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CrownWheelXubuntu channel, I've just had the filesystem on my 3rd Live "install" start to die on me.01:34
CrownWheeloutput from sudo df is:01:35
CrownWheeldf: cannot read table of mounted file systems: Input/output error01:35
CrownWheells -ls of /etc shows corrupted permissions for mtab:01:35
CrownWheel-????????? ? ?    ?          ?                ? mtab01:36
CrownWheelsimilar corruption affects ~/.gvfs01:36
CrownWheeland ~/.bash-history01:36
CrownWheel`sudo umount .gvfs` restores permissions to ~/.gvfs but not .bash-history or mtab.01:38
CrownWheelAs far as I've observed, this is the first symptom of a dying filesystem.  A couple more boot cycles and the Live distribution will fail, throwing dozens of  "ext2-fs deleted inode" type errors at boottime.01:39
CrownWheelso, what uses GVFS?  How can I disable it?  It seems to be doing vastly more harm than good.01:40
TVasEyesall the auto-mount stuff uses gvfs.  beyond that, don't know.01:43
CrownWheelauto mount...as in auto-mounting USB drive filesystems?01:44
TVasEyesyes.01:44
CrownWheelokay.  so if I manage to kill GVFS, I'll have to mount those manually.01:44
CrownWheelI'm not clear on how the Live USB drive does it.  it runs a filessytem in a "casper-rw" file.  But nothing I've read about the casper system relates to GVFS.01:45
TVasEyesdon't know about casper either, gvfs is involved with auto-mounted usb, cds and dvds.  presumably, there's much more to it though.01:47
CrownWheela'ight.  I'm going to reboot this thing and see how quickly it self-destructs.01:48
TVasEyes:)01:48
CrownWheelAnd, yes.  This Live install is on its way out.02:03
CrownWheelGVFS corruption is back. mtab corruption persists across shutdown/restart cycle.02:03
CrownWheelW.T.F.?02:04
TVasEyesCrownWheel: what kind og 'puter are you using?02:12
TVasEyess/og/of/02:12
sp4zhi my pc is failing to load it appears to hand on the stopping mount network filesystems during boot(although this does get an ok next to it) any ideas?05:30
sp4zs/hand w/hang05:31
sp4zi can still access the other tty's etc so its not frozen just will not load past that point05:32
suddenmovesMorning :)08:18
NQTropicevening08:18
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Alangah, why does xfce4-screenshooter use zimagez and not imgur?10:59
TheSheep_Alan: because you didn't write the code making it do so11:13
AlanTheSheep_: well obviously :(11:13
TheSheep_you can change that!11:15
Alanseems like somebody else already has, but it's not changed upstream11:16
Alanin which case, what is the point?11:16
Alandoomed to forever maintain local versions of applications...11:16
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timhurdHi guys, I have a problem with audio and video playback being very choppy on a fresh install of Xubuntu 11.10. Hopefully someone could help me out with this11:41
olbihello13:06
olbiI have found big problems in Xubuntu13:06
olbiit is owner problem of /home/owner/.local/share and all of these directories, after some installations, it sets owner too root13:07
olbiI will check this some times yet and type this here13:08
slakcphilI have got to say. Xubuntu 11.10 is the stizzuff!13:45
slakcphilI was on a distro hop for my Toshiba Laptop and It was looking grim, then along comes xubuntu with no unity detected all my network cards and the installer was cool, i am stick with the xu13:47
GridCube;D13:51
slakcphilhmm, kernel not detecting all of my ram.. I have one 2gb stick and here is my /proc/meminfo ==>  http://pastebin.com/kNs1RFRU14:36
slakcphili am running 11.10 64bit14:37
holsteinslakcphil: is it a laptop?14:37
holsteina toshiba satellite i suppose?14:38
slakcphilyes it is, a toshiba satellite C655D14:38
holsteinslakcphil: how much is shared with your graphics?14:38
slakcphilhmm, that i don't know14:38
holsteinthat sounds normal assuming a bit is shared with the graphics card14:38
slakcphilok that could be, i just remember in scientific linux that there was a bug and it was saying 256 uncacheable14:39
holsteinslakcphil: this looks normal to me14:40
slakcphileven in htop it shows that total avail memory is at 1603mb14:41
