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StevenKnigelb: Yes00:04
nigelbStevenK: fun! same flight as poolie?00:15
rick_h__ouch, fortunately no delays on my end. Closer to feeling like normal finally00:21
nigelbThey had a baggage truck run into an A380.00:22
rick_h__that sounds fairly not good00:24
nigelbI like was poolie said - "Sounds expensive"00:24
rick_h__StevenK: what's the latest/greatest for taking a setup.py into a .deb?00:25
nigelbWhats the commandline way to propose a merge? I forget.00:30
mwhudsonnigelb: lp-propose i think?00:36
jelmermwhudson: hey, did you see my email about feature flags?00:51
mwhudsonjelmer: no, i don't think so00:52
mwhudsonjelmer: subject/list?00:52
jelmermwhudson: the subject was something about feature flags too00:52
* jelmer looks through his mail00:52
mwhudsonjelmer: when did you send it?00:53
mwhudsonpretty sure i don't have it, anyway00:53
jelmersomewhere last week I think00:53
jelmerI think there's just something that's been eating my mail anyway00:53
mwhudsonah00:54
mwhudsonfun :/00:54
jelmermwhudson: basically, I was wondering how to use the new awesome XML/RPC feature flag server you added00:54
jelmerI couldn't find any examples of existing users00:54
mwhudsonoh right00:54
mwhudsoni don't think there are any uses yet00:54
jelmerthat would explain why I couldn't find any :)00:55
nigelbmwhudson: Strange. It isn't autocompleting for me.01:07
nigelbCommand not found.01:08
mwhudsonnigelb: what isn't ?01:20
mwhudsonoh, lp-propose01:21
* mwhudson shouldn't be relied on for lp dev advice really any more :)01:21
nigelbheh01:21
nigelbI'll just wait for everyone to wake up after their long week.01:21
rick_h__nigelb: for me the ones that autocomplete are lp-propose-merge lp-propose and lp-submit01:22
rick_h__but I've not setup a MP from the cmd line01:22
nigelbrick_h__: lp-propose works? can you do a which lp-propose and tell me where the binary is?01:22
rick_h__nigelb: it's part of a bzr command01:23
rick_h__bzr lp-propose01:23
rick_h__is where I was completing it from01:23
nigelbah01:23
nigelbrick_h__: Thanks! Its been a while since I did LP work and I forgot how to do it :)01:24
rick_h__nigelb: np01:26
jelmermwhudson: I'd like to use the feature flags XML/RPC server in codehosting, but I'm not entirely sure where to start. Any recommendations on where to look for inspiration?01:30
mwhudsonjelmer: from a bzr serve process or the ssh server?01:31
jelmermwhudson: from the ssh server01:31
mwhudsonit's all reasonable simple i hope -- sp = ServerProxy(config.whatever); sp.getFeatureFlag('codehosting.feature')01:31
mwhudsont.w.Proxy & callRemote then?01:32
mwhudsonjelmer: ff for the forking process?01:32
jelmermwhudson: yeah, forking process and git support01:32
mwhudsonah right01:32
mwhudsoni guess i'd stuff that in during authentication01:32
jelmermwhudson: whoa, that seems a lot simpler than I was going for01:32
jelmermwhudson: during, rather than after ?01:33
mwhudsonjelmer: i'm sorry i didn't make it more complicated :)01:33
mwhudsonjelmer: mm don't know i guess01:33
jelmermwhudson: np, thanks for the hints. I think this should be sufficient to get me started01:35
mwhudsonjelmer: i guess it depends a bit on the appropriate api where you want to make the decision supporting having a deferred returned01:36
nigelbI wonder if anyone out in the east is working today07:18
lifeless'today'07:18
nigelbheh07:18
nigelblifeless: I *think* I fixed the url bug. I created 2 new methods for it. Would that work?07:20
nigelb(one for logo and one for mugshot)07:21
lifelessI saw the patch, haven't read it yet.07:29
lifelesswill talk later07:29
jtvmorning folks08:02
nigelbHey jtv! "Morning" :)08:03
jtvHi!  I'm in Europe, so a bit weird with timezones.08:03
nigelbOh!08:04
nigelbI thought you'd be home. Indeed, I was confused.08:04
jtvNot your fault, of course.08:06
* SpamapS is in the US, but still pretty much on EU timezones. :)08:06
nigelbAre you in the gang that's in Vienna?08:07
jtvNo08:08
jtvSpamapS: enjoy the spontaneous early mornings while you can!08:10
