[00:51] <snap-l> http://fukung.net/v/5781/d86933294dfe0f4b7e41889d70724f25.jpg
[00:54] <rick_h__> umm, ouch
[00:57] <snap-l> The FSF is calling YOU.
[01:21] <rick_h__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-pTFEHLC4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[01:45] <snap-l> Can anyone riddle me why fastcgi under Ubuntu doesn't come with an init script?
[02:06] <rick_h_droid> heh
[02:06] <rick_h_droid> I've got a setup for it if you need
[02:06] <snap-l> Thanks. I found one on the internets.
[02:06] <snap-l> but it's curious why that's not default
[02:06] <snap-l> or at least "hey, if you want this to run, here's a handy default"
[02:07] <rick_h_droid> yea not sure
[02:40] <snap-l> Yay, converted my site over to ngnx
[02:41] <rick_h_droid> yay!
[03:15] <snap-l> http://fukung.net/v/13223/drums.jpg
[03:25] <snap-l> http://fukung.net/v/16424/c2c3a67e313b6199d9054fc2145a2c67.jpg
[12:44] <Wolfger> Morning. Possibly even good.
[12:48] <rick_h__> party
[13:49] <snap-l> Party party.
[13:49] <snap-l> How's the morning so far?
[13:51] <rick_h__> good stuff, day off so hacking at the coffee shop for a bit
[13:54] <snap-l> rick_h__: Bet you need some time off. :)
[13:55] <rick_h__> yea, no kidding
[13:55] <rick_h__> I did such a happy dance when someone said we were off
[13:55] <rick_h__> going to stay away from the computer all afternoon and try to cool off a bit
[13:57] <tjagoda> Plenty cold outside for the cooling off today
[13:58] <snap-l> I <3 Ubuntu
[13:58] <tjagoda> It crashed, right?
[13:58] <tjagoda> I usually say that after a crash. =(
[13:58] <snap-l> typed "pdfgrep" to see if there's a way to gre PDF files
[13:58] <snap-l> and there's a command for it
[13:59] <tjagoda> I have experienced substantially less crash since I moved to KDE
[13:59] <tjagoda> My random hardlocks disappeared.
[13:59] <brousch> tjagoda: kubuntu is the future
[14:00] <tjagoda> +1
[14:00] <tjagoda> The only annoyance I have is that I cannot map the super key to bring up the launcher menu
[14:00] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning to ya
[14:01] <tjagoda> apparently QT framework restrictions in KDE's implementation prevent single key shortcuts
[14:02] <tjagoda> Brousch: also, is your update manager GUI kind of buggy?
[14:02] <brousch> tjagoda: i mapped super+space
[14:02] <tjagoda> I started using command line apt because the GUI kept getting in the way.
[14:03] <brousch> i have always used command line apt. the gui was so slow compared to command line that i never switched
[14:03] <snap-l> I <3 ALU
[14:03] <snap-l> (and this is my ranty love)
[14:03] <brousch> what is ALU?
[14:03] <snap-l> $LASTJOB
[14:04] <brousch> ut oh. the new job makes the old job look like paradise?
[14:04] <snap-l> tried an e-mail address for HR to sort out some paycheck information
[14:04] <snap-l> it bounced
[14:04] <snap-l> that's because it's not HRServiceCenter, it's HRServiceCtr
[14:05] <snap-l> Thankfully I save lots of stuff, otherwise I'd have no clue what it is
[14:06] <brousch> heh
[14:10] <brousch> i'm back on the dell today. i couldn't get an external monitor working on the macbook under ubuntu
[14:17] <snap-l> Sorry to hear that
[14:18] <brousch> oh well, that just means i need to sell it and buy a pc
[14:21] <brousch> one of those sexy little thinkpads like you guys have
[14:29] <snap-l> Heh
[14:29] <rick_h__> brousch: !!!
[14:29] <brousch> ???
[14:30] <rick_h__> on geting a TP
[14:30] <rick_h__> never been so proud :)
[14:30] <brousch> oh come on, i had a t21 and a t30 before this dell
[14:30] <snap-l> Hey!
[14:31] <snap-l> I thought it was a big deal wnen I got a Thinkpad. ;)
[14:31] <rick_h__> it was
[14:31] <brousch> now we know who the favorite padawan is
[14:31] <rick_h__> next up is the other mac happy fanboi
[14:31] <snap-l> bah
[14:31] <snap-l> should have gone last
[14:31] <rick_h__> hah, jealousy leads to hate, hate leads to mac land
[14:31] <snap-l> would get more of the prodigal son treatment
[14:31]  * snap-l brings up shop.apple.com
[14:32] <rick_h__> naw, you still win because you don't use django
[14:32] <snap-l> About that...
