[07:25] <popey> Morning all
[08:01] <AlanBell> morning
[08:02] <buzz_> morning
[08:02] <buzz_> <3 netcat
[08:04] <awilkins> The topic still says Happy 12th January...
[08:04] <buzz_> was struggling to backup some large amounts of data from my old amiga. seems my nfs client no longer works with linux, and samba was slow as hell. tar | to netcat and im getting a blistering 400Kb/second ;-)
[08:04] <buzz_> (blistering for the amiga)
[08:05] <awilkins> Yeah, SMB has a lot of overhead for individual files, I think
[08:06] <awilkins> Making a no-compression zip file on the server is a time honoured Windows trick
[08:12] <Hippychick> Morning all
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all. Happy Monday :-D
[08:17] <awilkins> /me grunts semi-coherently and gathers his blankets closer.
[08:20] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:21] <DJones> Morning all
[08:22] <Hippychick> It is a happy Monday... I finally have my new phone \o/
[08:22] <awilkins> I need hot sweet coffee with gingerbead syrup
[08:22] <awilkins> Alas, I left the syrup at home. And the train has no hot water. Or coffee. Or hot.
[08:23] <awilkins> New phone model?
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hippychick: What phone you got?
[08:29] <Hippychick> Its the galaxy nexus
[08:30] <daubers> Morning
[08:31] <DJones> Ah...Steaming hot, black coffee
[08:39] <_serial_> loves coffee, shame starbucks dont do it hot enough
[08:40] <daubers> Trying to give up coffee (or at least reduce my consumption drastically)
[08:40] <DJones> I don't know why, I never like Starbucks or Costa (other coffee house providers are available) coffee, there's just something that doesn't appeal to me
[08:42] <daubers> DJones: There's a place in Reading called the Workhouse Coffee Shop, best coffee I've ever tasted, and HUGE sausage rolls :)
[08:43] <DJones> daubers: Handy if you're in Reading, bit far for them to deliver though
[08:43] <DJones> I like this coffee http://www.taylorscoffee.co.uk/products/lifestyle-coffee/hot-lava-java.asp
[08:46] <AlanBell> DJones: I have a bag of that I will be opening shortly
[08:46] <DJones> It has that nice early morning kick :)
[08:49] <christel> GOOD MORNING PRETTIES
[08:49] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: hey, how was dr phil? :)
[08:50] <DJones> christel: Its too cold and too early for that sort of greeting :)
[08:50] <christel> uh oh.. DJones, i think AlanBell is gearing up for an entirely different kind of morning kick :o
[08:50] <christel> oh phew!
[08:50] <christel> haha
[08:50] <christel> DJones: it is indeed rather cold today
[08:50] <AlanBell> I was wondering what to replace "Happy 12th of January \o/" with
[08:51] <DJones> christel: Must admit, that was my thought as well
[08:51] <christel> as for coffee, i am with you -- i'm not keen on costa or starbucks coffees, tho i am partial to a frappucino/frescato when it's summery and warm!
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> christel: Very funny. Enjoyed the evening.
[08:53] <christel> :D
[08:53] <christel> he is very funny on HIGNFY, and in private eye for that matter
[08:53] <DJones> christel: Are those coffee's milky? I only drink black coffee
[08:53] <smittix> Morning all.
[08:54] <christel> DJones: they're more milkshake than coffee
[08:54] <christel> (i tend to opt for the chocolate or vanilla ones)
[08:54] <MooDoo> morning folks
[08:54] <christel> coffee proper i take black and unsweetened
[08:54] <DJones> The best way :)
[08:54] <christel> indeed!
[08:54] <DJones> christel: Have you seen these on sale? http://www.sweetretailing.co.uk/index.php/new_sweets_chocolates/view/cadbury_creme_egg_splats
[08:55] <christel> oooh
[08:55] <christel> i have not!
[08:55] <DJones> Higher chocolate to filling ratio though
[08:55] <christel> *nod*
[08:56] <christel> i am now debating if i can make cadubury creme egg stuff my carb treat
[08:57] <christel> (i have been attempting to avoid carbs)
[09:00] <christel> they keep trying to find me mind
[09:09] <daubers> christel: Hide in the fridge, they'll never think of looking in there!
[09:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:09] <daubers> o/
[09:09] <christel> hahaha
[09:09] <christel> <3 daubers
[09:09] <christel> heey czajkowski!
[09:09] <czajkowski> love caramel egg
[09:10] <czajkowski> yummy stuff very goesy and sticky mind
[09:10] <czajkowski> *goey
[09:10] <Myrtti> moin
[09:11] <christel> Myrtti!
[09:11] <christel> gosh, two of my favourite girls at once, this is shaping up to be a good morning!
[09:11] <christel> oh dear, that sounded a bit creepy
[09:12] <MooDoo> christel: no it sounded a lot creepy :D
[09:12] <christel> haha
[09:12] <MooDoo> christel: especially seeing as the last comments from them were gooey and sticky
[09:12] <christel> hullu matthew
[09:12] <christel> MooDoo: lol
[09:13] <Myrtti>  I was going to say something... but never mind... ;-)
[09:13] <czajkowski> MooDoo: christel hello girls!
[09:13] <czajkowski> bah
[09:13] <czajkowski> Myrtti: christel hello girls
[09:13] <MooDoo> czajkowski: and a good morning to you to mr ;)
[09:14] <czajkowski> MooDoo: hey there
[09:19] <czajkowski> anyone need a car service http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/north-london/pit-start-garage/2706758
[09:46] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[09:47] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[10:08] <bigcalm> I run pear upgrade and then this split happens. Coincidence?
[10:25] <czajkowski> such an ordeal never restarting irssi again if I can help it, or until I sort my config file out
[10:25] <czajkowski> what a mess
[10:26] <MooDoo> ouch
[10:26] <gord> come to the dark and evil side of just using xchat because you can't be bothered with irssi anymore ;)
[10:27] <MooDoo> gord: doesn't help when you're ssh'd to a server :p
[10:28] <gord> rarely do i find myself in a state where i have ssh access somewhere but no gui ;)
[10:28] <MooDoo> gord: when i'm at work, and want to IRC i need to ssh home :)
[10:29] <gord> get a better job!
