[01:47] <DoYouKnow> hi. does pangolin have integrated firmware for bcm4312?
[01:47] <DoYouKnow> I think that's my card... it's under bcm4328, I think
[01:47] <DoYouKnow> there are ~2 names for it
[01:59] <pangolin> !broadcom
[01:59] <pangolin> DoYouKnow: not sure if it is built in or not but the above info will help you get it working
[03:52] <TheBuntu> i found this command on http://www.thehosthelpers.com/general-chat/upgrade-ubuntu-11-10-to-12-04-today-1797/  ... is this a true upgrade? ... sudo sed -i s'/oneiric/precise/g' /etc/apt/sources.list ....    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --purge && sudo apt-get clean
[04:00] <pangolin> itwill "work:
[04:00] <pangolin> not recommended way to do it though
[04:01] <pangolin> err this keyboard needs to go
[04:02] <TheBuntu> so far 12.04 seems pretty good
[04:02] <TheBuntu> what wrong with the keyboard.. key going bad
[04:03] <pangolin> my space key
[04:03] <nonix4> TheBuntu: hmm, I haven't yet got it working outside livecd, hitting too many bugs on the way...
[04:04] <TheBuntu> nonix4,  i used that command i found on the web and upgraded 11.10. Works pretty good...
[04:07] <nonix4> TheBuntu: hitting things that look like Bug #120375 symptoms reappearing for example...
[04:13] <TheBuntu> nonix4, i don't have a raid so i guess thats why it went smooth for me
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:39] <penguin42> Hey BK
[15:53] <tsurc> hi  anyone had any problems with 12.04 and Ipv6? Im not seeing any router advertisements from my router, yet both my galaxy nexus and this very laptop running centos see them fine.
[17:24] <Sil4nc4> hi why is the precise raw disk space 750MB? It does not fit on my cd i want to burn? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120114/
[17:24] <pangolin> Sil4nc4: the alpha iso's are sometimes over sized
[17:25] <Sil4nc4> so ...
[17:25] <Sil4nc4> nothing todo about it?
[17:25] <LjL> it says "Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 700MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine."
[17:25] <Sil4nc4> ok
[17:25] <pangolin> those are your options ^
[17:25] <Sil4nc4> not about to waste a dvd
[17:26] <penguin42> use a thumb drive
[17:26] <pangolin> go virtual :)
[17:26] <Sil4nc4> cant
[17:26] <Sil4nc4> will check usb
[17:26] <pangolin> well if none of those options are viable I'm afraid you are out of luck :/
[18:09] <jtaylor> unfortunatly 750mb is a deliberate decision
[18:09] <jtaylor> no conincidental oversize
[18:09] <jtaylor> pangolin: ^
[18:10] <pangolin> jtaylor: silly decision if Ubuntu is to be accessible to all human beings
[18:10] <LjL> yes, i read about that too
[18:10] <LjL> but i wasn't sure it was a final decision
[18:10] <jtaylor> its weird
[18:10] <pangolin> not everybody can afford DVD and not everybody can boot from USB
[18:10] <Ian_Corne> pangolin: maybe we should make it 3mb so it fits on a floppy?
[18:11] <pangolin> Ian_Corne: maybe you should not be so damn sarcastic and take into account the promise that was made 7 years ago by the founder.
[18:11] <LjL> +1
[18:11] <Daekdroom> It was starting to get too difficult to fit an OS like Ubuntu in 700MiB
[18:11] <Ian_Corne> pangolin: there are cds that hold 750mb I think even
[18:11] <Daekdroom> And Ubuntu would hardly run in a computer that does not have a DVD drive yet.
[18:12] <Daekdroom> (Lubuntu, on the other hand)
[18:12] <Daekdroom> Up to 800MiB, Ian_Corne
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> 700mb was the lcd of all cds
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> so it's still possible
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> can you still request a free cd?
[18:12] <LjL> no
[18:12] <pangolin> Ian_Corne: the point i am trying to make is that the people ubuntu is trying to reach ( not so much anymore i think) are the people who can't afford the larger format cd/dvd/usb
[18:13] <Daekdroom> I don't see a problem there as long as Xubuntu and Lubuntu still ship in 700MiB, really.
