| skierpage | A `sudo kill -HUP` to the packagekit parent process of the defunct dpkg produced an "Updating packages [Finished]" notification. Good guess?! ;-) | 00:02 |
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| skierpage | What's up with Kubuntu 12.04? It's the only Ubuntu variant that missed Alpha1, will there be a late alpha1? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1 | 00:10 |
| Riddell | skierpage: no but we expect to do alpha 2 | 00:21 |
| Guest97945 | Riddell: Re: Your suggestion to try 4.8 sounds good. I am a pretty good end user, but dont know much about using the console except for cut and pasting. Is there a good manual on how to go about installing 4.8 and helping with the release? | 00:26 |
| Riddell | Guest97945: I'm afraid not, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu is out of date | 00:27 |
| skierpage | Riddell, sounds good and sorry to hear indirectly about your accident! | 00:28 |
| Riddell | but it's just a case of adding it in the package manager and running a full upgrade | 00:28 |
| Riddell | skierpage: hah, thanks, I'm recovering so should be back on track for the next one | 00:28 |
| Guest97945 | Riddell: i do know how to do that. :) | 00:28 |
| skierpage | Riddell, I think it might help to put a statement somewhere, Google "kubuntu 12.04 alpha1" produces a lot of fake and incorrect download links. And thanks for all you do! | 00:29 |
| BarkingFish | Morning all. Anyone around who can help me, fast? | 00:48 |
| BarkingFish | I am almost at the point of finishing a massive upgrade to KDE 4.7.4 and it's halted at 97% | 00:49 |
| BarkingFish | ps aux in a terminal confirms dpkg has zombified. | 00:49 |
| skierpage | BarkingFish, that happened to me too. | 00:50 |
| BarkingFish | How did you sort it out? | 00:50 |
| skierpage | What I did was `kill -HUP` to the packagekit parent of the dpkg. (`ps alx | egrep 'dpk|apper|package'`) | 00:51 |
| BarkingFish | and what did that do? | 00:51 |
| skierpage | Then I got a notification it completed, and then I could rerun Apper and check for updates. But I haven't actually restarted yet. | 00:52 |
| BarkingFish | ok, I'll give it a shot | 00:52 |
| skierpage | So the fourth number for the dpkg should be its parent PID, which for me was a packagekit process, and I sent `sudo kill -HUP nnnn` to that. But I was guessing ;-) :-) | 00:53 |
| BarkingFish | yeah, well that's just screwed my install... I'm now getting told it's more than a month since I've checked for updates, and apper isn't working at all. Just refreshes the software list, and tells me it can't download the software lists... :( | 00:54 |
| BarkingFish | I get this: "W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric-security_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch" | 00:55 |
| BarkingFish | guess I better reboot | 00:55 |
| Guest97945 | Riddell: I am dling 4.8 right now. Thank you. May your recovery be swift and full. | 00:57 |
| skierpage | BarkingFish, sorry. You could just mindlessly kill more packagekit/apper whatever processes until they restart cleanly... or reboot. | 00:57 |
| mozzy | darn | 00:57 |
| mozzy | i had problem with dpkg handing durin updates | 00:58 |
| mozzy | it killed muon | 00:58 |
| mozzy | hanging* | 00:58 |
| mozzy | installed apper to take its place | 00:58 |
| mozzy | barkingfish helped me out | 00:58 |
| mozzy | i seen updates today for the kernel headers and cringed | 00:59 |
| mozzy | no ty lol | 00:59 |
| mozzy | it was on my mint install but im not taking chances | 00:59 |
| mozzy | lol | 00:59 |
| skierpage | mozzy, me and BarkingFish also had hangs. If there's a clean web page giving a recipe for when packagekit/Muon/Apper hangs, I couldn't find it. | 00:59 |
| mozzy | k, ive looked as well | 01:00 |
| mozzy | i had to run a dpkg configure -a something like that | 01:00 |
| mozzy | for it to sort itself out | 01:00 |
| mozzy | muon was still broken | 01:00 |
| mozzy | something is wrong with the last batch of updates... big time | 01:01 |
| Kimlaroux | that's why I'm still on 10.04 =P the rate of failure when upgrading is just not worth the trouble | 01:03 |
| Kimlaroux | I got used to use a live-cd to dpkg-reconfigure -a when that happens | 01:03 |
| mozzy | oh ok | 01:05 |
| Kimlaroux | this basically redoes everything dpkg was doing when it hung | 01:07 |
| Kimlaroux | it can take a while | 01:07 |
| skierpage | Kimaroux, my 10.10, 11.04, 11.10 updates all went fine and minor updates usually work flawlessly. "Your mileage may vary" | 01:07 |
| mozzy | ya i figured it rebuilt itself | 01:07 |
| mozzy | but theres more worng, even after removing and reinstalling muon, muon was dead | 01:08 |
| mozzy | appers is workin right now so im just thankful i have that | 01:08 |
| mozzy | could get useto it | 01:08 |
| mozzy | :) | 01:08 |
| mozzy | brb | 01:08 |
| almoxarife | new to kubuntu, i want to use the built in backup system, i believe i optioned something off so i cant start it, what minimums must be met to activate the backup module? | 03:43 |
| almoxarife | i would be as happy with a kde backup util as a second choice | 03:44 |
| dasKreech | almoxarife: a kde backup? | 03:56 |
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| almoxarife | kde backup tool for the desktop file system, | 03:57 |
| dasKreech | ah what are you intending on backing up? | 03:59 |
| dasKreech | !info luckybackup | 04:03 |
