[00:04] <mgdm> is Oneiric any good on netbooks?
[00:05] <mgdm> Fedora is driving me insane by being broken in weird ways (like half of network manager segfaulting when attempting to usse it, because of missing icons)
[00:05] <penguin42> Oneiric should work ok on a netbook
[00:06] <mgdm> Wonder what desktop environment to use
[00:06] <penguin42> mgdm: Unity works OK for a netbook
[00:07] <mgdm> Hmmm
[00:07] <mgdm> I'm sceptical, but I may try tomorrow
[00:07] <penguin42> mgdm: Although if you're going to drive a projector with it give it a go before you end up trying to give your presentation :-)
[00:07] <mgdm> That would be a major issue
[00:08] <mgdm> I'm well-versed in xrandr on the CLI, as I've never ever had the Display applet do anything except lock X up
[00:08] <mgdm> I might go and see if that bug got updated, actually
[00:08] <penguin42> oh the display applet generally plays ball with me; it's just I did have a bit of a fight when I was using it with a LibreOffice presentation a few weeks back on my netbook
[00:09] <mgdm> I suppose if I don't get on with it I'll just use LXDE like I do on Fedora
[00:09] <mgdm> gnome-shell munched the machine to the point it was too slow to be usable
[00:32] <jutnux> Internet is so fast at this time of night <3
[09:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:44] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[10:47] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[11:55] <dwatkins> hiya
[12:04] <mattt> morning
[12:04] <brobostigon> afternoonings mattt and dwatkins
[12:06] <mattt> derp, it's no longer morning is it :)
[12:06] <mattt> hey brobostigon
[12:06]  * MartijnVdS plays with the Selphy a bit more
[12:08] <dwatkins> it is in the Bristol timezone... ;) (I'm in Edinburgh, but I gather Bristol used to be 15 minutes behind London)
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "Netherlands Railway time was based on GMT until 1909 when the country adopted 'Amsterdam time' as the standard time for the country, which was 19 minutes ahead of GMT. This persisted until 1940, when the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands required a shift to German time, which has continued to be the standard."
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> So we're in the wrong time zone because of Ze Germans
[12:10] <dwatkins> You would have changed it eventually, being on the same piece of land as the rest of "continental Europe", I imagine, MartijnVdS ;) just look at Samoa...
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Bristol was behind 14 minutes, according to the same Wikipedia page, btw :)
[12:11] <mattt> 19 minutes of GMT?
[12:11] <dwatkins> thanks MartijnVdS :)
[12:11]  * mattt needs a coffee
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> mattt: This was between 1909 and 1940
[12:11]  * dwatkins makes a note
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_time
[12:12] <mattt> heh, i clearly don't know my history ... that's a pretty interesting link :)
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> mattt: time is an illusion ;)
[12:14] <dwatkins> ...lunchtime doubly so.
[12:14] <brobostigon> hhgttg :)
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> Speaking of lunchtime
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> ...
[12:15] <brobostigon> ford prefect*
[12:19] <RaycisCharles> I'm not sure if I want to move to CET or not.
[12:19] <RaycisCharles> On the one hand, it gives those of us in England a lot more daylight in the evenings whilst preserving light mornings.
[12:20] <RaycisCharles> On the other hand, it means Scotland will still be dark around 9am.
[12:20] <RaycisCharles> I can't see any negatives tbh.
[12:21] <dwatkins> It's pretty dark here a lot of the time anyway, RaycisCharles.
[12:22] <RaycisCharles> Exactly.
[12:23] <RaycisCharles> Plus most of you don't work anyway, so dark morning commutes aren't an issue.
[12:23] <dwatkins> How come there's so much traffic at 8am, then? ;)
[12:24] <RaycisCharles> I'd guess because pubs open at 8am.
[12:24] <dwatkins> :-p
[12:25] <RaycisCharles> It'll be interesting to see if Scotland goes indie.
[12:26] <dwatkins> There's no logical reason for it to do so that I can see.
[12:26] <RaycisCharles> Well, it's a sovereignty / pride issue
[12:26] <RaycisCharles> Same reason why Cornwall wants independence.