holsteinslakcphil: right14:41
GridCubethat sounds about right14:41
holsteinslakcphil: if its shared with the graphics card, it wont show there...14:42
slakcphilah ok, well How much does the graphics card need? I am running the fglrx driver..14:42
holsteinslakcphil: thats up to you... i say set it low, and bump it up as needed14:42
slakcphilbump it up?14:43
slakcphillike add more?14:43
holsteinof course, why do you need more than 1.6GB's in the system14:43
slakcphilyeah i found another 2gb stick for cheap14:43
holsteinbump it up = slakcphil: increase the ammount of ram the graphics card is alloted14:43
holsteinslakcphil: thats not what i mean, though thats fine as well, assuming you want/need more memory14:44
slakcphilhow do i go about doing that? in catalyst control14:44
holsteinslakcphil: in the bios typically14:44
slakcphilah ok14:44
holsteinand all those are different on a per machine basis14:44
holsteini literally wouldnt bother with it14:44
slakcphilyeah i probably wont,14:45
holsteinyou can look in there if you want to see for yourself that this is not a kernel bug, and that the graphics card is indeed sharing memory14:45
slakcphili did disable my touchpad in the bios and still get weird errors in syslog..14:45
holsteinslakcphil: i say, choose your battles... if you would like to enable the touchpad, and troubleshoot it or whatever...14:46
slakcphilhttp://pastebin.com/bYkbgxLJ14:46
slakcphilyeah that is what shows up in syslog, i can't enable the touchpad because it is so annoying..14:46
holsteinslakcphil: what was the issue? what settings did you change? have you tried live CD's? such as 10.04, and the upcoming 12.04 in particular?...14:47
slakcphilwith the touchpad? it is physically annoying, it sits flush with the palm rest and when typing drags and clicks and all that stuff14:48
holsteinhttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/toshiba-satellite-c655d-s5210-freezes-under-kubuntu-and-linux-mint-892628/ suggests acpi=off14:49
slakcphilunless xubuntu has the ability to disable the touchpad's tap to click feature..14:49
holsteinhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=146975414:50
slakcphilrtl8192c: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin <== i have been getting this in syslog about once every minute..14:51
slakcphillet me check those out real quick..14:51
holsteinslakcphil: you'll get messages there... not all are messages to bother with14:51
slakcphil:)14:51
slakcphilooh thanks for the touchpad link14:51
slakcphilthx, holstein14:52
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pertutatishi15:48
pertutatisanyone know how to enable thumbnails on the desktop?15:48
autifMenu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Desktop -> Icons?15:53
pertutatisi dont see where to enable it15:54
pertutatisthere15:54
hobgoblinpertutatis: thumbnails of what exactly ?15:55
pertutatisthumbnails to see what picture I am opening for example15:56
pertutatisI cant find the option... its weird dont you think?15:58
Eidel_Does anyone know how to get ALT+F2 to use /usr/bin as autocompleter?15:59
hobgoblinpertutatis: I don't find it weird but then when I was using gnome I didn't want that behaviour - not sure you can do that - but I've only been using xfce for 9 moths16:01
pertutatissorry, maybe weird is not the word...16:01
pertutatisi installed a package to have video thumbnails but cant see on the desktop16:02
hobgoblinpertutatis: I understand what you want - not sure how to accomplish it though :)16:02
pertutatisthanks you all anyway ;)16:02
hobgoblinstill looking ;)16:03
pertutatisoh ok;)16:03
hobgoblinpertutatis: all I can see is that you need to ensure you have tumbler-plugins-extra installed16:05
hobgoblincheck that16:05
pertutatislet me see16:05
pertutatisyes, installed16:06
hobgoblinpertutatis: maybe xfce4-goodies - but I am just guessing - hang about and see if someone else knows more perhaps :)16:16
GridCubepertutatis, what do you want to do exactly?16:19
hobgoblinGridCube: have actual thumbnails of things on Desktop I think - or that's how I read it16:21
GridCubesomething like screenlets?16:23