[10:29] <czajkowski> gord: no i love irssi + screen
[10:29] <czajkowski> would be lost without it
[10:29] <gord> bah! everyone will see the light one day ;)
[10:29] <MooDoo> gord: job is fine, don't need xchat :p
[10:29] <Laney> try smuxi!
[10:29] <czajkowski> plus each channel has it's own number so I know where folks are and in most cases I dont say the wrong thing in them
[10:30] <AlanBell> quassel and quassel core seem interesting, but are a bit KDEish I think
[10:30] <Laney> smuxi has the same concept as that
[10:31] <Laney> and is gtk
[10:31] <AlanBell> so you run the core on a server and connect to it with a gui so have all the scrollback and channels
[10:31] <AlanBell> !info smuxi
[10:31] <gord> i just use znc as my "core", it works with anything without being tied to any specific application
[10:31] <gord> been using it for a year or two now, very very happy with it
[10:31] <AlanBell> ah, a heap of mono dependencies
[10:32] <gord> even if i were using irssi, i'd use znc as the bouncer, so i get sensible scrollback and don't need to run inside of screen
[10:43] <oimon> “My primary phone is the iPhone,” Wozniak says. “I love the beauty of it. But I wish it did all the things my Android does, I really do.”
[10:43] <oimon> sounds like a sensible man
[10:55] <brucebanner> I'm looking for something like winsplit revolution for a 10.04 running in virtual machine.  Is there anything like it for Ubuntu (or Linux in general)?
[10:56] <gord> brucebanner, its generally not a great idea to ask for a replacement for windows program<x> in a linux based irc channel, chances are we have no idea what that program does ;) what do you actually want to do?
[10:56] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: upgraded PHP to 5.3 and my CakePHP 1.1 projects continue to work. Something must have changed in PHP 5.3 since I last tried
[10:57] <jutnux> Howdy ho
[10:59] <MooDoo> brucebanner: there is a compiz-fusion plugin called grid.
[11:00] <brucebanner> I can't use compiz --- the VM doesn't have 3d graphics
[11:00] <MooDoo> brucebanner: oooo have a look at this - http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/11360/my-attempt-to-bring-winsplit-revolution-to-linux/
[11:00] <oimon> brucebanner: is it mainly terminal windows you are gridding ?
[11:00] <MooDoo> brucebanner: or this http://soad1982.blogspot.com/2010/05/winsplit-revolution-like-on-any-window.html
[11:00] <MooDoo> oimon: terminator for that :D
[11:00] <oimon> exactamondo
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning biatch....er mate
[11:03]  * jutnux bans MooDoo
[11:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yeah there is a post on OMG!Ubuntu about some app you maybe interest in for your photography muppet boy ;)
[11:03] <MooDoo> jutnux: nah still here, ner ner ner ner ner
[11:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah read it, think i'll stick to windows :p
[11:04] <directhex> so it's a tiling window manager for windows?
[11:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: and have you noticed that popey is starring in the latest comparethesupermarket as epic Brian?
[11:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: no i've not lol
[11:14] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: I thought you wanted to upgrade to cake 2.0
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: http://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/videos/save-a-1000-pounds-with-moneysupermarket/0012874/
[11:14] <gord> i still don't think that looks like popey
[11:15] <davmor2> gord: it does honest AlanBell even said so and he'd know the amount they hang out
[11:15] <Myrtti> there is some resemblance, but I've seen gazillion and one better doppelgängers in different FLOSS events
[11:16] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: the drive to upgrade was that 1.1 wouldn't work in 5.3 (last time I tried it). But it worked over the weekend for some reason
[11:16] <Myrtti> and now I forgot what I was supposed to do
[11:16] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: ah ok
[11:16] <gord> hope it was fly to the uk and make me a cup of tea and bring biscuits, because i'm completely out
[11:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: week Thursday still happening and do we have numbers?
[11:17] <daubers> Myrtti: That was just popey, he's *everywhere*
[11:17] <Myrtti> daubers: he wasn't in Finland or Silicon Valley
[11:18] <davmor2> gord: you down on the 26th?
[11:19] <gord> should be
[11:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's four and I'm going to send out emails today or tomorrow
[11:20] <bigcalm> Good show
[11:20] <gord> won't the teeny tiny room get a bit crowded with more than 4? ;)
[11:20] <davmor2> gord: we can hog the cafe if it gets too many :)
[11:20] <bigcalm> More bodies will make it less chilly
[11:21]  * bigcalm ponders advancing the heating
[11:21] <bigcalm> Alternative is to turn on another computer in here
[11:24] <gord> i just make -j8 all day long, keeps my toes nice and toasty
[11:24] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:24] <awilkins> My combo of very small office + i7 + 2 monitors seems to help
[11:26] <davmor2> gord: if you are using your laptop I'm amazed it doesn't burn it's way through your desk ;)
[11:27] <oimon> davmor2: i see the resemblance
[11:27] <oimon> in that money advert
[11:52] <daubers> I love reading other peoples code
[11:52] <daubers> "Not sure why, but do this"
[11:54] <oimon> ewww
[11:55] <oimon> has anyone heard of yammer website?
[11:57] <MooDoo> oimon: social networking site?
[11:58] <oimon> seems to be. some eejit is recommending using it at work
[11:58] <MooDoo> isnt' that the one where you install it on your intranet?
[11:59] <davmor2> oimon: sound like a black country social media system :D
[11:59] <oimon> if a project manager is recommending it, i'm sure they've paid someone for it, and what they wanted all along was a wiki
[12:37] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone.
