[00:00] trinitas: Nobody ever said that you would be unbanned automatically after a day. What LjL stated was "i don't feel comfortable enough removing the ban at this time, so i suggest we both take at least a day or so to think about it." [00:01] exactly [00:01] trinitas: In other words, come back in a day and we can begin discussing things again. [00:02] Jordan_U: i'll wait till LjL is around. [00:03] trinitas: OK. [07:51] pangolin: I hope you don't mind me doing that. [07:51] not at all [10:44] trinitas: are you going to both respect the guidelines (everything in !etiquette more accurately) and avoid making snarky remarks about bans? in general, the idea is you remember #ubuntu-offtopic is a channel to chill in, and not a platform for complaint about your IRC situation. also if it turns out there has to be another ban, that ban will be much longer. [12:00] ah wait, is mazda01 [12:00] the FBI guy? [12:01] that one [12:01] That's the one I think [12:02] yup, BT says it is so [15:29] oCean: how is pw cracking illegal activity? i'm pretty sure the most common use of zip crackers is to crack passwords people have forgotten. [15:30] really? I never forget my pw's [15:30] good for you [15:30] I WRITE THEM ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND STICK THE NOTE UNDER MY LAPTOP [15:30] works EVERY time. [15:32] Myrtti: i know, it's a very helpful habit [15:44] trinitas: are you there? [17:28] LjL: Actually I use KeePassX to not to lose valueable passwords. truth is, I was busy with other things, missed the context and probably should not have responded at that discussion at all [17:29] but i still wonder, when _should_ we break off such a discussion. IMO posting lines like "I used to crack rars too" don't give much confidence on how the discussion will develop. It's like the discussion on aircrack-ng I think [17:29] oCean: ok. my stance anyway is, unless it's clear the user is doing X for illegal purposes (because he somehow makes it clear), then i assume good faith. [17:30] oCean, the guy was looking for packages, seems appropriate for #ubuntu. if he had started getting into the specifics of how ZIP passwords work or the like, maybe he should have been redirected. [17:31] Ok, that seems a better approach anyway [17:32] oCean: and don't think people are smart enough to avoid mentioning their illegal intentions... more often than not, people *will* candidly say they're trying to pirate something / "crack into the neighbor's wifi" / etc. so if they don't, there's a fair chance they're trying to do something legitimate. [17:34] hehe, yeah, I've seen that happen. [17:36] So, it's a good approach also because otherwise they will turn the discussion into one on the channel rules/guidelines. Something that is less likely to happen when someone is so candid about their illegal intention [18:38] trinitas: are you around?