nigelbUnless you're the west coast and up at 2 am :P08:11
nigelbcorrection, 12 am.08:12
SpamapSjtv: I slept from 01:00 - 06:00, then again from 09:30 - 14:00 .. now its 00:14 and I'm wide awake. :-P08:14
jtvHmm maybe not so convenient then.08:14
nigelbMorning rvba. Up for reviewing today? :)08:15
SpamapSespecially confusing since "today" is supposed to be a holiday... but I came away from the rally with more TODO's than I went into it with... ;)08:15
nigelbhaha08:15
nigelbthat happens to me at UDSes ;-)08:15
nigelbEven when I'm not actaully there.08:15
* SpamapS cannot complain though, it was 19C today in LA ... :)08:15
nigelbI'm guessing Budapest was really cold :D08:16
SpamapS1C - 5C for the duration.. not awful.. but not warm.08:17
nigelbUDS was pleasant 20s except for the Sunday before.08:18
SpamapSThe hotel's covered courtyards make it hardly matter.. was possible to get "sun" without leaving.08:18
nigelbHeh08:18
nigelbI'm glad we were lucky to be there in the summer.08:18
rvbaHey nigelb, sure.08:19
nigelbhttps://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/launchpad/logo-links-71387308:19
rvbaI'll have a look.08:19
nigelbI'm also curious to know what I can test here.08:20
rvbanigelb: I've got an urgent matter to sort out right now but I'll take a look at your branch right after I've sorted it.08:28
rvba:)08:28
nigelbrvba: no worries, take your time :)08:32
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danhgmorning everyone08:56
rvbaMorning frankban, danhg.08:56
danhgDid you get home OK guys?08:57
frankbanmorning08:58
rvbaFlight ok, crappy plane ;).08:59
danhgWho did you fly with?09:00
danhgI slept all the way on mine :)09:00
rvbaMalev09:01
danhgah, OK09:01
rvbaDid you have a direct flight?09:01
StevenKLast I heard, wgrant was still en-route.09:01
rvbaDamn!09:02
danhgI wouldn't be surprised09:02
StevenK17 hour delay in LHR for him09:02
danhgah no09:02
danhgnightmare09:02
rvbaStevenK: looks like the French lesson paid off, you're using French expressions now ;)09:02
nigelbYeah, poolie's gang stole their flight apparently.09:03
nigelbStevenK: wallyworld as well.09:03
StevenKThat was poolie and me09:03
nigelbAha. Right.09:03
nigelbThey got a hotel room, dinner, breakfast, and money for calls.09:03
StevenKSo QF32 is an A380, and as we boared the pilot said that someone has hit an engine with a baggage cart09:03
StevenKSo poolie and I got delayed by 5 hours due to that.09:04
danhg'hit an engine with a baggage cart' - thats a new one09:04
nigelbYou guys got the next A380 and they had to wait for a new one I guess?09:04
StevenKWe "borrowed" another A380, which was for QF10 -- so wgrant and his gang got delayed 13 hours (as well as the original 5 hour layover)09:04
bigjoolsI used to think LHR could not get worse but they continue to prove me wrong09:05
nigelbdanhg: That was my first thought as well.09:05
StevenKWe flew into Singapore at midday local time, at which point we couldn't leave due to the curfew at Sydney.09:05
danhgWas your train OK bigjools?09:05
StevenKSo I had seven hours in Singapore09:05
nigelbStevenK: curfew?09:05
nigelboh, at Sydney.09:06
bigjoolsdanhg: yup09:06
danhgWhat's the curfew?09:06
StevenKnigelb: Planes can not land or take off in Sydney between 11pm and 6am09:06
nigelbbigjools: Wait, you took a train from Budapest?09:06
nigelbStevenK: what!?!?!09:06
danhgWoah09:06
bigjoolsnigelb: !  no, from the airport to my house09:06
nigelbbigjools: I'd have been extra jealous if that was the case :P09:06
bigjoolsLHR has the same curfew09:06
nigelbThat's an interesting curfew.09:06
danhgHaven't heard of these before09:07
nigelbIs it because its in a residential area?09:07
bigjoolsyes09:07
StevenKSo my original arrival date was 15/1 8:30pm. I landed it Sydney at 16/1 6:20am09:07
danhgDid you have a productive day? lol09:07
nigelbThat explains that. Bangalore airport is 40 km away from "Bangalore".09:07
adeuringgood morning09:07
StevenKdanhg: I don't know, what day is it?09:07
nigelbheh09:08
StevenKIt took me 40 hours to get from the hotel in Budapest to my house.09:08
