[02:43] <ChinnoDog> sup peeps
[02:43] <ChinnoDog> hi ssweeny
[03:38] <HowdyDoody> hi ChinnoDog
[03:39] <HowdyDoody> Hi ChinnoDog
[03:41] <HowdyDoody> First is was invisible chars, then they both went red.   InHisName only sees black ones.
[03:42] <HowdyDoody> ChinnoDog: know much about fixing installers ?   See pastebin above.
[03:48] <InHisName> After 13.5 hours of classroom lectures, are you all too tired to type ?
[04:07] <ChinnoDog> HowdyDoody: what is wrong with your file system? Either your apt cache is corrupted (just delete it) or you are out of space or some other resource.
[04:15] <InHisName> Just delete it ?   what path to ref for delete ?
[04:16] <ChinnoDog> uh
[04:16] <ChinnoDog> I think you can wipe out /var/cache/apt
[04:18] <InHisName> How is it reconstructed ?   with simple commands like   sudo apt-get -f  install ?
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> I think apt automatically rebuilds it when it downloads stuff
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> If you aren't sure then just rename it or move it
[04:19] <InHisName> ok
[04:19] <ChinnoDog> It will definitely redownload packages the next time you try to install something and hopefully fix your corrupted package error
[04:30] <HowdyDoody> update software:  --->The package system is broken               Check if you are using third party  repositories. If so disable them, since they are a common source of problems.                Furthermore run the following command in a Terminal: apt-get install -f
[04:31] <ChinnoDog> I'm not sure how much of that directory you can empty. Try creating the directory but leave it empty
[04:31] <HowdyDoody> details:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:                        thunderbird-globalmenu: Depends: thunderbird (= 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.10.1) but 7.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 is installed                         thunderbird-gnome-support: Depends: thunderbird (= 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.10.1) but 7.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 is installed update-manager: Depends: python (< 2.8) but 2.7.2-7ubuntu2 is installed 
[04:32] <ChinnoDog> oh. So is it working or not?
[04:32] <HowdyDoody> I mv'd the /var/cache/apt dir and created another apt dir
[04:32] <HowdyDoody> no, got dependendecnys
[04:34] <HowdyDoody> how to fix 'unmet' dependencies ?
[04:38] <HowdyDoody> I am trying sudo apt-get -f  install        big d/l of thunderbird
[04:38] <ChinnoDog> ok, then lets do this differently
[04:38] <HowdyDoody> maybe it'll get better
[04:38] <ChinnoDog> Put back the old apt directory, but delete the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:39] <HowdyDoody> no errors with that fix
[04:39] <ChinnoDog> Technically anything in /var/cache should be able to be deleted. I guess that isn't really true this time.
[04:40] <ChinnoDog> Why do I never have an ubuntu install CD when I need one
[04:40] <ChinnoDog> ?
[04:40] <HowdyDoody> in apt was dir archives and pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin   all were recreated.
[04:41] <HowdyDoody> Shall I do anything else before trying out update mgr again ?
[04:42] <ChinnoDog> I am confused. What are the steps you have taken to reach the current state of /var/cache/apt?
[04:42] <HowdyDoody> I am trying sudo apt-get -f  install
[04:43] <ChinnoDog> I know that
[04:43] <ChinnoDog> How have you molested your file system since I started trying to help?
[04:43] <HowdyDoody> after trying updt mgr and it failed with dependencies error.,
[04:44] <HowdyDoody> 1. mv apt  bapt
[04:44] <HowdyDoody> 2.mkdir apt   -- check permissions, good.
[04:44] <HowdyDoody> 3. update mgr --> failed depndcys
[04:45] <HowdyDoody> 4. sudo apt-get -f install
[04:45] <ChinnoDog> Why is it necessary to -f?
[04:46] <HowdyDoody> dunno,  so many say that when anything wrong
[04:46] <ChinnoDog> Forcing things when you don't know what is wrong is generally a bad idea.
[04:47] <ChinnoDog> You need to make your apt database consistent
[04:47] <HowdyDoody> yep,   is there way to check the consistancy ?