| ubottu | luckybackup (source: luckybackup): rsync-based GUI data backup utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.6-1 (oneiric), package size 578 kB, installed size 1292 kB | 04:03 |
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| wesker_ | hi all=) | 06:23 |
| dasKreech | Hello | 06:25 |
| psyrus | i want to disable the hyperthreading on my i5-2410m laptop as to determine any performance difference. | 07:08 |
| anubis | Hello? | 07:45 |
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| legendarydesu_ | I have a Dillema/Preposition. | 10:04 |
| legendarydesu_ | Who would like to teach me programming. | 10:05 |
| FloodBotK1 | !netsplit | 10:07 |
| ubottu | netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit | 10:07 |
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| legendarydesu_ | Well shit. | 10:26 |
| legendarydesu_ | Either everyone on here's inactive. | 10:26 |
| legendarydesu_ | Or lazy. | 10:26 |
| legendarydesu_ | OI | 10:27 |
| legendarydesu_ | Lazy fucks. | 10:27 |
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| peace_ | Tm_T: xD | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | peace_: where? | 10:31 |
| peace_ | he is gone | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | I know very well, but thanks anyway (: | 10:31 |
| aguitel | after aptitude full-upgrade it say:Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out | 11:04 |
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| nunuke | hali | 13:07 |
| nunuke | honnan tudok leszedni olan kiegészítőt amivel tudok mp3at lejátszani? | 13:08 |
| hzozokk | how to restart plasma-desktop? | 13:12 |
| mozzy | hi all | 13:53 |
| mozzy | easy one | 13:54 |
| mozzy | tryin to make kubuntu auto login, im at the right area and set it up but it still wont auto login | 13:54 |
| mozzy | oops its on Mint 12, guess i should be askin in a Mint 12 channel | 13:55 |
| mozzy | minty mint irc | 13:55 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 14:04 |
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| utherpendragon | Hello. I'm a new KDE/Kubuntu user. Just trying this out to see if it works. | 15:18 |
| utherpendragon | IRC, I mean; not Kubuntu... | 15:18 |
| fatum | works. | 15:19 |
| utherpendragon | Thanks! | 15:19 |
| utherpendragon | I'm having a great experience with kubuntu so far... I have one question | 15:20 |
| utherpendragon | There is an app I use that shows in menu but won't launch unless I enter it in the terminal | 15:21 |
| utherpendragon | then it runs normally... | 15:21 |
| utherpendragon | any idea how I can get it to launch without running it in konsole? | 15:21 |
| utherpendragon | I installed it through a ppa, if that makes a difference | 15:24 |
| Roey | hey there | 15:27 |
| Roey | yeah | 15:27 |
| Roey | press on the big K, search for the program there, and when it pops up in the search results list, drag it to the panel | 15:27 |
| Roey | utherpendragon: see above | 15:28 |
| utherpendragon | OK | 15:28 |
| utherpendragon | says "KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/damnvid/Damnvid | 15:30 |
| Roey | how did you install the app?" | 15:30 |
| Roey | hmm. | 15:30 |
| Roey | btw I am not one of the Kubuntu folks here, just a groupie | 15:30 |
| utherpendragon | through konsole, after adding ppa and update | 15:30 |
| Roey | and on the comamnd line it just works?? | 15:30 |
| utherpendragon | yes! | 15:31 |
| Roey | well go to the icon's properties and see what command is being executed on the command line | 15:31 |
| utherpendragon | I'll try that | 15:31 |
| BluesKaj | utherpendragon, which app is it ? | 15:31 |
| Roey | hey BluesKaj :) | 15:31 |
| BluesKaj | hi Roey | 15:32 |
| utherpendragon | It's calle 'Damnvid'. I've been using it in Linux Mint to download youtube videos... works great | 15:32 |
| BluesKaj | utherpendragon, you could also right click on the app> icon settings>application command> try "damnvid" there or usr/bin/damnvid , there's an app called youtube-dl that your run in the cli using the url as well | 15:36 |
| utherpendragon | it looks like a python script. But there uis no Damnvid folder in '/usr/share/damnvid/ | 15:37 |
| BluesKaj | damnvid actually | 15:37 |
| BluesKaj | % and U won't send to text here wth | 15:38 |
| utherpendragon | in 'user/bin' it is a shell script | 15:38 |
| utherpendragon | If I open as root I can change how it opens? | 15:39 |
| BluesKaj | utherpendragon, it's damnvid % and U , with no and | 15:39 |
| BluesKaj | utherpendragon, try youtube-dl | 15:40 |
| utherpendragon | youtube-dl is in Muon? | 15:40 |
| BluesKaj | sudo apt-get install youtube-dl , it's a terminal based app | 15:43 |
| utherpendragon | damnvid script is executable | 15:44 |
| utherpendragon | Oh. Actually using damnvid through terminal is not that big a hardship... it's easy to use and works perfectly | 15:45 |
| BluesKaj | ok then , in the application command in icon settings ( damnvid) | 15:45 |
| utherpendragon | but I'll check out youtube-dl | 15:45 |
| utherpendragon | it also downloads many other video formats besides youtube, and can convert video | 15:46 |
| BluesKaj | utherpendragon, for some reason I can't get the chat text to show % and U which are required in the command | 15:46 |
| BluesKaj | for damnvid | 15:47 |
| Torch | BluesKaj: turn off mirc colours | 15:47 |
| BluesKaj | Torch, Idon't have mirc colours on konversation , altho I do have "custom colours" | 15:48 |
| BluesKaj | damnvid | 15:49 |
| BluesKaj | nope still doesn't show them , must be a command not allowed in the chat text | 15:50 |