StevenKwgrant is likely pushing 5009:08
danhgTuesday, 4th March09:08
StevenKRAOF may well hit 60.09:08
danhgMaybe we could covert travel hours into karma points09:08
danhgconvert^09:08
nigelblol09:08
StevenKdanhg: Every Australian at the sprint gave up two full weekends to travel.09:09
StevenKnigelb: pitti had to catch one train to get home from Budapest.09:11
StevenKnigelb: Mind you, it took eight hours.09:11
danhgMorning mrevell09:12
mrevellHey morning09:12
danhgWe're comparing delay nightmares :)09:12
* bigjools starts upgrade to precise on desktop machine09:13
mrevelldanhg, Oh? Not a good journey home?09:13
nigelbStevenK: Hey I love trains. The longer the better.09:13
danhgNo mine was fine, apart from a huge taxi due to the tubes being screwed. The Aussies seem to have had a bit of a nightmare tho09:13
nigelbStevenK: 8 hours on a train sounds better than 50 hours in airports + flights anyway09:13
danhgWhere was your train to?09:14
StevenKmrevell: Some numpty at LHR drove a baggage cart into an A380 engine.09:14
nigelbForver, this sprint will be remembered as the one where "someone drove a baggage cart into an A380".09:14
StevenKmrevell: Caused 13 hours of delays for poolie and I, and about 22 for wgrant and cohorts.09:14
bigjools"You have to download a total of 1402 M."09:15
mrevellStevenK, Blimey. A380 engines seem to be a bit of a problem. That's awful. 22 hours!09:15
StevenKmrevell: It took me 40 hours of travelling from the hotel to my place -- with about 4 hours sleep.09:15
StevenKI'm not even sure if wgrant is even home yet.09:15
nigelbYou guys should just move all LP meetings to Singapore :P09:16
mrevellStevenK, In which case, get off IRC and get to bed :)09:16
StevenKmrevell: No, I need to push through and get to bed at a normalish time09:16
StevenKOtherwise I'm just screwed jetlag wise09:17
nigelbthat must suck.09:17
nigelbthe whole "stay up till its dark so you don't screw your sleep cycle" bit.09:17
StevenKWelcome to living in Australia.09:17
StevenKbigjools, are you taking notes?09:18
nigelbhaha09:18
nigelbwait, bigjools is moving?09:18
* bigjools is09:18
nigelbwow09:18
nigelbCanonical office in Australia soon? ;)09:19
mrevellDoes anyone know how badly huwshimi was affected by the delay?09:19
StevenKI think he's with wgrant09:20
nigelbI know wallyworld is with wgrant09:20
StevenKSo after they get to Melbourne, there is another flight to Hobart09:20
StevenKmrevell: Worse than I was, I'd wager.09:21
mrevellLord, that's crazy.09:23
nigelbReason #1343 why you shouldn't live in Australia :P09:24
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wgrantEvening.10:05
wgrantwallyworld transferred to a flight to Brisbane.10:05
wgrantRAOF was not so lucky.10:05
wgrantBut I am home.10:05
wgrantAfter 48 hours.10:05
StevenKwgrant: Ouch10:06
sorenSo you guys left Budapest (presumably) on Saturday morning-ish and got home Monday evening?10:14
wgrantsoren: Yeah10:15
wgrantLeft the hotel at 10:30am10:15
sorenGood grief.10:15
stubWho got stuck in transit?10:16
wgrantstub: RAOF is stuck in Melbourne for the night.10:16
wgrantAs he missed the last Hobart flight.10:16
wgrantBut everyone else is on their final flight, AFAIK.10:16
sorenHow much of those 48 hours were you airborne?10:16
wgrantsoren: 2310:16
sorenGood grief.10:16
stubMy record for delays is only 8 hours IIRC. They finally gave up trying to fix the plane, shuffled us to a hotel, and woke us all up 1 hour later. Cheap idiots.10:18
nigelbwgrant: Ah, you got home!10:19
sorenThese are completely regular planes, right? Coach is as dreadful as on any other plane? For 23 hours?10:19
wgrantsoren: Well.10:20
* soren gets back aches just thinking about it.10:20
wgrantYes10:20
wgrantBut I got randomly upgraded to Business for the last 8 hour leg.10:20
soren\o/10:20
wgrantWhich was very nice.10:20
nigelbwgrant: Where in Australia are you? Sydney?10:21
wgrantMelbourne.10:21
nigelbaha10:21
wgrantIt's the Sydney bastards that stole our plane :)10:21
nigelbhaha10:21
nigelbwgrant: when did you get home? Just now?10:27