[12:27] <RaycisCharles> I kinda want to see it happen, just for the entertainment value of seeing Salmond's government fail spectacularly.
[12:30] <moreati> RaycisCharles: what would be the primary reason(s) their downfall?
[12:32] <RaycisCharles> Alex Salmond would eat all the food in Scotland.
[12:33] <RaycisCharles> Also, they say they'd want to continue to use the pound...which would be managed by the Bank of England, so you'd have a mini-Poundzone where London sets interest rates which affect Scotland.
[12:33] <mattt> RaycisCharles: lol
[12:33] <mattt> RaycisCharles: reading up at what you said
[12:34] <RaycisCharles> ...which would be somewhat problematic if Scotland needs to devalue, since they can't if they keep the pound.
[12:34] <RaycisCharles> Also, they wouldn't be members of the EU anymore. The London government would veto their membership lol. They'd have to reapply and commit to joining the Euro.
[12:34] <dwatkins> Do you live in Sealand, RaycisCharles?
[12:35] <mattt> RaycisCharles: i know little about politics, but now seems like the worst time in history to be having independence discussions
[12:35] <RaycisCharles> No, the green part of England just north of London. Couldn't you tell?
[12:35] <RaycisCharles> mattt, it certainly is, for Scotland at least.
[12:35] <RaycisCharles> The problem is that nobody's really thought it through.
[12:36] <dwatkins> indeed
[12:36] <RaycisCharles> Take the NHS for example. It's already devolved, but the Scottish NHS benefits from economies of scale thanks to the English NHS.
[12:36] <dwatkins> perhaps the people propoising it profit from it
[12:36] <RaycisCharles> If Scotland was independent, Scottish drugs would like double in price or something.
[12:36] <RaycisCharles> Since there'd be no collective NHS barter - only England, Wales and NI would get cheap drugs.
[12:36] <mattt> RaycisCharles: aren't they already in a better position than those in england when it comes to prescriptions, etc.?
[12:37] <RaycisCharles> Yes, but that's because they get a generous block grant from London which is more than their tax/economic contribution.
[12:37] <RaycisCharles> If they actually had to pay for defence, foreign policy etc. they wouldn't be able to afford free prescriptions.
[12:38] <RaycisCharles> Poor parts of the country are net receivers, and richer are net contributers - that's normal in any country. Eg. Liverpool gets a lot more money than it generates.
[12:38] <RaycisCharles> But you can't take the money and then bitch about the people giving you the money, which is what the SNP do all the time.
[12:38] <dwatkins> even taking tourism into account?
[12:39] <RaycisCharles> Who goes to Liverpool for a holiday? :S
[12:39] <mattt> :)
[12:39] <dwatkins> the scottish? ;)
[12:39] <RaycisCharles> Obviously London generates most tourism money.
[12:40] <RaycisCharles> I'd prefer the Union stays but it'd have to be in its current form.
[12:40] <mattt> speaking of tourism, i'm off to london to eat me some dim sum
[12:41] <RaycisCharles> If a majority in Scotland want "devo max" i.e. control of tax and spend, that'd have to be put to a referendum in the rest of the UK.
[12:41] <mattt> again, i don't know much about what goes on out there, but i can't see in a million years scotland actually going through with this
[12:41] <RaycisCharles> No, it's entirely possible.
[12:41] <RaycisCharles> It's a referendum; all that matters is how you word the question, when you hold it, who you let vote.
[12:42] <mattt> so they continue using the pound, at which point they may as well be part of the union, they go to the euro, and like ... that in itself seems odd, or they get their own currency
[12:42] <RaycisCharles> And what you tell the voters. Do you think the SNP is going to be honest and say Scotland would have to join the Euro, pay more for drugs, lose the BBC etc.?
[12:42] <mattt> i read something that if they had their own currency, no one would have a clue what it'd be valued when it went 'live'
[12:42] <RaycisCharles> Yup.
[12:43] <Neoti> hi All...
[12:43]  * mattt is afk
[12:44] <RaycisCharles> I just want to see the back of that smarmy fat cunt Salmond.