[18:13] <pangolin> anyway, it is not an issue for me but it is for millions of potential users.
[18:14] <LjL> well then i don't "see a problem" as long as some other distro ships in 700MB, for that matter
[18:14] <LjL> people will just switch to it, fine, good riddance
[18:15] <pangolin> I am glad my tattoo has more meaning to me than just being an Ubuntu lover.
[18:15] <pangolin> Because if this trend continues I am not sure how much more i can advocate for Ubuntu. :/
[18:16] <LjL> at least it's a feeling shared with a few other people, so you know it's not just you.
[18:17] <pangolin> LjL: it makes me sad though
[18:18] <Sil4nc4> for me the problem is not the size, but i did not have my usb or a blank dvd disk @ hand
[18:18] <LjL> which means it is the size, doesn't it?
[18:18] <Sil4nc4> and since i only had 700Mb CD's to put it on for the moment
[18:19] <Sil4nc4>  / had / have
[18:19] <pangolin> Sil4nc4: right, now Imagine you did not have the ability to get a usb or dvd
[18:19] <LjL> i've used Ubuntu for ages without having a DVD drive
[18:19] <pangolin> you would be out of luck and might go looking for a different distro
[18:19] <Sil4nc4> well then i need to wait untill it fits that format no? Or switch to another distro or OS
[18:20] <urlin2u> ubuntu can be installed from the ISO in a partition using grub
[18:20] <pangolin> Sil4nc4: apparently it will not be fitting on 700mb any longer
[18:20] <Sil4nc4> good to know
[18:20] <pangolin> urlin2u: how accessible is that to the new user?
[18:20] <pangolin> we are supposed to make linux easy...
[18:21] <Sil4nc4> i never check ISO anymore, since I use to boot them using PXE or USB but that is not the case.
[18:21] <pangolin> This is an argument I am really not in the mood for. I am not happy with the current direction Canonical is taking Ubuntu in is all.
[18:21] <Daekdroom>  What about shipping in 2CDs?
[18:21] <Sil4nc4> for most new people that could be an iso
[18:21] <urlin2u> pangolin, every release fits on a cd though, it is not a perfect world where everybodies needs are served in the end
[18:21] <Sil4nc4> issue
[18:22] <Daekdroom> urlin2u, the ISO size limit was increased to 750MiB for the 12.04 final release. I don't get what you're saying.
[18:22] <Sil4nc4> once installed one can download the software using the USC
[18:23] <Daekdroom> Sil4nc4, nope. Some people don't have good enough internet connection.
[18:23] <Sil4nc4> point
[18:23] <Daekdroom> It's a issue as big as the CD thing.
[18:23] <Daekdroom> Which is why I don't mind the 750MiB ISO
[18:23] <urlin2u> Daekdroom, I didn't know that, I can't get it to run anyway every daily crashes, on my computer.
[18:24] <pangolin> try the alternate install
[18:24] <pangolin> desktop does that for me also
[18:25] <urlin2u> pangolin, gets to the desktop, but crashes there, I have gotten it installed 4-5 times, crashed after update upgrade, ran great when I updated to it right at the beginning though.
[18:27] <penguin42> urlin2u: Probably worth trying to get some logs to find out why
[18:29] <urlin2u> penguin42, nah I generally load the pre-releases, but just use them out of curiosity, no biggie.
[18:29] <penguin42> urlin2u: Thing is it might not get fixed for the release if you don't report it and give the info to help figure out why
[18:30] <penguin42> urlin2u: SInce it doesn't happen for everyone it might not be happening for the devs
[18:30] <urlin2u> penguin42, I have a pretty generic setup a acer d250 netbook no extra drivers needed I suspect it will be fixed.
[18:31] <penguin42> urlin2u: Well I hope all the acer d250 owners don't think the same way!