hobgoblinpossibly - from memory gnome showed a sort of pic of what it is - perhaps that is what it is - best waith for pertutatis perhaps - I could just be making it worse :)16:25
pertutatissorry Im back here16:27
pertutatiswhat I want is the same that you see when you open the Images folder, for example, that thumbnails of every picture16:28
csenger41hello16:39
csenger41mongy: are you here?16:39
csenger41or anyone who could help me configuring Compiz?16:40
bazhangusing ccsm ?16:44
csenger41bazhang: yup16:46
bazhangcsenger41, configuring what exactly16:46
csenger41i am able to start in but the window management buttons disappear16:47
csenger41I start it with the command "compiz --replace"16:47
bazhangcompizconfig-settings-manager installed ?16:47
csenger41yes16:47
bazhangtried a different theme?16:48
csenger41I have NO theme16:48
csenger41thats my problem16:48
csenger41any suggestion?16:53
hobgoblincsenger41: do not all the things that mongy and ochosi worked through work today?16:54
csenger41hobgoblin: yes, but after a restart my window buttons were gone :(16:54
hobgoblincsenger41: so you are just trying to make it permanent?16:56
hobgoblinor does it not work at all now?16:56
csenger41yup16:58
hobgoblinsorry - gtg16:59
bazhangcsenger41, you might wish to ask in #compiz as well17:05
csenger41bazhang: is it on freenode as well?17:14
bazhangcsenger41, yep. /join #compiz17:15
csenger41compiz channel is empty :(17:20
bazhang53 people by my count17:20
csenger41but none of them is empt17:21
csenger41*active lol17:21
bazhangwell be patient. they will get you sorted when they arrive17:21
TheSheeppeople have lives besides helping on irc17:21
TheSheepbut they do read the backlog, so stay around17:22
csenger41i will as far as I'm awake17:23
csenger41damn i g2g17:38
csenger41I hope some day I'll find an active person who can help me :)17:38
csenger41bye17:38
pjotI tried asking in the main #ubuntu channel, but maybe this one is more appropriate. I can't get past the step where I'm supposed to enter my username and password while installing Xubuntu 11.10 because it doesn't recognize my DiNovo Edge bluetooth keyboard. Any suggestions?17:50
GridCubemmm17:50
GridCubeyou can't get another kb?17:50
pjotI don't have a wired one at home, no17:51
GridCubeare you using the alternate or the live?17:51
pjotThe live. Is the alternative better suited for this?17:51
GridCubei don't know, wont harm to trie17:51
GridCubedoes your computer has an integrated bt device or its an usb dongle?17:52
pjotIt's a dongle, but the weird thing is that the keyboard worked in the first step when you select the language17:53
GridCubeyes17:53
GridCubetry to remove the usb and connect it again17:53
pjotThen I left it for a while, it could've rebooted or something, and now I can't make it connect17:53
pjotMm, I've tried that, in all ports17:53
GridCubemmhm17:53
pjotThere was an issue just like this on regular Ubuntu, I had to edit a config file to make it work then17:54
pjotCan't really do that mid-install though :P17:54
GridCube:P17:54
GridCubewhy not?17:55
Mikael___Hi, I have Xubuntu 11.10 running with XFCE 4.8. I have internal audio and two HDMI outputs. No matter what I did, I could not change the audio output to HDMI to my TV, even with gstreamer-properties, until I disabled my onboard audio through my bios. I turned it on again when I wanted audio back to the onboard audio, but it seems to be stuck on HDMI. No matter what I change my settsings to through xfce4-mixer or gstreamer-properties, it has n17:55
Mikael___o effect. Please help? Is there a way to "reset" audio settings?17:55
pjotI only have a single window on the screen, and it has text fields for username etc :P17:55
Mikael___Seems to be an issue with Xubuntu, since I had no problems of this sort in Ubuntu17:56
GridCubepjot, you can ctrl-alt-f[1-6] to a tty and edit there :D17:57
GridCubeMikael___, tried using pavucontrol?17:58
pjotWell yeaaaah. I could if I had a keyboard :P17:58
GridCubeXD17:58
GridCubecorrect pjot17:58
Mikael___GridCube, no, I have never heard of it. I will check it out.17:58
GridCube:) Mikael___17:58
pjotEditing that config file before without the keyboard was tricky enough17:58
