[08:29] <bkerensa> !netcat | bkerensa
[08:40] <AlecTaylor> hi
[08:50] <bkerensa> hi
[08:51] <AlecTaylor> Is there a neat open-source solution like eventbrite or meetup.com?
[09:18]  * AlecTaylor opened up the discussion over whether I should open-source my SaaS: http://openclosedsource.wikia.com
[10:30] <AlecTaylor> Will open-sourcing my SaaS solution adversely affect my revenue? - Contribute to Discussion and Notes: http://openclosedsource.wikia.com / http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/130341
[10:47] <brendand> AlecTaylor - this isn't really the place for such a topic
[14:01] <micahg> !dmb-ping
[14:01] <tumbleweed> o/
[14:02] <Laney> hi thar
[14:02]  * stgraber waves
[14:04] <tumbleweed> aw, no applicants
[14:05] <Laney> REJECT THEM ALL
[14:05] <stgraber> wow, has been a while since we had that situation :)
[14:05] <micahg> am I next on the rotation for chair?
[14:05] <Laney> no meeting, no chair :P
[14:05] <micahg> well, we do have business :)
[14:06] <stgraber> can we drop Sylvestre Ledru from the agenda? I think he's been on there for almost a year (if not more ;))
[14:07] <tumbleweed> micahg: i suspect so
[14:07] <Laney> sure
[14:07] <micahg> ok, let's get started
[14:07] <micahg> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[14:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan 16 14:07:32 2012 UTC.  The chair is micahg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[14:07] <micahg> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:08] <micahg> #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone
[14:08] <micahg> do we know if that was done?
[14:08] <Laney> i think he said he was going to send it before this meeting, and I haven't seen anything
[14:09] <Laney> so ...
[14:09] <micahg> ok, carried fwd
[14:09] <micahg> #subtopic bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing
[14:09] <micahg> this was done
[14:09] <micahg> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-January/001161.html
[14:09] <micahg> #topic Review any packageset descriptions that have been received (micahg)
[14:10] <micahg> oops, I meant to do that under previous actions
[14:10] <micahg> I'll have this ready for the next meeting
[14:10] <micahg> #topic Expiring members terms
[14:11] <micahg> #topic DMB members terms expiring
[14:11] <micahg> that's a little less grim :-/
[14:11] <micahg> #info laney and geser's terms for the DMB are ending 2012-02-13
[14:11] <Laney> what is the if-extended expiration date? :-)
[14:11] <Laney> +1y?
[14:12] <micahg> yes
[14:12] <tumbleweed> err, surely we're electing for 2 years?
[14:13] <micahg> so, as the initial date was an error, we can ask the TB to extend the term 1yr as we did for the rest of the members from that election if desired
[14:13] <micahg> otherwise, as we're 1 month out, we'd need to call for nominations for 2 weeks and then have the election
[14:14] <Laney> geser's too?
[14:14] <micahg> Laney: yes, both of you
[14:14] <Laney> yeah they both were
[14:14] <Laney> well I'm happy to be extended, I've decided
[14:14] <micahg> geser: what about you?
[14:14] <Laney> my initial request not to be came around the 'difficult time' :P
[14:15] <geser> I won't extend, so my seat gets free
[14:15] <micahg> #action micahg to E-Mail TB to extend Laney's term 1yr (as the initial date was an error)
[14:15] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to E-Mail TB to extend Laney's term 1yr (as the initial date was an error)
[14:16] <micahg> Laney: would you be up for running this election?
[14:16] <Laney> I did the last one ...
[14:16] <geser> I've been on MC and DMB for almost 4 years, so I need to take a break (besides I'm missing time to do it properly)
[14:16] <micahg> ok, then, any volunteers?
[14:17]  * tumbleweed supposes he can
[14:17] <Laney> good man
[14:17] <tumbleweed> still have scripts?
