[02:43] sup peeps [02:43] hi ssweeny [03:38] hi ChinnoDog [03:39] Hi ChinnoDog [03:41] First is was invisible chars, then they both went red. InHisName only sees black ones. [03:42] ChinnoDog: know much about fixing installers ? See pastebin above. [03:48] After 13.5 hours of classroom lectures, are you all too tired to type ? [04:07] HowdyDoody: what is wrong with your file system? Either your apt cache is corrupted (just delete it) or you are out of space or some other resource. [04:15] Just delete it ? what path to ref for delete ? [04:16] uh [04:16] I think you can wipe out /var/cache/apt [04:18] How is it reconstructed ? with simple commands like sudo apt-get -f install ? [04:19] I think apt automatically rebuilds it when it downloads stuff [04:19] If you aren't sure then just rename it or move it [04:19] ok [04:19] It will definitely redownload packages the next time you try to install something and hopefully fix your corrupted package error [04:30] update software: --->The package system is broken Check if you are using third party repositories. If so disable them, since they are a common source of problems. Furthermore run the following command in a Terminal: apt-get install -f [04:31] I'm not sure how much of that directory you can empty. Try creating the directory but leave it empty [04:31] details: The following packages have unmet dependencies: thunderbird-globalmenu: Depends: thunderbird (= 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.10.1) but 7.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 is installed thunderbird-gnome-support: Depends: thunderbird (= 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.10.1) but 7.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 is installed update-manager: Depends: python (< 2.8) but 2.7.2-7ubuntu2 is installed [04:32] oh. So is it working or not? [04:32] I mv'd the /var/cache/apt dir and created another apt dir [04:32] no, got dependendecnys [04:34] how to fix 'unmet' dependencies ? [04:38] I am trying sudo apt-get -f install big d/l of thunderbird [04:38] ok, then lets do this differently [04:38] maybe it'll get better [04:38] Put back the old apt directory, but delete the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives [04:39] no errors with that fix [04:39] Technically anything in /var/cache should be able to be deleted. I guess that isn't really true this time. [04:40] Why do I never have an ubuntu install CD when I need one [04:40] ? [04:40] in apt was dir archives and pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin all were recreated. [04:41] Shall I do anything else before trying out update mgr again ? [04:42] I am confused. What are the steps you have taken to reach the current state of /var/cache/apt? [04:42] I am trying sudo apt-get -f install [04:43] I know that [04:43] How have you molested your file system since I started trying to help? [04:43] after trying updt mgr and it failed with dependencies error., [04:44] 1. mv apt bapt [04:44] 2.mkdir apt -- check permissions, good. [04:44] 3. update mgr --> failed depndcys [04:45] 4. sudo apt-get -f install [04:45] Why is it necessary to -f? [04:46] dunno, so many say that when anything wrong [04:46] Forcing things when you don't know what is wrong is generally a bad idea. [04:47] You need to make your apt database consistent [04:47] yep, is there way to check the consistancy ? [04:47] I want to see the error message you get when you dont' use -f [04:48] run same without -f [04:48] here goes [04:49] libstdc++5 no longer needed. use apt-get autoremove 0 up, 0 new 0 to remov 3 not upgraded [04:50] no errors that I see [04:50] ok. Now just apt-get install your package and let it download dependencies [04:51] what pkg ? one of the 3 not upgraded ? [04:52] I thought you were trying to install a specific package. What is the goal here? [04:53] fix installer(s) to have no errors NOR crash. Then to update all until no more updates needed. [04:53] sudo apt-get upgrade [04:53] 'k [04:54] if your package list is old you will have to sudo apt-get update first [04:54] about 15 minutes old [04:55] then just upgrade [04:55] Just finished. [04:55] no visible errors [04:56] k. You can sudo apt-get autoremove to get rid of any leftover packages [04:56] (since it did suggest that...) [04:56] 'k [04:57] freed up 1.0 mb [04:58] I might be done now with the installer(s) ? [04:58] I think so [04:59] Now I can see if firefox still has issues. It locks computer or crashes out soon after starting. [05:00] hasn't crashed yet. [05:00] 10 min and I'll know for sure [05:02] time to brush teeth and other things [05:09] 10 minutes and no crashing yet. [05:16] Seems to be all working much better now. [05:17] good [11:34] Morning [12:05] Morning. [15:31] * waltman *YAWNS* [15:35] * rmg51 