[12:46] <moreati> RaycisCharles: thank you for an in depth rant^W answer :)
[13:16] <itscrapsofar> just installed 11.10 as a first time UBUNTU install, screen defaults to 640x480, cant see options, cant change resolution, nvidia config fails to save settings, google chrome fails to load - multiple problems..... help
[13:21] <itscrapsofar> anyone alive to help? or am I just banging my head on a wall
[13:22] <AlanBell> itscrapsofar: hello
[13:22] <itscrapsofar> hello
[13:22] <itscrapsofar> I'm not having a great time of a 1st time install
[13:23] <AlanBell> what are you installing it on?
[13:23] <itscrapsofar> x86 Acer box
[13:23] <AlanBell> with an nvidia card presumably
[13:23] <itscrapsofar> yup
[13:24] <AlanBell> and a monitor that reports it's resolutions correctly
[13:24] <itscrapsofar> yes, 2x eizo 21"'s
[13:25] <AlanBell> what is the output of lspci |grep VGA
[13:26]  * AlanBell wonders off to make lunch, back later
[13:26] <itscrapsofar> I managed once to get both screens up,  rebboted twice and was fine... next time, box with multiple entries saying it cant select mode.... now its stuck in 640 x 480 and cant select anything.... basically the install seems buggered
[13:29]  * itscrapsofar wanders off to re-format the drive..... I was warned Ubuntu was tetchy.... thanks for the support
[13:39] <AlanBell> well that was positive wasn't it
[13:41] <Neoti> AlanBell: i only just got back to computer and read the above .... would have helped.... lol
[13:41] <penguin42> AlanBell: I get you can't blame if it didn't work that bad
[13:41] <Neoti> needed more info
[13:41] <penguin42> 1st impressions influence people a lot
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: that sentence doesn't parse
[13:41] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Sorry, it's a bit early, it's not even 2pm
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> 14:41 < penguin42> MartijnVdS: Sorry, it's a bit early, it's not even 2pm
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> Is too!
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> (two?)
[13:42] <penguin42> (01:41:48 PM) MartijnVdS: Is too!
[13:42] <penguin42> Is not!
[13:43] <czajkowski> calls for a ubuntu/opensource talk at crawley on ubuntu UK mailing list
[13:43] <czajkowski> anyone going to volunteer
[13:44] <AlanBell> yeah, will get back to him on that
[13:44] <czajkowski> cool
[13:44] <czajkowski> I'm close just not sure I'm the right person
[13:44] <czajkowski> but could do it if someone gave me a hand on slides/presentation
[13:45] <penguin42> what sort of hand?
[13:45] <czajkowski> ideas on content on slides and topics to cover
[13:46] <penguin42> do you know the LUG and how technical they are?
[13:46] <czajkowski> am only about 30 mins away from there
[13:46] <czajkowski> penguin42: read the mail on the ml it doesnt go into too much detail
[13:46] <penguin42> hmm, not on that list
[13:47] <czajkowski> ubuntu uk mailing list
[13:48] <penguin42> ah right, see it
[13:48] <penguin42> czajkowski: LUGs seem to vary a lot in technical knowledge so it can be difficult to judge
[13:49] <AlanBell> it isn't a lug
[13:50] <AlanBell> it is the IET http://www.theiet.org/
[13:50] <penguin42> oh, it's an IET thing - hmm those are even more random....
[13:50] <AlanBell> I replied to him off list
[13:52] <penguin42> something on how packages get from original authors of the code into debian and then into ubuntu and how bugs work might be an interesting one for a talk
[13:52] <penguin42> it might work for people who aren't particularly Ubuntu/Linux people but who may know a bit and are general softies
[14:00] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I pinged Matt Barker with it too
[14:00] <czajkowski>  q qoki dokie
[15:47] <tsurc> hi :) anyone had any problems with 12.04 and Ipv6? Im not seeing any router advertisements from my router, yet both my galaxy nexus and this very laptop running centos see them fine.
[15:49] <swat_> anyone run an SSD on ubuntu?