[04:47] <ChinnoDog> I want to see the error message you get when you dont' use -f
[04:48] <HowdyDoody> run same without -f
[04:48] <HowdyDoody> here goes
[04:49] <HowdyDoody> libstdc++5 no longer needed.       use apt-get autoremove      0 up, 0 new  0 to remov  3 not upgraded
[04:50] <HowdyDoody> no errors that I see
[04:50] <ChinnoDog> ok. Now just apt-get install your package and let it download dependencies
[04:51] <HowdyDoody> what pkg ?   one of the 3 not upgraded ?
[04:52] <ChinnoDog> I thought you were trying to install a specific package. What is the goal here?
[04:53] <HowdyDoody> fix installer(s) to have no errors NOR crash.    Then to update all until no more updates needed.
[04:53] <ChinnoDog> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:53] <HowdyDoody> 'k
[04:54] <ChinnoDog> if your package list is old you will have to sudo apt-get update first
[04:54] <HowdyDoody> about 15 minutes old
[04:55] <ChinnoDog> then just upgrade
[04:55] <HowdyDoody> Just finished.
[04:55] <HowdyDoody> no visible errors
[04:56] <ChinnoDog> k. You can sudo apt-get autoremove to get rid of any leftover packages
[04:56] <ChinnoDog> (since it did suggest that...)
[04:56] <HowdyDoody> 'k
[04:57] <HowdyDoody> freed up 1.0 mb
[04:58] <HowdyDoody> I might be done now with the installer(s) ?
[04:58] <ChinnoDog> I think so
[04:59] <HowdyDoody> Now I can see if firefox still has issues.   It locks computer or crashes out soon after starting.
[05:00] <HowdyDoody> hasn't crashed yet.
[05:00] <HowdyDoody> 10 min and I'll know for sure
[05:02] <HowdyDoody> time to brush teeth and other things
[05:09] <HowdyDoody> 10 minutes and no crashing yet.
[05:16] <HowdyDoody> Seems to be all working much better now.
[05:17] <ChinnoDog> good
[11:34] <rmg51> Morning
[12:05] <JonathanD> Morning.
[15:31]  * waltman *YAWNS*
[15:35]  * rmg51 continues to read the morning paper
[15:46]  * waltman tries to figure out why the awstats cronjob suddenly decided to start reporting errors
[15:49] <waltman> aha! permissions on /etc/apache2/access.log changed from 644 to 640
[15:49] <waltman> er, /var/log/apache2/access.log
[15:54]  * rmg51 still continues to read the morning paper and listen to Pandora 
[15:55] <waltman> ok, let's see if this fixes it...
[16:00] <waltman> backups++
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> I can not get a bootloader to to boot my ExpressCard SSD on my laptop :-(
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> grub does not see it
[19:02] <ChinnoDog> now does the EasyBCD BIOS extender image
[19:03] <ChinnoDog> s/now/nor
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> I think this is impossible
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> I might throw some money at this problem
[19:58] <rmg51> ChinnoDog: if you want, you can also throw some money my way ;-)
[20:02] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: do you mean grub from grub cli (prompt) can't see it?
[20:02] <jedijf> and is this grub or grub2
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> grub4dos, which was installed by EasyBCD in windows
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> and no, it can not
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> root (hd1,1) says invalid drive
[20:11] <ChinnoDog> I can solve this at the cost of $9 + 1 USB port. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0352697
[20:13] <jedijf> rescure cd image to kickboot the ssd
[20:13] <jedijf> rescue ??