GridCubepjot, does your mouse works?17:59
pjotYeps17:59
GridCubethen use the onscreen kb17:59
GridCube:D17:59
Mikael___GridCube, hours of googling and this fixed it! Thanks a bunch! I can even change on the fly...So easy now :)17:59
GridCubeMikael___, :D awesome17:59
pjotHow do I do that during the install?18:00
Da|Mummyhow do i get out of read only filesystem?18:00
pjotThe onscreen keyboard was how I logged in before18:00
Mikael___Thank you for the help! Goodbye! :)18:00
pjotCan't see find one in the Xubuntu install though18:00
pjot-see18:00
pjotThere are a bunch of weird Input methods when I right-click a field, but no on-screen keyboard :(18:01
GridCubeon >accesories18:03
GridCubeyou should have "onboard"18:03
pjotThere's no Accessories during my install :P18:04
GridCubeoookay18:04
pjotI don't have anything but a single window on a black background :(18:04
GridCubeoooo18:04
GridCubebecause you started the installation directly18:04
GridCubenot the live cd18:04
pjotYea18:05
GridCubeand then the installation18:05
GridCubeyou do that instead18:05
GridCube:D18:05
GridCubeit will, probably, fix this problem18:05
pjotIt's worth a try!18:05
GridCubebecause all the drivers will load and you can use blueman18:05
pjotI wonder if I've screwed up my partitions already though :>18:06
GridCubeyou can fix that18:06
pjotYea18:06
pjotIt's a minor annoyance though ;)18:06
GridCube:P18:06
GridCubenot if gets things done18:06
pjotPressing that hard reboot button feels like hurting the computer18:06
pjotOkay, booting up the live CD now18:07
Mikael____GridCube, hello again! When using pauvcontrol, i can select the audio input for applications running. is it possible to do a system wide default? When I run a new app, I have to select the output again through pauvcontrol18:08
GridCubemmm, i don't know Mikael____ let me check18:08
Mikael____GridCube, even thought I have pulseaudio with internal analog stereo selected through gstreamer-properties and xfce4-mixer, it defaults to HDMI for new apps.18:09
Mikael____GridCube, using those two (xfce4-mixer and gstreamer-properties) seemed to have no effect at all on the device output selection though18:09
GridCubeyes i see that18:10
GridCubeand no18:10
GridCubei don't know how you could default it18:10
GridCubesorry :(18:10
Mikael____It's weird, because it's defaulted itself to HDMI and even though I select the default output device, it refuses to accept it.18:10
Mikael____Np18:10
Mikael____Must be a Xubuntu bug though, because AFAIK the base is the same as ubuntu (pulseaudiostuff anyway) and I didn't have these problems in Ubuntu18:11
GridCubedon't know18:12
pjotMan, this feels like asking for trouble18:12
Mikael____Perhaps if I disable my second screencard and reboot, then enable it again18:12
GridCubelet me do some research18:12
pjotInstalling an OS using the on-screen keyboard, that is :P18:12
GridCube:P well18:12
Mikael____(Because disabling the onboard audio thru the bios worked to get HDMI audio working, perhaps by doing the oposite will work)18:12
GridCubepjot, doesnt blueman let you reconnect to your kb?18:14
pjotDunno yet. I started the install already so it's not so responsive :P18:15
GridCube:P18:16
GridCubeyou can also do the editings you talked earlier18:16
pjotI wish the settings wouldn't be wrong to begin with ;)18:18
pjotI think the system needs a reboot after changing them, so it's not really an option when I've booted off the CD18:18
Mikael_____Just came back to say that after I disabled HDMI and re-enabled it, it now defaults to internal audio :) Thanks for all the help18:19
Mikael_____I find it hard to believe I'm the only one that have this problem though :x18:19
SebastienHey, i did a home server with my laptop, but... it goes in sleep mode after about 30 minutes. how can i prevent this ? putty connections are killed when it happens...18:19
GridCubeMikael_____, :P people might find about pavucontrol earlier than you :P18:21
xubuntu789hi18:21
GridCubeSebastien, on adminstration go to energy administration18:21