[14:32] <snap-l> ;)
[14:33] <rick_h__> hah, if you get john to use django I'll come down to that office and help you pack :P
[14:33] <brousch> oh man, convert all of rick_h__'s morpace code to django. that would be epic
[14:34] <Wolfger> Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to see so many loco-ites using KDE now. :-)
[14:35] <brousch> Wolfger: i would be totally satisfied with it if only i could get this ram issue under control
[14:36] <Wolfger> stop using gtk apps and see what your memory looks like :-)
[14:37] <Wolfger> since coming back on a fresh 11.10 install of Kubuntu, I've been using only Qt apps (including rekonq, which is nice when it isn't crashing, which is too often), and I'm shocked at how little memory is used.
[14:37] <snap-l> grrr....
[14:38] <snap-l> I'm very irritated at ALU right now
[14:38] <snap-l> I'm under the impression I'm supposed to be getting a "last check"
[14:38] <brousch> Wolfger: i cannot replace chrome with reconk
[14:38] <snap-l> sent a note to the HR desk
[14:38] <snap-l> and they sent me a canned "ADP handles our payroll. Ask them"
[14:38] <brousch> that's like replacing a macbook pro with a dell latitude
[14:39] <Wolfger> brousch: Which "can't"; technically incapable, or stubbornly unwilling?
[14:39] <brousch> i cannot live without chrome. all of my google is in it
[14:40] <Wolfger> That's the nice thing about Google...
[14:40] <Wolfger> It lives in any browser on any computer
[14:40] <snap-l> mostly.
[14:41] <snap-l> I've had some trouble with sync
[14:41] <brousch> but my bookie!
[14:41] <Wolfger> snap-l: sync?
[14:42] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yes, Chrome has sync so you can sync themes, bookmarks, and plugins
[14:42] <Wolfger> brousch: get coding on a bookie plug-in for rekonq :-D
[14:42] <snap-l> except it seems to get a little borked
[14:42] <Wolfger> snap-l: Chrome most definitely only works in Chrome, not "any browser". :-p
[14:43] <brousch> my reqonk has adblock built-in
[14:43] <brousch> or it snagged it from my chrome
[14:43] <snap-l> Wolfger: This is just with Chrome
[14:44] <brousch> dang, it doesn't have import bookmarks from chrome
[14:44] <Wolfger> snap-l: OK. I was confused. Thought you were commenting on my "google lives in any browser on any computer" comment
[14:44] <snap-l> no
[14:44] <snap-l> I'm not normally confused
[14:44] <Wolfger> <-- normally confused
[14:44] <snap-l> we know. ;)
[14:45] <Wolfger> that's why I try to stay abnormal
[14:49] <rick_h__> bookie is going to be pretty sweet soon
[14:49] <rick_h__> get on the bookie train
[14:49] <brousch> rekonq is retarded
[14:49] <brousch> it is showing me page source instead of the page
[14:50] <rick_h__> lol
[14:50] <Wolfger> for what page?
[14:51]  * Wolfger considers getting on the bookie train
[14:51] <rick_h__> man, firebug doesn't have a console in the script debugger
[14:51] <rick_h__> boooo!
[14:52] <brousch> there it goes
[14:52] <brousch> Wolfger: for gmail
[14:52] <Wolfger> Huh. Never had a problem with Gmail.
[14:53] <Blazeix> rick_h__: but i think the console tab's context is wherever you are in the debugger
[14:53] <Blazeix> at least it used to be
[14:53] <Wolfger> brousch: must be your Dell... XD
[14:53] <rick_h__> Blazeix: yea, but I have to look back/forth across the tabs in order to work with it
[14:53] <rick_h__> basically hitting the debugger in order to check current values/etc aheda of call
[14:54] <brousch> Wolfger: some cookie error came up, then i refreshed a dozen times and it started working
[14:54] <Blazeix> yeah, you can always put watches, but it isn't as nice as a console
[14:55] <rick_h__> Blazeix: yea, all good. I know part of it is what I'm used to
[14:55] <rick_h__> but I do think it's cleaner in webkit tools vs firebug
[14:57] <rick_h__> bah, and now it's hanging...damn FF
[14:58] <rick_h__> nice, now it's working yay
[14:59] <Blazeix> webkit's tools are getting there, but there are still some painful things
[14:59] <rick_h__> yea?
[14:59] <Blazeix> the context menu was useless for the longest time
[14:59] <rick_h__> which context menu?