[12:37] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon
[12:37] <brobostigon> howdy MooDoo
[12:48] <matti> Hi brobostigon
[12:50] <brobostigon> hi matti
[12:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: smart a**e
[12:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: :D cheered me up
[12:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: good :) i'm all about cheering people up
[13:01] <christel> oh dear
[13:02] <christel> i do appreciate being able to order food online and have it delivered to my house.. however, i think i have managed to make an error which i never would manage to do in store
[13:02] <christel> i remember typing a "2" to change the quantity of spelt flour from 1 to 2
[13:03] <christel> the ocado man just brought me TWENTY kilos of flour
[13:03] <czajkowski> I love the ocado man
[13:03] <czajkowski> we're due our delivery tomorrow
[13:04] <DJones> But how much do you love 20kgs of spelt flour?
[13:11] <Myrtti> christel: sounds like CUPCAKE TIME!
[13:11] <czajkowski> ohhh
[13:11] <Myrtti> cupcakecupcakecupcakecupcake
[13:11] <czajkowski> http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/north-london/sugarshack/2694990
[13:12] <czajkowski> would be tempted to go if it was closer
[13:12] <Myrtti> CUPCAKE.... *drool*
[13:17] <czajkowski> Myrtti: how's things with you? where are you these days ?
[13:20] <Myrtti> things are as ok as they can be, the usual etc. Am in Finland again
[13:20] <czajkowski> nods
[13:25] <christel> Myrtti: indeed! sounds like A LOT of cupcake time
[13:26] <gord> 20kg of cupcake would be like... a house
[13:43]  * MooDoo punches davmor2 why have we not abused czajkowski lately?
[13:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: she is still a bit broken occasional prods is about it
[13:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah no excuse
[13:45] <jutnux> Howdy again.
[13:45]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski [gently]
[13:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm letting her fully recover so she can handle the onslaught of niggling
[13:49] <MooDoo> davmor2: looser, but ok thebn
[13:54] <MooDoo> i love getting texts, i've got sheldon cooper saying "bazinga" as the notification tone lol
[14:01] <gord> i used to have the it crowd "Message for me!" thing
[14:10] <MooDoo> lol
[14:12]  * brobostigon wants MooDoo's ringtone, please :)
[14:13] <MooDoo> brobostigon: it's in the android market place, just search for big bang theory and it's a sound board
[14:13] <brobostigon> MooDoo: thank you, :)
[14:20] <MooDoo> yw!
[14:25] <brobostigon> eeek, 8MB in total size, wow.
[14:27] <MooDoo> is it?  blimey
[14:27] <brobostigon> quite, yes.
[14:29] <gord> 200kb of application, 7.8mb of ads
[14:37] <MooDoo> eeeek
[14:49] <directhex> a sound board? using space for audio samples? WHODATHUNKIT?
[14:59] <tim_> hello
[15:02] <MooDoo> hello
[15:03] <tim_> i take it everyone is bussy at work
[15:10] <MooDoo> tim_: guess so
[15:11] <tim_> whats the point of having a where are we map with the locations?
[15:11] <MooDoo> no point.  just interesting and nice to know where other ubuntu users are in the country
[15:12] <tim_> oright well im on the map :)
[15:12] <chris101> Hello Tim
[15:12] <tim_> well hello chris
[15:12] <chris101> How are you today?
[15:12] <tim_> im right next to you =,=
[15:13] <chris101> Yea I know XD
[15:13] <tim_> then wth!
[15:13] <chris101> *shruggs*
[15:14] <MooDoo> ah college users having a jest :D
[15:14] <chris101> Indeed
[15:14] <chris101> pretty bored
[15:15] <chris101> 3 hours of Networking :D
[15:15] <MooDoo> yay lol
[15:15] <chris101> Windows networking :s
[15:16] <tim_> the worst type :/
[15:17] <chris101> Indeed
[15:17] <MooDoo> there is no place like 127.0.0.1
[15:18] <chris101> Indeed, fun :D
[15:18] <tim_> lol
[15:19] <tim_> MooDoo: you know if i can order a 12.04 disc in advance?
[15:24] <MooDoo> tim_: a release one?  then probably not, however you can get a daily release iso here -
[15:24] <MooDoo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:26] <DJones> You can't get discs direct from Ubuntu anymore, you have to contact your loco... In this case, probably alanbell is the best to speak to
[15:26] <DJones> !shipit
[15:26] <DJones> Although I think the loco disks are generally kept for events rather than giving out individually (I could be wrong on that though)
[15:27] <tim_> well i just emailed the guy
[15:28] <DJones> Looks like he timed out of the channel about 20 minutes ago, otherwise he'd probably let you know straight off
[15:28] <tim_> to bad you carnt buy single ubuntu disc from canonical every LTS release
[15:28] <daubers> DJones: Nope, They're for all and sundry
[15:29] <DJones> daubers: Right, I couldn't remember off the top of my head, I just remember a bit of discussion about postage costs etc
[15:31] <daubers> yeah, I think the system is you send him an SAE he sends it back with a CD
[15:32] <daubers> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ :)
[15:33] <DJones> That makes sense
[15:38] <tim_> all assignments uploaded and nothing to do
[15:39]  * daubers carries on figuring out OpenGL to get some awesome visualisations running
[15:39] <tim_> by the way anyone play urban terror?
[15:40] <gord> heh does anyone still play that?
[15:40] <gord> like at all
[15:40] <tim_> yeah
[15:40] <gord> neat
[15:41] <tim_> a version HD is coming out
[15:41] <tim_> itll put my graphics card to good use
[15:45] <tim_> my current urban terror client keeps going on to some kind of command line :/
[15:57] <riv182> Ares The-HopeBuster
[15:57] <riv182> 22:52
[15:57] <riv182> irc.indonesianbacktrack.or.id
[15:57] <bigcalm> Spam?