Mikael_____Ah, yes perhaps I didn't search right, but googling for xubuntu 11.10 xfce fglrx hdmi audio stuck and other search algorithms didn't provide results giving me info about pavucontrol.18:21
GridCube!hi | xubuntu78918:22
ubottuxubuntu789: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!18:22
Mikael_____But you were here to help :)18:22
xubuntu789is only english langauge?18:22
GridCubexubuntu713, yes, what its yours?18:22
xubuntu789italian18:24
GridCube!it18:24
ubottuVai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)18:24
GridCube:)18:24
xubuntu789Grazie thanksa18:24
GridCubebut if you know english you can always ask here18:24
xubuntu789Grazie thanks18:24
xubuntu789not well18:25
xubuntu789grazie ubottu18:25
pjotUm, while I'm here, what's the major differences of a Xubuntu session and a regular Xfce session when logging in?18:25
GridCubepjot, no pretty theme, no other default programs18:26
GridCubeno default xubuntu config files, etc18:26
pjotOkay, so if I just spent half a day customizing the Xubuntu theme and panel setup etc on my laptop, I could just as well use the regular Xfce session?18:27
Mikael_____I prefer XFCE over anything, personally. Looks pretty good too.18:27
GridCubepjot, the xubuntu session contains xubuntu config files, those are pretty important for xubuntu per sé18:28
GridCubeif you dont use the xubuntu session you will be using ubuntu with xfce18:28
GridCubethe order of things on the main menu will be different, entries will change, etc18:29
pjotOkay. Well I just rebooted the computer after completing the install and that's not really an issue now :P18:30
pjotI now have the Xfce login screen without keyboard but also with a mouse (wired) that won't click, but it moves18:30
pjotI had the keyboard connected a few times during bootup though18:31
GridCubeunplug and replug the usb till it works18:31
GridCube:P18:32
pjotYea, that's my general approach :)18:32
pjotNot a very successful approach though18:33
GridCubei don't know of other18:34
pjotMe neither :(18:34
GridCubeyou should get a standard kb :P18:34
pjotHaha18:34
pjotYes18:34
pjotI really should18:34
pjotI've tried Mint too, but it of course suffers from the same issues as recent Ubuntu editions18:35
pjotMaybe Debian still uses Gnome 2? :P18:35
GridCubei don't think so18:36
GridCubethey created g318:36
pjotGood point18:36
pjotDamnit, Mint doesn't have an on-sceen keyboard at the login screen. My computer is now completely unaccessable18:39
TheSheeppjot: ---> #mint18:39
pjotYea18:39
pjotSorry18:39
TheSheeppjot: no, no, you just will get better support there18:40
pjotIs that really their channel? It's practically empty18:40
pjotAh, they're on another network18:41
GridCube:P well you should keep trying xubuntu then18:41
GridCube:P18:41
TheSheeplooks like it18:41
genii-around!mint18:41
ubottuLinux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org18:41
pjot:)18:42
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Marzatawhere is my vol. control?19:25
GridCubealsamixer or pavucontrol19:26
iew76Hi, I want to reset my xubuntu theme back to default because something got screwed up, would removing xfce4 subfolders & files fix this or is there a better way?19:37
iew76anyone?19:47
Marzataiew76: set a new user with the same username19:49
Marzataiew76: move the files, change the username, delete old user. very simple.19:49
puphairzWhat's the smallest footprint for xubuntu installed to hdd ?19:50
TheSheepiew76: create a new user maybe?19:51
iew76why would I want to create a user just to reset my theme19:51
iew76I don't really understand the logic behind that, wouldn't it be much more straight forward to have a reset script19:52
iew76or something similaar19:52
Marzataiew76: script of?19:52
TheSheepiew76: why would you want to reset your theme?19:52
iew76TheSheep: in case you have done something you are not happy with or in my case: your theme got screwed up19:52
TheSheepiew76: you can always undo that19:53
Marzatamaya scripts?19:53
iew76reason why I'm asking is because I don't have the upper bar of my windows anymore, which means I cant drag them around anymore ... no clue on how to fix that19:53
Marzataadd a bar?19:54
GridCubeiew76, alt-f2 and write >xfwm4 --restart19:54