[14:17] <micahg> #action tumbleweed to run the election to fill geser's seat
[14:17] <meetingology> ACTION: tumbleweed to run the election to fill geser's seat
[14:17] <Laney> scripts for what?
[14:17] <tumbleweed> the vote e-mail address collection
[14:18] <micahg> #action tumbleweed to send mail requesting nominations for the open DMB seat
[14:18] <meetingology> ACTION: tumbleweed to send mail requesting nominations for the open DMB seat
[14:18] <geser> the only needed script is to collect the e-mail addresses from LP for CIVS
[14:18] <tumbleweed> yes
[14:18] <micahg> yes, but that's part 2, first comes the call for nominees
[14:18] <tumbleweed> of course
[14:19] <micahg> #topic AOB
[14:19] <micahg> anyone?
[14:19] <Laney> nah, just iterated through launchpad.people['ubuntu-dev'].participants
[14:20] <tumbleweed> Laney: ok
[14:20] <micahg> going once
[14:20] <geser> Laney: this works recursively for sub-teams?
[14:20] <micahg> twice
[14:20] <micahg> #topic select chair for next meeting
[14:20] <Laney> yes
[14:21] <micahg> stgraber: looks like you're next
[14:21] <micahg> does that work?
[14:21] <stgraber> yep
[14:21] <tumbleweed> did geser do one this cycle?
[14:21] <micahg> #info stgraber to chair next meeting
[14:21] <micahg> tumbleweed: yes, first one in Dec IIRC
[14:22] <micahg> of course if he'd wish to do another one...
[14:22] <tumbleweed> heh
[14:22] <micahg> ok, thanks everyone
[14:23] <micahg> #endmeeting
[14:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 14:23:09 2012 UTC.
[14:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-16-14.07.moin.txt
[14:23] <tumbleweed> well, I suppose I'll call for nominations for one seat (assuming the tb extend laney's seat, otherwise, he can nominate himself)
[14:23] <Laney> maybe stgraber can just extend the membership
[14:23] <micahg> yes, that would work :)
[14:23] <micahg> stgraber: can you do that or should I make an official request?
[14:23] <tumbleweed> not that this helps our harmonisation
[14:23] <micahg> or both
[14:24] <tumbleweed> but people will always retire at unusal times...
[14:24] <stgraber> micahg: I think it'd be best to have an official request to the TB. I'm happy to do it then though :)
[14:24] <micahg> stgraber: alright, thanks
[14:24] <Laney> I'll be the same as cody, emmet and stéphane then
[14:24] <micahg> and I concur
[14:24] <Laney> very harmonious
[14:24] <micahg> yes, we can still end up with one election per year which works out fine
[14:25] <tumbleweed> true
[14:25] <micahg> ok, I have to run, I'll send out the meeting notes tonight
[14:26] <Laney> perhaps, when you remove Sylvester, you could email him asking to resubmit the application at any time (with more positive endorsements)
[14:26] <Laney> Sylvestre
[14:27] <micahg> ok, can do
[14:29] <Laney> grand
[14:37]  * tumbleweed cribs from Laney's last call for nominations mail
[14:37] <Laney> smashing idea
[14:38]  * tumbleweed also asks for people to amke their addresses publiclly visible
[15:12] <geser> micahg: having one election every year (and (re-)electing half the team) guarantees at least some expierenced members in the team (instead of a completely new team in worst case)
[15:59] <ara> hello!
[16:00] <roadmr> howdy!
[16:00] <roadmr> so it's... 16:00 UTC!
[16:00] <roadmr> that means it's Ubuntu Friendly time!
[16:00] <jedimike> heyhey!
[16:01] <roadmr> jedimike: glad you're here, today's topic will require your input :)
[16:01] <roadmr> #startmeeting Ubuntu Friendly meeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan 16 16:01:14 2012 UTC.  The chair is roadmr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:01] <roadmr> Hi everyone, welcome to the Ubuntu Friendly meeting!