| utherpendragon | I think the problem is it's looking for 'Damnvid' folder in root, when it is in my /home | 15:50 |
| utherpendragon | maybe? | 15:50 |
| utherpendragon | but that's not how it works in Mint | 15:51 |
| BluesKaj | utherpendragon, copy it to /usr/share o, /usr/bin, /usr/lib, or /usr/share ..not sure which one will | 15:52 |
| BluesKaj | dam phatphingers | 15:52 |
| utherpendragon | :) | 15:53 |
| utherpendragon | oh hell, I'll try youtube-dl, or just continue using damnvid in terminal... at least it just works | 15:53 |
| Torch | BluesKaj: configure -> behaviour -> chat window -> disable variable expansion | 15:54 |
| utherpendragon | Thanks for your time... | 15:55 |
| BluesKaj | utherpendragon, it's an interesting experiment to see which usr dir the app will work from , the default is usually /usr/bin/ | 15:55 |
| utherpendragon | ah, OK. I'll experiment... | 15:55 |
| BluesKaj | damnvid%U | 15:55 |
| BluesKaj | aha thanks Torch :) | 15:56 |
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| === savio is now known as RocknRolla | ||
| utherpendragon | thanks again.. bye | 15:57 |
| RocknRolla | hello | 15:57 |
| RocknRolla | my kde have probleam | 15:57 |
| RocknRolla | anyone help plz | 15:57 |
| BluesKaj | RocknRolla, still using backtrack ? | 16:00 |
| RocknRolla | yah | 16:01 |
| RocknRolla | BluesKaj: is there any problem with backtrack | 16:02 |
| RocknRolla | if anyy plz tell me | 16:02 |
| BluesKaj | !backtrack | RocknRolla | 16:03 |
| ubottu | RocknRolla: There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mint), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), CrunchBang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #backtrack-linux), Ultimate Edition | 16:03 |
| RocknRolla | thx you both | 16:06 |
| psyrus | moun crashed on me when trying to do system updates so how can i do this all through the console instead ? | 16:45 |
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| BluesKaj | psyrus, is muon turned off , make sure before runing any update or install commands in the konsole | 16:47 |
| BluesKaj | !apt-get | psyrus | 16:47 |
| ubottu | psyrus: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome), !Adept (KDE) or !KPackageKit (KDE) | 16:47 |
| psyrus | oh sweet | 16:49 |
| psyrus | i didnt even know i could run the synaptic or adept on kubuntu | 16:49 |
| psyrus | !synaptic | 16:51 |
| ubottu | synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto | 16:51 |
| psyrus | oooohh... lol | 16:52 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, synaptic is still my fav abd finally adept is back ...that darn muon is too buggy to use IMO | 16:53 |
| psyrus | but can i use synaptic under kde ? | 16:54 |
| psyrus | or kubuntu 11.1 i mean | 16:54 |
| psyrus | i'm still trying to read the short apt-get manual link u got | 16:55 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, yes , if you don't mind some gtk apps ..doesn't bother me , synaptic runs just fine on kde | 16:58 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, I don't really use package managers very much , mostly it's for referncing and searching for available packages and their descrptions . Otherwise I use apt-get for updates upgrades installs and removals | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | gtk libs , not apps | 17:00 |
| psyrus | BluesKaj: if i can help it, i think i wanna avoid the console right now | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | then synaptic is your best choice IMO , psyrus | 17:01 |
| psyrus | i guess i better fill out a crash report on moun... | 17:01 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, don't bother it's been done manytimes already | 17:01 |
| psyrus | lol i was just thinking that | 17:03 |
| psyrus | it wont even restart... | 17:04 |
| psyrus | quite honestly.. i think i am just going to try using a different distro... | 17:06 |
| psyrus | but i want the nice gui that kde has | 17:06 |
| psyrus | it seems its just an ongiong problem , and the constant going onto irc all the time and spending sevearl hours tring to get help | 17:07 |
| psyrus | BluesKaj: i think i'm off to try a new distro .... | 17:08 |
| peace_ | i use terminal | 17:09 |
| psyrus | peace_: i'm a dos head.. but it's like i'm trying to learn a programming language when i try and figure out the console commands | 17:10 |
| psyrus | its hard to switch gears | 17:11 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, if you're going to be a serious linux user , learning the cli (konsole or terminal) to some degree is necessary , relying on GUI s for everything is for windows users | 17:11 |
| ts2 | (ba)sh _is_ technically a programming language :) | 17:11 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, no matter which linux distro you use some knowledge of the command line will be necessary and very useful ,and it's probly much easier than you think | 17:13 |
| psyrus | BluesKaj: i understand what your saying ... | 17:14 |
| BluesKaj | especially being a dos guy , it should come naturally :) | 17:16 |
| psyrus | windows almost makes me lazy | 17:17 |
| psyrus | and right about now, i'm REALLY lazy ...heh.. | 17:17 |
| peace_ | psyrus: type this on konsole sudo apt-g THNE PRESS TAB KEY | 17:19 |
| peace_ | several times | 17:19 |
| psyrus | apt-g isn't recognized | 17:21 |
| EvilResistance | apt-get then | 17:22 |
| psyrus | EvilResistance: what are "super cow powers" ?? ... and do i display all 2141 | 17:25 |