wgrantnigelb: 40 minutes ago10:33
nigelbwow.10:35
danhgYou must have aged 10 years on such a journey.10:37
danhgYou must look 25 or something.10:38
wgrantHeh10:38
danhg:)10:38
nigelbWait, so he looks 15 "normally"? :P10:40
danhgDon't get too excited Nigel10:41
jtvWhat was the key combination for getting at my system menu again?  I need to reboot to get my mouse pointer back but now the regular <alt>-<shortcut> menu access stopped working.11:21
jtvOh well, there's always the text console.11:22
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* cjwatson wonders if anyone has done initial assessments of the dependency tree for porting Launchpad to Python 316:43
bigjoolsI can guess who *might* have done that16:44
jelmercjwatson: I'm not sure if that's really worth the effort just yet, until zope has been ported16:44
rick_h__yea, I'm curious. But if you look at the py3 wall of shame you see a ton of zope stuff on there16:45
rick_h__though I agree with Chris and others that the wall of shame kind of sucks16:45
cjwatsonno immediate need or anything, just curious whether it might inform our priorities for providing ports in Ubuntu16:50
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frankbanhi everybody, can anyone figure out what happened here? https://pastebin.canonical.com/58178/ Something went wrong while applying db patches in qastaging, the same patches are correctly applied in devel.17:35
jtvfrankban: that sounds bad… you may want to ask stub tomorrow.17:42
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frankbanjtv-afk: thanks17:47
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lifelessis there a bug about the bugcolumns showing 'tags: None' when there are no tags on a bug ?20:46
abentleylifeless: I believe there was.21:06
lifelesscool21:07
abentleylifeless: bug 89473421:08
_mup_Bug #894734: "Assignee: None" and "Tags: None" clutter bug listings <bug-columns> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/894734 >21:08
lifelessabentley: thanks21:08
abentleyjames_w: Any idea about this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/914634 note it says 'cStringIO.StringI'!21:39
_mup_Bug #914634: AttributeError: 'cStringIO.StringI' object has no attribute 'split' in parse_changelog <Launchpad itself:Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/914634 >21:39
james_wabentley, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/91550521:40
_mup_Bug #915505: bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AttributeError: 'cStringIO.StringI' object has no attribute 'split' <Launchpad Auto Build System:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/915505 >21:40
james_wjelmer is the knower of all things21:41
abentleyjames_w: thanks.21:42
lifelessanyone noticed that saving tags now requires 2-3 presses of the tick ?21:46
lifelessflacoste: wlecome back :)21:47
lifelessflacoste: want to catch up?21:47
flacostelifeless: unless there is anything urgent, i'd postpone to tomorrow21:47
flacostetrying to finish setting up work items for this Maas project21:48
lifelesssure thing21:48
jelmerabentley, james_w: we're still waiting for python-debian to be updated on the builders21:48
lifelessuds was the only thing I have as a needs-disucssio21:48
flacosteright21:48
lifelessthat and21:48
lifelessI plan to sweep into RT after I wrap up bugs21:48
abentleyjelmer: how big is the impact?21:49
lifelessany objection / themes you'd like me to honour ?21:49
jelmerabentley: it only impacts version 0.4 recipes (which have never worked - because they require this new python-debian version)21:51
flacostelifeless: no objections, theme: the old "making sure staging is up to what we need" might be useful to re-assess21:51
lifelessflacoste: will do21:52
lifelessabentley: I've generated a new oops for bug 908886 for you21:52
abentleyjelmer: Okay, I'm gonna mark it "high" rather than "critical", then.21:52
_mup_Bug #908886: OOPS on loading bug page <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/908886 >21:52
abentleylifeless: Oh, you shouldn't have :-)21:53