[16:01] <roadmr> Today we have the following topics to talk about:
[16:01] <roadmr> * Link to feedback in answers.launchpad.net from a system's UF page - roadmr
[16:01] <roadmr> * Any Other Business
[16:02] <roadmr> As usual, you're quite welcome to participate, to do so, indicate you want to speak by raising your hand (o/). Don't forget to also signal when you're done using ..
[16:02] <roadmr> Let's get started with the agenda!
[16:02] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Link to feedback in answers.launchpad.net from a system's UF page - roadmr
[16:03] <roadmr> The other day a user in #ubuntu-testing was inquiring about his laptop. He had to do several tweaks to get it working, and then submitted results to Ubuntu Friendly.
[16:03] <roadmr> He asked me what would be a good place to document those tweaks. I pointed him to the "feedback" link in a system's page.
[16:03] <roadmr> He then asked me if that feedback (in answers.launchpad.net) is visible, or at least accessible in a system's UF page.
[16:03] <roadmr> The answer seems to be "no", which was disappointing to him because then all his effort testing and documenting his tweaks will be much less "discoverable" and doesn't benefit the community all that much.
[16:04] <roadmr> So the question here is, would establishing such a link, or ideally making the answers.launchpad.net feedback visible directly in a system's UF page, be worth the effort? and on that topic, what would be the effort involved?
[16:04] <roadmr> ..
[16:04] <ara> o/
[16:04] <roadmr> ara, your turn (heh)
[16:04] <ara> The first thing that we would need to solve, is a way to "link" a particular answer with a cid
[16:04] <ara> does answers have tags?
[16:05] <ara> ..
[16:05] <ara> o/
[16:05] <roadmr> ara: heheh, go :) (btw I see no tags in answers.launchpad.net)
[16:05] <ara> or maybe create a related FAQ per system, but that seems a lot of work
[16:06] <ara> ..
[16:06] <jedimike> o/
[16:06] <roadmr> jedimike: go ahead!
[16:07] <jedimike> it's really difficult to get back any answers posts for an ubuntu friendly system, because the only info we pass to answers is the make/model of the system to pre-populate the title field
[16:07] <jedimike> the end user can change this in any way they like
[16:07] <jedimike> Launchpad is down at the moment so I can't see if there is a tagging system, I've not seen one before though
[16:07] <jedimike> even with tagging, we'd have to let UF know which tags were relevant for each system
[16:07] <jedimike> the other way to do it might be...
[16:07] <cr3> o/
[16:08] <jedimike> if we see a good answers post, we could manually link it to the UF system on the UF side
[16:08] <jedimike> ...
[16:08] <roadmr> cr3, your turn
[16:09] <cr3> two potential solutions to linking answers:
[16:09] <cr3> 1. pseudo tag in one of the answers, like: #UF: make/model
[16:09] <cr3> 2. link to bug which has a tag
[16:09] <cr3> ..
[16:10] <cr3> o/
[16:10] <roadmr> cr3: go, hehe
[16:11] <cr3> I'd be more inclined to have the linking user interaction on the launchpad side than on the UF side so that the latter can remain without user interaction
[16:11] <cr3> ..
[16:11] <jedimike> o/
[16:11] <roadmr> hmm the tag-answer sounds interesting
[16:11] <roadmr> jedimike, go ahead
[16:12] <jedimike> i agree with cr3, if we can do the linking on the launchpad side, we should
[16:12] <jedimike> ...
[16:12] <brendand> o/
[16:12] <roadmr> brendand: go ahead :)
[16:13] <brendand> the answers are created from UF itself? if so, can UF be fed back the id of the answer?
[16:13] <brendand> ..
[16:14] <cr3> o/
[16:14] <roadmr> cr3, go
[16:14] <cr3> it could be possible to have the question created from UF phrased in such a way that it could be folded back into UF
[16:15] <cr3> ..