[18:34] <FernandoMiguel> hey
[18:44] <yofel> hm, did firefox suddenly switch to gtk3? It's not using my gtk2 theme anymore
[18:48] <Daekdroom> yofel, it depends on libgtk2.0-0 according to 'apt-cache showpkg firefox'
[18:48] <yofel> yeah, which is why I'm confused
[18:49] <yofel> or it's just ignoring my kde color scheme settings - while thunderbird works fine
[18:49] <yofel> seems to just be the color settings
[18:51] <Sil4nc4> precise not good for testing live cd function, since it succeeds in disabling my bluetooth keyboard @ a certain time in the boot process
[18:51] <penguin42> Sil4nc4: That's a perfect test! File it!
[18:52] <Sil4nc4> will do
[18:54] <penguin42> yofel: Still seems to have libgtk-x11-2.0 and stuff from gtk-2.0/ mapped in my instance here
[18:55] <yofel> yeah, looks like it does use oxygen-gtk2 here, just for some reason ignores the colorscheme setting
[18:55] <penguin42> yofel: oxygen-gtk freeks some stuff out
[18:56] <yofel> still, this worked when I last started firefox like 3 days ago
[18:58] <penguin42> yofel: Do you ever use gnucash ?
[18:58] <yofel> nope
[18:59] <penguin42> yofel: I get flickering of the menus under KDE, not figured out if it's oxygen-gtk yet
[19:02] <coz_> hey guys, any easy way to update from natty?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> coz_,  do you have a /home partition ?
[19:03] <coz_> BluesKaj,  well I generally just let ubuntu partition by defaults
[19:04] <coz_> BluesKaj,  how is kde on 12.04?
[19:04] <varikonniemi> easy?
[19:04] <varikonniemi> update manager should update to 11.10, no idea how to get to +1
[19:04] <coz_> I can probably just download the alternate and let it update yes?
[19:06] <varikonniemi> i installed the daily build in my virtualbox and it seems to be working fine.
[19:06] <varikonniemi> this is great news since 12.04 alpha was buggy beyond usable
[19:06] <coz_> varikonniemi,  cool, I will try alternate update see if that works
[19:06] <varikonniemi> ?
[19:06] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I am curious about  kde on 12.04 :)
[19:07] <varikonniemi> coz_, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:08] <coz_> varikonniemi,  I believe, if memory serves, the alternate cd  should allow an update from either synaptic or software center I beleive
[19:08] <varikonniemi> then update-manager -d
[19:08] <BluesKaj> coz_, , then there are 2 methods , sudo do-release-upgrade -d to 11.0 then again to 12.04 , or burn a daily 12.04 build to media and make 2 partitions , a / partiton beside a /home . The /home partition contains all you present data as long as you don't format it
[19:08] <coz_> BluesKaj,  ok understood,, I  may just go with the daily build clean install then
[19:08] <BluesKaj> oops drop the -d
[19:09] <BluesKaj> , use -d when you upgrade from 11,.10
[19:09] <coz_> BluesKaj,  how is KDE?
[19:09] <varikonniemi> is do-release-upgrade same as update-manager -d ?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> seems fine so far , just a few small prbs with permissions
[19:10] <coz_> BluesKaj,  ok cool, I may give that a try then
[19:10] <BluesKaj> varikonniemi,  it is but " -d " signifies upgrading to a development release like 12.04
[19:10] <varikonniemi> you are just asking for trouble if you install +1 on normal system
[19:11] <coz_> varikonniemi,  i dont mind the trouble
[19:11] <BluesKaj> coz_,  which method are you going to use ?
[19:11] <varikonniemi> BluesKaj, all the guides i see have -d
[19:11] <varikonniemi> and they are guides to go from 11.04 to 11.10
[19:11] <varikonniemi> not development?
[19:11] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I think i will just download the daily build and clean install
[19:12] <BluesKaj> that's for upgrading to an alpha or beta release , varikonniemi
[19:12] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I am interested in how KDE is going to be for 12.04,,
[19:12] <BluesKaj> coz_,  good choice
[19:13] <coz_> I have always directed people to clean install over upgrading anyway
[19:14] <BluesKaj> varikonniemi,  check the guides , they might be outdated , because if you're 11.04 and try do-release-upgrade -d , you'll find that you're upgrading 12.04 not 11.10 ,then you can expects alot of problems
[19:14] <BluesKaj> upgrading to 12.04
[19:14] <coz_> ^^^
[19:16] <BluesKaj> 11.04 to 11.10 the command is:  sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:16] <coz_> varikonniemi,  I have always suggested clean installs ,, even for daily builds, because ubuntu upgrades are consistently inconsistent
[19:16] <udog> hi all, trying to install precise on a netbook, it hangs and stops on copying files
[19:17] <udog> is there a way to fix that
[19:17] <udog> ?