[15:51] <hamitron> tsurc, maybe worth asking in #ubuntu+1
[15:51] <tsurc> cheers hamitron ;) tried #ubuntu but didnt get very far at all :(
[15:52] <DJones> swat_: I think there's quite a few here that do, although its a bit quiet here at the minute, if you wait around for a while, hopefully somebody will be able to help
[15:52] <hamitron> DJones, you can type faster than me :)
[15:52] <DJones> :)
[15:53] <swat_> DJones: am a bit of a lurker anyway
[15:53] <hamitron> !ssd
[15:53] <hamitron> worth a try :D
[15:53]  * penguin42 really should buy himself an ssd
[15:54] <DJones> swat_: What was your query about SSD's anyway
[15:54] <hamitron> hdd seem to be always the thing I skimp back on
[15:54] <DJones> swat_: This may answer a question anyway http://askubuntu.com/questions/52258/is-ssd-really-supported-by-ubuntu
[15:57] <swat_> DJones: it was more, if anyone had used it and noticed a significant performance difference
[15:57] <jacobw> \o/
[15:57] <jacobw> new series of hustle
[15:58] <swat_> jacobw: :) it's good
[15:59] <jacobw> yeah, i've been a fan for some time
[16:00] <jacobw> i'd started to think it was over
[16:06] <OmNomDePlume> jacobw: does it still have that hot chick who was in Dexter?
[16:09] <jacobw> no
[16:09] <DJones> jacobw: New last ever series though ):
[16:15] <jacobw> :(
[16:15] <jacobw> it is about time though
[16:24] <AlanBell> ooh this looks good http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00n2bld
[16:25] <penguin42> bah, and I thought the swimming pool thing across the last series boundary was supposed to be that equivalent
[16:25] <penguin42> (although calling 3 episodes a series is stretching it)
[16:27] <Azelphur> Just to confirm I'm doing this right, if my provider charges me 6p/kwh, and I'm using 1.8kw, I do (1.8*0.06)*730 to get the monthly cost, excluding VAT?
[16:27] <Azelphur> 730 being the amount of numbers in a month
[16:27] <Azelphur> amount of hours* derp
[16:27] <penguin42> sounds about right
[16:27] <Azelphur> fun
[16:27] <OmNomDePlume> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TheLees-double-breasted-turtle-padding/dp/B005ZO7DI8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ap_3 lol this is a mens jacket?
[16:28] <Azelphur> OmNomDePlume: it is if you want to look like a douche :D
[16:29] <moreati> oh, I was just thinking it looked alright
[16:30] <AlanBell> if you are a criminal genius perhaps Dr moreati
[16:30] <AlanBell> professor, sorry
[16:31] <penguin42> I thnik you mean moriarty
[16:31] <penguin42> AlanBell: moreati is his evil GL uncle
[16:31] <Azelphur> wtf, the form on http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy/our-tariffs.html overrides my keyboard layout
[16:31]  * Azelphur stabs british gas
[16:32] <penguin42> overrides keyboard layout?
[16:32] <Azelphur> yea
[16:32] <Azelphur> I use a colemak keyboard, but if I type in that postcode box my keyboard acts as if it was qwerty
[16:33]  * penguin42 doubts that's BG fault - I don't think you can flip something like that from js ?
[16:34] <Azelphur> *shrug* never seen anything like that happen on any other website ever
[16:34] <penguin42> would say browser bug, but it would be interesting to know how
[16:35] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:36] <OmNomDePlume> moreati, I think it looks fabulous, and gay.
[16:36] <OmNomDePlume> I fear I would made fun of if I wore that in red.
[16:36] <OmNomDePlume> That colour is really a girls' colour for jackets.
[16:37] <moreati> OmNomDePlume: I just looked at the unzipped picture, and I'm much less keen on it
[16:37] <jacobw> http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200506/06/images/0605_B10.jpg
[16:37] <jacobw> orly?