[15:00] <Blazeix> all of them :)
[15:00] <rick_h__> lol
[15:00] <Blazeix> they used just allow you to 'inspect current element' which would bring you into the webkit debugger's internal code
[15:00] <Blazeix> in the last few months they removed that and gave decent options
[15:01] <rick_h__> you'll have to show me what you mean
[15:01] <Blazeix> but there are still areas with no options, like in the 'css' area of the Elements section
[15:01] <rick_h__> ah, ok
[15:01] <rick_h__> what does FF have there that you like?
[15:02] <Blazeix> click on the css column in the HTML tab, compared to the same area in webkitdebugger
[15:02] <Blazeix> FF has options, webkit doesn't
[15:02] <rick_h__> ah, ok
[15:02] <Blazeix> in order to work in webkit you have to use these tiny little glyph icons
[15:03] <rick_h__> heh, I don't even use that
[15:03] <rick_h__> double click to edit/add new and there's the checkbox to disable
[15:03] <Blazeix> yeah, for existing style rules that's fine
[15:03] <rick_h__> cool though, yea I should go back and compare more I've been so chrome only for so long
[15:04] <snap-l> I've been using Firefox over here, and I'm finding it still pretty slow
[15:04] <Blazeix> i'm also a fan of the DOM tab in firebug
[15:04] <rick_h__> ugh, I hate even looking at the dom stuff. So much crap to parse through.
[15:04] <Blazeix> though webkitdebugger's console has some things that compare to it, now
[15:04] <snap-l> but I think that's because it wants to render the whole page, whereas Chrome renders it as it goes
[15:05] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, but that's up to the web page
[15:06] <snap-l> eh?
[15:06] <rick_h__> I got to have a big discussion on that since the rework we've done on launchpad dens't always save a ton of load time on the page (total time until load event is fired)
[15:06] <rick_h__> but it moved the domready event up over a second
[15:06] <rick_h__> domready == you see stuff on the page
[15:06] <rick_h__> so both firefox and chrome have rules for that stuff (blocking js, css parsing, etc)
[15:06] <snap-l> hm, wonder if there's something in tracks
[15:06] <snap-l> since that's where I notice it most.
[15:07] <rick_h__> so if chrome feels faster it's not necessarily that one browser starts showing things sooner vs the other, but that it's done the work faster. So might be differences in caching, etc
[15:07] <rick_h__> run the net panel on both chrome and FF
[15:07] <rick_h__> they both drop markers down the view for the domready and load events
[15:07] <rick_h__> so you can compare the ms it takes to get to each marker in each browser to get a feel for it
[15:08] <Blazeix> oh, actually, firebug does have a console on the script tab for me.
[15:08] <Blazeix> just a simple REPL
[15:08] <rick_h__> yea?
[15:08] <Blazeix> yeah, at the very bottom there are three blue '>', I didn't see them at first
[15:08] <rick_h__> Blazeix: on 1.9?
[15:09] <Blazeix> ah, click the icon on the top bar that looks like the 'justify text' icon
[15:09] <Blazeix> speaking of unclear glyphs
[15:09] <rick_h__> ah, sweet
[15:09] <rick_h__> Blazeix gets the gold star for today! :)
[15:10] <rick_h__> I also like the chrome way of the console moving down thepage vs docked at the bottom
[15:10] <rick_h__> but good stuff, this will help
[15:13] <rick_h__> jcastro_ smoser thinking of doing a charm school thing at the long CHC end of the month. smoser interested in helping out? jcastro_ is there material for this stuff I can bootstrap with?
[15:15] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yes, please.
[15:16] <snap-l> rick_h__: I want to be a master of Cloud City like Jorge Calrissian: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/jorge_calrissian.jpg
[15:17] <rick_h__> hah
[15:18] <Wolfger> charm school?
[15:19] <rick_h__> https://juju.ubuntu.com/CharmSchool
[15:25] <Wolfger> I'm still feeling lost... Hoping I didn't miss something obvious on that page, but: Charm School is about juju and writing charms? WTF is juju or charms, and why should I be interested in them?
[15:26] <brousch> Wolfger++
[15:26] <rick_h__> ever look at puppet or chef?
[15:26] <rick_h__> it's the ubuntu way of deploying/managing servers/services in the cloud
[15:26] <rick_h__> so the idea would be I could build charms that enable you to deploy an instance of bookie to ec2 as easy as apt-get install bookie
[15:27] <brousch> nice
[15:27] <rick_h__> but I need to figure out how to write charms/do allthis
[15:27] <rick_h__> and figured if I need to learn, might as well sucker smoser into helping and make it a more class-like thing
[15:28] <Wolfger> OK, getting clearer. Heard of puppet, but not chef. Didn't really get what puppet was about, either. Maybe I should show up and learn something :-p
[15:28] <Wolfger> +1 on suckering smoser
[15:28] <brousch> it's the cloud!