[19:17] <coz_> udog,  not sure,, I am just now trying 12.04 install
[19:18] <coz_> udog,  I assume the drive is not full,,,yes?
[19:18] <udog> right
[19:18] <udog> i've installed oneiric instaed without any trouble
[19:18] <coz_> udog,  mm I dont have a netbood available here even to test this
[19:18] <BluesKaj> coz_,  I just installed the 12.04 daily build about an hour ago and all went well
[19:19] <coz_> udog,  unless there are some issues at this stage with installing to netbook
[19:19] <udog> seems like ubiquity crashes on copying files, after partitioning
[19:19] <coz_> BluesKaj,  excellent !
[19:19] <varikonniemi> i have always done a clean install when upgrading os's
[19:19] <varikonniemi> both under windows and under ubuntu
[19:19] <udog> 'cause the window freeze
[19:19] <coz_> udog,  that might possibly be a bug  at this stage,, but I am not sure
[19:19] <coz_> varikonniemi,  excellent thinking :)
[19:19] <varikonniemi> my parents computers though i have just done upgrade
[19:19] <varikonniemi> and they are working fine
[19:20] <BluesKaj> i ususally install the OS to / , and keep the data on the /home partition
[19:20] <varikonniemi> i have only / and swap on all my computers
[19:20] <coz_> varikonniemi,  that's good news,, but I simply dont trust upgrades,,, over the years  I have found , particularly ubuntu, upgrades are not consistent
[19:20] <varikonniemi> well i have only experience with 2 computers from 11.04 to 11.10
[19:21] <coz_> varikonniemi,  understood,,, I have been at this since ubuntu started ,,
[19:21] <varikonniemi> :)
[19:21] <coz_> varikonniemi,   before that BeOs and RedHat
[19:21] <udog> coz_, what if i try to upgrade from oneiric?
[19:21] <varikonniemi> redhat is no longer
[19:21] <coz_> udog,  that might work
[19:21] <udog> a big boom, maybe?
[19:21]  * BluesKaj has too much media to do clean installs ...I will be doing them shortly after I install an NAS box
[19:22] <coz_> udog,  :)  I dont think so
[19:22] <udog> coz_, thank you
[19:22] <varikonniemi> i did try every ubuntu from 8 forwards, and 11.04 was the one that sold linux to me
[19:22] <udog> i'll try that way
[19:22] <coz_> BluesKaj,  yeah that I understand,, but I have learned from past that backups are important for me because I can be a real "doof" at times :)
[19:22] <coz_> varikonniemi,  excellent :)
[19:23] <varikonniemi> i briefly used 10.10 but it just felt ancient
[19:23] <coz_> udog,  let us know how that goes,, i am certainly interested to know
[19:23] <coz_> varikonniemi,  i didnt not like 10.10 much ,, I think I went back to 10.04 at that point
[19:24] <udog> coz_, as soon i'll be back to tell
[19:24] <BluesKaj> coz i did a clean install to 11.10 totally , but backing 300G worth of media was a time consuming chore, since i had to do it between 2 other pcs
[19:24] <coz_> udog,  cool thanks
[19:24] <imnichol> Alright, I'm trying to report a bug, but launchpad keeps marking it as a duplicate of a private bug
[19:24] <varikonniemi> BluesKaj, don't you have OS disk separate?
[19:24] <imnichol> How the hell am I supposed to contribute if I can't even see the bug that I"m supposed to comment on?