continues to read the morning paper [15:46] * waltman tries to figure out why the awstats cronjob suddenly decided to start reporting errors [15:49] aha! permissions on /etc/apache2/access.log changed from 644 to 640 [15:49] er, /var/log/apache2/access.log [15:54] * rmg51 still continues to read the morning paper and listen to Pandora [15:55] ok, let's see if this fixes it... [16:00] backups++ [19:01] I can not get a bootloader to to boot my ExpressCard SSD on my laptop :-( [19:01] grub does not see it [19:02] now does the EasyBCD BIOS extender image [19:03] s/now/nor [19:48] I think this is impossible [19:48] I might throw some money at this problem [19:58] ChinnoDog: if you want, you can also throw some money my way ;-) [20:02] ChinnoDog: do you mean grub from grub cli (prompt) can't see it? [20:02] and is this grub or grub2 [20:09] grub4dos, which was installed by EasyBCD in windows [20:09] and no, it can not [20:09] root (hd1,1) says invalid drive [20:11] I can solve this at the cost of $9 + 1 USB port. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0352697 [20:13] rescure cd image to kickboot the ssd [20:13] rescue ?? [20:15] hmm. I have to think about that for a minute [20:21] I want to do this without creating new problems. haha [20:23] oh, so whole hidden os on stick...usb boot works...hidden chinno done [20:24] I'm not sure how hidden it needs to be [20:24] I don't want to be constrained by the TrueCrypt policy of hidden volumes not having access to regular ones. I think I might use dm_crypt and be happy with that [20:24] Separation of personal files from work files should be enough [20:27] If I am going to throw money at it anyway I want to keep this simple. hmm [20:28] ten bucks doesn't count as 'money' [20:29] more like cost of doing business [20:32] jedijf: spends more then that crossing bridges === Joe_CoT is now known as channel_ === channel_ is now known as Joe_CoT [20:58] Well, option 1: use USB flash as boot media, but then bootstrap Expresscard SSD that is invisible to BIOS [20:59] option 2: Buy a USB flash big enough to install Ubuntu on it and use ExpressCard SSD as /home [21:09] does it have to be an ssd? why not just a thumb drive? [21:10] Because 1. I already own it 2. It doesn't stick out of the laptop [21:12] 3. it is the hardest way to do it :-D [21:12] I know :-( [21:17] There might be another way [21:18] maybe better? I could get the little USB flash and install XenClient to it [21:18] My laptop has been on the HCL from the beginning [21:18] I would be able to boot natively without USB flash, boot in XenClient with it [21:18] and Ubuntu could happily exist entirely on the SSD [21:20] I take it back. Too many caveats with that. Ubuntu support in Xenclient not that great; I won't even be able to run 11.10. [21:21] just keep over thinking it :P [21:23] :-p [21:29] If it was more than 4gb I would consider just installing Ubuntu on it but it isn't big enough [21:29] Does that flash drive have anything to do with my S-100 buss computers from long ago ? [21:30] maybe dsl or puppy? [21:32] I only want to install Xubuntu. Idk the answer to the other question. Maybe not, but I don't see any devices with similar names made by Emtec. Maybe it was a marketing person being clever. [21:33] ChinnoDog: i run ubus on 4gig disks [21:35] I've installed it on 2 but it was really tight [21:36] 4gb isn't enough for a full fledged workhorse type install [21:44] omg. lol [21:44] I have a second option [21:44] I feel so stupid now [21:45] Awhile back I bought a cd-rom bay hard disk adapter [21:45] but it didn't seem to work [21:45] I just tried it again. I think I didn't know how to make it work before [21:45] I could just use the other hard disk. [21:50] http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0282745 [21:50] WINNER [21:50] The hard disk in the tray now came from work [21:51] oh. it is out of stock [21:51] out of stock in philly [21:51] just sayin [21:51] :-( [21:52] but still good options...so 3 hd's in lappy...2 mechanical and one ssd? [21:52] That is correct [21:52] I hardly ever use the CD drive anyway [21:53] I'll go see what is in the OEM bins [21:54] philly is asking for people to go light on hd's because of floods in thailand - [21:54] no more than 2 please [21:55] what? lol [21:56] noticed when i picked up my mac mini tb server [21:58] mc closes at 6. I guess I better get dressed and go. [22:03] Oh. Ther eis a 320gb hard disk in my personal laptop I am not even using [22:04] Too many parts around here [22:05] 249 [22:07] 320gb sata hdd installed. Awesome [22:07] I just found a laptop drive in my backpack. [22:07] I lost it months ago. [22:13] I have lots of space for Ubuntu and I can partition the SSD so that both Windows and Ubuntu can use it for accelerating disk operations.