[15:57] <riv182> #Ares The-HopeBuster
[15:57] <riv182> 22:52
[15:57] <riv182> irc.indonesianbacktrack.or.id
[15:58] <bigcalm> Yes, spam
[15:58] <bigcalm> riv182: please don't spam here
[15:58] <davmor2> and back for at least a bit
[15:59] <riv182> soryy
[15:59] <riv182> okee
[16:22] <czajkowski> eh no alanbell
[16:22] <czajkowski> wtf
[16:24] <bigcalm> Yes, it's odd to be with out Mr Bell
[16:24] <czajkowski> very
[16:24] <czajkowski> send out a search party do not come back without him
[16:24]  * czajkowski peers at christel have you locked mr alanbell away in a pub ?
[16:25] <bigcalm> Check under the sofa
[16:33] <oimon> taken hostage by chickens
[16:36] <christel> he hasn't pubbed with me for ages :(
[16:41] <directhex> i sent him to reeducation camp
[16:41] <directhex> for his unacceptable views on mono
[16:50] <bigcalm> reduction camp?
[16:52] <oimon> unity dash is no longer possible to set to full-screen?
[16:53] <gord> yes it is
[16:54] <davmor2> oimon: top left click on the fullscreen button like you would for an app
[16:55] <oimon> ah yeah, it got moved - cheers guys
[16:55] <ali1234> wow and it remembers now too
[16:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[16:56] <ali1234> not that i ever look at the dash
[16:56] <oimon> i heard you can disable "apps for download" too
[16:56]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[16:56] <davmor2> oimon: only if you are on unity 5.0
[16:56] <oimon> i think i am
[16:57] <gord> are you on precice?
[16:57] <davmor2> oimon: are you on oneiric?
[16:57] <oimon> precise alpha
[16:57] <gord> then you are if you updated since friday
[16:57] <oimon> yup
[17:03]  * daubers can't update unity for some reason on his precise box
[17:04] <daubers> Says there's unfulfilled dependancies
[17:04] <oimon> i just did an dist-upgrade after installing alpha1
[17:05] <daubers> I've been trying to avoid taht and just use update manager
[17:05] <ali1234> ah i heard people were having that bug...
[17:05] <ali1234> there's probably a fix on the forums or launchpad
[17:05] <oimon> does update manager still ask if you want to replace config files?
[17:08] <popey> daubers: I'd recommend you dist-upgrade
[17:08]  * czajkowski tickles popey 
[17:08]  * popey jumps
[17:09] <czajkowski> :)
[17:09] <AlanBell> powercuts are bad, someone should make a law against them
[17:10]  * AlanBell is using smuxi now
[17:10] <czajkowski> AlanBell: welcome back we were worried about you
[17:10] <AlanBell> aww
[17:10]  * AlanBell starts typing in 80 /join commands
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: do /channel commands
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: those get saved on /save
[17:11]  * czajkowski has to write a bio about herself for FOSDEM 
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: "Irish."
[17:11] <czajkowski> only female taking part in the panel about distros ambassadors
[17:11] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: I've to put that bit in to stop people talking to me in polish!
[17:11] <AlanBell> "I iz teh awesome!"
[17:11] <AlanBell> that should do for anyone as a bio
[17:12] <AlanBell> so, smuxi users, how does one connect to it from Android?
[17:13] <AlanBell> and why doesn't multiple tab presses cycle through nicks? grr
[17:14]  * popey wonders why AlanBell is using smuxi
[17:14] <czajkowski> see irrsi+screen+ssh ftw!
[17:14] <AlanBell> to get some mono awesomeness
[17:14] <AlanBell> popey: we were talking about it this morning, I kind of like the client/server architecture as a concept so thought I would give it a go next time I had a powercut
[17:14] <Laney> #smuxi @ oftc for all your chatting-with-upstream needs
[17:16] <popey> bah, anyone else having akismet problems with wordpress today?
[17:16] <popey> my blog can't connect to akismet so I now have thousands of spam comments
[17:20] <czajkowski> working fine here
[17:23] <daubers> popey: Will do so from home
[17:26] <daubers> mm... might need to take an SSD into a customer, trying to get an overviuew of whats munching their NAS to shred and my little inotify client can't write to disk fast enough
[17:26] <daubers> stupid iops limits
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> Stupid fast NASes
[18:03] <bigcalm> Colour me surprised: http://www.maplin.co.uk/leisure/electronic-kits/arduino-kits
[18:03] <bigcalm> Happy though
[18:04] <gordonjcp> yup
[18:04] <brobostigon> cool
[18:04] <gordonjcp> getting in just in time for Arduinos to die out and faster, better things to come along
[18:05] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[18:05] <bigcalm> Speed isn't everything. They are tools for learning with
[18:06] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: yeah, but when you can get a 24MHz ARM7 for less than half the price of an ATMega 328, it starts to look almost nonsensical...
[18:08] <YaManicKill> anyone used a bulldozer cpu?
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> Arduinos are more expensive than Raspberry Pi will be 8-)
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> YaManicKill: That's the AMD one right?
[18:08] <YaManicKill> MartijnVdS: yeah
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> Haven't used it... haven't used AMD in a loooong time
[18:09] <YaManicKill> fairynuff
[18:09] <YaManicKill> am just about to upgrade my phenom x4 2.6 to a bulldozer x6 3.3
[18:09] <YaManicKill> and am gonna get this motherboard - http://amzn.to/AntaON
[18:09] <YaManicKill> just looking for if anyone has any real hand experience with either before i do so
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Asus tends to be good
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> <- saving money for an i7
[18:13] <YaManicKill> yeah, i've been pretty happy with my phenom, and although the i7s have better single core performance, in Linux especially the bulldozer has better multi-core performance
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> I like the built-in GPU bits
[18:13] <YaManicKill> which, tbh, is only going to get better, as more applications become more and more multi-core optimised
[18:13] <YaManicKill> MartijnVdS: in the i7?