[19:24] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I understand for sure.. I know guys like you with that much to back up is a PITA
[19:25] <varikonniemi> i have a 60G vertex3 as OS disk, and it is really easily backed up with dd to my 2T hdd
[19:25] <coz_> imnichol,  mmm.. maybe one of the ops can help with that one
[19:25] <BluesKaj> varikonniemi,  it's not a clean install if you leave your data on a /home partition
[19:25] <jbicha> imnichol: what's the bug number?
[19:25] <imnichol> coz_, who are they and how do I get in touch with them?
[19:26] <imnichol> 916880
[19:26] <imnichol> jbicha, that's my bug.
[19:26] <coz_> imnichol,  did they give a number for the "private" bug?
[19:27] <imnichol> coz_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/849037
[19:27] <BluesKaj> varikonniemi,  exactly , I'm buying a large HDD /NAS box soon which will be our networked backup
[19:27] <varikonniemi> BluesKaj, i don't have a /home aprtition, it is under /
[19:27] <jbicha> imnichol: bug 849037
[19:27] <BluesKaj> yes I know
[19:27] <BluesKaj> varikonniemi,
[19:27] <imnichol> jbicha, it's marked as private, so I can't see it
[19:28] <coz_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oneconf/+bug/849037
[19:28] <jbicha> I fixed it for you
[19:28] <imnichol> Oh man, it's not anymore
[19:28] <imnichol> jbicha, thank you
[19:28] <imnichol> coz_, thank you as well.
[19:28] <imnichol> jbicha, It's marked as expired, should I mark it as something else?
[19:29] <coz_> imnichol,  I do see that bug as being markes from private to public
[19:29] <coz_> marked
[19:30] <imnichol> coz_, That just happened a few seconds ago.
[19:30] <coz_> ah ok
[19:30] <imnichol> But it's assigned to no one and is marked as expired, which is obviously not good
[19:30] <jbicha> imnichol: it's expired because there wasn't enough information to do anything with the bug, if you can add more info, you're welcome to reopen it
[19:31] <imnichol> jbicha, what should I reopen it as?
[19:31] <jbicha> just change the status back to new or confirmed
[19:31] <imnichol> Ok.
[19:31] <imnichol> Thank you both, jbicha, coz_
[19:32] <coz_> imnichol,  no problem  although jbicha  was far more helpful :)
[19:33] <imnichol> So now what do I do in order to get it noticed by someone since it's currently unassigned?
[19:34] <penguin42> imnichol: didrocks asked for a file - but you didn't supply it
[19:59] <FernandoMiguel> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/
[20:00] <FernandoMiguel> LOL
[20:06] <varikonniemi> japan is awesum
[20:07] <BluesKaj> I was hoping to find a differnt source for libdvdcss2 other than the restricted-extras/formats , any ideas ?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> restricted draws down too much unecessary junk
[20:09] <BluesKaj> unecessary=outdated
[20:14] <trism> BluesKaj: just install libdvdread4?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> trism,  libdvdcss2 isn't included in libdvdread 4 according to the description in synaptic
[20:28] <BluesKaj> trism, i followed the commands here and it worked , guess it's a backdoor to medibuntu.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[20:41] <trism> BluesKaj: that package has the install-css.sh script
[20:42] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:42] <BluesKaj> should work tho
[20:42] <BluesKaj> brb
[21:38] <Daekdroom> Do unity and multitouch still not get along with each other?
[21:39] <Daekdroom> Gah. I got things really mixed up there.
[21:40] <Daekdroom> Meant to ask whether Unity still refused to start in a system without utouch support
[21:55] <aguitel> i am in xubuntu 12.04 ,glxgears are 300 frames in 5 sec but in ubuntu 10.04 are 2300 frames in 5 sec,why ?
[21:55] <Daekdroom> aguitel, glxgears is not a benchmark
[21:56] <aguitel> Daekdroom, and what is ?
[21:56] <FernandoMiguel> nothing really
[21:56] <FernandoMiguel> is anything slower to you ?
[21:57] <aguitel> FernandoMiguel, not now
[21:59] <aguitel> this is my graphic:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[22:01] <FernandoMiguel> wow that's old
[22:02] <aguitel> FernandoMiguel, i am poor man
[22:04] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[23:52] <FernandoMiguel> nite