[15:28] <rick_h__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdgsrBCWFis
[15:29] <rick_h__> haven't seen that yet, but bet it's useful to some extent
[15:29] <Wolfger> Will watch later. Video sites are blocked by our wretched firewall.
[15:29] <brousch> reqonk is not fit for use
[15:30] <rick_h__> lol
[15:30] <brousch> randomly gives me page source instead of the page, offers to dowload the page for me instead of rendering it
[15:32] <Wolfger> Huh. I have not seen that issue.
[15:32] <Wolfger> Kind of bizarre.
[15:33] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot12.png
[15:35] <brousch> i have to close the tab then reopen the page to fix it
[15:38] <brousch> the bookie bookmarklet works in reqonk
[15:38] <rick_h__> brousch: awesome!
[15:44] <brousch> why i love ubuntu: sudo apt-get install python2.5 python2.6 python2.7 python3.1 python3.2 python-distribute-deadsnakes python2.5-dev python2.6-dev python2.7-dev python3.1-dev python3.2-dev
[15:44] <brousch> that would take a day to do in windows
[15:48] <Wolfger> :-)
[17:01] <tjagoda> Thats a lot of compatibility testing?
[17:11] <brousch> well different places i deploy have different python versions, so i need most of them
[17:11] <brousch> dreamhost: py2.5, google app engine: py2.7, work servers: py2.7 and py3.2
[17:12] <snap-l> brousch: Is this all internal?
[17:12] <snap-l> ye gads
[17:13] <brousch> generally i only need one version for each project, so it's not a big deal
[17:13] <brousch> not like i have to ensure the same project runs all those versions
[17:19] <Wolfger> SFBC keeps sending me "come back" e-mails. I think I will write them a polite letter informing them that I'm a Kindle owner now and will never again have the desire to collect more dead trees than I already own, so please stop e-mailing me until they are at least current with technology (should anything Sci-Fi related be on the cutting edge?)
[17:19] <Wolfger> s/should/shouldn't/
[17:22]  * Wolfger considers pinging rick_h__ to see if he's sticking to his pledge to stay away from the computer all afternoon... :-)
[17:22] <rick_h__> lol, I just sat down to share pics, sec
[17:22] <rick_h__> greg-g: https://plus.google.com/116120911388966791792/posts/abf8ydEiYiK
[17:23] <rick_h__> now I need some shoes!
[17:27] <tjagoda> Rick_H has an MLK day vacation?
[17:27] <tjagoda> This guy works bankers hours!
[17:31] <snap-l> rick_h__: Awesome. :)
[17:33] <Wolfger> My MLK day is an unpaid holiday, so I elected to come in and work. Nice, peaceful, quiet.
[17:35] <rick_h__> ok, so now I either go to the gym, or bundle up and try to do a ride with the bike
[17:35] <rick_h__> hmmmm...snow on the ground...but but but
[17:36] <tjagoda> I need to learn some Ninja coding skills so that I can get these interesting work from home jobs.
[17:37] <rick_h__> I'll send you my amazon/oreilly book list and give you a head start saving you some time finding the right ones :)
[17:37] <Wolfger> rick_h__: fresh air ftw
[17:38] <rick_h__> Wolfger: yea, I did a quick spin around the block and getting tempted to just try to ride and if I get wet...well I'm going to show anyway
[17:38] <rick_h__> heh, and then he runs away
[17:42] <tjagoda> rich_h: thats trevor.jagoda@gmail.com =(
[18:09] <greg-g> rick_h__: awesome! :)
[18:41] <rick_h__> wow, ok that was a brisk ride
[18:57] <snap-l> I think I just figured out why $LASTJOB was suck a clusterbleep
[18:58] <snap-l> Apparently I have to call ADP to sort out anything with PAyrool
[18:58] <snap-l> Payroll, even
[18:58] <brousch> what's wrong with my web site?
[18:58] <brousch> http://www.clusterbleep.net
[18:58] <snap-l> Even the HR helpdesk can't do anything until I contact them
[19:02] <rick_h__> brousch: ?
[19:04] <brousch> snap-l: mentioned clusterbleep
[19:04] <rick_h__> ah, gotcha
[19:06] <krondor> brousch:  you mean the redirect to /blog?