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> yes
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> new i7s come with GPUs
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> well if you choose the right ones
[18:14] <YaManicKill> fairynuff, i have 2 external graphics cards, so don't really care about that tbh
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> I don't need graphics performance. Intel has libva support for decoding MPEG2 and H264, so that helps for HD video
[18:14] <YaManicKill> but yeah, that's useful for laptops and stuff. the new amd APUs look like they are going to be nice as well when they eventually get released
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> 3D is adequate
[18:15] <YaManicKill> ok, my main reason for external graphics cards...i have 4 monitors :-)
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> I have one. More than enough :)
[18:15] <YaManicKill> i like more than 1 as it helps me compare code/documents etc at the same time rather than switching between windowws
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> I tried 2 once
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> but I got distracted all the time, or put most stuff on one screen
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> so then I switched back
[18:17] <YaManicKill> fairynuff
[18:17] <YaManicKill> this is why choice is good :-)
[18:17] <YaManicKill> i work well with more than 1 screen (except when studying for exams...) whereas you don't
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> Kettle time!
[18:37] <AlanBell> precise time I think
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I'm already on precise
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> on all my machines :)
[18:39] <AlanBell> I have a precise desktop, and a few servers and VMs this is the upgrade for my main laptop
[18:39] <KrimZon> I use workspaces more than multiple monitors
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon: same for me
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> one for banshee, one for tbird, one for "the rest" (lots of terminals and vim windows + web browser)
[18:41] <KrimZon> I made myself a perl script to handle creating workspaces with keyboard shortcuts and automatically deleting empty ones
[18:45] <KrimZon> using wmctrl or whatever it's called
[18:46] <KrimZon> I ought to post it once I find it - I used it on my laptop but not the eee that I'm on now
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon: a bit like gnome shell does?
[18:47] <KrimZon> yeah
[18:48] <KrimZon> it was the main feature of gnome 3 that I was excited about
[18:48] <KrimZon> but I wasn't pleased that it wasn't so modular any more
[19:30] <Knightwise> hey everyone
[19:30] <Knightwise> good morrrrrning
[19:30] <AlanBell> o/ Knightwise
[19:30] <Knightwise> hey Alan ! :)
[19:30] <Knightwise> how are you today
[19:31] <AlanBell> things are good with me :)
[19:31]  * AlanBell sets up a happy hour for Thursday
[19:32] <Knightwise> cool :)
[19:32] <AlanBell> tonytiger: are you around on Thursday evening in the Southampton area?
[19:32] <AlanBell> and/or anyone else
[19:32] <Knightwise> anyone of you guyz going to fossdem ?
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: Jij woont ernaast! ;)
[19:32] <Knightwise> Lol indeed MartijnVdS i'm probably going on sat or sunday
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> Sunday probably
[19:33] <Knightwise> cool . perhaps we'll catch eachother over there :) would be great to meet you in person for once :)
[19:33]  * MartijnVdS buys a fake moustache
[19:34] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: your bodily odour will betray you
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> Hey! I shower every few weeks!
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> More in the rain season.
[19:36] <Knightwise> I thought you scraped off the soot with a shovel ?
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: My name isn't "Piet". And I don't live in Spain.
[19:36] <Knightwise> Lol :)
[19:36] <Knightwise> i'm not a belgian bishop .. so your kids are safe
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: you don't need to be a bishop to be dangerous to kids in Belgium. (proof: Marc D)
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> Aaaaaanyway :)
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> I'd like a #u-uk meeting (if enough people are coming) at FOSDEM
[19:39] <Knightwise> Indeed. i'll be there to do some interviews and stuff
[19:39] <Knightwise> and ask the ubuntu guy what the crap they were on when they designed unity
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: it must have been good stuff
[19:42] <Knightwise> and i'll be huggin Ken Fallon cuz i've never met him in person yet and we've been workin together for a while now (The Knightcast is also featured on HPR)
[19:44] <Knightwise> but ..
[19:44] <Knightwise> what i came down for . :)
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:45] <Knightwise> i've played around with owncloud
[19:45] <Knightwise> and i'm pretty impressed
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> pwncloud?
[19:45] <Knightwise> Owncloud :)
[19:45] <Knightwise> used it yett ?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> no
[19:47] <Knightwise> its pretty easy to install and allmost works out of the box.
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> what does it do?
[19:47] <Knightwise> its basically your own dropbox service
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> ah
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> my nas has that now
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> (Synology)
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> I think
[19:48] <Knightwise> after you install it you get a nice web interface to up and download files to , create accounts ets ets
[19:48] <Knightwise> etC etC ..
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> sounds like my NAS
[19:48] <Knightwise> But you can also hook up to it with clients on several OS's
[19:48] <Knightwise> (ios, android etc)
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> ios, android, windows for now
[19:48] <Knightwise> but now all i need is something like a dropbox client that does offline syncin
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> but it has webdav so Linux should work
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> and OSX
[19:49] <Knightwise> yep , osx works , linux works (for mounting it as a drive)
[19:49] <Knightwise> now i just need an offline sync client
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> http://i.qkme.me/35q9i5.jpg
[19:52] <Knightwise> Facepalm
[19:53] <daubers> Evening
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers
[19:53] <Knightwise> hey daubers  !
[19:53]  * Knightwise is relieved
[19:53]  * Knightwise is no longer the handsomest person in the room
[19:54] <daubers> Uhhh....
[19:54] <daubers> what?#
[19:54] <tonytiger> AlanBell: maybe, what's up?
[19:55] <BigRedS> Ah, tonytiger, have you much use for a us uuk podcast mirror? I've just acquired a us vps that's not doing a huge amount
[19:56] <tonytiger> BigRedS: the more the merrier, really.
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: http://www.quickmeme.com/inappropriate-radio-DJ/
[19:59] <AlanBell> tonytiger: I will be in the area
[20:04] <FirewallCastle> Hi
[20:06]  * FirewallCastle bring beer to Ubuntu UK channel, enough to go around (if your legal to drink).
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[20:06] <smittix> o/
[20:06] <smittix> Evening all
[20:06] <FirewallCastle> Evening
[20:26] <tonytiger> AlanBell: lurking in car parks as normal, or something specific planned?