| psyrus | peace_: , its asking if i want to display all 2,141 possibilities, i assume that these are all the possible updates i can choose from ? | 17:27 |
| psyrus | well i dont think i'm going to work today, so i've got all day to play with linux | 17:33 |
| psyrus | (and play some ql) | 17:33 |
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| peace_ | psyrus: i get this http://paste.kde.org/187394 | 17:43 |
| psyrus | peace_: ok | 17:45 |
| psyrus | peace_: um... it looks like its trying to (or has) pick up at the point that moun crashed at | 17:51 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, run this in the terminal , sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a | 17:52 |
| psyrus | BluesKaj: its allready been configured . it's done with all of it now i think | 17:53 |
| BluesKaj | ok good , psyrus , if it locks up again save that command ...it's quite handy | 17:56 |
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| BluesKaj | psyrus, especially sudo dpkg --configure -a , it helps resolve uninstalled packages | 17:57 |
| psyrus | BluesKaj: it locked up again , lol.. | 17:59 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, open the system monitor and kill muon , it's probly in dependency hell | 18:00 |
| peace_ | BluesKaj: xD kill muon | 18:00 |
| peace_ | BluesKaj: murder | 18:00 |
| * BluesKaj removes muon from his system | 18:02 | |
| psyrus | BluesKaj: i dont see it anywhere on the list.. | 18:04 |
| BluesKaj | then it's a zombie , altho zombies aren't supposed interfere | 18:05 |
| BluesKaj | to | 18:05 |
| psyrus | BluesKaj: ok, i'm going to run apt-get dist-upgrade | 18:06 |
| BluesKaj | psyrus, , my best suggestion is to reboot , then sudo apt-get remove muon in the terminal | 18:06 |
| psyrus | BluesKaj: ok | 18:07 |
| psyrus | there's little indication that i rebooted, but i just realized i forgot to identify myself | 18:19 |
| psyrus | when i see a red line on quassel that means there was a break in my connection right ? | 18:21 |
| psyrus | peace_: did u see what i just said ? i forgot to tab your name | 18:22 |
| rork | psyrus: no, the redline marks where you switched your view to another channel (or maybe lost focus on the window), it's where you left reading | 18:23 |
| psyrus | oh okay | 18:24 |
| psyrus | rork: thnx | 18:24 |
| rork | yw | 18:25 |
| psyrus | i dont try to act like a n00b but i know it's pretty obvious , and i hate helping out people who have absolutely no understanding of what i'm doing, but i sorta grit my teeth and deal with it and sooner or later they end up learning a thing or to | 18:26 |
| dabbill | is there a way to make it so apt-get uses multi cores when installing software? | 18:27 |
| dav_ | hi when I download a new splash screen theme, it is not added to the list. Can you help me? | 18:31 |
| Free_Bullets | dabbill, apt-get doesn't really use much cpu, does it? most of the time it's either doing hard drive work or downloading something. | 18:31 |
| dabbill | Free_Bullets: i always just see it maxing out at 20% meaning its only useing 1 core | 18:32 |
| Free_Bullets | dabbill, if it was able to utilize all cores, it would probably do it by default | 18:32 |
| dabbill | Free_Bullets: also when installing software with a script that comes with it, it will only use 1 core to compile, any way to change the default -j for make? | 18:33 |
| Free_Bullets | i see | 18:33 |
| Free_Bullets | i'm not sure, sorry | 18:33 |
| psyrus | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) <---- it'a unable to lock he admin dir , asking if i'm a root.... | 18:34 |
| psyrus | *the | 18:35 |
| psyrus | man how do i login as a "root" again ? | 18:37 |
| psyrus | i was before i dont know how i got changed | 18:38 |
| Free_Bullets | psyrus, where does that error message come from? | 18:38 |
| psyrus | on my console | 18:38 |
| Free_Bullets | "su -" to get back to root | 18:38 |
| genii-around | !sudo | 18:38 |
| ubottu | sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo | 18:38 |
| psyrus | is there no way to keep the console "always on top" | 18:44 |
| Free_Bullets | right click on the title bar, advanced, keep above | 18:47 |
| Free_Bullets | psyrus, | 18:47 |
| psyrus | Free_Bullets: :) thanx man hehe i overlooked that one | 18:47 |
| psyrus | omg i'm getting an authenticatino failure.. oh craaaaaaaa | 18:49 |
| psyrus | is there a different password to get into root than when i use my account password ? | 18:50 |
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| genii-around | psyrus: Root account is disabled by design on (K)ubuntu. See the info that the bot gave about sudo command. | 19:04 |
| genii-around | !root | 19:04 |
| ubottu | Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo | 19:04 |
| DarthFrog | psyrus: Preface a command with "sudo" when you need (and only when you need) to execute it with root privileges. There is no root account in Kubuntu and one is not needed. The system is more secure without a root account. | 19:07 |
| DarthFrog | sudo = SuperUser Do | 19:07 |
| psyrus | DarthFrog: i just saw a thread about someone "breaking there system" by taking permission of the root dir. | 19:08 |
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| DarthFrog | psyrus: I'm not quite sure what it is meant bye "taking permission of the root dir". But if you screw around with your system while having root privilegs, yes, you can really break things. There is an equivalent to "format c:" in Linux and if excuted with root privileges, it will have the same effect. Without root privileges, it won't do anything (unless executed in your home directory) as it won't have permission. | 19:11 |
