] You seem to be killing somethinjg that starts on boot, wouldn't it be better to just disable that? [18:30] Unit193: I need it once every time my pc boots up :) [18:30] May also depend on what gets started first [18:30] AmberJ: hi. :) [18:30] Unit193: It restores my volume level. :) [18:41] hi [18:42] why does pcmanfm keep a usb active so long after copying a file to 100% [18:53] smile: Killing something restores? Heh [18:53] Copying a file to 100%.... [18:53] Unit193: it restores the volume level for example to 70% [18:54] and then i want to close the program :) [18:54] How do you have it run? [18:57] Unit193: how do you mean? :p [18:57] Well, you said you have it on startup, how? Or did it put itself there? [19:01] hey smile and everyone [19:03] Unit193: It's by default. Part of gvfsd :s [19:04] Ah, alrighty [19:21] Why does not my PC speaker "beep" in linux? [19:22] Linux, or Ubuntu? [19:22] On XP (on same dual boot system), it beeps fine. [19:22] Lubuntu 11.10 [19:22] AmberJ: I hate the beep so i would be happy :p [19:23] Some annoying Ubuntu dev got annoyed at it and disabled it 30 different ways, I have only found 17 ways to enable the terminal bell (Not quite the same, but close) [19:23] http://www.arsgeek.com/2006/08/23/how-to-turn-off-the-annoying-system-beep-in-linux-debianubuntu/ [19:23] smile, I use that primarily for feeble but audible hilights during night (when my parents are sleeping). [19:23] pretty sure thats what it looked like when i turned that off [19:23] Unit193: i bet thats what i have going on [19:24] i *want* the terminal bell :/ [19:24] didnt think about that til just now [19:24] holstein: I gave up after the first 17 (Little kidding, I have done at least 7 different ways to enable it) [19:24] isn't terminal bell same as the beep sound coming from PC speaker? [19:24] I ended up just using an awesome script for irssi [19:25] AmberJ: ok :p [19:26] Hey, is there a way I can replace chromium with midori on 11.10? Trying to remove chromium defaults to installing firefox automatically. [19:27] Juan: just install it, and enjoy :) [19:27] Juan: first install Midori and then try to remove chromium? ;) [19:27] holstein, That link says to add some text to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to disable system beep....but my file is already empty. And, I need to enable it [19:27] I did. [19:27] It install firefox. [19:27] Then if I try to remove firefox it install epiphany. [19:27] And so on. [19:28] Juan, A couple of days ago someone posted a command to do that...wait, let me look at logs [19:28] I'd like just midori as disk space is scarse. [19:28] I'd appreciate it AmberJ. [19:29] Juan: Did you install midori yet? [19:29] AmberJ: you can try xset -b [19:29] First thing I did. [19:29] and add that as a script or whatever [19:29] Juan: try sudo apt-get remove chromium-browser --no-install-recommends [19:29] purge is more fun ;) [19:29] I'll try that on epiphany, chromium and firefox already gone. [19:31] AmberJ: "sudo apt-get purge chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin konqueror" Was the line they posted [19:31] Haha. [19:31] As long as it works. [19:31] Unit193: Juan is the midori one [19:31] lol yea...Juan, that line by Unit193 was what I was talking about ;) [19:32] Unit193: xD [19:32] or maybe im wrong... [19:32] I am. [19:33] I have to go, bye :) [19:33] Seems that's the way to go guys. [19:33] Thanks. [19:33] holstein: Yeah, that's why I have it to amber, and said "was the line he posted" [19:34] Juan: Alrighty! [19:34] Otherwise it'll keep wanting to install an alternate browser. [19:34] That line has them all covered. [19:36] 'xset -b' is to disable system beep(?) I read 'man xset' and found out that 'xset b on' was supposed to help. But I still *don't* hear a beep :( [19:36] AmberJ: OH [19:36] i totally misread [19:36] i thought you were trying to turn it off [19:37] i try every year or so to get the beeps enabled ;) [19:37] naah. I want to turn it on. [19:37] never happened [19:37] i did get it turned off a few times [19:37] I've got "pactl upload-sample /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/bell.ogg bell.ogg" in my Ubuntu in startup, but I don't know if it would work in Lubuntu [19:37] i assumed maybe the machines in question didnt have the capability [19:38] Myrtti: you use that just for startup? or does that get triggered for other things? [19:38] holstein: it sets the audiosample to be played on audible bell afaiko [19:38] /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/bell.ogg doesn't exist in Lubuntu, but worth a shot with another file [19:39] Myrtti: i would be fine with something like that [19:39] I'm a bit confused here... Myrtti, Would not that beep be sent to speakers instead? [19:39] I want audible PC speaker bell that beeps inside the cabinet/cpu [19:40] AmberJ: yes, it would, but it's still better than not getting anything at all [19:40] yeah, thats what im assuming its