[20:26] <AlanBell> I was thinking of declaring a happy hour
[20:28] <jutnux> Thought you were going to say war for a minute.
[20:30]  * AlanBell declares war on happiness and war on the causes of happiness
[20:31] <christel> awww
[20:31] <FirewallCastle> War against Microsoft's dirty business tactics? :)
[20:32] <christel> i do like a good war
[20:32] <directhex> war. war never changes
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> fallout \o/
[20:33] <FirewallCastle> war, to make a change, change for good, change for a better future on computers
[20:33] <tonytiger> AlanBell: OK, we might be able to pop out for a drink
[20:34] <AlanBell> \o/
[20:34] <FirewallCastle> To many schools drill Microsoft this and Microsoft that into kids.
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> ʘ‿ʘ
[20:35] <FirewallCastle> All I hear is how good internet explorer is and how rubbish firefox is.
[20:35] <FirewallCastle> :\
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> Well they pay for the software.. better have it be praised
[20:36] <FirewallCastle> Why pay for it though?
[20:36] <FirewallCastle> Why not teach our kids the way of Linux
[20:36] <FirewallCastle> get kids programming
[20:36] <FirewallCastle> making games
[20:36] <FirewallCastle> programs
[20:37] <FirewallCastle> using their brains
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> FirewallCastle: you should join #raspberrypi :)
[20:37] <FirewallCastle> :)
[20:38] <FirewallCastle> I am in a queue to buy a Raspberry Pi :)
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> so is everyone here I think
[20:38] <AlanBell> right, precise reboot time. See you on the other side o/
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> good luck AlanBell
[20:39] <FirewallCastle> Schools need to invest in the freedom of linux imo.
[20:39] <FirewallCastle> Teaching kids to program
[20:39] <FirewallCastle> so when they leave school, they have a skill.
[20:40] <FirewallCastle> does anyone else agree with my rant?
[20:41] <FirewallCastle> ...Hello?
[20:41]  * FirewallCastle wonders if he is all alone.
[20:42] <directhex> there are very very few IT teachers with a real background in computinhg
[20:43] <directhex> and for the past couple of decades, IT teaching has focused on "Job skills" - i.e. secretarial skills in excel & word
[20:50] <jutnux> Yes, the debate on rubbish IT.
[20:51] <jutnux> FirewallCastle: YES
[20:51] <jutnux> My IT teacher (who doesn't have a degree) said they only teach Windows as that's all companies use.
[20:51] <jutnux> Now whilst this mostly is true, what if they do come across a system with Mac or Linux on?
[20:59] <mattt> jutnux: then they bring in the ghost busters
[21:00] <czajkowski> well the majority of folks still need basic skills which teachers do teach and kids do need
[21:01] <czajkowski> so while folks may get all cranky, kids do still need experience in learning how to use excell or make presensations using ppt
[21:02] <jutnux> czajkowski: Of course they do, but 16 year olds should have learned that a long time before.
[21:02] <tonytiger> czajkowski: quite, most people will not need to do advanced system administration or programming. But they will need to use e-mail, word processor, spreadsheet and presentation software.
[21:03] <tonytiger> Making sure there are valid options for those who do wish to learn how to program is the important thing
[21:03] <jutnux> tonytiger: You don't learn e-mail.
[21:03] <jutnux> At least not on the course I do :p
[21:04] <tonytiger> Well, they should teach it ;)
[21:04] <AlanBell> there is a difference between training and teaching
[21:04] <jutnux> Word.
[21:04] <AlanBell> and yay, precise upgrades that just work \o/
[21:04] <ahayzen> the funny thing is that some people in my A-level IT class can't even use formulas in Excel =-O ...
[21:05] <czajkowski> tonytiger: btw no way in gods green eath do I want to see a female dr!
[21:05] <czajkowski> jutnux: no they haven't not correctly
[21:06] <jutnux> ahayzen: People on my GCSE course don't know how to do the simplest of tasks
[21:06] <dogmatic69> anyone set up a company before?
[21:06] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: yes
[21:06] <jutnux> So yes, Office tasks need to be taught, but not 24/7/250
[21:06] <ahayzen> jutnux: ikr and some of them do A-level Maths but can't understand functions!
[21:06] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: is it safe to use one of these online things? how did you do it?
[21:07] <tonytiger> czajkowski: think outside the box! As it were.
[21:07] <jutnux> ahayzen: I'm doing GCSE and going to do Maths & BTEC IT at College, I hope people aren't distracting :-(
[21:08] <czajkowski> tonytiger: NO I already lost david tennant!
[21:08] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: we used an online formation thing, there are two types, those that register new companies, and those that recycle an existing company and change the name. I don't like the feel of the recycling option but it is fractionally faster
[21:08] <mattt> dogmatic69: sawt his on hacker news the other week: http://swombat.com/2012/1/7/how-to-register-a-company
[21:08] <ahayzen> jutnux: lol... i'm hoping to do Software engineering at uni
[21:08] <jutnux> Can't be bothered with Uni
[21:08] <ahayzen> jutnux: why not?
[21:08] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: ye, not keen on inheriting some doggy history :/
[21:08] <dogmatic69> not in a rush or anything really
[21:09] <jutnux> ahayzen: I'd rather get a job and vital experience.
[21:09] <ahayzen> jutnux: good point
[21:09] <jutnux> ahayzen: And I aim to teach myself most of what I need to know (even though technology advances and stuff) in the next 5/6 years.
[21:10] <mattt> if i could do it again, i'd do uni ... there's plenty of time to work :D
[21:10] <BigRedS> yeah, I sort-of wish I'd stuck at uni
[21:10] <BigRedS> and/.or done something I was interested in
[21:13] <simondbull> it annoys me that the media can't differentiate between IT/ICT/CS
[21:14] <ali1234> what's the difference between IT and ICT?
[21:15] <dogmatic69> mattt: thanks for that
[21:15] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: do you remember the one you used?