| DarthFrog | psyrus: It is said that Linux is not user friendly. If assuming that you actually know what you're doing and helping you do that, then it is indeed user friendly. if you know what you're doing. | 19:12 |
| psyrus | DarthFrog: ok. dont plat on doing anything other than getting these damned updates installed and getting onto more important things | 19:12 |
| DarthFrog | psyrus: This command will work, all on one line: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 19:13 |
| psyrus | i still gotta setup wine again and all the other crap i lost b/c of having to do a reinstall | 19:13 |
| DarthFrog | psyrus: Have your home directory on its own partition. Then whenever you reinstall, you don't lose whatever's in your home directory. | 19:14 |
| psyrus | okay, i'll resize this partition (i think i only gave linux about 50 gig . um.. 4 of that is for swap | 19:15 |
| psyrus | ) | 19:15 |
| psyrus | DarthFrog: how big do i make the partition and i just mount it on the /home | 19:16 |
| DarthFrog | psyrus: Well, only you can answer that question. How much RAM do you have? How big is the hard drive(s)? What other OS's do you wish to run? | 19:17 |
| psyrus | okay i'm confused though | 19:17 |
| psyrus | how much room out of this 46 gig i have for linux do i use for linux, and for my home ? | 19:18 |
| psyrus | deathfrog | 19:18 |
| DarthFrog | If it were me, I'd give the system 10 GB (and keep it clean) and the rest to /home. I have plenty of RAM and don't need a swap partition. I could have a swapfile instead, in the system partition. | 19:20 |
| DarthFrog | But I don't need a lot of space in /tmp or /var. Depending on what you do, you may and 10 GB may not be enough for you. | 19:21 |
| psyrus | i have 4 g of ram.. | 19:21 |
| DarthFrog | You need swap. At least 4 GB. | 19:21 |
| psyrus | i do | 19:21 |
| DarthFrog | If you manipulate large files (graphics, videos) you'll need more /tmp space. | 19:22 |
| psyrus | i am not going to worry aabout that now , i dont plan reinstalling this thing again for a very elong time, (this is window's fault i had to reinstall both o/s's ) | 19:23 |
| DarthFrog | Mind you, if you manipulate large files, you'll need more RAM. :-) | 19:23 |
| psyrus | i do manipulate VERY large files | 19:23 |
| DarthFrog | How large. | 19:23 |
| DarthFrog | ? | 19:23 |
| psyrus | well, some were around 100g | 19:23 |
| psyrus | but thats all raw video/audio uncompressed | 19:23 |
| DarthFrog | In 46 GB? I don't think so. | 19:23 |
| psyrus | at like 1080dpi | 19:23 |
| psyrus | no | 19:23 |
| psyrus | no in linux | 19:24 |
| psyrus | in windows | 19:24 |
| FloodBotK2 | psyrus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. | 19:24 |
| DarthFrog | Install Windows first, then Linux. That way, dual-booting will be automatically set up correctly for you. | 19:24 |
| DarthFrog | As you know Windows doesn't play nice with others. | 19:24 |
| psyrus | i dont understand why the heck they dont let you just download the recovery console anymore ?? (or do they ? cuz i couldn't find it ANYWHERE cept on nerosmart -- who wants $10 for it) i had no way to fix my boot loader except through linux | 19:26 |
| psyrus | (reinstalling the whole linux) | 19:26 |
| DarthFrog | There's lots of Linux recovery tool/distros. | 19:26 |
| psyrus | i am planning on getting one soon | 19:27 |
| DarthFrog | Also, have you looked at Clonezilla? | 19:27 |
| psyrus | how can i confirm all my updates were sucessfully installed ? | 19:27 |
| DarthFrog | By doing it again. If nothing happens, you're OK. | 19:27 |
| psyrus | okay | 19:27 |
| psyrus | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 19:28 |
| DarthFrog | Do your self a favour and put that command in ~/.bash_aliases. | 19:29 |
| psyrus | funny... | 19:30 |
| psyrus | thanks 4 the help man. its got everything | 19:30 |
| DarthFrog | This is the contents of my ~/.bash_aliases file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/806565/ | 19:31 |
| psyrus | wait | 19:31 |
| psyrus | i dont know what that is now | 19:31 |
| DarthFrog | An alias is a command substitution. If I give the command "update", it executes "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". The file is /home/rob/.bash_aliases. "~" is short for "users home directory". | 19:32 |
| DarthFrog | You might have heard that you can build your own tools in Linux/Unix? My "lspkg" alias is an example of doing so. | 19:34 |
| psyrus | gotcha | 19:34 |
| psyrus | whats the 1st supposed to be doing ? | 19:35 |
| psyrus | lspkg command ? | 19:35 |
| DarthFrog | I use it to search which packages are installed, viz.: lspkg | grep linux This will show me all installed packages with the word linux in their name. | 19:36 |
| psyrus | um... so do i just copy that to a notepad and save it as a file ? and in what dir? | 19:38 |
| DarthFrog | There are various ls (list) commands available: ls, lsusb, lspci, lsattr, lshw, etc. So I named it "list package". :-) | 19:38 |
| DarthFrog | If you want to use it, create a file /home/psyrus/.bash_aliases and put any aliases you want defined there. | 19:39 |
| DarthFrog | AFK | 19:39 |
| psyrus | (i dont put the numbers in there though right ..? ) | 19:40 |
| psyrus | ie: /home/psyrus/psyrus.bash_aliases | 19:42 |
