[00:00] <Jordan_U> trinitas: Nobody ever said that you would be unbanned automatically after a day. What LjL stated was "i don't feel comfortable enough removing the ban at this time, so i suggest we both take at least a day or so to think about it."
[00:01] <trinitas> exactly
[00:01] <Jordan_U> trinitas: In other words, come back in a day and we can begin discussing things again.
[00:02] <trinitas> Jordan_U: i'll wait till LjL is around.
[00:03] <Jordan_U> trinitas: OK.
[07:51] <Jordan_U> pangolin: I hope you don't mind me doing that.
[07:51] <pangolin> not at all
[10:44] <LjL> trinitas: are you going to both respect the guidelines (everything in !etiquette more accurately) and avoid making snarky remarks about bans? in general, the idea is you remember #ubuntu-offtopic is a channel to chill in, and not a platform for complaint about your IRC situation. also if it turns out there has to be another ban, that ban will be much longer.
[12:00] <oCean> ah wait, <ubuntuaddicted1> is mazda01
[12:00] <bazhang> the FBI guy?
[12:01] <oCean> that one
[12:01] <oCean> That's the one I think
[12:02] <oCean> yup, BT says it is so
[15:29] <LjL> oCean: how is pw cracking illegal activity? i'm pretty sure the most common use of zip crackers is to crack passwords people have forgotten.
[15:30] <oCean> really? I never forget my pw's
[15:30] <LjL> good for you
[15:30] <Myrtti> I WRITE THEM ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND STICK THE NOTE UNDER MY LAPTOP
[15:30] <Myrtti> works EVERY time.
[15:32] <topyli> Myrtti: i know, it's a very helpful habit
[15:44] <Tm_T> trinitas: are you there?
[17:28] <oCean> LjL: Actually I use KeePassX to not to lose valueable passwords. truth is, I was busy with other things, missed the context and probably should not have responded at that discussion at all
[17:29] <oCean> but i still wonder, when _should_ we break off such a discussion. IMO posting lines like "I used to crack rars too" don't give much confidence on how the discussion will develop. It's like the discussion on aircrack-ng I think
[17:29] <LjL> oCean: ok. my stance anyway is, unless it's clear the user is doing X for illegal purposes (because he somehow makes it clear), then i assume good faith.
[17:30] <LjL> oCean, the guy was looking for packages, seems appropriate for #ubuntu. if he had started getting into the specifics of how ZIP passwords work or the like, maybe he should have been redirected.
[17:31] <oCean> Ok, that seems a better approach anyway
[17:32] <LjL> oCean: and don't think people are smart enough to avoid mentioning their illegal intentions... more often than not, people *will* candidly say they're trying to pirate something / "crack into the neighbor's wifi" / etc. so if they don't, there's a fair chance they're trying to do something legitimate.
[17:34] <oCean> hehe, yeah, I've seen that happen.
[17:36] <oCean> So, it's a good approach also because otherwise they will turn the discussion into one on the channel rules/guidelines. Something that is less likely to happen when someone is so candid about their illegal intention
[18:38] <pangolin> trinitas: are you around?