[21:16] <simondbull> Information Technology and Information Communication Technology -   Communication
[21:16] <MaOs> Hello
[21:17] <jutnux> My timetable says IT
[21:18] <simondbull> jutnux: mine says 'Applied ICT'
[21:19] <jutnux> It might as well say most boring lesson of all time
[21:19] <jutnux> I'm at 250mb and I have a few processes open.
[21:20] <jutnux> Woops
[21:21] <ahayzen> jutnux: can't be as bad as my lessons with coding in VBA?
[21:21] <MaOs> I've a question, it's not at FAQ
[21:21] <MaOs> Anyone could help me please?
[21:21] <jutnux> ahayzen: I have to make a powerpoint.
[21:21] <jutnux> MaOs: Shoot.
[21:22] <ahayzen> jutnux: same for me at GCSE
[21:22] <MaOs> I've 2 partition in my netbook: C, windows installed, and D, a few programs in
[21:22] <MaOs> When I try to install ubuntu in D
[21:22] <simondbull> IT nowadays seems to be a case of who can write this letter the quickest
[21:23] <MaOs> starts downloading, finish, and when installing, it fails due permission request fails
[21:23] <MaOs> I must delete everything in D to install?
[21:23] <jutnux> You running Wubi or what?
[21:23] <MaOs> yes, wubi
[21:24] <jutnux> Probably because it is mounted.
[21:24] <jutnux> Although that shouldn't make any difference.
[21:24] <jutnux> Try running it from a LiveCD and hitting the option "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows"
[21:25] <MaOs> Ok, thank you, +respect
[21:30] <FirewallCastle> Does anyone here use Android on their Phone?
[21:30] <brobostigon> o/
[21:31] <ali1234> i did for a while until i got tired of the crashing and having to charge every 6 hours
[21:32] <FirewallCastle> I think Google are a bit to relaxed with the market, "bad" apps.
[21:32] <brobostigon> my g1, now with android 2.3.7, lasts best part of 24hrs, normal use.
[21:32] <FirewallCastle> "bad" = "malware" *
[21:32] <ali1234> perhaps.
[21:32] <ali1234> i only have two apps: dropwords and minecraft
[21:32] <jutnux> My tablet lasts 2 days normal use.
[21:33] <brobostigon> jutnux: what battery?
[21:33] <jutnux> Whatever comes with the tablet.
[21:34] <brobostigon> jutnux: that doesnt answer my question, i needed its specs, so i can compare. to my tablet.
[21:35] <jutnux> Doesn't say
[21:35]  * jutnux looks around more
[21:35] <brobostigon> my tablets battery is 3400mah,
[21:36] <brobostigon> and 4200mv roughly.
[21:37] <jutnux> Doesn't say, sorry.
[21:37] <jutnux> What tablet do you have?
[21:37] <brobostigon> jutnux: the scroll assential capacitive.
[21:39] <jutnux> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Storage-Options-52577-Scroll-Capacitive/dp/B004ZZRMQG ?
[21:39] <brobostigon> yep.
[21:41] <jutnux> Is it any good?
[21:42] <brobostigon> mostly, took some tweaking, and i may make my own custom android for it, but yes, otherwise, it is good.
[21:43] <brobostigon> only problematic bit, is the wifi chipset, and the hdmi output.
[21:45] <brobostigon> jutnux: it still have some of android phone components enabled, so to slim htings about, as they dont get used, i connected it via adb, and renamed them, so they dont get loaded.
[21:45] <brobostigon> had*
[21:45] <jutnux> Ah right.
[21:45] <jutnux> I have an Archos 101 and it's pretty quick.
[21:46] <brobostigon> it could maybe do with more ram, sometimes, like when using flash, but otherwise, it is fast and stable.
[21:46] <ubuntubhoy> have you enabled market access ?
[21:47] <brobostigon> yes, was there as standard.
[21:47] <jutnux> ubuntubhoy: Yes, yes I have.
[21:47] <ubuntubhoy> was for brobostigon
[21:47] <jutnux> O
[21:47] <ubuntubhoy> had to help a friend manually root one the other day
[21:47] <ubuntubhoy> to get proper market on it
[21:47] <brobostigon> ubuntubhoy: what did you use?
[21:48] <brobostigon> ubuntubhoy: i mean to root it.
[21:48] <brobostigon> ubuntubhoy: and is this with the android 2.3.3 version?
[21:48] <ubuntubhoy> gimme a sec, was a manual rooting guide on the scroll forums
[21:48] <ubuntubhoy> yeah
[21:48] <ubuntubhoy> one-click and the other Zroot didn't work
[21:49] <brobostigon> yes, i tried zroot, and it failed.
[21:49] <brobostigon> one-click, i am not familier with,
[21:49] <ubuntubhoy> yah, but on the scroll forum there is a manual rooting guide for the standard scroll that worked
[21:50] <ubuntubhoy> was just wondering if I missed an easier way
[21:50] <brobostigon> ubuntubhoy: a search on the market for one-click returns no results.
[21:51] <brobostigon> ubuntubhoy: baring in mind, i dont have a windows machine/install,
[21:51] <brobostigon> ubuntubhoy: closest i know of is superoneclick, which requires windows.
[21:54] <ubuntubhoy> http://scrolltabletforum.co.uk/site/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1529
[21:54] <brobostigon> let me look, minute.
[21:54] <ubuntubhoy> had to use that guide, and use a little jiggery pokery to get it to work
[21:55] <ubuntubhoy> mate posted on MODACO, but got no joy there either
[21:56] <brobostigon> ok, looks interesting,.
[21:58] <brobostigon> ubuntubhoy: i will have a better look at that tmrw, when i am more awake.
[21:59] <ubuntubhoy> np
[21:59] <ubuntubhoy> hope it helps
[21:59] <brobostigon> thank you.
[21:59] <brobostigon> let me see tmrw.
[22:03] <ubuntubhoy> jutnux, how is the archos ?