| psyrus | man.... i did something wrong because it doesn't recognize the command, do i need to reboot after i stuck that "psyrus.bash_asliases in my home /psyrus/ dir ?? | 19:44 |
| psyrus | DarthFrog: is the "." in your part about the /psyrus/.bash_alaises a typo ? or am i supposed to make up a name and use that .bash_aliases as it's extension? | 19:49 |
| DarthFrog | Back. | 19:49 |
| DarthFrog | The "." that prefaces a file name means it's a hidden file. It's part of the file name. File extentions have no meaning in Linux (they may mean something to individual programs but nothing to the system). | 19:50 |
| psyrus | k | 19:51 |
| DarthFrog | The file name would be ".bash_aliases" and would be in /home/psyrus (or whatever your home directory is). It will be loaded the next time you log in or by the command: source .bash_aliases | 19:51 |
| psyrus | DarthFrog: Very nice man!!! | 19:53 |
| psyrus | it works | 19:53 |
| psyrus | its a little batch file sorta | 19:53 |
| DarthFrog | Aliases are very useful, if only for preventing typos. :-) | 19:54 |
| gernode7 | Hello. I have a problem with my ext4 partition. I got a read-only filesystem while I was using a VM on my kubuntu system and now I have a damaged fs. Grub does not find the main partition and can not start. I use a live cd to run dd_rescue and fsck. smartutils says that the disk itself is ok. fsck (e2fsck) gives me veeery many multiply-claimed block errors and it seems to be hanging (it runs since a few days and even w/ -C 0 option | 19:54 |
| DarthFrog | psyrus: the command "alias -p" will show you all the aliases you currently have defined. There are more than you think. | 19:55 |
| DarthFrog | gernode7: You have a backup? You need it. | 19:55 |
| gernode7 | DarthFrog: yes, but not so recent one | 19:56 |
| psyrus | wtf ? | 19:56 |
| DarthFrog | gernode7: The School of Hard Knocks has just taught you the value of recent backups. | 19:56 |
| FloodBotK2 | !netsplit | 19:57 |
| ubottu | netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit | 19:57 |
| DarthFrog | Which reminds me, I need to do a backup. | 19:57 |
| psyrus | very humorous!! | 19:58 |
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| psyrus | finally installing synaptic | 20:07 |
| psyrus | i'll be good once i have some sorta package manager | 20:07 |
| DarthFrog | muon is the package manager. | 20:08 |
| psyrus | i deleted it | 20:08 |
| DarthFrog | And why did you do a damnfool thing like that? | 20:08 |
| psyrus | lol | 20:08 |
| DarthFrog | You deserve to have to use dselect for the rest of your life! | 20:09 |
| DarthFrog | If I had to use dselect, I'd go back to OS/2. | 20:10 |
| psyrus | dselect? | 20:10 |
| DarthFrog | !dselect | 20:10 |
| psyrus | oh boy.. | 20:11 |
| DarthFrog | dselect is the spawn of Satan. | 20:11 |
| psyrus | !dselect | 20:11 |
| psyrus | idk | 20:11 |
| DarthFrog | Be glad that you don't. Be very glad. | 20:11 |
| psyrus | anyways, i gotta install wine now, then a bunch of other crap.... its going to take a while | 20:13 |
| BluesKaj | DarthFrog, muon is buggy , the latest update messed it up | 20:13 |
| psyrus | synaptic is up and running good. it confirms i have no updates to install eiter | 20:14 |
| DarthFrog | Lovely. I wouldn't know, I use apt-get. | 20:14 |
| DarthFrog | Synaptic is OK. | 20:14 |
| BluesKaj | adept still works , looks like it's been upgraded | 20:14 |
| psyrus | i dont care , as long as it works | 20:14 |
| BluesKaj | yup , synaptic ftw | 20:14 |
| DarthFrog | There's also kpackagekit. | 20:14 |
| BluesKaj | bah | 20:14 |
| psyrus | this crap happened to me last time and i dind't know what to do and i spent all day in here trying to get help i was sooo p*** (not at here, but just at the dang o/s and the probs . i have with it) | 20:15 |
| DarthFrog | I never really cottoned onto Adept. Don't know why, but it never appealed to me. | 20:15 |
| BluesKaj | synaptic is merely a reference for apps and their descriptions for me , hardly ever use it to install | 20:15 |
| BluesKaj | synaptic is great for purging stuff tho | 20:16 |
| psyrus | sstill dnloading the wine packages... | 20:25 |
| psyrus | synaptic wokrs just fine | 20:35 |
| psyrus | no problem with installing new stuff | 20:35 |
| buldozer | всем привет | 20:43 |
| DarthFrog | !ru | bulldog98 | 20:44 |
| ubottu | bulldog98: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. | 20:44 |
| Nickmh | Anybody got some time to help figure out what the hell my stsem is doing when I try to install updates using synaptic or muon package manager? | 21:04 |
| Nickmh | stsem = system | 21:04 |
| psyrus | perhaps | 21:05 |
| Nickmh | trying to do a massive update after the PC has been down for 3-4 weeks over tholidays | 21:06 |
| psyrus | okay. well do you want to just do it manually this time around with the console ? | 21:06 |
| Nickmh | Synaptic reported broken packages which i tried to fix using the "Broken" button | 21:06 |
| psyrus | dunno about synaptic... | 21:06 |
| psyrus | i just started using it today | 21:07 |
| psyrus | i was using moun but not anymore | 21:07 |
| Nickmh | HHmmm can do it manually but synaptic is reporting that one file is trying to overwrite another that is already in another package. if that makes sense. I can paste in what it is | 21:07 |
| Nickmh | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-widgets-addons_4%3a4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icontasks/indicators.svgz', which is also in package build 20111113-1 | 21:08 |
| psyrus | when u did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 21:09 |