[19:07] <brousch> no, i was just being a dork
[19:18] <snap-l> and I was ignoring him. :)
[19:18] <snap-l> Thanks for not doing likewise. ;)
[19:18] <Wolfger> I was going to toss snap-l a s/suck/such/ but then I decided that "suck a clusterbleep" is probably just fine.
[19:20] <Wolfger> Kind of like "suck and elf".
[19:20] <Wolfger> ugh. "suck an elf" I mean
[19:21] <Wolfger> I hate it when I'm picking on somebody else's typos, and then I screw up myself. :-p
[19:22] <brousch> Wolfger: is there something like gvim for kde?
[19:22] <brousch> i don't see kvim
[19:23] <Wolfger> It's called "open Konsole and run vim you lazy bastard"
[19:23] <Wolfger> I have no idea, actually. I don't even run gvim or any other front end for vim
[19:24] <brousch> ok
[19:25] <snap-l> brousch: I'd ask why you're having trouble running just gvim
[19:26] <brousch> trying to avoid gtk
[19:26] <Wolfger> snap-l: death to gtk
[19:26] <snap-l> Good luck with that
[19:26] <brousch> i'll just run pydev as usual
[19:27] <brousch> it's about as light as gvim
[19:27] <snap-l> You'll come to a point when you'll have to run gtk+
[19:27] <Wolfger> brousch: I actually like to use the yakuake terminal, keep vim or whatever I'm doing in the console open there.
[19:27] <snap-l> Much like any audio editing tool I run requires either WX or QT
[19:27] <brousch> i'm sorry. i don't use programs whose name i cannot pronounce
[19:28] <Wolfger> you can't pronounce "yah-quake"?
[19:28] <snap-l> Not without thinking NC-17 thoughts
[19:28] <brousch> choqok is right out
[19:29] <Wolfger> yakuake is "yet another quake terminal", spelling quake with a K, of course...
[19:29] <snap-l> KDE: the "hope you have Safe Search Enabled" Operating Environment
[19:29] <Wolfger> because a KDE app that doesn't begin with K is blasphemy to some people :-p :-P :-p
[19:30] <snap-l> Wolfger: Have fun with kut and paste
[19:30] <brousch> watching jjesse try to pronounce choqok was the highlight of WMLUG in 2009
[19:30] <Wolfger> choke-ok
[19:30] <jjesse> it was epic wasn't it :)
[19:50] <snap-l> cho-kok
[19:51] <brousch> don't make me get the soap
[20:39] <brousch> Wolfger: for me reqonk was running about 200-400MB lighter than Chrome, but i had to kill it because it locked up. i think it was flash that was the lockup problem
[20:53] <snap-l> I swear, KDE doesn't sound like a desktop environment, as much as the cast of extras to Fraggle Rock or some other kids program.
[20:53] <snap-l> Or Pokemon
[20:53] <snap-l> I unleash my choqok to battle your reqonk
[20:53] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: well, Gnome sounds like those things sitting in my garden.
[20:53] <devinheitmueller> (or also on a kids program)
[20:54] <snap-l> empathy and telepathy are hardly chokok
[20:54] <snap-l> or gwibber
[20:54] <devinheitmueller> fair enough.
[20:55] <snap-l> gwibber sounds like what an elder-one in HP Lovecraft stories might make people do when they see it
[20:56] <snap-l> choqok sounds like what someone might do to tentacle-porn
[20:57] <snap-l> It was bad enough with konqueror, but rekonq is just out in left-field
[21:05] <brousch> oh come on. we were just talking about juju and charms and boobyooooohs
[21:13] <snap-l> Maybe you were talking about boobyooooohs... ;)
[21:14] <brousch> speaking boobyooooooohs
[21:14] <brousch> nixternal: we are all converting to kubuntu
[21:19] <nixternal> brousch: why would you do such a thing?
[21:19] <brousch> because it is the most awesome
[21:20] <nixternal> once toned down with some stuff disabled, it isn't to bad
[21:21] <brousch> i think all i disabled was strigi and desktop effects
[21:23] <nixternal> nepomuk is another good one to disable if you don't use all that search crap
[21:23] <nixternal> i use the cli for pretty much everything, so i don't need to use a gui app like dolphin to tag and star crap
[21:23] <brousch> dolphin is nice
[21:24] <fifo> err
[21:43] <krondor> nixternal:  you can use strigi from cli with strigicmd though :) plus I love krunner so its hard to think of disabling that :)
[21:46] <nixternal> i use krunner when i use kde/kubuntu but i only use it to launch an app
[21:46] <nixternal> seems the only apps i launch though are eclipse, kmahjongg, and chrome
[22:01] <snap-l> kmahjongg? :)