lifelessabentley: :) least I could do :P21:53
abentleylifeless: I did not get an oops with the link given, so it must be a borderline timeout.21:54
lifelessabentley: it may be group related21:55
lifelessabentley: I'm in Ubuntu bugcontrol, you are not.21:55
lifelessabentley: which means I can do nominations.21:55
abentleylifeless: could be.21:55
lifelessabentley: I had a brief nosy round the oops; data is in the bug if you are looking into it. If not, it is there for the next person.22:05
abentleylifeless: I was just triaging.22:05
lifelessabentley: no worries then :)22:06
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StevenKwallyworld: You got home okay?22:37
StevenKlifeless: Did you get any delays/knock-on effects from the fun that at least wgrant and I endured?22:38
wallyworldStevenK: finally. took around 50 hours door-door22:46
wallyworldStevenK: i think your plane was the one that got hit?22:47
StevenKwallyworld: Yes, QF32's A380 was the one that got hit with the baggage cart.22:48
jelmerabentley: any chance you can mark bzr-pipeline as supporting bzr 2.5? The test suite seems to work fine with 2.5b5 (the last beta for 2.5)22:48
wallyworldStevenK:  so why did "our" plane get repurposed :-(22:48
wallyworldStevenK: how long did your final journey take? i think you were delayed about 5 hours in london?22:49
StevenKwallyworld: I'm not sure -- QF32's staff said they were sourcing a "spare" A380. I don't think it was spare so much as waiting ...22:50
wallyworld.... for "ours" to arrive from melbourne22:50
StevenKwallyworld: 40 hours door-to-door. I was delayed by 5 hours in London and 7 in Singapore.22:50
wallyworld7 in singapore? why?22:51
wallyworlddid they look after you?22:51
StevenKCurfew in Sydney22:51
wallyworldah, how stupid is that22:51
StevenKAnd yeah, they farmed us out to a hotel in the CBD22:51
wallyworldno european airport has a curfew i don't think22:51
StevenKLHR does, according to Julian22:52
wallyworldwell, they are stupid too22:52
StevenKwallyworld: So Sydney airport is surrounded by residental development.22:52
StevenKWell, on three sides.22:52
StevenKThe other side is water22:52
wallyworldand people who buy next to airports know there will be noise22:53
StevenKwallyworld: Right, but the noise carries a fair way -- how long distance wise do you think a plane takes to climb and descend?22:54
wallyworlda long way, but for most of it it is relatively high and only in a narrow corridor22:54
wallyworldcurfews are not too evil unless one is delayed 7 hours by one :-)22:55
StevenKwallyworld: Keep in mind the corridor can only really support one, maybe two planes.22:57
StevenKAnd Sydney has 3 runways, so you're looking at six, possibly seven corridors22:57
wallyworldyeah, i was trolling somewhat. lack of sleep makes me mean22:57
wallyworldhave only been home 10 hours22:58
StevenKwallyworld: I was Zombie Steve yesterday22:58
wallyworlddid you find any yummy brains to suck22:58
StevenKNope22:58
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StevenKwallyworld: BAH23:03
StevenKwallyworld: You took the last card on the board23:03
lifelessStevenK: no, different carrier :P23:04
StevenKlifeless: Air NZ?23:05
lifelessyep23:05
StevenKBut still via LHR and SIN?23:05
lifelessHK23:05
lifelessLHR->HK->AKL->CHC23:06
StevenKOh, wow23:06
lifelessI walked in the door at 1530 yesterday23:06
StevenKwallyworld, lifeless: Announcement on BA865 from Budapest to London: "We'd like to offer all of you duty free for purchase. However, the cabinet is locked. So if any one of you has a pair of bolt-cutters with them, we'd first like to congratulate you on getting them through security, and if you could please make them available to us."23:20
wallyworldStevenK: surely you jest?23:20
StevenKwallyworld: It's what they said. The entire plane laughed.23:21
wallyworldat least they have a sense of humour23:22
wallyworldsecurity in budapest is pretty lax though23:22
lifelessStevenK: wicked23:24
lifelessStevenK: I was on 869 I think, they didn't say that :P23:24

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