[16:38] <moreati> yeah but everything goes well with bearskin, cause who's gonna tak the mick of somewhere that can skin a bear
[16:38] <moreati> *someone
[16:47] <Azelphur> OmNomDePlume: my next jacket is undoubtably gonna be one of these http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/07/500x_scottevestcoat.jpg
[16:48] <Azelphur> or a similar scottevest anyway
[16:49] <Azelphur> they arn't kidding about how much stuff you can hide in there too, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH8uTdBXVmY
[16:50] <penguin42> That's nuts!
[16:50] <Azelphur> Indeed :D
[16:58] <penguin42> now, add a pair of good cargos to that....
[17:00] <jutnux> I don't think I've ever eaten so much food in my entire life.
[17:01] <jutnux> And evening all, how are you? :-)
[17:02]  * penguin42 has a cold :-(
[17:02] <penguin42> jutnux: Now, what food are we talking about here?
[17:03] <jutnux> penguin42: 20 chicken nuggets, 2 big tasties, 2 coffees (food?) and a large milkshake.
[17:03] <jutnux> I literally feel like I'm going to explode.
[17:03] <penguin42>  'tasties' ?
[17:04] <OmNomDePlume> Is that it?!?
[17:04] <OmNomDePlume> 20 chicken nuggets is a snack.
[17:04] <jutnux> penguin42: Massive burgers in McDonalds.
[17:05] <jutnux> OmNomDePlume: Not for me.
[17:05] <OmNomDePlume> You have a tiny hamster stomach.
[17:06] <jutnux> Perhaps ;-)
[17:06] <jacobw> crazy
[17:08] <jutnux> It was tasty though
[18:00] <jutnux> Sherlock on at 9, hell yeah.
[18:00] <moreati> jutnux: what did you think of last week's episode?
[18:01]  * popey wibbles
[18:01] <jutnux> moreati: Nice nick. It was amazing.
[18:01] <jutnux> popey: Any idea when trublr is going to be released? :-)
[18:01] <moreati> jutnux: thank you
[18:01] <popey> not yet
[18:02] <popey> been a bit busy
[18:02] <jutnux> I've got a feeling it's going to be extremely useful for the support channels.
[18:03] <popey> yeah, maybe
[18:03] <jutnux> How was the Opera yesterday?
[18:03] <popey> i liked the music ☺
[18:05] <jutnux> Where was it again? Austria? :P
[18:05] <popey> vienna
[18:05]  * popey heads to the bar
[18:05] <popey> ttfn
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:06] <jutnux> Adios.
[18:47] <zleap> hi is this a bug,   using 11.04 i have xchat open fully,  if i then open nautilus  it opens fine, but thenif I move the mouse up to focus on the xchat window I don't have a close button for xchat,  this comes back if I close the nauilus window
[18:48] <zleap> i can click on the xchat window to get the close button back, but why do the menus change but I have to click to get the close button back
[18:48] <gord> zleap, you mean the xchat window is maximised and the nautilus window isn't? not a bug, by design
[18:48] <zleap> ok
[18:48] <zleap> i guess i am using click to focus
[18:49] <zleap> but I would expect when i move over the xchat window which is behind the opened nautilus window I would get the whole menu bar bit back
[18:50] <ali1234> it's pretty bad design
[18:50] <ali1234> but there's nothing anyone can do about it
[18:50] <ali1234> actually there is one thing you can do. stop using ubuntu...
[18:50] <gord> zleap, happens to be an area of the design that is in flux when we do user testing, so maybe it'll change in the future :)
[18:50] <jutnux> I thought you used Ubuntu ali
[18:50] <zleap> pok
[18:50] <zleap> ok
[19:01] <zleap> well the issue is not a problem i was simply asking if it was a bug or not,
[19:17] <daubers> Evening
[19:26]  * jutnux pokes daubers 
[19:26] <jutnux> hi
[19:37] <daubers> quiet this evening isn't it
[19:40] <Lorra> Hey everyone, I was looking for someone who could help me with this problem: every time I use the command info I get this error message info: Cannot find node `Top'. What can I do with that?
[19:40] <brobostigon> is the program top installed?
[19:41] <Lorra> yes, I have the program "top"
[19:41] <brobostigon> so if you run top in terminal, you get top?