| psyrus | try typing that in the console and see what it does | 21:09 |
| psyrus | but make sure first that neither package manager is running | 21:09 |
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| Nickmh | opening bash terminal | 21:10 |
| Nickmh | failed to "fetch" an entry for Firefox aurora, but that doesn' | 21:11 |
| Nickmh | t matter | 21:11 |
| psyrus | i dont know .. mebbe try re-running it after it finishes? | 21:12 |
| Nickmh | I'lll remove it from the list of sources so it doesn't interfear | 21:12 |
| psyrus | u prolly no more about this than i do then. lol i just had to remove a package manager completely after a crash, it _stayed_ crashed ... lol .. i dnloaded synaptic from their website , works fine | 21:14 |
| Nickmh | HHmmm, in the bash shell.... | 21:15 |
| Nickmh | just ran sudo apt-get install -f | 21:15 |
| Nickmh | to fix unmet dependacies | 21:15 |
| Nickmh | fixing duplicate sources | 21:17 |
| psyrus | what type of cpu do u have | 21:20 |
| psyrus | i on a ql server right now so | 21:21 |
| Nickmh | I'm just on a cheapy intel box at the moment | 21:23 |
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| Nickmh | ok | 21:23 |
| Nickmh | after running sudo apt-get -f install I get | 21:23 |
| psyrus | y? | 21:24 |
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| psyrus | Nickmh: , hit p and tab and keeping hitting it till psyrus show up and then type me a message next time okay ? | 21:25 |
| psyrus | hey man u ever try out qlprism ?? omg it rocks!!! i get killer fps too | 21:28 |
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| Nickmh | A list of activities Packages to be installed, Removed Updraded etc. | 21:29 |
| Nickmh | The knsol then tells me... | 21:31 |
| Nickmh | Preparing to replace plasma-widgets-addons 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 (using .../plasma-widgets-addons_4%3a4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1_i386.deb) ... | 21:31 |
| Nickmh | Unpacking replacement plasma-widgets-addons ... | 21:31 |
| Nickmh | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-widgets-addons_4%3a4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack): | 21:31 |
| Nickmh | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icontasks/indicators.svgz', which is also in package build 20111113-1 | 21:31 |
| FloodBotK1 | Nickmh: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. | 21:31 |
| Nickmh | psyrus: yep | 21:32 |
| Nickmh | here now | 21:33 |
| Nickmh | Just got "Floodbotted" :) | 21:33 |
| Nickmh | psyrus: that konsol message make any sense to you? | 21:33 |
| Nickmh | HHmmm, I don't know what to do about this | 21:38 |
| Nickmh | anyone got time try and sort out a updateing problrm? | 21:45 |
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| psyrus | Nickmh: get it workin? idk but my whole system froze on me during a game so i had to reboot and accidently went to windows instead of linux | 21:50 |
| Nickmh | psyrus: Nah not yet | 21:51 |
| psyrus | ok whats going on in konsole? | 21:51 |
| Nickmh | OK, I found the problem | 21:53 |
| Nickmh | During the upgarde there is a conflict | 21:54 |
| psyrus | when you get an oppurtunity, can you ping me and tell me what yours says? | 21:54 |
| Nickmh | I have to get back to kde 4.7.4 | 21:54 |
| psyrus | huh??? | 21:54 |
| psyrus | which upgrade did it hang up on ? | 21:54 |
| Nickmh | 4.7.95 | 21:55 |
| psyrus | is 4.7.95 the update or my pong response from you | 21:56 |
| baxeico__ | hi, how to enable the search bar in dolphin? | 21:58 |
| baxeico__ | i mean the search bar used to do nepomuk queries | 21:58 |
| baxeico__ | i cannot see it any more | 21:58 |
| baxeico__ | after upgrading to 4.7 | 21:58 |
| baxeico__ | in onereic | 21:58 |
| Nickmh | psyrus: how do i ping upi from in here? | 22:00 |
| psyrus | Nickmh: /ping psyrus | 22:00 |
| Nickmh | psyrus: ahhh got it. Been a long time since i was in cml | 22:00 |
| Nickmh | HHmmm Got no feedback | 22:01 |
| Nickmh | psyrus: got no feedback | 22:02 |
| psyrus | when i try to ping someone else, it is instinaneous, and i've pinged all sorts of ppl , its gotta be more than that but i dont know how to tell | 22:02 |
| psyrus | no matters | 22:03 |
| psyrus | i dont know much about restoring kde to a previous version | 22:03 |
| psyrus | do you have any idea what that update applies to ? | 22:05 |
| psyrus | when mine froze up , it crashed on the dpkg .. i dont even know what that is.. but it moun wouldn't recover , even after a reboot, so i installed synaptic and it has not given me a single problem ytet | 22:06 |
| Nickmh | I had a beta ppa in software sources. Got rid of that. Now trying to get kde 4.7.4 back | 22:09 |
| psyrus | hey i gotta restart from installing mumble i guess... brb | 22:10 |
| Nickmh | HHHmmmm. Does anyone know how to roll back from kde 4.7.97 to 4.7.4 | 22:26 |
| Nickmh | ? | 22:26 |
| BarkingFish | Nickmh: that's...interesting. How did you get onto 4.7.97 in the first place? We've only just put 4.7.4 out into the pools :) | 22:42 |
| Nickmh | ok, then. GNome it is :) | 22:46 |
| Nickmh | I'll install GNome then KDE 4.7.4 from there :) | 22:46 |
| BarkingFish | Fair enough :P I only asked a civil question :P | 22:49 |
| MaxHR | Hello, is there a way to install plasma Active workspace on kubuntu? if so how? | 22:53 |
| BluesKaj | MaxHR, install kubuntu-desktop | 22:57 |