[22:03] <ubuntubhoy> I have 2 Vega's for the kids running HC & they are pretty cool
[22:04] <ubuntubhoy> plus I run Hc & ICS on my Dell Duo, but it not 100% on it
[22:04] <jutnux> Pretty good for the price.
[22:04] <jutnux> I just play Minecraft on it most of the time ;-)
[22:04] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[22:04] <ubuntubhoy> I use it for browsing, IRC, kindle that kinda thing
[22:06] <jutnux> Me too haha
[22:06] <jutnux> I prefer Aldiko over the Kindle appl though
[22:06] <ubuntubhoy> hmm
[22:07] <ubuntubhoy> I like that I can sync between the phone, Android & Ubuntu with kindle on the Duo
[22:07] <ubuntubhoy> but Aldiko is a nicer interface
[22:08]  * AlanBell set up an orca pronounciation substitution so it pronounces czajkowski as Laura
[22:08] <jutnux> It's cha-cow-ski right? Or chy-kov-sky
[22:08] <jutnux> ski*
[22:09] <jutnux> Anyone watch stargazing?
[22:09] <czajkowski> chi kov ski
[22:09] <AlanBell> yeah, but orca mangles it because it is normally in English mode, espeak can get it right in polish mode
[22:10] <AlanBell> spd-say -l pl czajkowski
[22:10] <AlanBell> that gets it right
[22:11] <AlanBell> seezashcowski is what orca reads it as though
[22:12] <AlanBell> and it looks like global menus got slightly worse and indicator menus broke altogether
[22:47] <czajkowski> how does one tell what version of unity they are running ?
[22:47] <AlanBell> unity --version
[22:48] <AlanBell> unity 5.0.0
[22:48] <czajkowski> running that also
[22:54] <swat_> i just realised that i was running unity-2d
[22:54] <swat_> i've switched to 'proper' unity, and it is a lot lot faster
[23:00] <czajkowski> I've seen some folks say they can change the colour of the side panel
[23:00] <czajkowski> how?
[23:01] <AlanBell> ccsm, unity plugin, experimental tab, background colour, set it to something and twiddle the opacity
[23:01] <czajkowski> ahhh
[23:02] <czajkowski> http://i.imgur.com/0wLsT.jpg
[23:02] <czajkowski> current desktop
[23:04]  * AlanBell tries the unity switcher again
[23:05] <MooDoo> evening all
[23:05] <AlanBell> nope, it is still bonkers
[23:06]  * czajkowski hugs MooDoo 
[23:06] <MooDoo> :) x
[23:07] <ali1234> switcher?
[23:07] <AlanBell> alt-tab
[23:07] <ali1234> oh that
[23:08] <czajkowski> ali1234: whats wrong
[23:08] <czajkowski> mine is working
[23:08] <AlanBell> you can turn off the unity one and turn on a normal one
[23:08] <czajkowski> get an image on screen to alt tab through
[23:08] <bigcalm> 12.04 alpha1 burnt to dvd. Time to rip out the laptop's hdd and put in the ssd
[23:08] <swat_> it certainly takes some getting useful
[23:09] <ali1234> i don't use alt-tab. i find it an very inefficient way to switch between windows
[23:09] <czajkowski> ali1234: how else do you.......
[23:09] <AlanBell> czajkowski: it raises all windows of a particular type of application, you can't switch between two windows of different types without other stuff being moved around
[23:09] <ali1234> i use the spread view, which is nearly as bad
[23:09] <gordonjcp> right
[23:10] <gordonjcp> here is why pulseaudio is bad
[23:10] <gordonjcp> I've been listening to some music for a few minutes
[23:10] <gordonjcp> thinking "this is a pretty damn strange mix, even for The Orb"
[23:10] <ali1234> everything sounds like underwater right?
[23:10] <gordonjcp> there's a pop-under advert with autoplaying noisy video going
[23:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] The Day the Internet Went Black - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2012/01/the-day-the-internet-went-black/
[23:14] <ali1234> czajkowski: i don't have a mental map of windows that is compatible with any form of alt-tab
[23:14] <ali1234> i think "i want the terminal in the top right of desktop 3"
[23:15] <ali1234> alt-tab can never show me which one that is
[23:15] <ali1234> the spread sort of can, except that it shows windows from all desktops, and there's a bug that makes it randomly shuffle everything around
[23:16] <ali1234> what wi would do under gnome is go to desktop 3, then start clicking terminals on the taskbar. if it's the wrong one, click it again and it goes away. try the next one...
[23:16] <ali1234> if you try to do that on unity all hell breaks loose
[23:17] <ali1234> you can't show a window and then hide it again without mousing all over the place
[23:21] <ali1234> see i like to use the mouse pointer as a kind of bookmark
[23:21] <ali1234> if i'm looking through a series of windows, i don't need to remember which ones i've checked. i've checked all the ones on the left of the mouse pointer, on the task bar
[23:21] <ali1234> doesn't work with a dock
[23:22] <ali1234> also doesn't work at all with alt-tab
[23:23] <AlanBell> looking at the unity launcher API it seems that anything can add quicklist entries to anything
[23:24] <AlanBell> so you don't have to be the running application to tinker with the quicklists
[23:25] <AlanBell> so I think it would be possible for something to run and get all the window titles of each application and add quicklist entries for them
[23:28] <AlanBell> not quite sure how you specify the action to take on a dynamic quicklist entry
[23:42] <bigcalm> Using an SSD, I'm sure the 12.04 install time has been shrunk
[23:44] <bigcalm> Oh poo!
[23:44] <bigcalm> Installer crashed :(
[23:44] <gord> that explains that then ;)
[23:45] <bigcalm> Just had an error report?
[23:47] <gord> AlanBell, dbusmenu right? just connect to the activated signal
[23:47] <gord> on a menu item
[23:49] <bigcalm> Maybe I should try installing 11.10 and then upgrading to 12.04 alpha1
[23:54] <bigcalm> Actually, this time I'll not connect it to the 'net before installing
[23:56]  * hamitron grumbles
[23:59] <bigcalm> Hungry?