[16:15] <roadmr> ^^ this may work but what if the user changes the phrasing?
[16:15] <roadmr> is there any API access to answers.launchpad.net?
[16:17] <jedimike> o/
[16:17] <roadmr> jedimike: go ahead!
[16:17] <cr3> roadmr: I don't think we can get the identifier of the answer back from redirecting to a launchpad answer, unless we have a question form on UF itself which creates the entry on behalf of the user. this becomes complicated if we want to have the answer linked to the launchpad user
[16:17] <jedimike> if we rely on the phrasing of the question, and the user changes it, we'd lose the link
[16:17] <jedimike> ..
[16:18] <cr3> perhaps worth raising on launchpad-dev mailing list
[16:18] <roadmr> maybe so!
[16:18] <roadmr> it seems complicated!
[16:20]  * roadmr thinks everybody is thinking :)
[16:20] <roadmr> how about using something other than answers.launchpad.net for the feedback?
[16:20] <cr3> roadmr: probably complicated enough not to be solved here :)
[16:21] <cr3> roadmr: could someone take an action item to raise with launchpad-dev?
[16:22]  * cr3 should be slapped around for talking without raising hand
[16:22] <roadmr> cr3: that'd be great! I think either you or jedimike know those folks best, would you like to volunteer?
[16:22] <cr3> roadmr: sure, cc jedimike
[16:23] <roadmr> [ACTION] cr3 to inquire in lauchpad-dev about API access to answers.launchpad.net
[16:23] <meetingology> ACTION: cr3 to inquire in lauchpad-dev about API access to answers.launchpad.net
[16:24] <roadmr> anything else we can do on this topic?
[16:24]  * jedimike doesn't think so
[16:25] <roadmr> hmm OK, let's see what launchpad-dev thinks and go from there.
[16:25] <roadmr> To be fair, we've only received one request for this functionality, so we may defer work on it until there's a big demand for it
[16:26] <roadmr> but it sounds sensible to at least have an idea on how to proceed - and also, it seems like such an obvious feature we should have
[16:26] <roadmr> anyway, moving on
[16:26] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[16:26] <ara> o/
[16:26] <roadmr> ara: go ahead!
[16:27] <ara> Canonical's community team has a new member, responsible for the QA community
[16:27] <ara> I guess we should reach him to count on friendly
[16:27] <ara> (and maybe take care of the community part of it...)
[16:27] <ara> Nicholas I think is his name
[16:27] <ara> ..
[16:27] <ara> dholbach, ^
[16:28] <roadmr> ara: so should one of us contact him and let him know about UF?
[16:28] <ara> I think so, what do you guys think?
[16:29]  * roadmr thinks it's OK if it extends our reach into the community
[16:29] <roadmr> Ubuntu Friendly has been a bit quiet lately
[16:30] <dholbach> ara: it's Nicholas Skaggs, balloons is his nick name
[16:30] <ara> cool, I can take the action item
[16:30] <roadmr> [ACTION] Ara to contact Nicholas Skaggs (balloons) to introduce the Ubuntu Friendly community
[16:30] <meetingology> ACTION: Ara to contact Nicholas Skaggs (balloons) to introduce the Ubuntu Friendly community
[16:31] <roadmr> awesome!
[16:31] <roadmr> Anything else on this topic?
[16:32] <roadmr> nothing.. Any other topics/ business to discuss?
[16:32] <roadmr> any takers? :)
[16:33] <roadmr> Well then...
[16:34] <roadmr> let's end this meeting!
[16:34] <roadmr> Well I guess this wraps things up for today. Thanks for attending! Remember the mailing list is open to all your UF-related comments and inquiries.
[16:34] <ara> thanks roadmr!
[16:34] <roadmr> Thanks all for attending and for your comments and feedback! Have a great day!
[16:34] <roadmr> #endmeeting
[16:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 16:34:32 2012 UTC.
[16:34] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-16-16.01.moin.txt