[20:15] <ChinnoDog> hmm. I have to think about that for a minute
[20:21] <ChinnoDog> I want to do this without creating new problems. haha
[20:23] <jedijf> oh, so whole hidden os on stick...usb boot works...hidden chinno done
[20:24] <ChinnoDog> I'm not sure how hidden it needs to be
[20:24] <ChinnoDog> I don't want to be constrained by the TrueCrypt policy of hidden volumes not having access to regular ones. I think I might use dm_crypt and be happy with that
[20:24] <ChinnoDog> Separation of personal files from work files should be enough
[20:27] <ChinnoDog> If I am going to throw money at it anyway I want to keep this simple. hmm
[20:28] <jedijf> ten bucks doesn't count as 'money'
[20:29] <jedijf> more like cost of doing business
[20:32] <rmg51> jedijf: spends more then that crossing bridges
[20:58] <ChinnoDog> Well, option 1: use USB flash as boot media, but then bootstrap Expresscard SSD that is invisible to BIOS
[20:59] <ChinnoDog> option 2: Buy a USB flash big enough to install Ubuntu on it and use ExpressCard SSD as /home
[21:09] <rmg51> does it have to be an ssd? why not just a thumb drive?
[21:10] <ChinnoDog> Because 1. I already own it 2. It doesn't stick out of the laptop
[21:12] <rmg51> 3. it is the hardest way to do it :-D
[21:12] <ChinnoDog> I know :-(
[21:17] <ChinnoDog> There might be another way
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> maybe better? I could get the little USB flash and install XenClient to it
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> My laptop has been on the HCL from the beginning
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> I would be able to boot natively without USB flash, boot in XenClient with it
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> and Ubuntu could happily exist entirely on the SSD
[21:20] <ChinnoDog> I take it back. Too many caveats with that. Ubuntu support in Xenclient not that great; I won't even be able to run 11.10.
[21:21] <rmg51> just keep over thinking it :P
[21:23] <ChinnoDog> :-p
[21:29] <ChinnoDog> If it was more than 4gb I would consider just installing Ubuntu on it but it isn't big enough
[21:29] <InHisName> Does that flash drive have anything to do with my S-100 buss computers from long ago ?
[21:30] <InHisName> maybe dsl or puppy?
[21:32] <ChinnoDog> I only want to install Xubuntu. Idk the answer to the other question. Maybe not, but I don't see any devices with similar names made by Emtec. Maybe it was a marketing person being clever.
[21:33] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: i run ubus on 4gig disks
[21:35] <ChinnoDog> I've installed it on 2 but it was really tight
[21:36] <ChinnoDog> 4gb isn't enough for a full fledged workhorse type install
[21:44] <ChinnoDog> omg. lol
[21:44] <ChinnoDog> I have a second option
[21:44] <ChinnoDog> I feel so stupid now
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> Awhile back I bought a cd-rom bay hard disk adapter
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> but it didn't seem to work
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> I just tried it again. I think I didn't know how to make it work before
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> I could just use the other hard disk.
[21:50] <ChinnoDog> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0282745
[21:50] <ChinnoDog> WINNER
[21:50] <ChinnoDog> The hard disk in the tray now came from work
[21:51] <ChinnoDog> oh. it is out of stock
[21:51] <jedijf> out of stock in philly
[21:51] <jedijf> just sayin
[21:51] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[21:52] <jedijf> but still good options...so 3 hd's in lappy...2 mechanical and one ssd?
[21:52] <ChinnoDog> That is correct
[21:52] <ChinnoDog> I hardly ever use the CD drive anyway
[21:53] <ChinnoDog> I'll go see what is in the OEM bins
[21:54] <jedijf> philly is asking for people to go light on hd's because of floods in thailand -
[21:54] <jedijf> no more than 2 please
[21:55] <ChinnoDog> what? lol
[21:56] <jedijf> noticed when i picked up my mac mini tb server
[21:58] <ChinnoDog> mc closes at 6. I guess I better get dressed and go.
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> Oh. Ther eis a 320gb hard disk in my personal laptop I am not even using
[22:04] <ChinnoDog> Too many parts around here
[22:05] <JonathanD> 249
[22:07] <ChinnoDog> 320gb sata hdd installed. Awesome
[22:07] <JonathanD> I just found a laptop drive in my backpack.
[22:07] <JonathanD> I lost it months ago.
[22:13] <ChinnoDog> I have lots of space for Ubuntu and I can partition the SSD so that both Windows and Ubuntu can use it for accelerating disk operations.