GridCubeamh19:55
GridCubexfwm4 --replacer19:55
GridCubexfwm4 --replace19:55
GridCubethat19:55
iew76GridCube: xfwm4 --replace did it!19:57
GridCube:D19:58
GridCubeit should19:58
SebastienGridCube where is located the admin options20:27
Sebastieni don't really use the GUI the screen on the lappy is doomed for death20:27
Sebastienusually i use the terminal20:27
Sebastienbut now i plugged a screen on it to setup this problem ...20:28
SebastienFor those who didn't see my question: --> Hey, i did a home server with my laptop, but... it goes in sleep mode after about 30 minutes. how can i prevent this ? putty connections are killed when it happens...20:29
likemindeadThis help, Sebastien? >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=161167420:34
likemindeadMake sure all power management settings are where you'd like them in the BIOS too.20:35
likemindeadMore: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man5/hibernate.conf.5.html20:36
Sebastieni don't want to be redirected to treads not answering my question20:36
Sebastienhence why i came on irc20:36
Sebastienits really easy to point to forum treads, but live help is always better.20:37
* Sebastien hates the "rtfm" kind of persons.20:37
likemindeadMaybe OS X is more your speed, then...20:39
Sebastienwow20:39
likemindeadI don't know the exact answer to your question, just trying to help point you in the right direction.20:40
likemindeadI'm a non-technical end user.20:40
Sebastieni'm trying to make a home server out of my free 4tb available, but it seems to fukup all the time, and i don't see the "administration" options...20:41
GridCubeSebastien, xfce4-settings-manager20:42
holsteinSebastien: thats odd20:42
holsteinis that a server install?20:43
holsteinmaybe its something with the hardware20:43
likemindeadHave you checked the BIOS settings?20:43
holsteinif you change the settings in the GUI with a screen plugged in.. thats about all i know20:43
holsteini would install a server install on there anyways...20:43
GridCubethe option you want is xfce4-power-manager-settings Sebastien20:43
xPofHi, I' m having issues with my dual screen setup. After having tweaked my xorg.conf file a little (added Xinerama On) I am now stuck with my Display settings, getting the error: "Unable to query the version of the RandR extension being used", I searched for a solution but I couldn't find it. Could anyone tell me how to fix this?21:02
holsteini always  have luck with arandr21:03
holsteinnot sure if that'll help you though21:03
xPofnope, won't work21:03
holsteinwhats the error?21:03
xPofas it is based on randr21:03
holsteinxPof: have you tried it then?21:04
xPofaye21:04
holsteinwhats hardware?21:04
holsteinati?21:04
xPofATI yep :p21:04
holsteinwhich driver?21:04
xPoferm, the one you have to create a .deb from21:04
xPofthe one you can download on their site, 64bit one21:05
holsteindidnt work with the open one?21:05
xPofI never tried :P, I wanted to have the official one for once, to see how that one works21:05
xPofanyway, the cause of my issue is probably this: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0"21:06
xPofno clue on how to fix that though21:07
cYmenis there a way to mount partitions like with thunar with an ssh remote session?21:07
holsteincYmen: i use gigolo to do what i think you are looking for21:08
cYmenhm...maybe21:23
* cYmen can't figure out how it works.21:23
cYmenhm...no I don't think that's what I want. :)21:26
cYmenI want to mount something without the GUI and not with traditional mount commands.21:26
cYmenI want to mount it GUI compatibly but remotely. :)21:28
ArquiHello21:41
Arquiplease, anyone knows if it is possible to add tab browsing features to Thunar?21:44
knomeno, and that most probably won't be added later either. use an another file manager21:46
ArquiI tried Nautilus, but it made a problem with the desktop, the desktop became blue and all shortcuts dissapeared21:47
ArquiOk, thanks, goodbye21:53
=== `mOOse` is now known as m00se
MarzataThe xubuntu logo is a rat in a washing machine.23:35
GridCubeyep23:36
well_laid_lawnno it's a mouse in a dryer23:47

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