just not working or not there... [19:40] Myrtti, right thanks. noted. [19:40] i run a hard drive scan that beeps when its done, and it doesnt always beep [19:40] thats from a live CD [19:40] But I'll still prefer pc speaker beep :D [19:40] so i assumed it was hardware [19:42] hello guys [19:43] holstein, In my case, it beeps fine on XP (same system). So, imho hardware is not at fault here [19:43] is there any small tool that ican use to change keymap easily without need to go the the lxkeymap ?? as in a one has a tray icon ? thanks [19:43] Myrtti: Would you mind sending me that file? (Upload, direct, even email?) [19:43] AmberJ: TRUE! [19:44] i havent tried enabling on one that i *know* beeps [19:45] Unit193: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/all/ubuntu-sounds/filelist [19:45] Thank you [19:46] anyone guys ?? welli wish ican change keymap with only some shortcut any idea how to ?? [19:46] just a minute kosaidpo [19:46] AmberJ: sure ' ] [19:46] ;] [19:47] kosaidpo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455877 [19:48] AmberJ: ok thanks chekin it [19:52] kosaidpo, for example: 'setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle us,dvorak' .... sets Ctrl+Shift key combo to switch keyboards between QWERTY_US and DVORAK [19:52] AmberJ: yeh got it ; ] thanaks [19:52] Put that line in startup file and you'll be good to go. [19:58] holstein, Unit193 got a system nearby that's supposed to beep but won't? [19:59] That's any *ubuntu [19:59] I think I found a solution... [19:59] yea any linux will do :D [19:59] sudo apt-get install beep [20:00] When it's installed, try this command: 'beep' [20:00] * Unit193 was sure he had it, then purged it [20:03] 'man beep' is useful as well... [20:07] AmberJ: no beeps yet [20:07] i fired up the box that beeped at me ealier when i tested the drive [20:10] nah.. all my tricks have failed again... i not sure what im not doing properly [20:11] openssh-server & client installed , /etc/ssh/sshd_config configured and still refuses connection with permission denied ... [20:12] holstein, what are you trying to do or not do ? I just got here [20:12] kop: we ( AmberJ and others ) are talking about system beeps and how to *enable* them [20:12] the PC speaker, inside the box [20:13] i was saying i have gotten them disabled a few times [20:14] hi [20:14] i was wondering if we can have lxmed for lubuntu for next release [20:14] http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/files/ [20:15] saleem: It's not in the repo, it'd have to be there first [20:15] holstein: Oh, I did get it once, but only when I VNC'd in! Explain that one to me :P [20:15] Unit193, i checked, its not there on repos [20:15] holstein, what about: 'beep -f 1999 -l 5000 -r 10 --debug' ? [20:16] saleem: I know, I checked [20:16] its a good utility [20:17] i had forgotten about beep... trying... [20:17] maybe it is saleem ...but as Unit193 said, it needs to be in the repos first. [20:17] nah... no beeps [20:17] lemme look in alsamixer [20:18] nah.. :/ [20:19] holstein, one last try. I know this is weird but if it works, I have found a valid explanation for this: 'sudo beep' [20:19] holstein: Did you try Myrtti's idea? (Though the file I found seemed to be a null clip, must have found a different version) [20:20] holstein, or better: 'sudo beep -f 1999 -l 5000 -r 10 --debug' [20:20] nope :/ [20:20] Unit193: i feel like i can get that happening [20:20] this internal beep thing is "personal" [20:21] AmberJ, yes i read what Unit193 , i will put a request for this package to be added to the repo, hope it will be approved [20:22] holstein, My 'sudo' trial was based on this: http://pastebin.com/AGTCe0Tp (source: 'man beep') [20:23] AmberJ: ill keep trying though [20:23] holstein, It says: "What this means is that root can always make beep work (to the best of my knowledge!)....." (and so I asked you to try beep with sudo). [20:23] every new and then, i get into it and try again [20:25] now* [20:39] holstein, try try: 'xkbbell -force' ? [20:40] AmberJ: i already closed it :/ [20:41] have to get some things done before the gig.. like a nap ;) [20:41] lets try and touch base about this in a few days though [20:41] id like to know how to sort this out [20:42] holstein, you should also try these two in order: 'sudo modprobe pcspkr' ....and then: 'beep' [20:42] Note it down :) You can try later [20:42] Note what down? [20:43] holstein, my sources: http://askubuntu.com/posts/19909/revisions and http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man3/XkbBell.3.html (you might need this if one of above command works) :D [20:44] MrChrisDruif, holstein and I are trying to get our system beep (PC speaker audible bell to work). Two commands worked for me and I gave them to him to note down and try later [20:52] Why doesnot unchecking/disabling [View]->[Toolbars]->[Menu bar] in firefox activate firefox's orange button? [20:55] Firefox's Orange button? [20:56]