[19:42] <Lorra> yeah I get it, why?
[19:42] <brobostigon> just checking.
[19:43] <Lorra> brobostigon: so would you know anything more?
[19:43] <brobostigon> Lorra: not of the top of my head. sorry/
[19:43] <Lorra> oh, OK, thanks anyway
[19:44] <ali1234> info is a hypertext documentation system used by the gnu project
[19:44] <ali1234> it was supposed to replace man, but nobody can understand how it works or how to use it
[19:47] <Lorra> ali1234: I think using it is pretty simple: you type info <nameOfCommand> and you get an help page
[19:47] <ali1234> yeah man works the same way
[19:47] <Lorra> and on that help page you may have hyperlinks to other help pages
[19:47] <ali1234> but is a lot easier to use
[19:47] <Lorra> man doesn't have hyperlinks
[19:47] <ali1234> and it doesn't spit out cryptic error messages
[19:47] <ali1234> on man everything is on one page. press / to search
[19:47] <Lorra> 'cause info is evil
[19:47] <ali1234> you don't need to know anything else
[19:58] <Lorra> found a solution, I had someone else to give his/her /usr/share/info/dir to me and I used it, now it works again ( :
[20:47] <gord> bah, 3.2 kernel doesn't have the awesome power saving stuff
[20:47] <gord> back to 3.0 so i get 8 hours
[20:47] <zleap> hmm,  why is that then
[20:55] <SuperEngineer> Sherlock -5 ...and counting  ;)
[20:55] <gordonjcp> is there a way to force Unity to show a separate icon in the Mac bar thing for several instances of the same program?
[20:56] <gordonjcp> ie. if I have four terminal windows open, have separate icons for each
[20:57] <jacobw> i don't think so
[20:57] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: nope, what I would like it to do is show all the window titles in the quicklist when you right click it
[20:58] <AlanBell> gord: would that be possible/easy to do?
[20:58] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: see, that is the biggest thing that slows me down with Unity
[20:58] <gord> nope, not really
[20:59] <AlanBell> yeah, click it and 20 tiny windows shoot off into the distance
[20:59] <AlanBell> on the plus side, if you have compiz enhanced zoom on you can zoom into them
[21:00] <AlanBell> so I click the icon, then super+mousewheel to zoom in and pan around to find the one I want
[21:00] <gordonjcp> I haven't got compiz
[21:00]  * AlanBell hugs compiz
[21:00] <gordonjcp> I haven't got 3d, because I use intel
[21:00] <gordonjcp> I barely even have graphics
[21:01]  * AlanBell hugs intel
[21:01] <jacobw> eyes → sherlock
[21:01] <AlanBell> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[21:01] <AlanBell> driving the laptop display plus an external 2048x1152 monitor
[21:01]  * AlanBell goes to watch sherlock
[21:05] <jutnux> Crap
[21:05] <jutnux> Woops
[21:05] <jutnux> forgot to turn it on
[21:05] <gord> gordonjcp, out of interest, what graphics chip do you have?
[21:06] <gord> unity 3d runs pretty low down the intel graphics stack
[21:06] <gordonjcp> 82945G
[21:06] <gordonjcp> if I enable unity I just get stripy garbage on the screen
[21:06] <gordonjcp> I *still* get stripy garbage without unity, just not as badly
[21:06] <gordonjcp> but, it's an Intel chipset, so it's pretty fundamentally not suitable for Linux
[21:06] <gord> ah okay, so its the driver that makes sense
[21:07] <gordonjcp> gord: the main problem is trying to get any of the xorg devs to believe that the problem exists...
[21:07] <gord> sandybridge driver does the same thing if you enable some power saving optimisations, happens in 3d and 2d applications. i just don't enable them
[21:08] <gord> i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 is the kernel parameter you enable to get the stripy corruption on the sandybridge chipset anyway
[21:08] <gordonjcp> interesting
[21:09] <gordonjcp> can you force it to be disabled?