| benbloom | ok. after hours of tinkering I'm coming to the irc for help.... I've got a 64b machine running 64b kubuntu. It's got 4 DDR2 slots, but if i put more than 2G total of ram, it hangs at login. I can get it to log in in recovery mode using grub2 but then my multi-head display doesn't work as expected, and several other peripherals also seem broken (usb etc) anyone help me to diagnose what's going on here? | 23:03 |
| EvilResistance | benbloom: make sure you're using the correct type of RAM for your hardware | 23:15 |
| EvilResistance | benbloom: then also make sure your BIOS is detecting that new RAM | 23:15 |
| benbloom | EvilResistance, the ram chips I'm using are showing up and passing memtest86+ they work individually, (say one 2G chip works fine) and I've tried running memtest on the individual sticks in different slots to see if there was a problem with the board | 23:25 |
| benbloom | EvilResistance, I've swapped out different chips and it seems to be independent of which chips I use. If i run 2* 1G chips i'm fine, or 1*2G chip I'm fine, but as soon as i have >2G it gets janky. is there a log i can check for errors? | 23:27 |
| EvilResistance | as i said did you check in the BIOS? | 23:28 |
| urmel | hello | 23:36 |
| benbloom | EvilResistance, would the ram work with memtest if BIOS wasn't finding it? | 23:43 |
| BarkingFish | benbloom: just as a thought, can you post the make and model of your board here? I know quite a lot used to have a maxmem for the board of no higher than 2GB... | 23:45 |
| BarkingFish | might be wise to check and see if yours is one of them | 23:45 |
| EvilResistance | benbloom: unless BIOS can see the ram, nothing else can see it | 23:45 |
| EvilResistance | so if BIOS isnt seeing the ram, well... | 23:45 |
| EvilResistance | benbloom: also, can you do as BarkingFish asks, because we can check what the max mem is for your board | 23:46 |
| benbloom | BarkingFish, how do i id the board? it's an Acer Aspire M3100 desktop | 23:47 |
| BarkingFish | you've just done it, give me 2 seconds | 23:48 |
| gastal | benbloom: jumping in the middle of discussion so I apologize if I'm repeating what some one might have said. I've had problems with RAM not being recognized be fixed by updating the BIOS | 23:48 |
| benbloom | gastal, and EvilResistance. while i did not check BIOS per se, I was able to run Memtest86+ on the chips (I did it with 2*2G chips in-- memtest passed but system failed to load properly | 23:50 |
| BarkingFish | Right, this is what the baord appears to be: AM2 Motherboard MB.S8709.001 | 23:50 |
| BarkingFish | http://www.skyline-eng.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=7061 | 23:50 |
| EvilResistance | Memory Support: Up to 4 GB DDR2 533/667/800 MHz SDRAM <-- | 23:51 |
| EvilResistance | i surely hope you have one of those speeds :/ | 23:51 |
| BarkingFish | yeah, so you've not hit maximum memory, the question next is, do those sticks match - i.e are the clock speeds the same, manufacturers the same, I've had trouble with DDR2 before where I've mixed clock speeds and makers... they can be notoriously picky | 23:52 |
| EvilResistance | ^ | 23:52 |
| benbloom | k. it's possible that one of the chips that i've used is not proper speed. when you say up to that's <= not < right? | 23:53 |
| BarkingFish | yes | 23:53 |
| EvilResistance | mhm | 23:53 |
| BarkingFish | You can have up to 4GB in there, meaning the absolute limit is 4GB, you can have lower than or up to that amount | 23:53 |
| benbloom | I just purchased 2 new 2G chips (same specs/mfg) and they gave me trouble | 23:54 |
| BarkingFish | maker and clock speed? | 23:54 |
| benbloom | yup | 23:54 |
| benbloom | same package. they're twin sticks | 23:54 |
| gastal | what frequency? | 23:55 |
| BarkingFish | no.. I mean "what was the clock speed and who was the maker?" :) | 23:55 |
| benbloom | lol crucial. speed was 800mhz | 23:55 |
| gastal | hmm, so should be supported and a decent brand | 23:56 |
| BarkingFish | well crucial is usually fantastic stuff, and 800mhz is supported. | 23:56 |
| EvilResistance | mhm | 23:56 |
| EvilResistance | could be finnicky sticks, even within the same manufacturer stuff like that happens | 23:56 |
| benbloom | i have 4 slots. could be i need to put them in a different config physically? ie alternate yellow/blue or same color? | 23:56 |
| BarkingFish | Next thing then, have you had a check in the ram slots on your board? Are there any signs of dirt, dust, FO's or anything untoward in them? | 23:57 |
| BarkingFish | if so, hoover the board or use compressed air to blow the sockets clean | 23:57 |
| benbloom | i did run memtest86 on each stick individually upon arrival | 23:57 |
| benbloom | does it matter which slot they go into? | 23:57 |
| gastal | benbloom: performance wise: maybe | 23:57 |
| gastal | working wise: no | 23:58 |
| BarkingFish | ideally, put them in the same color slots, i believe one is single channel, one is dual channel and I think it's only relevant to Windows iirc | 23:58 |
| gastal | the modules of same size should stay in same colored slots for optimal performance(dual channel) | 23:58 |
| gastal | BarkingFish: linux can take advantage of dual(or even triple) channel memory just fine | 23:59 |
| BarkingFish | 0.0 | 23:59 |
| BarkingFish | nice, I'll remember that :) | 23:59 |
| gastal | =) | 23:59 |
| benbloom | ok. so now i have 2 twin 1G sticks in the yellow slots (not crucial, but OEM). I was going to add another 800mhz 2G stick to one of the blue slots and see how that works | 23:59 |
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