[21:09] <gordonjcp> it's a P4 so it's not like it's particularly good on power *anyway*
[21:09] <gord> maybe =0 ? ;) i'd look up the kernel parameters for your chip set and see what makes sense
[21:11] <gordonjcp> it's particularly brutal in 12.04 on this machine since I only have 2G of RAM
[21:11] <gordonjcp> it *does* seem to be related to the memory getting full
[21:12] <gord> yeah i experienced a similar behaviour, friends with the same machine but 4/8gb of ram wouldn't get it, whereas I with 2GB would get it often
[21:12] <gord> that reminds me, should get more ram
[21:12] <jutnux> Moriati, what a genius.
[21:18] <gordonjcp> gord: I don't think this will even take 4G
[21:56] <gord> if you mouse over the "search all messages" box in thunderbird, the tooltip shows "search the web" ¬_¬
[22:29] <Laney> :O!
[22:29] <jutnux> WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
[22:30] <jacobw> :)
[22:30] <jutnux> Good ole Molly.
[22:37]  * gord looks at 11:29 in his battery indicator
[22:37] <gord> i love precice -_-
[22:50] <mattt> 11:29!?
[22:59] <gord> yup
[22:59] <gord> it confused me, i thought it was 11:29 at night
[23:02] <AlanBell> so it is good with batteries then?
[23:02]  * AlanBell ponders a precise upgrade
[23:02] <AlanBell> or a dual boot
[23:06] <gord> its good with my hardware, that's all i can really say ;) if you have a sandybridge device i'd say you should have better battery life
[23:06] <gord> but not with the latest kernel, seems that lost the benefits, the 3.0 kernel is great, 3.2 not so much
[23:07] <AlanBell> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU
[23:07] <gord> i3 may or may not be sandybridge ;)
[23:08] <AlanBell> helpful
[23:08] <mattt> gord: what sort of laptop?
[23:09] <gord> x220
[23:09] <gord> thinkpad
[23:09] <mattt> ah, those are sweet
[23:09] <gord> they really are, lots of canonicalites with them too which helps. got mine, showed it off, suddenly everyone else got theirs ;)
[23:10] <AlanBell> heh, yeah, that helps. I have seen what happens to bugs reported on hardware silbs uses ;)
[23:11] <mattt> ha
[23:12] <gord> i *may* have waited for an X guy to get one before i did ;)
[23:13] <matti> ;]
[23:17] <mattt> i'd love to move away from my apple laptop, but every non-apple laptop just feels clunky and cumbersome to use :(
[23:18] <matti> Apple?
[23:18] <matti> :<
[23:18] <matti> #kittenjustdied
[23:18] <matti> mattt: ThinkPad W520 ;]
[23:18] <Azelphur> mattt: just do what I do with hardware "I don't care how big it is, I want a third hard drive."
[23:19] <AlanBell> I have grown to like my Samsung R530, I got it a couple of years ago and now the last bug (VGA port timing issue) has been fixed and I filled it up with 8GB ram
[23:19] <mattt> Azelphur: oh, i do care how big it is tho :)
[23:19] <Azelphur> mattt: I roll with a dell M1730, it's pretty much one of the largest in existence haha
[23:20] <mattt> Azelphur: if you need a laptop bag on wheels, you need to re-evaluate things :)
[23:20] <AlanBell> the screen resolution is lower than I had before, I had 1600x1200 then 1920x1080 then this one is just 1366x768
[23:20] <Azelphur> mattt: I use a backpack, works ok :D
[23:20] <mattt> AlanBell: what are you running?  not precise ?
[23:20] <AlanBell> but with a big external monitor I am actually fine with the fairly low laptop screen size
[23:20] <AlanBell> mattt: oneiric on this one, precise on a little atom powered desktop I have
[23:21] <mattt> i went to install precise on my msi wind uwhatever the other week, thing no longer boots
[23:21] <mattt> think the memory's faulty :/
[23:22] <directhex> oof.
[23:22] <mattt> which is great, since i've used it a whopping 6 times ... if that :)
[23:22] <directhex> pulled everything off the AV unit, and started attaching speakers to the wall. tired out.
[23:24] <mattt> on a sunday evening?  ambitious :)